Always with the complaining.......

[Triumph-Rat]

Soooo many posts here hating the game, not just here but GTAO as well and also on forums for other games (other games are also available!).

 

My question is, why do people still go on a game that apparently they don't like, just to go on a forum and say how sh*t it is?

 

I really don't get it 

 

For instance, Black Ops Cold War, bought it, hated it, deleted it.

 

Didn't feel the need to go on a board to tell people I hated it, then keep playing it and keep returning to board to tell people I still hated it.

 

You see where this is going?

 

If you really don't like RDO then........DELETE IT!  It will instantly be out of your mind and won't nag at you during morning poo time (that may be just a me thing!!).

 

You could put it down to a 'I payed for it and I want my moneys worth' thing, which is kind of fair enough, but we all buy things we regret.

 

Recently after a pretty down period I purchased a really nice pair of Nike 90's but all they did were make me realise how shabby all the rest of my clothes look.

 

Did I rant on a Nike forum?  No.  I put them back in the box and started wearing a pair of old Airwalks.

 

Is this a good or well thought out analogy?  Probably not but it is still an analogy and the only one I have at present!

 

Love, Light and Peace.

 

Me 

[1898]

You asked a very similar question last week, you can see my reply there. We obviously like game, it's just that were led to expect so much more, so we complain. Maybe to much, yeah.

Edited April 15, 2021 by 1898

[Lonely-Martin]

The forum is surely made for discussions though. Are we not meant to do just that or is criticism not allowed? Valid and well earned I must add, IMHO.

 

So long as we respect the forum rules and such, I feel no topic should be off limits regarding R*'s games. Good, bad, or otherwise. If the game was genuinely so good, the negative comments would be easy to skip/miss, but unfortunately the game just could and should be so much more and as a long term fan of R*'s, I know they can do better and want that for this game.

 

I share in hope others agree and also submit feedback to R* as they asked for our feedback. I see no harm in that at all.

 

But there are aspects of RDRO that are enjoyable, so I enjoy those while criticising other aspects. 

[Triumph-Rat]

A point in fact (and thankyou *Lola, but that is not a morning poo, that is a staged poo.  There is a difference!! Again, may just be me LOL)

 

On both the GTAO and RDO forums, the Bitch and Moan threads waaaaaaay outweigh all others for post numbers.

 

Hence my point, if you don't like the game or the way it is made, stop playing it.

 

I understand that there are people that have genuine grievances with the game and I am with them such as my horse burying its head in  a rock/tree and insisting of doing laps of it when I am chasing a Legendary, but there are people who do nothing but criticize and there is no need for that as the game is not inherently bad, it just seems people would rather moan about nothing than do anything other than rinse and repeat.

 

[Rev. Gnash]

38 minutes ago, 955i said:

On both the GTAO and RDO forums, the Bitch and Moan threads waaaaaaay outweigh all others for post numbers.

 

Hence my point, if you don't like the game or the way it is made, stop playing it.

 

Or you could stop paying attention to the Bitch and Moan threads.

 

[Lonely-Martin]

16 minutes ago, 955i said:

On both the GTAO and RDO forums, the Bitch and Moan threads waaaaaaay outweigh all others for post numbers.

 

To be expected I believe, aside the DLC spec threads of course.

 

The B&M thread is just a broad and general thread that's designed to collect complaints from any aspect of the game, weather the game itself messes up or just a minor bug pops up, or if it's a specific incident that irks someone and they want to vent (or threads like this merged into them often too). It's a wide reaching thread so these type of threads will fill quicker than a thread made regarding one specific area of the game like a vehicle/horse appreciation thread or the like for example - Only some players have a liking for a specific thing, but we all have a B&M in us somewhere, lol. Yours is just here instead of in the right place is all. 

 

30 minutes ago, 955i said:

Hence my point, if you don't like the game or the way it is made, stop playing it.

 

This is a common misunderstanding I feel as valid criticism doesn't equal dislike/hate though. It's clear many ooze a passion for the games by sharing great ideas in a place designed for just that.

 

36 minutes ago, 955i said:

I understand that there are people that have genuine grievances with the game and I am with them such as my horse burying its head in  a rock/tree and insisting of doing laps of it when I am chasing a Legendary, but there are people who do nothing but criticize and there is no need for that as the game is not inherently bad, it just seems people would rather moan about nothing than do anything other than rinse and repeat.

 

As for the rest, haters gonna hate, best to ignore anything you dislike reading and skip on by. No need to B&M about B&M's. But you've shown also that you understand some of the criticism, so I don't really see the point in this all really. People have different opinions is all and that's only natural.

 

But again, if the bad/negative does outweighing the positive so much (I've no clues on the ratio), there's probably a reason for that. One or two hate-trolling and it's just jackasses at play, but if the negative is plentiful, that's something else that only R* can address, and I like that we have a place to voice and share our views, or grievances. Enjoy the forum and don't let it get to ya.

[TagoKG]

Kekw

[*Lola]

3 hours ago, 955i said:

Always with the complaining

 

It's relatable content for the RDR & GTA forum groups.

Forum members like to post, that's why they're here.

Posts, good, humor, bad, emoji, gif, meme, pic or vent.

Venting is very popular on the internet.

 

There's also flame. I don't think it's allowed here.

 

 

 

Edited April 15, 2021 by *Lola

[Palatinate]

Call it tough love.

 

Personally I rarely check in on the forums anymore because I've more or less moved on from the online dimension of this game, but it's understandable that many still care for RDO and are outspoken about its shortcomings. They still want it to succeed. 

[Direwrath]

I am a woman so...  

 

Really though, sugar covered compliments never fix anything, all they do is tell someone that there is nothing wrong and that there is nothing that needs fixing. When it comes down to RDRO there is a whole lotta work that needs to be done to keep it going, players complaining about their inaction, bad customer relations, and lack of fresh content are actually doing them a favor in the long run.

 

And when things like a simple trip into Valentine to buy supplies turns into this  

 

 

You can expect players to want something done to make their experience a better one.

 

If they really want this game to become and remain a truly successful game they would listen and respond to their long time players, not just cater to the new blood that comes in.

Edited April 16, 2021 by Direwrath

[AmyStone]

There is a bit too much complaining on here. It wouldn't be so bad if it was kept to certain places but it seems to infect most threads. Someone asking for advice about a certain thing usually ends up with someone going into a rant how that certain thing is broken and that rockstar are rubbish and won't fix it and 'it would all be so much better with private lobbies <yawn>'. The whole forum has become fairly irrelevant for me and it rarely has anything worth reading or replying to. There is very little exchange of game knowledge. There are certain people who seem to know useful things but who kept it a close secret. My last thread to talk about identifying cheaters (which I thought would have been quite useful) was locked for no obvious reason so yeah I'm a bit miffed about that too. But there are enough regular posters who do have things worth reading that get me returning from time to time.

 

So my advice to @955i is to do exactly the same with the forum as he's suggesting others do with the game. If it doesn't give you what you want then just don't waste any more time with it.

[Spider-Vice]

I think complaining is a part of any community, even when the games do many things well. Obviously those who complain are the loudest, so it will always look like it's only complaints vs. positive comments. Most times when people think something positive, they tend not to talk about it because in their view nothing needs to be criticised. It's like product reviews on Amazon.

 

The actual issue is the line between constructive criticism, suggestions and complaints, and outright insulting that many people do (I'm not talking about this community specifically, rather everyone at large in reviews sections, subreddits, etc.).

Threads like B&M exist so people can vent out their frustrations about things in the games, so obviously it'll always look like there's a bunch of complaints because the people who are enjoying the game are either talking more in other more sparse topics, or just playing the game, or saying nothing. The issue with B&M topics is that they can get toxic for absolutely no reason when someone thinks something should be done a certain way or complains about a certain feature, and someone doesn't agree and instantly go postal about it. Then again, this is something that happens everywhere, not just here. Some are civil, others go mental, etc. Plus, if you yourself have issues with some things in the game, you will be automatically focused on looking at negative comments because you agree with them versus positive ones, doesn't mean they don't exist.

We do sometimes let people let some more aggressive steam off in B&M, even though I personally think sometimes we shouldn't because it devolves into insults among members and to R* (who are comprised of humans as well...), but as long as it's contained, it's much easier to control. However, then when we do crack down, we get complaints ourselves, as I'll explain below.

 

Complaining and "bitching" leaking into other topics is also something that's hard to control, because e.g. in a thread about horses someone might be saying how they like the way a certain horse breed acts in the game, but someone else will then quote that person saying how it sucks and this one is better for races, etc. etc. completely derailing a horse discussion topic. Sometimes we crack down on that, then we get complaints ourselves as staff of censorship whilst we're just trying to keep things ontopic, etc.

 

Most times it's not even a matter of defending anything or anyone - it's a matter of keeping complaints civil and at least minimally constructive - instead of someone suggesting something like "private lobbies" and another person going "lol f*ck you that doesn't make sense wtf dude god damn your kind", etc. etc.  Obviously I agree if you don't like a game, just don't play it and don't go be toxic in online communities (if you're one of those people), but that never happens anywhere so...  

Look at larger competitive communities like CS:GO, Overwatch, etc. and you'll see the same kind of stuff. Rockstar's games have a wide reach, so they'll also have a high rate of annoying complainers and complaints.

 

I don't agree that compliments do nothing though, if you think something is done well, by all means compliment them. It helps real humans. If there's something that you think is wrong, as above, by all means, complain at least minimally constructively, just be civil is the bottom line. And many people online just cannot do that.

 

Personal 2c, etc.

[StyxTx]

1 hour ago, AmyStone said:

 'it would all be so much better with private lobbies <yawn>'.

 

Because that is fact. Most things that don't work in populated lobbies do work correctly in private lobbies. For people who think the game is good in populated lobbies, you'd be blown away in a private one.

Edited April 16, 2021 by StyxTx

[kcole4001]

A majority of the people complaining do so because they know the game could be so much better with a little effort.

We want it to be better.

 

That's different than hating the game.

 

For example: I bought what looked like a really cool game on steam covering the Polish underground in WWII called 'Uprising '44'.

It was cheap...and not on sale, that should have been a clue.

What was a promising concept had the most implementation issues I've ever seen, it was like it was programmed by 5 year old kids...or senile dogs...utterly terrible. no way around it, no way to fix or workaround.

So I uninstalled it and left a bad review (among VERY many others).

The devs couldn't care less, they are not updating it and it will never improve, which is unfortunate given the potential of covering an otherwise untouched subject in a game.

End of story.

 

See the difference?

[4eyedcoupe]

OH the irony

[FuturePastNow]

The nature of game forums is that they get both the people who like the game and play it, and the people who disliked the game and quit it (or refuse to). This forum has B&M containment threads to direct complaints to. I try to limit my complaining to those but I know it someones leaks out elsewhere.

 

I think a lot of us are just disappointed. We know RDO could be better. And R* isn't some little indie dev on a shoestring budget.

[StyxTx]

5 hours ago, kcole4001 said:

A majority of the people complaining do so because they know the game could be so much better with a little effort.

We want it to be better.

 

That's different than hating the game.

 

For example: I bought what looked like a really cool game on steam covering the Polish underground in WWII called 'Uprising '44'.

It was cheap...and not on sale, that should have been a clue.

What was a promising concept had the most implementation issues I've ever seen, it was like it was programmed by 5 year old kids...or senile dogs...utterly terrible. no way around it, no way to fix or workaround.

So I uninstalled it and left a bad review (among VERY many others).

The devs couldn't care less, they are not updating it and it will never improve, which is unfortunate given the potential of covering an otherwise untouched subject in a game.

End of story.

 

See the difference?

I want the game to get much better. I would love to go back to playing it. There was never a time I hated the game. I'm just bored with it. I do hate the way R* treats their customers though. It's like we don't exist.

Edited April 16, 2021 by StyxTx

[Triumph-Rat]

10 minutes ago, FuturePastNow said:

I think a lot of us are just disappointed. We know RDO could be better. And R* isn't some little indie dev on a shoestring budget.

I appreciate that and I think that RDO will be better, but talking to gamer friends of mine we have a suspicion that not many people are paying for gold in this game as it is relatively easy to earn and many newer players will have only purchased the online, decreasing the profit made from the game.

 

So where does that leave us?

 

The game must be funded by other more lucrative methods and I give you...........the HUGELY well selling GTAO Shark/Whale/Stickleback cards!!

 

I am 100% convinced that R* will not let this die, too much money has already been invested in an amazing looking game to just treat it as a passing phase, but their attention must always be focused on GTAO because that is where the real money to pay for anything done on here will come from.

 

I'm sure that in time this game will also find 'must-haves'  that will only be available to the long term wealthy player or the new 'credit card to win' players.

 

Luckily that hasn't happened yet, but if the popularity of GTA wanes, R* will be looking at the next game that they can milk money from and this may be it!!

 

Long may GTA reign and I am happy for longer waits for drops as long as this game doesn't turn into the cash grab that its older/newer (?) relative beacame.

[kcole4001]

While I agree greedstar won't just drop their support of the game because it's still making money and apparently it requires very little effort to continue, the unfortunate aspect of the two games' success is that all they've added to the games are ways to make more money, and they have no incentive to provide an actual reason to earn all that money/gold.

People have wanted elaborate wildly customizable mansions in GTAO, and basically the same for RDO (or stables/ranches/properties of ANY kind), yet after many years of this very vocal, very widespread request...nothing.

Not to mention more varied clothes, horses, wagons, etc. that are more customizable (seeing a trend there, perhaps).

 

It's not like it's a mystery what players want, I know that many people have submitted these ideas through the feedback page, so no one on the other end can claim that they weren't made abundantly aware of the desires of the player base.

 

Yet here we are.

It has been speculated that the content that has been released was prepared even before the pandemic appeared and is basically been drip-fed since.

The confidence that we will eventually get those 'must haves' is one I had shared for a long time, but that confidence is wearing very, very thin for me given the lack of any contrary evidence or reassurance regarding both games.

 

Where that leaves us is that without any communication from the devs we are left to wonder if we'll ever get any of the things that the majority of players have requested, or like for GTAO nothing will come of it all.

I have heard the thought espoused by someone (fairly prominent) on youtube that it was bickering player feedback that made them decide to stop all communication except for 'newswire' posts and the like.

The lack of communication is entirely unprofessional, and smacks of a petty, childish and even worse, entitled, attitude.

Honestly, if their skin is so thin then they're clearly in the wrong business, taking their player base for granted is a recipe for failure.

But then I'm sure if it does happen it will all "be the players' fault", someone else is always to blame.

Edited April 16, 2021 by kcole4001
ooofff...grammar!

[YNNEL]

We all like the game and want it to get better which is why we complain. It’s called constructive criticism.

[seventhreeo]

i was heavily into rdo when rdr2 came out on pc, was very invested for about two months then slowly stopped playing, no harm done and i got my money's worth, aside from the story red dead online showed me that rockstar was capable of righting wrongs made with gtao and i had a lot of fun playing it completely alone

 

i suppose you can't stop people from caring about this game and wanting it to be better, and that's where the complaints come from, however i think it's a fool's errand as the game is roughly two and a half years old now, gtao received its best update (2015's heists) in about a year and a half after its initial release, and i really can't think of much else they could add in rdo, a game limited to horses and guns

 

granted i do not check these forums much, but on the reddit sub for this game it's the same story - it's clear nothing will change and the complaints do not seem very productive, i don't blame the players but i do believe they're wasting time by complaining about something rockstar most likely has little to no care for

[StyxTx]

I'd be interested to know if people who own a business would rather hear complaints about things customers don't like about their business or prefer them to be quiet and then wonder why they're losing customers. Nothing ever gets better if everyone keeps their mouths shut when there are problems.

[slowburn29]

if you were so woke you wouldn't feel the need to complain about the complainers

 

live, love, laugh

 

slowburn

[Direwrath]

2 hours ago, StyxTx said:

I'd be interested to know if people who own a business would rather hear complaints about things customers don't like about their business or prefer them to be quiet and then wonder why they're losing customers. Nothing ever gets better if everyone keeps their mouths shut when there are problems.

Not business savvy but I am an artist, and as much as I love when people share the love they have for the work I do, I tend to pay far more attention to the constructive criticism that I receive. Reason being, I want to be better. And for my ability to grow I have to put work into it and outside input from eyes not my own help me do that.

 

If I put out a piece of crappy artwork and everyone gushed over how beautiful and perfect it was I would never move forward but stay in that limbo of drawing much of the same, mediocre work. Criticism to me means that the person sharing their thoughts cares enough to engage with me, and I appreciate it.

Love those supporters of mine who want nothing more than to lift me up, bless their hearts. But I seek resistance, it's what implores me to do better.

 

You can be sure that R* hears more than enough "You guys are the greatest in the world" compliments. Problem is, if they only focus on those comments does it do them or us any good?

 

As for those saying not to play this game, I actually have set it aside for other online games. Hell, I reached level 30 in the Outlaw Pass and I have to force myself to log in to play just so I can finish the darn thing because I bought it. 

 

I come on here because I still love the community, as I have other ways of enjoying the RDR world without having to rely on the game. And if R* cannot take criticism maybe they need to grow themselves a backbone and realize that it's all part of the bigger game.

 

We (the complainers) want them to succeed, it's why we do what we do.

 

 "you can lead a horse to water. But you cannot make him drink."

[Bi9Daddy68]

Like I said, "Are We the Most Spoiled Gamer's Ever?"

[Direwrath]

1 hour ago, Bi9Daddy68 said:

Like I said, "Are We the Most Spoiled Gamer's Ever?"

If this game (online) truly spoiled me, I would not have moved on. *shrugs* 

 

Unfortunately I was looking for a more meaningful game to play, and figured that the makers of the character and story driven masterpiece that was Red Dead Redemption could find a way to do it. There was nothing in the way they advertised the online in the beginning that said that it was intended to be a simple, barren gun club meant to make you players feel like the target in a shooting gallery. Rather they boasted a vibrant living world that would cater to the peaceful player as well as the more chaotic shooter.

They have failed both types of player in many ways as they have also failed to keep that world alive.

 

The number of people coming together to share enthusiasm for RDRO is dwindling, they (R*/Take Two) are losing their momentum with this game because they are the ones letting go.

 

I still love my RDRO character, and if R* ever gets their heads out of their bums enough to do something right with the game I am more than happy to come back. But right now I have a Tiefling rogue and a Drow ranger in Neverwinter to keep me occupied. At least in that game I can freely engage in a big battle with other players against a common enemy and we are honestly working for a common goal. All without having to worry about someone playing show off by ruining the mission or needlessly attacking me or the other players.

[Bi9Daddy68]

17 hours ago, Direwrath said:

If this game (online) truly spoiled me, I would not have moved on. *shrugs* 

 

Unfortunately I was looking for a more meaningful game to play, and figured that the makers of the character and story driven masterpiece that was Red Dead Redemption could find a way to do it. There was nothing in the way they advertised the online in the beginning that said that it was intended to be a simple, barren gun club meant to make you players feel like the target in a shooting gallery. Rather they boasted a vibrant living world that would cater to the peaceful player as well as the more chaotic shooter.

They have failed both types of player in many ways as they have also failed to keep that world alive.

 

The number of people coming together to share enthusiasm for RDRO is dwindling, they (R*/Take Two) are losing their momentum with this game because they are the ones letting go.

 

I still love my RDRO character, and if R* ever gets their heads out of their bums enough to do something right with the game I am more than happy to come back. But right now I have a Tiefling rogue and a Drow ranger in Neverwinter to keep me occupied. At least in that game I can freely engage in a big battle with other players against a common enemy and we are honestly working for a common goal. All without having to worry about someone playing show off by ruining the mission or needlessly attacking me or the other players.

For me, as a guy who spent 20 years of my 70 year life as a working cowboy, this game allows me to live vicariously that cowboy life again. That is what appeals to me, along with the beautiful world these artists have created. I am not sure who directed the developers of the game, but like Elvis, it appears they have left the building. Why not continue to make the game better instead of letting it grow stagnant.

[Direwrath]

7 hours ago, Bi9Daddy68 said:

For me, as a guy who spent 20 years of my 70 year life as a working cowboy, this game allows me to live vicariously that cowboy life again. That is what appeals to me, along with the beautiful world these artists have created. I am not sure who directed the developers of the game, but like Elvis, it appears they have left the building. Why not continue to make the game better instead of letting it grow stagnant.

I think this is what makes me the most angry about the whole situation, the developers just let things fall as they may and don't seem to really intend on putting real effort into making this game as big as it can be. 

 

As far as the game itself, I rarely join or play with other players because I like to wander the map instead of busy myself with constant missions or gun fights. Personally just riding around on my horse enjoying the sites and exploring the map are fine enough for me, as I am still in love with how fluid and reactive the horses are in this game not to mention how beautiful the environment is.

Although I've never had the privilege of working a ranch, I spent a good chunk of my life around horses and I used to help around a thoroughbred breeding and racing barn. It's been years since I've had the luxury of being able to just take a horse out on the trail and enjoy the peace of mind that they give me. This game is my outlet as well.  

 

Honestly I really don't ask for much, and like I've said in other threads, I would be most happy if they just gave me the map offline and let me transfer my character there. For me it just seems like the bad updates, or lack of in our case coupled with the really ridiculous clothing additions, the media silence, and their bad customer service is very telling of how they just may not care anyways. 

 

RDRO is meant for great things, it's the people in charge who are the problem. If they don't care to push the game to it's potential than they can give us our darn private servers and the Editor. 

 

 

[Surebrec]

On 4/15/2021 at 7:18 PM, Triumph-Rat said:

Soooo many posts here hating the game, not just here but GTAO as well and also on forums for other games (other games are also available!).

 

My question is, why do people still go on a game that apparently they don't like, just to go on a forum and say how sh*t it is?

 

I really don't get it 

 

For instance, Black Ops Cold War, bought it, hated it, deleted it.

 

Didn't feel the need to go on a board to tell people I hated it, then keep playing it and keep returning to board to tell people I still hated it.

 

You see where this is going?

 

If you really don't like RDO then........DELETE IT!  It will instantly be out of your mind and won't nag at you during morning poo time (that may be just a me thing!!).

 

You could put it down to a 'I payed for it and I want my moneys worth' thing, which is kind of fair enough, but we all buy things we regret.

 

Recently after a pretty down period I purchased a really nice pair of Nike 90's but all they did were make me realise how shabby all the rest of my clothes look.

 

Did I rant on a Nike forum?  No.  I put them back in the box and started wearing a pair of old Airwalks.

 

Is this a good or well thought out analogy?  Probably not but it is still an analogy and the only one I have at present!

 

Love, Light and Peace.

 

Me 

People do like the game, as I do. The problem is the people who like the game have serious concerns about the way the developers go about keeping it maintained with regards to content and bug fixes, again, as I do.

The main gripe for me is lack of transparency, either with regards to content, or how the content does/does not work, and said developers lack of acknowledgement to these concerns lead many people to believe that they have turned their backs and given up on the game.

Personally, I don't think this is the case and I have a feeling that a fair chunk of their developers are working on bringing the game to the next-gen market as they are doing with GTA5. Even so, I can understand why people feel R* have turned their back on the game..

[gtadrive]

Things aren't working this way. Red Dead and Grand Theft Auto series has a long story, it has a "fanbase" with a long beard, and long awaited expectation. You can't tell to people who has been around for longer than most fans are lived on this planet just to get lost if they dislike the thing that is being produced today.

I'm disappointed with V and RDR2, both online is sh*t, I do not play it but I critique IT for IT to be possibly better.