whats with all the TBoGT Hate

[Oborlex]

on alot of these gta 4 threads i notice people sometimes like to make tbogt seem like a crappy game? whats wrong with it
the weapons were fun, the story was nice, and the characters were funny and enjoyable
is it because it wasn't as dark as gta 4 was? or am i missing something here

Edited April 18, 2021 by Oborlex

[billiejoearmstrong8]

I don't think it's really that hated. It's just some people who prefer the darker tone of IV and TLAD don't like it so much. And also some people think the storyline/missions/characters are too silly and over the top. And some people think Luis lacks personality and isn't a very strong protagonist or don't like how Tony is the character the story revolves around rather than Luis. Those are the main criticisms. But I don't think it's usually to the point of hating it, it's more just preferring IV and/or TLAD.

 

I get it because some of the humour is a bit too cringily silly for me at times and I do prefer the more serious tone and grounded gameplay of IV. But overall I like it, a lot of it does make me laugh, it continues the intertwined stories of the three games in cool ways, the new features, weapons and mission gameplay elements are fun and it's cool to get to do different/over the top stuff in Liberty City before leaving it, and the more lighthearted, nightlife themed atmosphere and brighter graphics are just generally a nice contrast to the atmospheres of IV and TLAD. It's an interesting third perspective on the city/story. Even though it isn't my favourite of the three another dark and grounded DLC would've been redundant so I'm glad they did it the way they did. 

[Ryo256]

Lack of praise =/= hate.

It just that TBOGT is seen to be different from its brothers that almost everyone agrees that it is better off as a standalone title than to be associated with GTA IV. That being said, I think both GTA IV's DLCs are 10/10 when they are not seen as living under the shadow of the main game. 

[billiejoearmstrong8]

16 minutes ago, Ryo256 said:

 almost everyone agrees that it is better off as a standalone title than to be associated with GTA IV. 

 

Hmm I disagree there. I think a good chunk of its value comes from how it continues to add to and tie up the overarching and intertwined IV/TLAD/TBOGT storyline(s) and how it contrasts with the other games and allows you to do different things to the other games in the same setting. I'd rate it much lower if it was a standalone. Same with TLAD but even more with TBOGT because it's satisfying to finally see all the loose ends of the story tied up as you go and everything come full circle.

Edited April 18, 2021 by billiejoearmstrong8

[B Dawg]

Outside of gameplay it just isn't as good as IV or TLAD.

[Oborlex]

Well i can say i do enjoy GTA IV more cause of its story, and just having alot more friends, better special things you can acquire from the friends, and more customization (i like packies car bomb and romans taxi service)
GTA IV is a really good game in my honest opinion. EFLC didnt nearly have as much content as GTA IV did besides weapons (even though some of the TLAD and TBoGT weapons were just kinda boring.

[Ryo256]

2 hours ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

 

Hmm I disagree there. I think a good chunk of its value comes from how it continues to add to and tie up the overarching and intertwined IV/TLAD/TBOGT storyline(s) and how it contrasts with the other games and allows you to do different things to the other games in the same setting. I'd rate it much lower if it was a standalone. Same with TLAD but even more with TBOGT because it's satisfying to finally see all the loose ends of the story tied up as you go and everything come full circle.

I have the same opinion except I prefer to treat TLaD and TBoGT as their own games. As DLCs they are like 9 and 8.5 respectively but definitely 10 on their own.

Although many would argue that you can have those loose ends covered in IV and TLaD. 

Edited April 18, 2021 by Ryo256

[PsyWarVeteran]

What hate?

 

TBoGT is pretty good, I despise nearly every character in it though.

[J LaFleur]

Everything's just *too* out there. Like they're trying to overcompensate for the darker and more serious tone of IV and TLAD.

 

I'm sorry but it's worse than GTA San Andreas levels of abandoning the main story, so you can have an epic mission about shooting hundreds of cops in helicopters on top of the Empire State while Luis is screaming "I'm not a terrorist!" - now repeat this "oh we're sorry GTA IV was serious and had a story - here's some explosions" about 10 more times.

 

I'm not saying that I hate the outlandish GTA missions. I actually liked the ones in San Andreas, and I liked V too, its just that the way TBOGT handles them is like it's trying to overcompensate for the serious tone of IV. 

 

[Zello]

I enjoy TBOGT. I don't get the hate for it.

[Americana]

For me it's one of the worst Grand Theft Auto games when it comes to the coherence and cohesion.

[vcfan1991]

Lol I don't think anyone h8s TBOGT - what would be the point? Mere waste of time and energy. TBOGT is gr8 btw.

[Ash_735]

It got some hate back in the day because Rockstar changed the original story plan (TBOGT was supposed to end on a depressing note too) and it felt a little whiplashed because of that. But looking back on it now the main hate seems to just revolve around Luis being bland, Armando & Henrique being the most annoying things possible in the IV storyline and that's about it, it's still good to play and struck a balance well between IV's style and being a bit more loose.

[Zello]

I do kinda wish it did focus more on the uptown gangsters in LC. The North Holland Hustlers and the dominican drug gangs.

[Guest]

I don't think it gets a lot of hate. Outside you will probably notice that TBOGT is more notably praised than the other DLC, TLAD. 

But, people didn't like how this game ruined the dark and depressing vibe of IV and TLAD and went into its own, goofy direction instead, and because of the lackluster Luis and the idiotic characters (which I agree on).

Me personally? I don't hate TBOGT. Criticizing is different than outright disliking.

Edited April 23, 2021 by OH76

[billiejoearmstrong8]

Even though I love the darkness of IV and TLAD (which I think are dark in different ways btw - I don't see IV and TLAD as a pair and TBOGT as the odd one out, I think all three are very different to each other) I quite enjoy how the three games end on a whimsical note. You get the satisfaction of taking Bulgarin out and everything coming full circle (final mission back in Broker, the homeless dude that Vlad had yelled at right at the beginning being the one to end up with the diamonds), a nice classic GTA throwback when you have to catch the plane with the motorbike before it takes off, a great final farewell view of the entire city as you parachute down, and the absolute surrealism of everything ending with you parachuting in to meet Tony for a nice chat in the park and for some reason Yusuf showing up to end the trilogy with the advice to "f*ck the people. f*ck them all! Whip out your dick and piss all over them". TBOGT could've benefited from being less silly at times but I found it a very enjoyable end to the story.

Edited April 23, 2021 by billiejoearmstrong8

[D T]

On 4/22/2021 at 2:16 PM, Ash_735 said:

It got some hate back in the day because Rockstar changed the original story plan (TBOGT was supposed to end on a depressing note too)

Is there any more info on this? I can't think of any dark turns the story could've taken apart from maybe Luis taking out Tony there at the end. 

[Algonquin Assassin]

I don't hate TBOGT, but I'll forever maintain it doesn't gel with GTA IV anywhere near on the same level as TLAD does and I've said it many times before. As a stand alone game TBOGT is fine as it's really just GTA IV with a different skin (same physics, mechanics etc), but as an intended part of the "trinity" eh not quite as much.

 

Luis is better than some of the other protagonists in the series, but compared to Johnny and especially Niko he's pretty much to GTA IV/EFLC what Franklin is to GTA V. Bland and kinda "meh". TBOGT introduced many cool and welcomed features I'll give it that, but for me personally it's not "hate". I just don't feel as strongly about it as TLAD and GTA IV because I value story, characters, atmosphere etc over gameplay. Which GTA IV already has a solid gameplay foundation.

 

From my observation TBOGT seems to resonate really well with people who thought GTA IV was "boring"  and was too "serious", but most (not all) hardcore GTA IV fans don't seem to put it in the same light as TLAD. I guess it depends on the person. 

Edited April 28, 2021 by Algonquin Assassin

[wise_man]

The side-activities and mission-design are fine for me, and I honestly love the "glitz and glamour"-style they're used. I think it's more with the story and characters. First, you have a weak protagonist. Then, you meet mostly annoying characters who always got into trouble.

Edited April 29, 2021 by wise_man

[Luis Vercetti]

On 4/17/2021 at 5:47 PM, Oborlex said:

on alot of these gta 4 threads i notice people sometimes like to make tbogt seem like a crappy game? whats wrong with it
the weapons were fun, the story was nice, and the characters were funny and enjoyable
is it because it wasn't as dark as gta 4 was? or am i missing something here

I ask myself the same thing. Besides tbogt simply being a DLC i actually really appreciate the game. Everyone always thinks liberty city (New York City) is a dark place where bad things happen and you should never go to it. honestly liberty city's real live counterpart NYC is a more vibrant city than what rockstar represents it as. I always loved tbogt for just that. That and also the fact how awesome the guns are and the game is slightly less laggy then the other two IV's

[Shadowfennekin]

It's DRASTICALLY different from IV and TLAD

Nothing really happens to Luis; Niko lost so much, friends died and were incarcerated, the love of his life murdered. Johnny lost most of his brothers

Luis... happy ending, everyone's alive!

 

His friends are annoying as hell too. Yusuf is the only good thing about the DLC

[Oborlex]

11 hours ago, Shadowfennekin said:

It's DRASTICALLY different from IV and TLAD

Nothing really happens to Luis; Niko lost so much, friends died and were incarcerated, the love of his life murdered. Johnny lost most of his brothers

Luis... happy ending, everyone's alive!

 

His friends are annoying as hell too. Yusuf is the only good thing about the DLC

yusuf is awesome

[Luis Vercetti]

though gta tbogt is fairly happy game i noticed that rockstar made up for it with one random encounter mission. If you guys rerember in tbogt there is a girl named Margot who is obsessed with Luis. after gta tbogt is over Luis accidently bumps into margot trying to commit suicide after Luis constantly denied margot.  Margot | GTA Wiki | Fandom this was a REALLY dark mission in tbogt and probably THE most darkest in the game.

Edited April 29, 2021 by Luis Vercetti

[billiejoearmstrong8]

10 hours ago, Luis Vercetti said:

though gta tbogt is fairly happy game i noticed that rockstar made up for it with one random encounter mission. If you guys rerember in tbogt there is a girl named Margot who is obsessed with Luis. after gta tbogt is over Luis accidently bumps into margot trying to commit suicide after Luis constantly denied margot.  Margot | GTA Wiki | Fandom this was a REALLY dark mission in tbogt and probably THE most darkest in the game.

 

Yeah I agree it definitely has its dark moments. Another example is when Bulgarin tells Luis to go to the roof and open the box...

[FanEu7]

Its fun but feels more like proto GTA V than part of the IV Saga. Its also the worst written part of the HD Era so far

[Luis Vercetti]

On 5/1/2021 at 11:45 AM, FanEu7 said:

Its fun but feels more like proto GTA V than part of the IV Saga. Its also the worst written part of the HD Era so far

nah i think gta tbogt's story is better than V's

[FanEu7]

On 5/5/2021 at 3:18 PM, Luis Vercetti said:

nah i think gta tbogt's story is better than V's

 

disagree. Luis was a boring protagonist, like Franklin level bad. At least V had Michael and Trevor to keep things interesting.

 

V's story was overall way more fun 

[Luis Vercetti]

On 5/6/2021 at 3:55 PM, FanEu7 said:

 

disagree. Luis was a boring protagonist, like Franklin level bad. At least V had Michael and Trevor to keep things interesting.

 

V's story was overall way more fun 

thats honestly who i was comparing Luis to. IF you play gta tbogt it is more interesting and it actually hooks you in like every other gta game. I have played gta v's story in the past but always end up getting to the third mission, in complete boredom and end up just uninstalling the game.

Edited May 10, 2021 by Luis Vercetti

[TWIST_OF_HATE]

Personally, I think TBOGT is good, and I don't like TLAD, so it's just a matter of taste

[Tycek]

GTA TBoGT is not liked as GTA IV and TLaD, because the game was changing the series for the worse, bringing the signs of the inevitable catastrophe also known as GTA V. 

 

TBoGT brought weak story and missions being almost nonsensical for the sake of over the topness - LCPD is transporting APC via skycrane (!) and You have to shoot all the cables to allow to literally fall few meters down (!!) to make it land on its wheels (!!!) exactly on the narrow bridge (!!!!) without taking how much time it takes You to free it from its transport (!!!!!). And that's only one of whole bunch.

 

New characters all more annoying than funny or interesting - like Rocco throwing racial slurs around or Mori being nothing more than annoying prick.  

 

But the absolutely terrible thing that TBoGT brought is something that never should be included in the game like GTA in the first place - that stupidly annoying scoring system with two achievements tied to it. You completed the mission, but scored 19/20 of headshots and it took You 1 second longer than some absolute dick of a designer thought it should? f*ck You - 50%. Scoring system based on tight time limits in a game based on randomness of traffic or accuracy, which is not even working correctly if You're shooting the vehicle? Good idea R*. Brilliant. I've completed BoGT many times, since it's a part of GTA IV trilogy after all, but despite all these years and attempts I reject to be scored by some this terrible and unfair system some idiot came up with. 

 

TBoGT isn't terrible game, but all its strengths are coming from the features brought by the main game - euphoria physics, nice graphics, extremely well done map. TBoGT alone brought noting worth writing home about on its own.  

Edited May 10, 2021 by Tycek