Cayo Perico Heist Vehicles Elimination Game

[Ekke]

1. Sparrow – 33 [-2]
2. Kosatka - 64
3. Longfin - 31
4. Pegassi Toreador – 66 [+1]
5. Grotti Brioso 300 - 38
6. BF Weevil - 30
7. Maibatsu Manchez Scout – 30
8. Dinka Veto Classic - 25
9. Dinka Veto Modern – 25

[Jenkiiii]

6 hours ago, Jimbatron said:

Insane the Sparrow is being down voted as a genuinely game changing addition.

 

1. Sparrow – 31 <<
2. Kosatka - 65 >
3. Longfin - 31
4. Pegassi Toreador – 66
5. Grotti Brioso 300 - 38
6. BF Weevil - 30
7. Maibatsu Manchez Scout – 30
8. Dinka Veto Classic - 25
9. Dinka Veto Modern – 25

 

The Kostatka is the game-changing addition, not the Sparrow.
The Sparrow is a shoddily implemented and lazy bit of programming from Rockstar who don't like messing with existing code, so instead, they layer extra code on top, meaning we have a perfectly good Sea Sparrow with very handy buoys, which has been stripped down to reveal clunky legs with no suspension that cause damage every time it lands, unlike the Buzzard with its flexible suspension, and something has also gong wrong with the shadows when landing - causing a black block to appear underneath - and a visible light-tracing point that's most evident out at sea. We realize that Rockstar fears breaking something bigger down the line, which is why they rarely hot fix, but why create a new Sparrow that's less suited to the purpose in hand out at sea? Simple: remove the buoys to create a new vehicle and then layer the new block of code on top of existing code.

 

EDIT: the buoys could have been removed because of space restrictions inside the Kosatka? But it still makes no sense.

 

 

Edited May 24, 2021 by Jenkiiii

[Vill3m]

1. Sparrow – 30 -1
2. Kosatka - 65 
3. Longfin - 30 -1
4. Pegassi Toreador – 67 +1
5. Grotti Brioso 300 - 38
6. BF Weevil - 30
7. Maibatsu Manchez Scout – 30
8. Dinka Veto Classic - 25
9. Dinka Veto Modern – 25

 

[TCM_Doot]

1. Sparrow – 30
2. Kosatka - 65 
3. Longfin - 30
4. Pegassi Toreador – 67
5. Grotti Brioso 300 - 38
6. BF Weevil - 31 (+1)
7. Maibatsu Manchez Scout – 28 (-2)
8. Dinka Veto Classic - 25
9. Dinka Veto Modern – 25

 

I'm still shocked that nobody is paying attention to the Brioso 300 whatsoever. Its a fine vehicle, but its placed FAR too high in relation to the other vehicles here, especially the Sparrow.

 

Still taking out the threats to the Weevil, though.

[Nefarious_Poundcake]

1. Sparrow – 30
2. Kosatka - 65 
3. Longfin - 30
4. Pegassi Toreador – 67
5. Grotti Brioso 300 - 38
6. BF Weevil - 32 (+1)
7. Maibatsu Manchez Scout – 28 
8. Dinka Veto Classic - 23 (-2)
9. Dinka Veto Modern – 25

[Giantsgiants]

1. Sparrow – 28 (-2)
2. Kosatka - 65 
3. Longfin - 30
4. Pegassi Toreador – 67
5. Grotti Brioso 300 - 38
6. BF Weevil - 33 (+1)
7. Maibatsu Manchez Scout – 28 
8. Dinka Veto Classic - 23 
9. Dinka Veto Modern – 25

[dieseltech20]

1. Sparrow – 26               -2
2. Kosatka - 65 
3. Longfin - 30
4. Pegassi Toreador – 68              +1
5. Grotti Brioso 300 - 38
6. BF Weevil - 33 
7. Maibatsu Manchez Scout – 28 
8. Dinka Veto Classic - 23 
9. Dinka Veto Modern – 25

[wangsparkinglot]

1. Sparrow – 26               
2. Kosatka - 65 
3. Longfin - 28 <<
4. Pegassi Toreador – 68              
5. Grotti Brioso 300 - 38
6. BF Weevil - 33 
7. Maibatsu Manchez Scout – 28 
8. Dinka Veto Classic - 23 
9. Dinka Veto Modern – 26 >

[helios.axitro]

1. Sparrow – 26 
2. Kosatka - 65 
3. Longfin - 28 
4. Pegassi Toreador – 68 
5. Grotti Brioso 300 - 36 (-2)
6. BF Weevil - 34 (+1)
7. Maibatsu Manchez Scout – 28 
8. Dinka Veto Classic - 23 
9. Dinka Veto Modern – 26 

 

I'm sorry, the Brioso is cool, but the design is just too darn close to the real thing! It's another D10 situation, unfortunately.

And like TCM_Doot said, it's placed too high compared to other admittedly better vehicles in the list.

[Marciliojunior01]

1 minute ago, HeliosAxitro said:

1. Sparrow – 26 
2. Kosatka - 65 
3. Longfin - 28 
4. Pegassi Toreador – 68 
5. Grotti Brioso 300 - 36 (-2)
6. BF Weevil - 34 (+1)
7. Maibatsu Manchez Scout – 28 
8. Dinka Veto Classic - 23 
9. Dinka Veto Modern – 26 

 

I'm sorry, the Brioso is cool, but the design is just too darn close to the real thing! It's another D10 situation, unfortunately.

I much prefer the too close designs. Makes less room for sloppy 3D modeling, wacky proportions and forces the guys at rockstar to give more attention to detail. I hope they continue down this path. 

[kenmy13999]

1. Sparrow – 27  (+1) 
2. Kosatka - 65 
3. Longfin - 28 
4. Pegassi Toreador – 68 
5. Grotti Brioso 300 - 36 
6. BF Weevil - 32  (-2) 
7. Maibatsu Manchez Scout – 28 
8. Dinka Veto Classic - 23 
9. Dinka Veto Modern – 26 

[Jimbatron]

14 hours ago, Jenkiiii said:

The Kostatka is the game-changing addition, not the Sparrow.
The Sparrow is a shoddily implemented and lazy bit of programming from Rockstar who don't like messing with existing code, so instead, they layer extra code on top, meaning we have a perfectly good Sea Sparrow with very handy buoys, which has been stripped down to reveal clunky legs with no suspension that cause damage every time it lands, unlike the Buzzard with its flexible suspension, and something has also gong wrong with the shadows when landing - causing a black block to appear underneath - and a visible light-tracing point that's most evident out at sea. We realize that Rockstar fears breaking something bigger down the line, which is why they rarely hot fix, but why create a new Sparrow that's less suited to the purpose in hand out at sea? Simple: remove the buoys to create a new vehicle and then layer the new block of code on top of existing code.

 

EDIT: the buoys could have been removed because of space restrictions inside the Kosatka? But it still makes no sense.

 

 

 

I'd agree that the Sparrow isn't as game changing as the Kosatka, but then arguably it's the most impactful thing R* have ever added: the submarine officially killed grinding. I'd however completely disagree that any of this is a good reason for downvoting it, since it's score is well bellow the Kosatka, and it is still game changing in it's own right, certainly way more impactful than 6, possibly 7 of the other choices remaining. Lets look at what the Sparrow offers:

• Flying vehicle that spawns at your feet
• Unlimited rapid fire missiles
• Not a personal vehicle and you don't have to be CEO/MC to call

The vast majority of vehicles in GTA can't claim to have one these, and it is the only vehicle in the game that has all of these features - which make it totally unique for giving you character additional mobility and PvE capabilities. Then you add it's a huge enhancement to prepping CP because of it's ability to dock with the Kosatka.

 

Players will still be using this regularly long after the Beetle, Fiat and go-karts are buried in dust in the corner of their garage.

 

I'd therefore love to hear a convincing explanation of why it's been downvoted so brutally all of a sudden. Yes it might have been nice if they'd done something with the existing sea sparrow, but I think you've hit the nail on the head - with the buoys it wouldn't fit in the submarine! And this point of opinion doesn't change the fact that it is a million miles more useful than most of the other remaining option. Look at it this way: if you were a new player starting now, you should be saving single mindedly with the following objective: first to buy the Kosatka, then to buy the Sparrow. That tells you everything at how impactful these two vehicles are.

 

1. Sparrow – 28  (+1) 
2. Kosatka - 65 
3. Longfin - 28 
4. Pegassi Toreador – 68 
5. Grotti Brioso 300 - 36 
6. BF Weevil - 30  (-2) 
7. Maibatsu Manchez Scout – 28 
8. Dinka Veto Classic - 23 
9. Dinka Veto Modern – 26

[El Cavilldo]

1. Sparrow – 28   
2. Kosatka - 65 
3. Longfin - 26 (-2) 
4. Pegassi Toreador – 68 
5. Grotti Brioso 300 - 36 
6. BF Weevil - 31 (+1)
7. Maibatsu Manchez Scout – 28 
8. Dinka Veto Classic - 23 
9. Dinka Veto Modern – 26

 

1 hour ago, Jimbatron said:

I'd agree that the Sparrow isn't as game changing as the Kosatka, but then arguably it's the most impactful thing R* have ever added: the submarine officially killed grinding. I'd however completely disagree that any of this is a good reason for downvoting it, since it's score is well bellow the Kosatka, and it is still game changing in it's own right, certainly way more impactful than 6, possibly 7 of the other choices remaining.

 

I totally agree with you: unless you're into griefing, Cayo/Kosatka/Sparrow are the be$t thing to happened into GTAO maybe since the original Heists.

I can even tell you that if we want to enjoy the next summer DLC we must avoid thinking 'how much cash would I win?' because I doubt any new business will give us Perico-level earnings.

And because of that it will also turn obsolete any elimination game that include them from a grinding perspective. 

We even had a grind-themed elimination game earlier this year, while most of us were still getting into Cayo, and the Buzzard won! If that same elimination game were posted today it would be a landslide, we all know who would win since day one.
That Cayo Perico is king is a given, we all know it. So I post my votes on this thread based on how well designed, customizable, driveable, and overall fun and pleasant this vehicles are.

Edited May 25, 2021 by El Cavilldo

[Moewe]

1. Sparrow – 29 (+1)
2. Kosatka - 65 
3. Longfin - 26 
4. Pegassi Toreador – 68 
5. Grotti Brioso 300 - 36 
6. BF Weevil - 31
7. Maibatsu Manchez Scout – 28 
8. Dinka Veto Classic - 23
9. Dinka Veto Modern – 24 (-2)

 

Was away for a few days, why did they donevote the Sparrow that much? I dident care when it was in a battel with the Toreador, but do they think its  rly that useless? 

Edited May 25, 2021 by Moewe755

[Jimbatron]

2 hours ago, El Cavilldo said:

And because of that it will also turn obsolete any elimination game that include them from a grinding perspective. 

This is different though - we're not talking about some things that are useful for grinding, we're talking about some things that removed the need for grinding, period. The income potential is so great, so off the scale, I find it hard to see how anyone can ignore it. If you could only keep three of these items, I doubt anyone could say they wouldn't have the Kosatka and the Sparrow in that top three and keep a straight face. Or you'd have to be completely unaware of the economics. The Sparrow provides extra beyond that as well in terms of functionality, convenience, general usefulness. So unless you're trying to say "the objectively best things shouldn't win" I'd like to hear what the supposed downside is of the Sparrow from people who have downvoted it. I don't think there is even a remotely good case for it being downvoted at the moment.

Edited May 25, 2021 by Jimbatron

[helios.axitro]

4 hours ago, Marciliojunior01 said:

I much prefer the too close designs. Makes less room for sloppy 3D modeling, wacky proportions and forces the guys at rockstar to give more attention to detail. I hope they continue down this path. 

 

The problem in my opinion is that it feels like a sudden change in art style. The game has always been known to have these lore-friendly cars that are mixed with one or two or another. Shifting to a new kind of design term isn't necessarily bad, but it makes the older cars look off by comparison. Yes, I am aware that the older designs are subpar to say the least, but it's not the designs themselves but rather the feeling that they're no longer being as original with these designs as they were before.

 

And while I know they're not completely stupid to completely replicate one car and slap on a lore carmaker badge and call it a day, doing the stuff that made the D10 and now the 300 the way they are just seems a little different, a little unorthodox, compared to what they've been doing for the past years.

Heck, I'd rate the Itali RSX above the Brioso 300 design-wise. It is the perfect balance between being distinguishable from the real thing, and recognizable as an SF90. It mixes cues from other similar supercars, and while it needs tweaking in some areas, it's a good car in terms of its design. This is what a lore-friendly car should look and feel like.

That isn't saying Rockstar hasn't been putting out some good designs in the past updates. The Club, Tigon, Furia, Sultan Classic, Neo, and almost everything else from the Casino update are good (heck, even banger) designs. Just know that cars like those two are the exceptions.

 

And before someone mentions cars like the GP1, Cheburek, Gauntlet Classic, et cetera, those do look close to the original cars, but at least they continued to mix and match features from other cars and tweaked parts of them majorly. The GP1 doesn't have a central driving position, and has a different looking side vent and rear. The Gauntlet Classic has the taillights from a Ford Torino, as well as a different grille and windowline. 

The D10 (and the 300, for that matter) are just too damn close to the real thing, with at least only one thing flipped or another one changed, or some minor part from another car. 

 

Heck, they even have names that are too close to the real ones.

Anyway that's just my opinion. Feel free to say what you want, just know that I also respect your opinion as well.

Edited May 25, 2021 by HeliosAxitro

[Rotorhead359]

1. Sparrow – 30 (+1)
2. Kosatka - 65
3. Longfin - 26
4. Pegassi Toreador – 68
5. Grotti Brioso 300 - 36
6. BF Weevil - 31
7. Maibatsu Manchez Scout – 28
8. Dinka Veto Classic - 23
9. Dinka Veto Modern – 22 (-2)

 

2 hours ago, Moewe755 said:

Was away for a few days, why did they downvote the Sparrow that much? I didn't care when it was in a battle with the Toreador, but do they think it's really that useless? 

Because there was no absolute need for Rockstar to add the Sparrow, they could have made the existing Sea Sparrow dockable with the Kosatka.

Sure, I like the Sparrow, but if Rockstar had not added it, no one would have missed it.

At least I understand why people downvote boats, go-karts and a sloppy designed overpriced motorcycle with some parts animated incorrectly
 

Edited May 25, 2021 by AirWolf359

[Moewe]

9 minutes ago, AirWolf359 said:

1. Sparrow – 30 (+1)
2. Kosatka - 65
3. Longfin - 26
4. Pegassi Toreador – 68
5. Grotti Brioso 300 - 36
6. BF Weevil - 31
7. Maibatsu Manchez Scout – 28
8. Dinka Veto Classic - 23
9. Dinka Veto Modern – 22 (-2)

 

  

Because there was no absolute need for Rockstar to add the Sparrow, they could have made the existing Sea Sparrow dockable with the Kosatka.

Sure, I like the Sparrow, but if Rockstar had not added it, no one would have missed it.

Same with the Toreador, it just a Version of the Stromberg with a boost.

[Rotorhead359]

5 minutes ago, Moewe755 said:

Same with the Toreador, it just a Version of the Stromberg with a boost.

True, but at least you can also put the Stromberg in the Kosatka, instead of the Toreador.

Before I got my Toreador, I was using the Stromberg in its place.

 

No such thing with the Sparrow and Sea Sparrow.

People's dislike for the Sparrow seems to be about the Sea Sparrow too.

Lots of people already had Sea Sparrows and are disappointed they can't use them with the Kosatka.

Edited May 25, 2021 by AirWolf359

[Ekke]

1. Sparrow – 30
2. Kosatka - 65
3. Longfin - 26
4. Pegassi Toreador – 68
5. Grotti Brioso 300 - 37 [+1]
6. BF Weevil - 30 [-1]
7. Maibatsu Manchez Scout – 28
8. Dinka Veto Classic - 22 [-1]
9. Dinka Veto Modern – 22

[Jenkiiii]

9 hours ago, Jimbatron said:

I'd therefore love to hear a convincing explanation of why it's been downvoted so brutally all of a sudden. Yes it might have been nice if they'd done something with the existing sea sparrow, but I think you've hit the nail on the head - with the buoys it wouldn't fit in the submarine! And this point of opinion doesn't change the fact that it is a million miles more useful than most of the other remaining option. Look at it this way: if you were a new player starting now, you should be saving single mindedly with the following objective: first to buy the Kosatka, then to buy the Sparrow. That tells you everything at how impactful these two vehicles are.

 

I will personally lay off the Sparrow until someone hits on the Toreador again, which is as good a reason as any for downvoting it. It's not a question of how useful the Sparrow is for daily activities - a flying brick that spawns at your feet with instant recall and missiles would be just as useful - but the fact that Rockstar did not improve the existing model, but instead made a sub-standard version of something we already have is my problem with it. My guess is that the Kosatka had a design flaw and Rockstar had to adapt the buoy-less Sparrow at the last moment? The Toreador, on the other hand, totally improves on the Stromberg, is really fun switching between sea and land and is a clever attempt to negate the overly omnipotent Oppressor Mk II hazard.

 

6 hours ago, AirWolf359 said:

Because there was no absolute need for Rockstar to add the Sparrow, they could have made the existing Sea Sparrow dockable with the Kosatka.

Unless there was a very serious design flaw, as suggested above. You're right; technically, there is no reason for the CP Sparrow to even exist.

 

1. Sparrow – 30
2. Kosatka - 65
3. Longfin - 24 <<
4. Pegassi Toreador – 69 >
5. Grotti Brioso 300 - 37
6. BF Weevil - 30
7. Maibatsu Manchez Scout – 28
8. Dinka Veto Classic - 22
9. Dinka Veto Modern – 22

 

 

[Lonely-Martin]

1. Sparrow – 31 (+1)
2. Kosatka - 65
3. Longfin - 24
4. Pegassi Toreador – 67 (-2)
5. Grotti Brioso 300 - 37
6. BF Weevil - 30
7. Maibatsu Manchez Scout – 28
8. Dinka Veto Classic - 22
9. Dinka Veto Modern – 22

 

[TandyBR]

1. Sparrow – 29 -2
2. Kosatka - 65
3. Longfin - 24
4. Pegassi Toreador – 67
5. Grotti Brioso 300 - 37
6. BF Weevil - 31 +1
7. Maibatsu Manchez Scout – 28
8. Dinka Veto Classic - 22
9. Dinka Veto Modern – 22

[Vill3m]

1. Sparrow – 27 -2
2. Kosatka - 65
3. Longfin - 24
4. Pegassi Toreador – 68 +1
5. Grotti Brioso 300 - 37
6. BF Weevil - 31
7. Maibatsu Manchez Scout – 28
8. Dinka Veto Classic - 22
9. Dinka Veto Modern – 22

 

[TCM_Doot]

1. Sparrow – 27
2. Kosatka - 65
3. Longfin - 24
4. Pegassi Toreador – 68
5. Grotti Brioso 300 - 35 (-2)
6. BF Weevil - 32 (+1)
7. Maibatsu Manchez Scout – 28
8. Dinka Veto Classic - 22
9. Dinka Veto Modern – 22

 

I'm gonna cease attacking the Scout Manchez for now and instead go for a vehicle that's been getting by way too often without anyone seeming to take notice. The Brioso 300 really hasn't had any attention thrown its way at all and it should be down with the other cars, not third.

 

That, and of the 9 vehicles here, the Brioso's the one that's the least fun overall to play around with in my opinion.

Edited May 25, 2021 by TCM_Doot

[dieseltech20]

1. Sparrow – 25              -2
2. Kosatka - 65
3. Longfin - 24
4. Pegassi Toreador – 69          +1
5. Grotti Brioso 300 - 35 
6. BF Weevil - 32 
7. Maibatsu Manchez Scout – 28
8. Dinka Veto Classic - 22
9. Dinka Veto Modern – 22

 

Why down vote? I really have no use for it or any other flying vehicle. The thing especially pisses me off because of the phrase associated with it......THIS MOON POOL VEHICLE IS ALREADY IN USE. f*ck you, deliver my Chopper. The Buzzard will never do that to me. I don't give a damn that I have to be CEO, if I'm setting up a Heist or some other money making activity, I'm a CEO anyways and that's the only time I bother with flying. 

[Giantsgiants]

1. Sparrow – 23 (-2)         
2. Kosatka - 65
3. Longfin - 24
4. Pegassi Toreador – 69          
5. Grotti Brioso 300 - 35 
6. BF Weevil - 33 (+1)
7. Maibatsu Manchez Scout – 28
8. Dinka Veto Classic - 22
9. Dinka Veto Modern – 22

[wangsparkinglot]

1. Sparrow – 23         
2. Kosatka - 65
3. Longfin - 22 <<
4. Pegassi Toreador – 69          
5. Grotti Brioso 300 - 35 
6. BF Weevil - 33 
7. Maibatsu Manchez Scout – 28
8. Dinka Veto Classic - 22
9. Dinka Veto Modern – 23 >

[kenmy13999]

1. Sparrow – 24  (+1)         
2. Kosatka - 65
3. Longfin - 22 
4. Pegassi Toreador – 69          
5. Grotti Brioso 300 - 35 
6. BF Weevil - 31  (-2) 
7. Maibatsu Manchez Scout – 28
8. Dinka Veto Classic - 22
9. Dinka Veto Modern – 23

[helios.axitro]

1. Sparrow – 24 
2. Kosatka - 65
3. Longfin - 22 
4. Pegassi Toreador – 69
5. Grotti Brioso 300 - 34 (-1)
6. BF Weevil - 32 (+1)
7. Maibatsu Manchez Scout – 28
8. Dinka Veto Classic - 22
9. Dinka Veto Modern – 22 (-1)