Post your reasons for NOT wanting a Vice City setting

[kobeni]

On 7/3/2021 at 8:17 PM, Wayne Kerr said:

I feel DC + maybe Baltimore and the countryside of Maryland and Virginia

@Matsukine and @Big Fat Paulie are working on a concept set in that region so you could check that out.

[rjmthe2nd]

On 7/3/2021 at 5:27 AM, Gtaman_92 said:

 

Nope. You are very wrong.

 

DC (The capital of The United States and home of the US government)

 

Chicago (Third most populous city in America and a major hub for finance, culture and technology)

 

Boston (One of the most oldest cities in the country and a key setting for American history) 

 

The cities I just listed above are just as important as LA, NYC and Miami.

 

 

 

Ok. Now ask a random person in any other country what city would they want to visit in America. It'd be one of the three I listed. Just because they are economically important to the US doesn't mean it has worldwide popularity with the average person.

 

 

[Hayneiac]

I don't want Vice City because I want Rockstar to prove that they can take the series somewhere else. If we get Vice City in VI, is everyone gonna expect GTA 7 to be another reboot in a "4K Universe" Liberty City? 

But if we do get Vice City, I hope it includes most/the rest of Florida too. If they're gonna keep making their maps islands, Florida is perfect for that.

[DexMacLeod]

On 7/4/2021 at 12:13 AM, rjmthe2nd said:

Ok. Now ask a random person in any other country what city would they want to visit in America. It'd be one of the three I listed. Just because they are economically important to the US doesn't mean it has worldwide popularity with the average person.

Yeah, but if you offered those same people a trip to Chicago, or Dallas, or Minneapolis, or Baltimore for 70 bucks I bet they'd jump at the chance. Especially, if those people had already been to Miami before and had been to New York and L.A. twice.

 

Even if a city's global tourist appeal were important, there's no reason they couldn't branch out further than repeating the top 3-5 over and over again. Chicago, Washington, Boston, and Honolulu are also in the top ten places with the most foreign tourists. It's silly to think that America's international appeal begins and ends with three cities. 

[Gtaman_92]

On 7/4/2021 at 1:13 AM, rjmthe2nd said:

 

Ok. Now ask a random person in any other country what city would they want to visit in America. It'd be one of the three I listed. Just because they are economically important to the US doesn't mean it has worldwide popularity with the average person.

 

 

Once again, you don’t know what you are talking about. DC and Chicago are one of the most visited cities in the United States.  Even places like Atlanta, Philly and San Diego are among the most visited. 

Edited July 4, 2021 by Gtaman_92

[BabaFamilias]

On 7/4/2021 at 8:48 PM, Gtaman_92 said:

Once again, you don’t know what you are talking about. DC and Chicago are one of the most visited cities in the United States.  Nobody don’t even really go to Miami like that unless it’s to party or to visit the beaches.

 

Most of these tourist you are talking about are Chinese/Asian sightseers. They move from one sight to the other and only take pictures of buildings which they can also see on Google Pictures. Miami doesn't have these kind of sights. It's full of boats, restaurants, parties and beaches. So these tourist have to ACTUALLY PAY money and commitment to experience something. Believe me, most foreigners (especially young adults) would rather live their life in Miami than DC or Chicago. If you give them the money and a choice where to live, they will either choose LA, Miami or New York. 

 

If Rockstar chooses to recreate a new American city, I would prefer it to be something completely different than LA, Miami or New York, like for example: San Francisco, Las Vegas, Boston, Philadelphia, Maine or a city in Alaska or Virginia. Chicago reminds me too much of New York and Dallas looks kinda like LA. DC could work. 

[Zello]

On 7/4/2021 at 3:09 PM, BabaFamilias said:

 

Most of these tourist you are talking about are Chinese/Asian sightseers. They move from one sight to the other and only take pictures of buildings which they can also see on Google Pictures. Miami doesn't have these kind of sights. It's full of boats, restaurants, parties and beaches. So these tourist have to ACTUALLY PAY money and commitment to experience something. Believe me, most foreigners (especially young adults) would rather live their life in Miami than DC or Chicago. If you give them the money and a choice where to live, they will either choose LA, Miami or New York. 

 

[BabaFamilias]

On 7/4/2021 at 11:53 PM, Zello said:

 

 

I meant, giving someone a "retirement money" (so much money that they don't need to work anymore) and letting them choose where they would settle in the US. Obviously there will be some people who will choose something different, but knowing the people in my country, most of them would choose LA, Miami or NYC (or something near those big cities). 

 

I obviously don't know what Chicago really feels like, because I was never there. But looking at YouTube videos or googling pictures, it kinda resembles NYC and I am sure, most foreigners probably feel the same way, so I would rather have something very different. I can't wait for Rockstar to finally add all three big islands (San Andreas + SF and LV, Liberty City + cities like Boston or Philadelphia and Vice City + cities like Tampa or Orlando) into one map and then move on to something else. Maybe go for some countries outside of US for a change (aren't Rockstar from the UK? They should know, how to parody it or other European countries):

 

[DexMacLeod]

On 7/4/2021 at 5:36 PM, BabaFamilias said:

I meant, giving someone a "retirement money" (so much money that they don't need to work anymore) and letting them choose where they would settle in the US. Obviously there will be some people who will choose something different, but knowing the people in my country, most of them would choose LA, Miami or NYC (or something near those big cities). 

 

Is that really relevant, though? I don't imagine there's a lot of people playing GTA simply because it's set in a fictional version of one of the American cities they most want to retire in. 

[Zello]

On 7/4/2021 at 6:36 PM, BabaFamilias said:

I obviously don't know what Chicago really feels like, because I was never there. But looking at YouTube videos or googling pictures, it kinda resembles NYC and I am sure, most foreigners probably feel the same way, 

It's way different than NYC. It's the midwest so it's slower there the culture is completely different and not as fast paced like NYC meaning not everything is 24/7 that also influences the people as they tend to be a bit nicer.

 

Chicago is also way cheaper to live in compared to NYC.

 

It's a lot more greener don't be fooled by the skyscrapers it's not a big concrete jungle like NYC and they have beaches and a lot more suburbs

Edited July 5, 2021 by Zello

[Zello]

On 7/3/2021 at 12:09 AM, rjmthe2nd said:

but Atlanta? LOL no.

Hip hop, coca cola, and movies & tv, strip clubs lots and lots of strip clubs and probably more sh*t I'm forgetting

 

Atlanta has been the center of the hip hop world for years they kinda brought in a lot of the mumble rappers we hear today Gucci mane, Migos, Young thug etc. Also after LA and NYC Atlanta has been a very popular filming location for TV shows and movies I think more films are actually shot in Atlanta these days which has kinda brought it at odds with the conservative government in that state when they tried to pass a law all the filming companies were boycotting and threatening to move. Coca Cola is one of the most American brands in the world it's from Atlanta and it's headquarters are in Atlanta. Atlanta is sort of like the cultural capital of the southeast.

Edited July 5, 2021 by Zello

[ivarblaauw]

Why I do not want a Vice City setting?

A. to flat geography wise. No hills, no mountains. The map will be boring as f*ck. Could be fixed if they make a mix of the entire Gulf Coast + Bahama's, so we would see the islands having mountains and also swamps/bayous/everglades

B. Another Tropical setting? We got one for 8 years already damn...

C. It is the easy choice. It would be cool to see another region as a focus (North East, such as Maine, Massachusetts, etc.). Plus if they introduce seasons, the North East would be absolutely stunning during the Autumn. 

 

Come on, this would be so f*cking dope. You know it to be true

Edited July 5, 2021 by ivarblaauw

[The Tracker]

On 7/5/2021 at 10:08 AM, ivarblaauw said:

Why I do not want a Vice City setting?

A. to flat geography wise. No hills, no mountains. The map will be boring as f*ck. Could be fixed if they make a mix of the entire Gulf Coast + Bahama's, so we would see the islands having mountains and also swamps/bayous/everglades

B. Another Tropical setting? We got one for 8 years already damn...

 

Be quiet there.

Edited July 5, 2021 by The Tracker

[ivarblaauw]

On 7/5/2021 at 12:47 PM, The Tracker said:

 

Be quiet there.

So you are saying that an entire flat map would be fun? Of all places we can go to in the US of A... 

I wouldn't mind Vice City, but please for the love of anything alive, combine it with the mountains/hills of the Bahama's and Cuba. 

 

[Zello]

Bonuses of flat maps. You can go full speed in your supercars for long amounts of time not worrying about crashing or hitting anything. 

[The Tracker]

On 7/5/2021 at 12:55 PM, ivarblaauw said:

So you are saying that an entire flat map would be fun? Of all places we can go to in the US of A... 

I wouldn't mind Vice City, but please for the love of anything alive, combine it with the mountains/hills of the Bahama's and Cuba. 

 

 

Flat doesn't necessarily means "boring", look at GTA V's map, most of it was hills and mountains, and this ended up being an annoyance and an inconvenience, rather than something fun, it hurted the map more than favoring it. Having a flat map, ironically, would benefit the exploration even more, as it allows more room for deep and dense ecosystems where we can drive in and even get isolated in:

 

 

 

[ivarblaauw]

On 7/5/2021 at 1:14 PM, The Tracker said:

 

Flat doesn't necessarily means "boring", look at GTA V's map, most of it was hills and mountains, and this ended up being an annoyance and an inconvenience, rather than something fun, it hurted the map more than favoring it. Having a flat map, ironically, would benefit the exploration even more, as it allows more room for deep and dense ecosystems where we can drive in and even get isolated in:

 

 

while I agree with your statement about GTA V's map, a 50/50 balanced system as seen in RDRII would work best. 

So yeah, I would love some hills/mountains, as long as they used right. But please some ecosystems like the swamps, bayous, everglades and plantations would be dope as well.

A well balanced map is something we should wish for

[GTK0HLK]

flat, and mountains dont matter..,

its their usage..,

(but again theyre here to debate that when the topic is asking for their personal reasons, even if its abit brushing.., so lets not get too sharp now..,)

 

V had alot of issues with a lack of staying power when it comes to the norther area..,(but that necessarily isnt the topic.., and flat rural area if it isnt used well is the same thing.., like an artificial forest..,) so lets leave that there before it builds up into something..,(aka speaking of its geographic variability wont lead anywhere if its just to prove or disprove)

 

what would be largely different is the latitude and how its location being more internal/rural vs external/worldwide is..,

in terms of how it affects npc interaction(like another user mentioned) as well as culture..,

whilst npcs in the more used(3), and known will have more common base characteristics from their worldwide accessible locations, with their local adittions..,

Spoiler

in short, the big 3 locations while different in their actual locations, share large similarities in their npcs due to their worldwide nature, but not wholly due to there local diversity.

 

but that continuos back to back worldwide left it open for a more enclosed location, yet northern(-yet maybe still temperate-) instead of a warmer(-and very humid-) south we have had with V,

become a very prominent option asides npc diversity and etc that a portion want, despite not being the vocal majority..,

 

which is part of why i also believe it has the potential to be refreshing for the game..,(period or modern aside..,)

 

[ill mention other reasons at another time..,]

Edited July 5, 2021 by GTK0HLK

[DexMacLeod]

On 7/5/2021 at 6:07 AM, Zello said:

Bonuses of flat maps. You can go full speed in your supercars for long amounts of time not worrying about crashing or hitting anything. 

Depends how they do traffic, I guess. Either way, that's not really a bonus for me. That just makes it even more boring.

 

On 7/5/2021 at 6:14 AM, The Tracker said:

Flat doesn't necessarily means "boring", look at GTA V's map, most of it was hills and mountains, and this ended up being an annoyance and an inconvenience, rather than something fun, it hurted the map more than favoring it. Having a flat map, ironically, would benefit the exploration even more, as it allows more room for deep and dense ecosystems where we can drive in and even get isolated in:

 

It's a matter of taste, I guess. I don't think Rockstar will ever make a map that's boring to look at but I don't really play video games to go sightseeing. Even if I was inclined to go "exploring" it'd be far more fun if the journey took me on long, windy roads with at least subtle elevation changes as opposed to the flat, narrow, grid system that is Miami.

[GhettoJesus]

On 7/5/2021 at 12:36 AM, BabaFamilias said:

Maybe go for some countries outside of US for a change (aren't Rockstar from the UK? They should know, how to parody it or other European countries):

A European setting would be nice but I fear that most jokes would fly over people's head. Considering America's dominance in entertainment jokes about and references to pop culture, events and people are a lot easier to understand for the global playerbase. I am not saying that the UK wouldn't serve this purpose well, I just believe it wouldn't be as efficient. I think GTA is a franchise which has to be set in the US first and foremost.

Edited July 5, 2021 by GhettoJesus

[Middle Class Roadman]

On 7/5/2021 at 7:21 PM, GhettoJesus said:

A European setting would be nice but I fear that most jokes would fly over people's head. Considering America's dominance in entertainment jokes about and references to pop culture, events and people are a lot easier to understand for the global playerbase. I am not saying that the UK wouldn't serve this purpose well, I just believe it wouldn't be as efficient. I think GTA is a franchise which has to be set in the US first and foremost.

 

Agreed. But at the same time I'm very intrigued to see what Rockstar would do if they decided to set a game in London/UK again. Theres a lot they could do with a London setting.

[Thomas Cavendish]

On 7/4/2021 at 4:09 PM, BabaFamilias said:

I would prefer it to be something completely different

How I wish
How I wish it to be in this town, at that time, with this theme/ drugs/ sound/ aesthetic

[Middle Class Roadman]

On 7/7/2021 at 5:59 AM, Thomas Cavendish said:

How I wish
How I wish it to be in this town, at that time, with this theme/ drugs/ sound/ aesthetic

 

The pacific NW would be a brilliant location.

[rjmthe2nd]

On 7/5/2021 at 12:26 AM, Zello said:

Hip hop, coca cola, and movies & tv, strip clubs lots and lots of strip clubs and probably more sh*t I'm forgetting

 

Atlanta has been the center of the hip hop world for years they kinda brought in a lot of the mumble rappers we hear today Gucci mane, Migos, Young thug etc. Also after LA and NYC Atlanta has been a very popular filming location for TV shows and movies I think more films are actually shot in Atlanta these days which has kinda brought it at odds with the conservative government in that state when they tried to pass a law all the filming companies were boycotting and threatening to move. Coca Cola is one of the most American brands in the world it's from Atlanta and it's headquarters are in Atlanta. Atlanta is sort of like the cultural capital of the southeast.

 

Atlanta still isn't as popular as a Miami (worldwide appeal to travelers)

[Zello]

On 7/12/2021 at 3:13 PM, rjmthe2nd said:

 

Atlanta still isn't as popular as a Miami (worldwide appeal to travelers)

Do that matter? The majority of GTAs sales come from the states. 

 

If it were worldwide appeal to travelers. It'd be Miami, Hawaii, and Puerto Rico.

Edited July 12, 2021 by Zello

[The Tracker]

On 7/7/2021 at 9:18 AM, Orbea Occam said:

 

The pacific NW would be a brilliant location.

 

Can't wait to do heroin!

[DexMacLeod]

I still don't get why "appeal to travelers" would matter in the slightest. People aren't playing GTA games as a vacation substitute. 

 

Plus, the thread is about what we want/don't want, not what would be best for the game's sales. 

[BabaFamilias]

On 7/12/2021 at 10:59 PM, DexMacLeod said:

Plus, the thread is about what we want/don't want, not what would be best for the game's sales.

 

It's actually about why someone specifically doesn't want a VC setting. That thread idea got abandoned a long time ago. 

[Nuclear Frog]

The reason I don't would be for the initial reaction when the game is officially announced. It's like everyone is expecting Vice and then boom it's something nobody expected. Everyone would be saying woah, I didn't see that happening. Rockstar would completely shock everyone!

[Patrizio]

I'm pro-Vice City in the sense that, it is overdue a makeover massively. However, for the sake of the topic, the location (Vice City alone) is probably the weakest of the series and I do understand the critique of some of a permenant sunny locale being old soon, especially after V.