GTA 6 Speculation & Discussion [Part 5.69]

[NightmanCometh96]

1 hour ago, CynicalMexican said:

GTA V on XBOX One/PS4 was a different situation though; by then many people had gotten onto those consoles and GTA V wasn't even a year old, it made sense.

 

But ugh, another GTA 5 re-release in say, 2028 would be a f*cking nightmare. By then the game will be 15 years old.

I'm also willing to let the first remaster slide because of the lack of backwards compatibility on both PS4 and (at the time) Xbox One. E&E doesn't have that reason to "justify" its existence, but knowing the GTAO and/or "R* can do no wrong" crowd, it's almost certainly going to keep breaking sales/player retention records despite that.

 

Regarding your second point, V itself may not be that old, but the consoles it was originally designed for are 15/16 years old now. I never thought that we'd be in a situation where R*/T2 want us to buy and/or be excited for a game that's (arguably) still held back by that ancient hardware for the third time in less than a decade, but here we are. As someone who has practically grown up with the series since playing GTA III in ~2002, it's depressing.

Edited August 18, 2021 by NightmanCometh96

[WizArt-Dev]

I see that people have questions related to the latest news.
I'll try to give my explanations regarding those questions.

The contents of the post:
    1) Unreal Engine, RAGE;
    2) PS5, XSX;
    3) GTA 6, GTA Online. The information in this paragraph builds on my two previous posts (part: 5.69, pages: 249, 266).

So, let's go..

1) Is UE better than RAGE? Of course not.
Can UE be used for Trilogy remasters?
Perhaps, but.. provided they customize the engine itself.
Having (at one time) experience with UE4, I can say that
the engine (out-of-the-box) is not suitable for projects of this scale.
The cross-platform feature of UE will mean a performance penalty.
The engine is good for general cases,
but not able to provide the high level of optimization,
which (among other things) RG is known for.
Think of UE as a "jack of all trades".

2) It's worth understanding the difference between hardware specifications
and technical characteristics of the game.
Hardware features like a faster storage device (SSD) and the capability of playing at 4k/60fps
don't guarantee that a certain game will have the same decent performance.
Of course, hardware matters,
but it's not so much about the hardware as it is about the software.
Watch Dogs 1, Watch Dogs 2 as a prime example.

3) GTAO will be a separate project and will have nothing to do with GTA 6.
It'll get regular content updates, including expansions in the form of maps of previously known cities.
GTA 6 will be a single-player game.
It will be released on PS5 and XSX only if
the first part of GTA 6 is released no later than 2023.

Listed below are things that will give developers the real experience they need to implement GTA 6:
    a) GTA 5 on 3 generations of consoles => being a long-term project,
GTA 6 could be released on 2-3 generations of consoles;
    b) addition of the Cayo Perico map => gradual expansion of the game map;
    c) GTA 5 E&E on the updated engine => release of the game on the updated engine at some point.


And remember, the company is called Rockstar Games, not GTA Games.

[Dick Justice]

9 hours ago, Collibosher said:

Why not re-release GTA V and milk another decade of online with GTAO1? (oh right that's exactly what they're doing )

Because GTAV Expanded and Enhanced won't make a billion dollars in one day. 

[CynicalMexican]

26 minutes ago, NightmanCometh96 said:

I'm also willing to let the first remaster slide because of the lack of backwards compatibility on both PS4 and (at the time) Xbox One. E&E doesn't have that reason to "justify" its existence, but knowing the GTAO and/or "R* can do no wrong" crowd, it's almost certainly going to keep breaking sales/player retention records despite that.

 

Regarding your second point, V itself may not be that old, but the consoles it was originally designed for are 15/16 years old now. I never thought that we'd be in a situation where R*/T2 want us to buy and/or be excited for a game that's (arguably) still held back by that ancient hardware for the third time in less than a decade, but here we are. As someone who has practically grown up with the series since playing GTA III in ~2002, it's depressing.

To your second point, indeed it's f*cking sad.

 

We've seen what a new R* game looks like with the best available hardware in RDR2. It's just ridiculous that they're instead just rehashing the same crap all over again. 

[Jezus Holy Christ]

They've only half-assed RDO content and support so far. They might get more serious about that and work on a RDR2 PS5 remaster after E&E is out, and in that case, the real nightmare hasn't begun yet.

[Emmi]

14 hours ago, nob said:

I’m in two minds as to whether to try and avoid all GTA VI information, no watching gameplay or reading previews, so when the game arrives I know bugger all about it.

 

I’m not sure if it would even be possible in today’s world. You’d definitely see the box art, adverts on tv and web, video thumbnails, etc. Should be, though!

 

All of the other GTA’s I’ve read about or seen before I’ve played them, going back to Vice City. Which had a great website, set in a police station if I remember rightly.

 

Anyone tried anything similar, did you manage it?

 

In todays world that sadly doesn't work anymore. The last game I went into 'blind' was GTA San Andreas and oh boy, it was amazing! I must say though, watching the official revealed stuff doesn't bother me when it comes to Rockstar games, it did not lower my enjoyment so far.

[JohnMcLoviin]

8 hours ago, CynicalMexican said:

GTA V on XBOX One/PS4 was a different situation though; by then many people had gotten onto those consoles and GTA V wasn't even a year old, it made sense.

 

But ugh, another GTA 5 re-release in say, 2028 would be a f*cking nightmare. By then the game will be 15 years old.

Lol, don’t be surprised if they release an 8K update by that time, and charge people money for it.   It’s not impossible for it to happen, remember GTA IV recieved an increased FPS update not too long ago on Xbox X/S. And that game is over 13 years old.

[Zapper]

48 minutes ago, Johnnny J said:

remember GTA IV recieved an increased FPS update not too long ago on Xbox X/S

AFAIK Rockstar didn't have anything to do with that or the RDR1 4K update on One X back in 2018. That's just the MS Backwards Compatibility team doing it's magic. Rockstar probably gave them a green light to do so but they didn't have any input in it.

[Len Lfc]

5 minutes ago, Zapper said:

AFAIK Rockstar didn't have anything to do with that or the RDR1 4K update on One X back in 2018. That's just the MS Backwards Compatibility team doing it's magic. Rockstar probably gave them a green light to do so but they didn't have any input in it.

GTA IV simply has an unlocked framerate, so the more powerful Xbox Series X is able to run it at 60 fps, that's all. The RDR1 4K enhancement is indeed Microsoft's magic at work. Although the developers/publishers have nothing to do with it.

Here's my interaction with Pete Hines of Bethesda, confirming they had nothing to do with the updates for their games, it was all Microsoft.

 

 

[Zapper]

2 minutes ago, Len Lfc said:

GTA IV simply has an unlocked framerate, so the more powerful Xbox Series X is able to run it at 60 fps, that's all.

Exactly what I was just adding to my post now lol. I mixed up the RDR1 update with GTA4 thing and omitted the fact that it had uncapped FPS in 360 version.

[Zello]

54 minutes ago, Len Lfc said:

GTA IV simply has an unlocked framerate, so the more powerful Xbox Series X is able to run it at 60 fps, that's all. The RDR1 4K enhancement is indeed Microsoft's magic at work. Although the developers/publishers have nothing to do with it.

Here's my interaction with Pete Hines of Bethesda, confirming they had nothing to do with the updates for their games, it was all Microsoft.

-snip-

That sh*t makes me want to go buy an Xbox.

[Len Lfc]

2 hours ago, Zello said:

That sh*t makes me want to go buy an Xbox.

You should. Xbox is actually better than PlayStation, these days. PlayStation just has a lot of blindly loyal fans who won't criticize the things they get wrong. Having great games enables them to get away with it.

And I say this as someone who always owns and enjoys both. I'm not a console warring fanboy.

 

Xbox is basically PC in console form.

[Zello]

4 minutes ago, Len Lfc said:

You should. Xbox is actually better than PlayStation, these days. PlayStation just has a lot of blindly loyal fans who won't criticize the things they get wrong. Having great games enables them to get away with it.

And I say this as someone who always owns and enjoys both. I'm not a console warring fanboy.

 

Xbox is basically PC in console form.

I may come back to Xbox one day. When there's a price drop.

[Spider-Vice]

The thing with Sony is that they do have the best first party offering when it comes to action-adventure games (TLOU, HZD, etc.), but then they refuse to come out with concepts like Xbox's Game Pass that even Sony users would like. Xbox has the ecosystem advantage if you're a PC player as Xbox is also equal to Windows PC, especially for first party games where there can be cross save and cross play, but still, I think Sony's still being daft by refusing to do things like Games Pass, or actual proper backwards compatibility, or a better version of PS Now (XCloud isn't too bad from what I've heard).

[Len Lfc]

1 minute ago, Spider-Vice said:

The thing with Sony is that they do have the best first party offering when it comes to action-adventure games (TLOU, HZD, etc.), but then they refuse to come out with concepts like Xbox's Game Pass that even Sony users would like. Xbox has the ecosystem advantage if you're a PC player as Xbox is also equal to Windows PC, especially for first party games where there can be cross save and cross play, but still, I think Sony's still being daft by refusing to do things like Games Pass, or actual proper backwards compatibility, or a better version of PS Now (XCloud isn't too bad from what I've heard).

There's more. The problems with upgrading games to the 'Next-Gen' version is awful compared to Xbox's Smart Delivery. And the SSD expansion is a mess, too. You need to manually check it's compatible and you may even have to install a heat sink. For Xbox it's literally just plug n' play, since they offer proprietary SSD expansions. And no, proprietary hardware like that is not a bad thing.

[Spider-Vice]

Actually proprietary hardware is a very bad thing for both of them. You don't need proprietary hardware when regular PC NVMe drives can also do extremely high speeds especially when they're PCIE 4.0 rated, or even normal SATA SSD's. It's kinda stupid how Sony and MS require specific drives, there is literally no need. Nothing special is happening there compared to a PC. 

 

And in fairness I don't think all Xbox games have Smart Delivery either, but backwards compatibility on Sony consoles is a much bigger mess overall regardless. 

[Len Lfc]

11 minutes ago, Spider-Vice said:

Actually proprietary hardware is a very bad thing for both of them

In terms of increasing storage, it's really not. The example given by how overly complicated the PS5 is, the simple solution of Xbox is far superior. "It just works" Console players aren't like PC gamers and are happy with custom building hardware. I get the reason people hate it, but some things (Like the SSD) just really isn't an issue. You can still use any external HDD you want, no proprietary hardware required. It's just the SSD. Which is so much easier on Xbox.

 

13 minutes ago, Spider-Vice said:

And in fairness I don't think all Xbox games have Smart Delivery either

They do, with the exception of games that have different next-gen update methods, such as Control or Call of Duty. But the point being, PS5 has a 15 step process to upgrade your game. On Xbox you just download a patch. At worst, you have to buy the next gen version, which even then is incredibly simple.

[CheesyWalnuts]

31 minutes ago, Len Lfc said:

since they offer proprietary SSD expansions. And no, proprietary hardware like that is not a bad thing.

Thing is, you can get a PS5-compatible 1TB SSD for around $50 cheaper than Microsoft's expansion card thingy.

[Totallycasual]

1 hour ago, Spider-Vice said:

I think Sony's still being daft by refusing to do things like Games Pass

 

I think it's hard to ignore how we got here, Sony absolutely crushed the last console generation and a big part of Xbox's failure was due to their push towards some pretty anti-consumer bullsh*t like always online/DRM/obstructing the free trade of 2nd hand games etc etc.  Xbox is the underdog right now and they're doing Gamepass and backwards compatible stuff because they kinda have to do all they can to win people back to the ecosystem.  You can bet your ass that if MS was in a commanding position right now, there's no way in hell Gamepass would be as generous as it is. 

 

When all of the studios that MS acquired begin to deliver dividends and Sony is seeing some stern competition, i think they'll merge PS+, PS Now and all of the other crap they offer, they'll bundle it together with some streaming services like Netflix and offer a really compelling alternative to Gamepass, they just don't have to right this minute. 

[Fail_At_GTA]

1 hour ago, Totallycasual said:

 

I think it's hard to ignore how we got here, Sony absolutely crushed the last console generation and a big part of Xbox's failure was due to their push towards some pretty anti-consumer bullsh*t like always online/DRM/obstructing the free trade of 2nd hand games etc etc.  Xbox is the underdog right now and they're doing Gamepass and backwards compatible stuff because they kinda have to do all they can to win people back to the ecosystem.  You can bet your ass that if MS was in a commanding position right now, there's no way in hell Gamepass would be as generous as it is.

I feel this is more important than people would think.  To simplify, PS2 > Xbox, 360 > PS3, PS4 > Xbone, Xboxwhateveritisnow > PS5.  It keeps flipping every generation.

[Totallycasual]

4 minutes ago, Fail_At_GTA said:

Xboxwhateveritisnow > PS5

Things really aren't shaping up that way. 

[RoughD]

5 hours ago, Zello said:

That sh*t makes me want to go buy an Xbox.

The fps is good, but resolution is very very bad in GTA IV 

Edited August 18, 2021 by RoughD

[Octane]

14 hours ago, Jezus Holy Christ said:

RDR2 PS5 remaster after E&E is out

Other than adding Ray Tracing; which modders can probably already do, RDR 2 doesn't need a re-release at all lmao

[NightmanCometh96]

7 hours ago, Zello said:

I may come back to Xbox one day. When there's a price drop.

Microsoft Rewards is very helpful, even if you just do the daily Bing searches. I had been saving my points for ~2 years and ended up paying only $200 out of pocket for my Series X. Just the backwards compatibility (and the performance/visual improvements that come with it) alone was worth the purchase for me. I never though I'd be able to play RDR1 at native 4K (really hoping it gets an FPS boost update at some point) and GTA IV at 60FPS on a console.

 

With Jim "Why Would Anybody Play This" Ryan at the helm of Sony Interactive Entertainment, I doubt we'll ever see BC on PS5 aside from the PS4 BC that's already there. The fact that Sony considered shutting down the PS3 and Vita stores this summer (only changing their mind after the rightful backlash they received) also speaks volumes about their stance. We're probably never going to see an MGS4 port or remaster, are we? The situation sucks, and I say this as an owner and fan of both consoles.

Edited August 18, 2021 by NightmanCometh96

[GTAxYushix]

Microsoft and Sony have signed a partnership a couple of years ago to make use of Azure for offering streaming and services accros both platforms, not sure if they are still working on this.

I think Sony is doing great with their focus on gaming, they both have their pro's and cons but they both serve their purpose.

 

The whole SSD jargon is bullcrap.

The Playstation 5 does allow you to install cheaper SSDs and if they are fast enough even run games from it. The Playstation 5 SSD is a monster, it is not your standard SSD, this one is heavily optimized which is why you see it's insane loading times even surpassing the Series X at times. Both consoles are great and offer huge variety in gaming. Developing for both is fairly easy and both these companies kept devs in mind.

Edited August 18, 2021 by GTAxYushix

[GTAQueenVI]

The main Problem with sony playstation that their security is not good as Xbox , For example Sony playstation cant release update to patch the savewizard and thats means that Xbox have security more than Playstation and even when I report sony about savewizard all they said that they are aware from this issue and they will fix it soon and the word soon for sony same as same word for Rockstargames lol The word soon for both of them means after 10 years

[Americana]

3 hours ago, Octane said:

Other than adding Ray Tracing; which modders can probably already do, RDR 2 doesn't need a re-release at all lmao

 

What do you mean, we need a remake of the game already. We need more realistic shadows!

[Badman_]

RDR2 re-release? I think it's probably going to happen someday, but please don't give them any ideas. Let's keep it quiet for now.

[Zello]

58 minutes ago, Wolfman_ said:

RDR2 re-release? I think it's probably going to happen someday, but please don't give them any ideas. Let's keep it quiet for now.

Surfing H30 E&E

Smugglers run E&E

Oni E&E

Austin Powers E&E

Thrasher Skate & Destroy E&E

GTA Advance E&E

[Spider-Vice]

19 minutes ago, Zello said:

Those were the days man. I got a couple warnings back then 

 

I think fake leakers were worse and we got a lot more of them than we do now.

Moving here cos gen chat.

The community could get a lot more aggressive than now too, but then again that was during a game's marketing period so VI is gonna be fun... Not. We already have some of that even before an announcement.  Good lord the amount of trolls, fake leakers and whatever else that's gonna pop up when VI is actually announced. We already had a V trailer and people were trying to sell some fake ass game footage as real, and advertising fake beta tests, so much that R* had to release this page lmao.