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Gambling banned, killing not?


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demoralize13
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I just wonder where is logic at this point..

 

Gambling is banned in some countries, resulting not allowing those countries to play in GTA virtual casino as their virtual characters.

Killing is banned in every single country, yet we can kill with no problem every citizen in game.

 

Edit :

I made additional answer but people seems to not see it and still answering to orginal post, so i copy it in this edit.

 

Ok.

 

So i see a lot of comments about possibility to spend real money on casino chips.

That make somehow sense.

Even beside that you can spend real money for bullets and guns to kill people as well.

 

On the other side, you cant spend real money on spinning wheel. What about it?

 

Also in my country (iceland), gambling is illegal but online gambling is completely legal, yet i cant use casino in gta without VPN. 

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Sorry but what the actual f*ck lol, its a game, people play games to escape reality, so games let you do things that you are not allowed to do in real life, its a big part of what draws people to games, you say "killing is banned in every single country" (its not but thats a subject for another kind of chat) but then what about the rest of the game??? most countries also dont have citizens with flying motorcycles, orbital cannons etc, yet you choose to b*tch about not being able to gamble??? i honestly cant believe you even made this topic.

Gambling addiction is a serious problem that most countries are trying to fight, because its one of a very few addictions that cant be solved by pumping medication into somebody. Gambling addiction is such a big issue that other gaming companies have been sued by nations over the whole 'lootbox' sh*tshow, because kids dont understand what they are doing yet, casually spending a few hundred dollars to try win a certain item. While some gaming companies (EA) are very obviously trying to force people into a gambling addiction (because EA has always given zero f*cks about anything but profits) most gaming companies rather be smart about it, dont piss off any governments and you wont get any trouble, seems reasonable?

Instead of making a super weird connection between killing people and gambling (the f-) maybe try contact your local government/government/parlement or whatever & somehow convince them to allow gambling in video games, then R* can change that for you in-game. Or if it never gets that far, at the very least whoever you get to speak too should be able to give you a detailed description about why you cant gamble and why your government thinks that's best for you. Having seen several people close to me go absolutely to sh*t because of their gambling, i can tell you right now that whatever reason(s) your (local) government gives you, they are correct in not allowing gambling, remember that gta dollars are tied to real world money after all.



 

 

 

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Killing in a game (this or any other) is not killing in real life.

 

Gambling, at least in this game, is actual gambling. Or at least has the potential to be. You can spend real money to acquire Rockstar's fake money, and then blow it in their fake casino.

 

So--that's the difference.

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53 minutes ago, demoralize13 said:

Gambling is banned in some countries, resulting not allowing those countries to play in GTA virtual casino as their virtual characters.

Killing is banned in every single country, yet we can kill with no problem every citizen in game.

 

Countries are hypocritical sh*ts, pass it on.

 

Also you're banned from killing, they're not.

 

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This banning is done more as a joke anyway. The list itself is gathered by some interns less than in 15 minutes. Just remove cashing in and make missions the only source of chips (boost rewards ofc), well and betting itself. Voila, everyone can use casino without problems. 

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This is perhaps the oldest most well-trodden argument in this here subforum btw 

 

T2 exists to make money. Complying with local laws is entirely expected behaviour. Keeping your payment processor sweet too. Take a look at Black Friday in the US poker world.

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Are they really complying tho. In normal countries registering in online casino requires registration with proper ID and normally a video chat. In GTAO many players buying shark cards are under aged kids. Who's ID /age are not verified by R*. If they are so obedient, they should ban casino in whole world. This is more of PR stunt not more.

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7 minutes ago, ambi3nt said:

Are they really complying tho. In normal countries registering in online casino requires registration with proper ID and normally a video chat. In GTAO many players buying shark cards are under aged kids. Who's ID /age are not verified by R*. If they are so obedient, they should ban casino in whole world. This is more of PR stunt not more.

 

This is not a PR stunt on any level. It's a "better safe than sorry" approach driven by Rockstar's legal team.

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1 hour ago, Nutduster said:

 

This is not a PR stunt on any level. It's a "better safe than sorry" approach driven by Rockstar's legal team.

Well kind of yeah, but they are simultaneously doing it while violating laws of majority of all the countries anyway, if taking this matter with any seriousness.

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dieseltech20

Crazy comparison. 
 

The “gambling” in the casino is whack anyways. They could remove it all and I wouldn’t care. I never see anyone using the Casino so most apparently feel the same. 
 

If you are wanting to spin the wheel, you aren’t missing a thing. There are plenty of other ways to get a little bit of rp or snacks. 

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1 hour ago, ambi3nt said:

Well kind of yeah, but they are simultaneously doing it while violating laws of majority of all the countries anyway, if taking this matter with any seriousness.

 

But they're not taking the matter with any real seriousness. They just did the quickest and easiest thing that they figured would head off some potential legal hassles at the pass. They've been selling shark cards for years with minimal constraints, hiding somewhat behind the shield of Sony and Microsoft (who will catch flak for microtransaction pushback as much or more as any one developer would). That these cards are now being used in some cases to buy fake casino chips--well. As far as I can tell, they're probably just hoping that no one notices the moving bar enough to take them to court over it. And so far, they've been right.

 

I mean, there is already a brewing battle over these things, especially lootboxes (probably why some game companies are retreating from that model a little bit). Stories keep popping up in the news about kids that spent $2000 of their parents' money, and eventually that may well get legislated. So if they get in trouble at all, it won't be over the fake gambling specifically, it'll be the whole damn enchilada. But they're making too much money on the game to just call it a day right now. The thing they don't want to do is call too much attention to themselves, and adding a simulated casino and letting kids spend real money to gamble in it, in countries where gambling is illegal--that is the minimum threshold for "something we can do to protect ourselves at least a little."

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It's important not to differentiate between Rockstar and their decision about who can and who cannot gamble, which isn't under their direct control, while also trying to dissect the morals of gambling itself.

 

Once you go down the logical pathway of trying to understand why you can do something in one country/state/region, but not in another, you're going to find yourself in a deep pit of WTF!

 

What I do find surprising is that Rockstar considered implementing gambling at all, considering that you can actually plow thousands of real-life dollars into the game, but can't cash out any of your winnings afterwards! This certainly helps to deter professional gamblers from using GTA online to win real cash and does establish GTA online as just a video game, but it's still weirdly wrong that real-life cash can be exchanged into chips that can be gambled into potential profits that are effectively worth nothing outside of GTA online, which is perhaps why so many people are violently against purchasing shark cards that generate nothing in the long-term? I guess it all comes down to whether or not you have a gambling mentality, and if you don't, you'll probably get bored of the casino pretty quickly and the shallowness of the flashing lights and audible stimuli.

 

 

 

 

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Well, at least if you kill people in GTA, they respawn. Money does not.

If you spend your real life money on a shark card, then buy casino chips and lose them while gambling, your money won't respawn.

 

1 minute ago, Jenkiiii said:

It's important not to differentiate between Rockstar and their decision about who can and who cannot gamble, which isn't under their direct control, while also trying to dissect the morals of gambling itself.

 

Once you go down the logical pathway of trying to understand why you can do something in one country/state/region, but not in another, you're going to find yourself in a deep pit of WTF!

 

What I do find surprising is that Rockstar considered implementing gambling at all, considering that you can actually plow thousands of real-life dollars into the game, but can't cash out any of your winnings afterwards! This certainly helps to deter professional gamblers from using GTA online to win real cash and does establish GTA online as just a video game, but it's still weirdly wrong that real-life cash can be exchanged into chips that can be gambled into potential profits that are effectively worth nothing outside of GTA online, which is perhaps why so many people are violently against purchasing shark cards that generate nothing in the long-term? I guess it all comes down to whether or not you have a gambling mentality, and you if don't, you'll probably get bored of the casino pretty quickly and the shallowness of the flashing lights and audible stimuli.

 

Rockstar could always have decided that we could only get casino chips by doing missions, and not allow us to interchange them for GTA$.

If they had done that, no one would have had a problem with it, because they would be totally disconnected from real life money aka shark cards.

 

But no, Rockstar knew some kids would spend their shark card GTA$ on casino chips and then lose them gambling. And that is why it's banned in some countries.

Personally I don't care, I don't gamble. I have better money glitches to do. I only buy chips for the casino store.

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1 hour ago, AirWolf359 said:

Personally I don't care, I don't gamble. I have better money glitches to do. I only buy chips for the casino store.

Yes, it's a moot point anyway. If you DO have a gambling mentality, you're not going to be playing GTA online, but playing at one of the thousands of online casinos where you can actually win. For people who feel disappointed because they can't gamble in GTA online in their country, it's just bells and whistles and not an essential part of the game anyway.

 

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49 minutes ago, AirWolf359 said:

some kids would spend their shark card GTA$ on casino chips and then lose them gambling.

At the rate of about what?  50,000GTAbux or 80 cents per hour?    I assume we're talking about the same crowd that'll probably spend 50,000gtabux worth of sticky bombs and MK2 ammo in 5 minutes or less or shelling out 2M gtabux per hour in insurance deductibles for vehicles they're blowing up on their broomstick.

 

Honestly I have had a lot of fun with my friends playing cards and betting on 8 bit horse races.   I just wish they had put in a dice table.

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Ok.

 

So i see a lot of comments about possibility to spend real money on casino chips.

That make somehow sense.

Even beside that you can spend real money for bullets to kill people as well.

 

On the other side, you cant spend real money on spinning wheel. What about it?

 

Also in my country (iceland), gambling is illegal but online gambling is completely legal, yet i cant use casino in gta without VPN. 

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HamwithCheese

Stop. Killing virtual people shouldn't have real world implications. Your logic would only go against that. Your crusade against banning gambling would only put a spotlight on these games again.

 

Just stop.

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Because you can use real world money to gamble therefore it falls under gambling laws. It falls harshly under gambling laws because the player cannot get anything real world back. Games like New Vegas had gambling but they were nor banned because its fake money for fake gambling.

 

R* would rather cut certain players off than create a system that allows them to gamble alongside people without ever using real world money.

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>he doesn't kill people irl for recreational purposes

 

What kind of feudal sh*thole you people live in?

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CarimboHanky
1 hour ago, MayoChiki said:

>he doesn't kill people irl for recreational purposes

he missing the fun then 😂🤣

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9 hours ago, Jenkiiii said:

It's important not to differentiate between Rockstar and their decision about who can and who cannot gamble, which isn't under their direct control, while also trying to dissect the morals of gambling itself.

 

Once you go down the logical pathway of trying to understand why you can do something in one country/state/region, but not in another, you're going to find yourself in a deep pit of WTF!

 

What I do find surprising is that Rockstar considered implementing gambling at all, considering that you can actually plow thousands of real-life dollars into the game, but can't cash out any of your winnings afterwards! This certainly helps to deter professional gamblers from using GTA online to win real cash and does establish GTA online as just a video game, but it's still weirdly wrong that real-life cash can be exchanged into chips that can be gambled into potential profits that are effectively worth nothing outside of GTA online, which is perhaps why so many people are violently against purchasing shark cards that generate nothing in the long-term? I guess it all comes down to whether or not you have a gambling mentality, and if you don't, you'll probably get bored of the casino pretty quickly and the shallowness of the flashing lights and audible stimuli.

 

 

 

 

 

But its the 2nd time we had fake casino and fake gambling in a main gta game. What is the difference between gta sa and gtao when it comes to gambling, real money can be spent on fake casino money. :D

 

It's a bit ironic the game with fake casino and fake gambling is banned in countries meanwhile games without a casino but have gambling for skins is allowed. 

 

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18 hours ago, demoralize13 said:

I just wonder where is logic at this point..

 

Gambling is banned in some countries, resulting not allowing those countries to play in GTA virtual casino as their virtual characters.

Killing is banned in every single country, yet we can kill with no problem every citizen in game.

 

I don't think you should be playing this game...

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On 5/28/2021 at 8:40 PM, demoralize13 said:

Ok.

 

So i see a lot of comments about possibility to spend real money on casino chips.

That make somehow sense.

Even beside that you can spend real money for bullets to kill people as well.

 

On the other side, you cant spend real money on spinning wheel. What about it?

 

Also in my country (iceland), gambling is illegal but online gambling is completely legal, yet i cant use casino in gta without VPN. 

Rockstar made it so you cant buy Chips with sharkcard Money so you cant gamble irl Money. 

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On 5/28/2021 at 8:06 PM, Xiled said:

 

But its the 2nd time we had fake casino and fake gambling in a main gta game. What is the difference between gta sa and gtao when it comes to gambling, real money can be spent on fake casino money. :D

 

It's a bit ironic the game with fake casino and fake gambling is banned in countries meanwhile games without a casino but have gambling for skins is allowed. 

 

Aren’t you spending real $ to win fake $ when you plunk $59.99 down for a casino game?  Obviously the risk here is that there is no cap.  But to me, w/o the adrenaline rush of winning real $, I don’t think it implicates the endorphins that make gambling so dangerous.  This is entertainment, pure and simple.  If you can’t cash out real $, it isn’t even gambling.  OP’s analysis is so silly I am not gonna bother responding to thaT, bus somehow some good discussion has come out of it.

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Guys, come on. Every topic from this OP is asking inane questions about the most divisive & inflammatory elements of the game. They're either trolling or desperate for attention & you're all just shovelling it on. 

 

OP, if by some slim chance you're legit, try the search function before you post. Your questions have been asked and answered dozens of times. 

 

Just waiting for your next topic, "I think EWO/suicides during fights is fine" 😂

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demoralize13
2 hours ago, God-eater said:

Guys, come on. Every topic from this OP is asking inane questions about the most divisive & inflammatory elements of the game. They're either trolling or desperate for attention & you're all just shovelling it on. 

 

OP, if by some slim chance you're legit, try the search function before you post. Your questions have been asked and answered dozens of times. 

 

Just waiting for your next topic, "I think EWO/suicides during fights is fine" 😂

Search isnt answering my questions. If you are so good at it, try to find me legit answer with any kind of sense for this topic and link it please. If you see sense in "not because not" there have to be definitely something wrong with you 🤷‍♂️ and if you see sense in not letting spin a wheel for some part of playerbase, enlighten me please. 

 

I already understand it (but disagree with) gambling banned because of spending real money on chips. 

 

Go on. Link answer.

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22 minutes ago, demoralize13 said:

Search isnt answering my questions. If you are so good at it, try to find me legit answer with any kind of sense for this topic and link it please. If you see sense in "not because not" there have to be definitely something wrong with you 🤷‍♂️ and if you see sense in not letting spin a wheel for some part of playerbase, enlighten me please. 

 

I already understand it (but disagree with) gambling banned because of spending real money on chips. 

 

Go on. Link answer.

I think ist not Because you can lose real Money (like i said you cant buy Chips with sharkcard Money) it coud be that you get an addiction to Gambling in game and transfer that over to rl. Meaning you build you addiction ingame but Play in rl bc of that.

 

Edit: To fully answer your Question:

In my opinion the odds that someone kills a Person bc he did it in a Video game are very, very low.

But i think a guy that has a weakpoint to Gambling coud get addicted are rather fast.

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1 hour ago, Moewe755 said:

I think ist not Because you can lose real Money (like i said you cant buy Chips with sharkcard Money) it coud be that you get an addiction to Gambling in game and transfer that over to rl. Meaning you build you addiction ingame but Play in rl bc of that.

 

Edit: To fully answer your Question:

In my opinion the odds that someone kills a Person bc he did it in a Video game are very, very low.

But i think a guy that has a weakpoint to Gambling coud get addicted are rather fast.

Ok i can see it.

I am killing in game, but not going on the street to kill people.

I have been addicted to slots machines irl. One day i have spent whole my monthly salary on them.

I got over it and not playing it anymore irl, however i like to buy full pack of chips everyday i go to spin a wheel at diamond casino, and spend them all on slots in gta.

My addiction from old days obviously works in this virtual reality.

 

However spinning wheel banned is still mistery to me and i cant understand it.

This is just daily "go - spin - get something or not" i dont see any irl connections in this case.

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