RDO Speculation & General Chat (Part II)

[Tez2]

1 hour ago, Commander S said:

 

 

...wait, is that an enhanced Rockstar Editor for RDR2, or for GTA VI? After all, the original Editor didn't get added to GTA V until the PC version, nearly two years after release (and then several more months to get added to the console versions).

Editor for RDR2. There are a ton of references within the files towards the Editor since release.

 

33 minutes ago, Nerfgoth said:

 

Hold on now..... So if they are picking up Red Dead again, then they must be done with GTA 6 soon?

 

@Commander S Maybe Red Dead is advanced or can handle the same editor as GTA 6 are going to have....?

Not soon. Gonna take a long time. 

 

Rockstar might pick it up once we are closer to GTA6 release. At which point, some parts of the team would have moved on from VI development and maybe go back to work on RDO.

Edited July 12, 2022 by Tez2

[Saiyam]

7 minutes ago, Tez2 said:

maybe go back to work on RDO.

Highly unlikely to happen as that’ll be way too late to save the game.. no one at that time will give a crap about rdo bc of VI

[StyxTx]

3 hours ago, Tez2 said:

Editor for RDR2. There are a ton of references within the files towards the Editor since release.

They have also had solo lobbies available all along and even now they are not opening them and all they have to do is turn them on. What may have been honestly planned years ago doesn’t mean they are still in the plan.

 

I don't believe anything R* says anymore. They promised a lot, talked about their plans for the future, even getting specific about some of those things, yet here we are. None of it came to be. I wouldn't give an ounce of spit to anything being said by R* or "insiders/sources".......about any game.

Edited July 12, 2022 by StyxTx

[videotechuk_]

5 hours ago, Tez2 said:

Just wanna say that I was going off the recent newswire announcement. A source clarified that it's not "cancelled or halted" and still planned. Just slowed down and likely to be picked up after VI.

 

@VideoTech Could you clarify this within your tweet? Thanks.

Apologies for the late reply, I’ve been working throughout the day and one of my followers told me about your tag. 

 

I will be sure to put out a Tweet to clarify, thanks so much for checking with your source to double check. 

[Nerfgoth]

4 minutes ago, Saiyam said:

Highly unlikely to happen as that’ll be way too late to save the game.. no one at that time will give a crap about rdo bc of VI

 

I do care.... But as you say no one will care mostly because R* are losing that little momentum there is!

[arisfelbonilla]

3 hours ago, Tez2 said:

Editor for RDR2. There are a ton of references within the files towards the Editor since release.

 

Not soon. Gonna take a long time. 

 

Rockstar might pick it up once we are closer to GTA6 release. At which point, some parts of the team would have moved on from VI development and maybe go back to work on RDO.

how strange they told me on twitter that they canceled it for gta 6 and that makes rockstar lazy for not patching their favorite game and that they will hate gta v for that reason

 

I'm seeing the one that starts with B 

 

god that's why R never communicates with the community
because it is more uninformed and toxic
they don't even deserve it

 

Edited July 12, 2022 by arisfelbonilla

[TheOriginalGunslinger]

Always wished the Rockstar Editor made it into Red Dead Redemption 2 sooner rather than later. There would be TONS of great videos people would make using it. Reacting iconic westerns scenes, wildlife, etc… the amount is endless with creative minds.

Edited July 12, 2022 by TheOriginalGunslinger

[Nerfgoth]

23 minutes ago, TheOriginalGunslinger said:

Always wished the Rockstar Editor made it into Red Dead Redemption 2 sooner rather than later. There would be TONS of great videos people would make using it. Reacting iconic westerns scenes, wildlife, etc… the amount is endless with creative minds.

 

Think about the photo community if there is a picture mode included..... They could sell e-motes for gold all day long! Why we don´t have any e-motes including guns is bizarre!

[Direwrath]

3 hours ago, TheOriginalGunslinger said:

Always wished the Rockstar Editor made it into Red Dead Redemption 2 sooner rather than later. There would be TONS of great videos people would make using it. Reacting iconic westerns scenes, wildlife, etc… the amount is endless with creative minds.

I'd be back playing more often if they did release it.

 

3 hours ago, Nerfgoth said:

Think about the photo community if there is a picture mode included..... They could sell e-motes for gold all day long! Why we don´t have any e-motes including guns is bizarre!

Emotes with a card deck would be awesome to see. Like having them shuffle the card deck or do neat tricks with the cards would definitely give a Gambler feel, as well as make for some great video/photo opportunities.

 

Also would be nice to get better idle stances and all, like Arthur has this cool thing where he grabs his belt and shifts his shoulders, and I would love to be able to get that action for my character when he's just standing there as well.

Another thing that I find frustrating is the female characters are not given enough "feminine" stuff. The girls need better everything, animations, feminine emotes, all of it. Sure they are much better off than the amazons that run rampant in GTAO, but I think that they can be given better options.

 

4 hours ago, arisfelbonilla said:

god that's why R never communicates with the community
because it is more uninformed and toxic
they don't even deserve it

That's called customer service and it's a crucial part of any business whether that business is a brick and mortar store, or a company that sells games for entertainment. 

 

[Sephivader]

19 hours ago, Tez2 said:

Editor for RDR2. There are a ton of references within the files towards the Editor since release.

 

Not soon. Gonna take a long time. 

 

Rockstar might pick it up once we are closer to GTA6 release. At which point, some parts of the team would have moved on from VI development and maybe go back to work on RDO.

 

I don't think they'll come back to make content for Red Dead Online after the release of GTA VI, especially if they sell GTA VI well or if they make a GTA Online for GTA VI.

 

Unfortunately for me they abandoned Red Dead Online once and for all, it's a shame because Red Dead Online for me had a lot of potential to be a very good game, but Rockstar didn't know how to take advantage of that and preferred to make easy and effortless money with GTA Online.

[Jabalous]

That's what I said a month ago, lol.

 

On 6/6/2022 at 12:19 AM, Jabalous said:

I don't play RDRO (last time I did was like 3 years ago), but honestly I believe it's dead, meaning that there will be no new substantial updates going forward. I always believed that this will happen before the launch of the game. R* can simply release a Western-themed GTAO update and it'd have a better return on investment. Red Dead is only good as a story game.

 

[Shrek Realista]

So long, partner.

 

It was a roller-coaster ride, but it was fun while last.

 

[Archangelsky]

23 hours ago, Tez2 said:

Just wanna say that I was going off the recent newswire announcement. A source clarified that it's not "cancelled or halted" and still planned. Just slowed down and likely to be picked up after VI.

 

I sure hope the same applies for a potential remake of RDR, and release on PC.

[Direwrath]

11 hours ago, Archangelsky said:

I sure hope the same applies for a potential remake of RDR, and release on PC.

An honest remake would be something, not the rehashed mumbo-jumbo that they released for the GTA games.

Edited July 14, 2022 by Direwrath
I don't English very well apparently lol

[Robin1996ify]

 

Y'all enjoy the funeral?
 

[maxon1196]

2 hours ago, Robin1996ify said:

 

Y'all enjoy the funeral?
 

Yes, we did that in Blackwater (screenshots taken by my buddy):
 

Spoiler

 

[AltiMetro]

Haven't posted here in a while, even though this is my favorite forum to talk about the game. I've moved on to other games. Haven't played RDO in a year. 

The recent announcement is like a band-aid being ripped off. It hurts. 
I can deal with a company making a decision to allocate resources to a specific project, like they seem to have done to support GTA6.

What I'm having a hard time dealing with is: 

 

A) Bad decisions by Rockstar. They screwed up the gold economy. They let us earn 10 gold/day with dailies, and at the same time did not create enough player requested, high quality, gold-only content. 
There was no drain on players' gold, and no incentive for new or poor players to buy gold. 

B) Being misled and lied to by Rockstar. If I look at all their interviews, and statements in Newswire announcements, they clearly painted a picture of a game with plenty of substantial, future updates. 
If I look at what they delivered, there's a huge gap. I can't explain that gap away by saying "Everyone knows that's just marketing talk". At a certain point you cross the threshold to false advertising, deceit, and lies. Rockstar crossed that line. 

C) With good decision making, and the right investments into resource / manpower allocation (why didn't they hire new devs?), I still believe they could have molded RDO into one of the more profitable games of all time. They would have gotten a real nice RoI. 

D) It's not hard to figure out what content players wanted, and still want. Rockstar either didn't listen, is incompetent, lost its touch, or a mix of all of these. 

In any case, I'm not holding my breath on what the future holds for the game. My cowboy is semi-retired, sitting on more than 2k gold and $300k. If R* releases good content in a year or two or three, I still have the option to hop back in the saddle. 
I won't come back for a new Telegram mission or Call-to-Arms map, though. 

[Archangelsky]

10 hours ago, Direwrath said:

An honest remake would be something, not the rehashed mumbo-jumbo that they released for the GTA games.

I would have been very surprised if a RDR 1 remake would be far away from RDR 2 in visual quality and performance.  Despite the launch issues and me back then playing on an older pc, I was very surprised on how well optimized the game was when it got past its initial hurdles. I also experienced very few bugs in single-player.

They obviously know how to handle RDR 2 (not RDO in terms of content) so I think they would have shown RDR 1 the same respect if they would have done it, or will do it in the future.

[roggek]

4 hours ago, AltiMetro said:

Haven't posted here in a while, even though this is my favorite forum to talk about the game. I've moved on to other games. Haven't played RDO in a year. 

The recent announcement is like a band-aid being ripped off. It hurts. 
I can deal with a company making a decision to allocate resources to a specific project, like they seem to have done to support GTA6.

What I'm having a hard time dealing with is: 

 

A) Bad decisions by Rockstar. They screwed up the gold economy. They let us earn 10 gold/day with dailies, and at the same time did not create enough player requested, high quality, gold-only content. 
There was no drain on players' gold, and no incentive for new or poor players to buy gold. 

B) Being misled and lied to by Rockstar. If I look at all their interviews, and statements in Newswire announcements, they clearly painted a picture of a game with plenty of substantial, future updates. 
If I look at what they delivered, there's a huge gap. I can't explain that gap away by saying "Everyone knows that's just marketing talk". At a certain point you cross the threshold to false advertising, deceit, and lies. Rockstar crossed that line. 

C) With good decision making, and the right investments into resource / manpower allocation (why didn't they hire new devs?), I still believe they could have molded RDO into one of the more profitable games of all time. They would have gotten a real nice RoI. 

D) It's not hard to figure out what content players wanted, and still want. Rockstar either didn't listen, is incompetent, lost its touch, or a mix of all of these. 

In any case, I'm not holding my breath on what the future holds for the game. My cowboy is semi-retired, sitting on more than 2k gold and $300k. If R* releases good content in a year or two or three, I still have the option to hop back in the saddle. 
I won't come back for a new Telegram mission or Call-to-Arms map, though. 

 

E) A 2 year Covid-19 pandemic, which probably took their toll and decimated some of the R* employees.
Surely R* isn't so big staffwise anymore. But nobody thinks about that...

Edited July 14, 2022 by roggek

[StyxTx]

2 hours ago, roggek said:

 

E) A 2 year Covid-19 pandemic, which probably took their toll and decimated some of the R* employees.
Surely R* isn't so big staffwise anymore. But nobody thinks about that...

In the meantime, other smaller developers continued to release frequent, quality content. I guess COVID didn't affect them since their smaller staffs didn't get decimated.

Edited July 14, 2022 by StyxTx

[Direwrath]

18 hours ago, Robin1996ify said:

Y'all enjoy the funeral?

I was there but nobody showed up. Only met up with 2 other players and one raced by me while the other one gave a quick greeting before they logged off.

Man I got all dressed up in black and everything. *shrugs*

 

11 hours ago, Archangelsky said:

I would have been very surprised if a RDR 1 remake would be far away from RDR 2 in visual quality and performance.  Despite the launch issues and me back then playing on an older pc, I was very surprised on how well optimized the game was when it got past its initial hurdles. I also experienced very few bugs in single-player.

They obviously know how to handle RDR 2 (not RDO in terms of content) so I think they would have shown RDR 1 the same respect if they would have done it, or will do it in the future.

I'd like to see RDR given the special treatment that RDR2 had, that and I honestly would love an Undead Nightmare remake. Could you imagine the graphics on that game and how cool it will look given the original already looks great?

Also, I would hope for a new game with Red Harlow. Revolver had so many cool caricatures of Old West types it would make a really neat game to see now. Especially if it is given more story.

[roggek]

9 hours ago, StyxTx said:

In the meantime, other smaller developers continued to release frequent, quality content. I guess COVID didn't affect them since their smaller staffs didn't get decimated.

 

Yes, the smaller developers released smaller content and struggled trough the pandemic. But there was backfires too...

[StyxTx]

2 hours ago, roggek said:

 

Yes, the smaller developers released smaller content and struggled trough the pandemic. But there was backfires too...

They admitted that for the past few years they have been pulling resources to focus on GTA6. That's why things were drying up with RDO. Had nothing to do with the pandemic. In fact, at one of their investor meetings they mentioned that the pandemic had not affected their work.

[D T]

Edited July 15, 2022 by D T

[AltiMetro]

On 7/12/2022 at 10:12 PM, Saiyam said:

Highly unlikely to happen as that’ll be way too late to save the game.. no one at that time will give a crap about rdo bc of VI

Your reaction was my first impulse as well. 
I can think of at least one example that shows it's possible to turn a negative trend around, though: No Man's Sky. 
It didn't start well, and has turned things around. Still going strong. Has received a ton of updates, and is now widely viewed as a success. 

If R* releases a nice sized, high quality update in the future, I am sure some players will come back to it. I know I'll come back. 
Is that enough to start building momentum and give the game a chance to grow into its own again? No idea. 

[AltiMetro]

7 hours ago, roggek said:

 

Yes, the smaller developers released smaller content and struggled trough the pandemic. But there was backfires too...

 @StyxTx already quoted Rockstar's statement regarding the Covid impact they felt - which was zero. IIRC, this was done during an investor call, so I don't take it at face value.

Can recommend giving this article a read, it's a nice summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_of_the_COVID-19_pandemic_on_the_video_game_industry

 

My takeaways are: 

A) yes, small and large developers were impacted by Covid. Some more, some less. 
B) no, R* wasn't impacted by Covid to the point that it explains what happened to RDO. Not even close.

[Direwrath]

12 hours ago, D T said:

Lol, it is indeed my first time.

And also my last, I learn quickly and realize now that I  probably should have done my research before I put any faith into R*.

 

7 hours ago, AltiMetro said:

If R* releases a nice sized, high quality update in the future, I am sure some players will come back to it. I know I'll come back. 
Is that enough to start building momentum and give the game a chance to grow into its own again? No idea. 

I'll be back, for sure. But they can just throw out any notion of me spending any real money into the game at this point, if I cannot trust them to offer me something tangible I will not, in good conscience give them any of my money.

I mean, how much from the players should they expect to receive in regards to their "throw away" game? 

[videotechuk_]

@Tez2 There's still ongoing activity on SteamDB, do you think they're working on security fixes? They mentioned they'd be adding improvements to the game later this year according to the newswire. I'd love to hear your thought on this!

 

[Spider-Vice]

All of the qabeta branch changes for RDR2/RDO are in the executables and core game files, so it's definitely either bug fixing or security.

[Nerfgoth]

9 minutes ago, Spider-Vice said:

All of the qabeta branch changes for RDR2/RDO are in the executables and core game files, so it's definitely either bug fixing or security.

 

Wasn´t Tez talking about sometime ago there was security fixes in the works?