GTA 6 Speculation & Discussion [Part 5.69]

[Len Lfc]

I never like to put too much stock into things like these. Most of the time it's just a figure of speech and it's not wise to read into the wording. But...

 

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“It does seem like a healthier culture overall,” said a second Rockstar developer. “We’ll see in a year or two if I’m pulling my hair out, but it does seem like we’re moving in the right direction for being a company the size we are.”

18 Months After Red Dead Redemption 2, Rockstar Has Made Big Cultural Changes - 4/15/20

[BAGS00]

On 7/23/2021 at 1:32 PM, Len Lfc said:

There's only 4 months to go, anyway. 

Possible delay incoming? ༎ຶ‿༎ຶ

[Orthur]

On 7/24/2021 at 12:42 AM, Len Lfc said:

I never like to put too much stock into things like these. Most of the time it's just a figure of speech and it's not wise to read into the wording. But...

 

18 Months After Red Dead Redemption 2, Rockstar Has Made Big Cultural Changes - 4/15/20

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Surprised you haven't noticed it until now

 

Also we don't know if the employee took covid into account, maybe pre-covid the game had an internal deadline of 2021/2022, over-analysing the wording, maybe the employee made an educated guess that after delays they'd release it in 2022.

 

So taking covid into account the release deadline would be increased by atleast one year. That puts us in 2022/2023. 

 

Should clarify we're probably just over-analysing something that means nothing, it could be just "figure of speech".

Edited July 24, 2021 by Orthur

[Kerminator369]

On 7/24/2021 at 1:09 AM, Orthur said:

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Surprised you haven't noticed it until now

 

Also we don't know if the employee took covid into account, maybe pre-covid the game had an internal deadline of 2021/2022, over-analysing the wording, maybe the employee made an educated guess that after delays they'd release it in 2022.

 

So taking covid into account the release deadline would be increased by atleast one year. That puts us in 2022/2023. 

 

Should clarify we're probably just over-analysing something that means nothing, it could be just "figure of speech".

No way covid delayed it 3 f*cking years. Idc how big of a game it is 

[big_man]

On 7/23/2021 at 3:55 AM, Lukas2580 said:

 

I hope if that was the actual menu rockstar would fire whoever made that

[Orthur]

On 7/24/2021 at 12:12 PM, RighteousMind369 said:

No way covid delayed it 3 f*cking years. Idc how big of a game it is 

Who said it's delayed 3 years?

[Kerminator369]

On 7/24/2021 at 2:52 AM, Orthur said:

Who said it's delayed 3 years?

Didn’t Jason say they’re aiming for 2023-2025 and that it’s in early development? I still don’t believe that 

[Reegisfilbin]

Its interesting how the idea that GTA 6 being announced this year has flown out of the window. Does anybody still think we could get an announcement this year, if so why?

[Zello]

On 7/24/2021 at 3:16 AM, Reegisfilbin said:

Its interesting how the idea that GTA 6 being announced this year has flown out of the window. Does anybody still think we could get an announcement this year, if so why?

tomorrow!

[Kerminator369]

On 7/24/2021 at 3:16 AM, Reegisfilbin said:

Its interesting how the idea that GTA 6 being announced this year has flown out of the window. Does anybody still think we could get an announcement this year, if so why?

Yes. Because I say it every year. 
 

 

[Len Lfc]

On 7/24/2021 at 6:09 AM, Orthur said:

Surprised you haven't noticed it until now

We all noticed it when the article was posted. Just bringing it up again. But like I said, I don't care to read too much into it. Pretty sure they're just talking about weather or not the change in culture lasts more than a year or two and isn't just for show since the focus was on them, at the time.

[Jezus Holy Christ]

On 7/24/2021 at 11:12 AM, RighteousMind369 said:

No way covid delayed it 3 f*cking years. Idc how big of a game it is 

 

Maybe it's because of the setting or plot points or things like that. It's probably a stretch but I think Covid can have the effect 9/11 had on III.

[BAGS00]

2024 guys

[Guest]

On 24/7/2021 at 9:16, Reegisfilbin said:

Its interesting how the idea that GTA 6 being announced this year has flown out of the window. Does anybody still think we could get an announcement this year, if so why?

I don't give up an ad at the end of this year.

[Rajder]

On 7/24/2021 at 9:16 AM, Reegisfilbin said:

Does anybody still think we could get an announcement this year, if so why?

T2 and Rockstar will be counting E&E money later this year 

They'll keep pretending VI doesn't exist until late 2022 (if we're lucky)

 

[Zello]

Me saying tomorrow when I know deep down it's not getting announced tomorrow.

 

Me celebrating when it finally gets announced tomorrow.

 

 

[Punkd]

On 7/24/2021 at 9:16 AM, Reegisfilbin said:

Its interesting how the idea that GTA 6 being announced this year has flown out of the window. Does anybody still think we could get an announcement this year, if so why?

 

more xbox s/x and ps5 need to be sold, its highly unrealistic they will release gta 6 earlier than maybe late 2023, if we are lucky

announcing the game in 2021 would lead us to a 2 year gap until release, and i think they (R*/T2) want to announce the game closer to its release date

[Schwartzxz]

On 7/24/2021 at 9:16 AM, Reegisfilbin said:

Its interesting how the idea that GTA 6 being announced this year has flown out of the window. Does anybody still think we could get an announcement this year, if so why?

honestly I have already given up on 2022. I should not be geting angry because of things like this but I probably will be pissed off a little bit if the game doesnt get announced by the end of 2023. at that point its 10 years since GTA5 and 5 years since their last game and its gonna be really disappointing that a company like R cant make a new game by then.

[ChengizVlad09]

On 7/22/2021 at 6:35 PM, Zapper said:

Cyberpunk's gameplay was fine by my standards (what I expect from those kind of games). The game needed better combat balancing and much more RPG elements and less bugs but it never felt unplayable to me by any means. 

 

Video games are much more than just pew pew shooty shooty gameplay. For example Fallout New Vegas has pretty bad shooting gameplay without mods and other enhancements but as a role playing game it's surely one of top 5. Also Disco Elysium doesn't have any combat whatsoever but it's something that can only be done in a video game. RDR2 is the ultimate video game western with some of the best world building and writing in the industry with gameplay that suits the mood of the game. All of them would be diminished as a film, show or a book.

On the flipside most multiplayer games, roguelikes, sports games doesn't depend narrative at all, they're gameplay first. The Soulsbornes are fantastic gameplay first with only great lore and worldbuilding to help you with navigating the world. One of the most beloved games of 2017 Zelda BoTW is almost fully gameplay driven. There is room for different type of games and they focus on different parts because they don't have infinite budget or time or manpower to develop it.

 

Rockstar focuses on a cinematic narrative with some choices baked into it with a sprawling open world for you to f*ck around and make your own fun (obviously having side quests and mini games) and they're pretty much the only ones doing it at that level. That's exactly what they would've done with the 3D era games if they were made today because that's their entire focus. If you don't like it you can play simply other games. And both dialogue and gameplay wise GTAIV and V completely demolishes every 3D GTA in every way. RDR and RDR2 even more so. Only San Andreas had more arbitrary content than any other GTA.

 

If you want better shooting play CoD, Forza for driving and so on. Options for everyone, that's modern gaming for you.

 

With all due respect, those standards are set pretty low then - in regards to Cyberpunk. 

 

I wasn't speaking about any other video game, but Grand Theft Auto specifically. In the broadest sense of things, video games produced by Rockstar and ultimately, what is going to reflect, or it is already reflecting on GTA VI. They indeed should be more than just a " pew-pew, shooty-shooty " or " vroom-vroom, squeaqy-squeaky " which is magnificently portrayed through theatrical voice acting, heavy scripting with thousands of lines, long-a$$ cutscenes, deep, cinematic alike presentation. Rockstar has got so involved in the notion of making a ' motion picture ' movie alike experience, so much so, that all those pew-pew, vroom-vroom moments are oversimplified, degenerate, kids moments that are totally redundant outside of the scripted realm. Shooting and driving - let me add enemy AI there - no matter how looked down upon they are, or how insignificant they might seem, or, at last, no matter how much you would belittle them, are the core mechanics of the open world, the key ingredients for the free-roam gameplay, which is on the other hand again, so belittled in favor of all that is going on during cutscenes. 

 

Stripping down all of the Rockstar titles of that neatly done facade of cinematic bull$hit and seeing gameplay alone and isolated, in the last 13 years or so, ultimately leave us with unfinished ideas, broken mechanics, broken implementations, quasi-half-baked solutions for the gameplay systems, modes and mechanics that should be priority when building an open world and free-roam gameplay inside it. The very thing that put them where they are now, but most importantly, the same thing because of which we fell in love with the franchise in the first place.

 

When you speak about things that are not so obvious, yet are so crucially important for the gameplay, which ultimately make us really love the said game, what exactly did you have in mind? Was it every broken game system of RDR2, whether we speak about "Camp", "Wanted", "Bounty", "Honor" systems? Or was it so charming constantly tapping dedicated button to make horse gallop? Maybe it was all those repetitive, identical, grindy-a$$ fetch quests.. for me, it was so amazing killing every single foe with my eyes closed, while using literall cheat, called the " dead-eye ". Doesn't matter, I found out during cutscenes and scripted missions that all my enemies are, as it turns out, really brutal and mean...

 

GTA V? It's not (only) the missing of anything meaningful in terms of activities or game modes, but the shooting and driving are easily the worst arcade experience made exclusively to be as easy as possible, so no one, and I mean literally no one, would have any trouble killing anything that moves. The real challenge is to have nerves to finally finish that crap, while still being awake. Whoever made shooting and driving mechanics, had the easiest job ever. Those aspects are freed of any kind of physics behind it. In more than 20 years, no one, and I really mean no one, have never thought about the possibility, that maybe, just maybe, it doesn't make sense to send the police AI immediately and spawn it in the middle of nowhere while the player is using weapons or committing a crime... Talking about not giving any f%ck while making gameplay modes, systems and mechanics is perhaps best visible while evading enemy bullets while going 220KM/H - which is around the upper speed limit for even the fastest cars - and I mean evading them with your head, since those aim-bots can't miss, from miles away. Spledid programing.

GTA IV is just the opposite. Udersteering with a hyper-car while literally cruising, is a thing of art. Car would have so much body-roll while almost creeping, it's ridiculous. At least shooting produces some nice effects - blood, ragdoll, sounds - while being nothing spectacular in terms of mechanics itself. That's particularly obvious in V, which doesn't have shooting mechanics, but rather, a paintball one. Every weapon is so blatantly the same that it hurts. Just like cars, no matter the class.

Grindy, repetitive activities that offer nothing meaningful or challenging that involves or requires a minimum kind of any skill at all.

 

In regards to GTA VI, and following the ongoing trends, there will inevitably be more of the same. Weak gameplay, strong narrative and cinematics. Which is, like 've pointed out, wrong. All this wait is nothing but a business model of creating a hype through psychology, great shift to a multiplayer grounds, where microtransaction is the king and where we are openly blackmailed to play it, while the gameplay is silently being raped, misused. The only real thing about it, is the crunch. But when you think about it, crunch doesn't last for years, but exclusively for a certain period of time in which those who don't give a single f#ck about games, decide to not give a f#ck about their employees even more, in an effort to get what they want in the shortest possible time frame.

 

Thanks for the suggestion, 27 years in front of the gaming screens of all sorts, has sharpened my taste a bit.

 

 

Edited July 24, 2021 by ChengizVlad09

[ArthurMorgan]

On 7/24/2021 at 4:27 PM, ChengizVlad09 said:

Thanks for the suggestion, 27 years in front of the gaming screens of all sorts, has sharpened my taste a bit.

 

 

You just said a whole bunch of stuff without really saying anything at all. Congratulations.

[ChengizVlad09]

On 7/24/2021 at 6:02 PM, ArthurMorgan said:

You just said a whole bunch of stuff without really saying anything at all. Congratulations.

 

Wow, how original, you speak meme.

Btw, I know it's not fun reading walls of text and I know my English is far from Shakespearean, but if you were so inclined to reply, then read between the lines more thoroughly, plus, I've been pretty much straightforward with bunch of things. 

[Jabalous]

@ChengizVlad09

 

Grand Theft Auto, or any R* game, has never been about challenging players or giving them freedom in finishing missions outside of the pre-written, controlled narrative. Their games are basically focused on making believable, convincing open-world environments visually, acoustically and behaviorally, and using it as a medium to tell a mainline and a bunch of sideline stories that are mostly a satirical version of real-life events, characters and pop culture. It's a working, successful formula and there's no point in changing it. I personally like it.

 

Maybe you can suggest what can be done better.

[VikingIsAWarrior]

On 7/23/2021 at 11:05 AM, VikingIsAWarrior said:

Looks like GTA 6 will release in 2026....

 

 

Also, the reason why I say this is because the new GTA online update and GTA E&E. I think R* rewrote some of the code/implemented more streamline measures so that they can implement more DLCs without the game totally crashing under the amount of data that is running. 

[Len Lfc]

On 7/24/2021 at 6:02 PM, Jabalous said:

@ChengizVlad09

 

Grand Theft Auto, or any R* game, has never been about challenging players or giving them freedom in finishing missions outside of the pre-written, controlled narrative. Their games are basically focused on making believable, convincing open-world environments visually, acoustically and behaviorally, and using it as a medium to tell a mainline and a bunch of sideline stories that are mostly a satirical version of real-life events, characters and pop culture. It's a working, successful formula and there's no point in changing it. I personally like it.

 

Maybe you can suggest what can be done better.

I think the main issue is that people don't want it to be that. Or at least not so strictly. I myself am like you, in that I like the way Rockstar do things. I often get overwhelmed and a little intimidated when I have too many options and don't have direction. I love the new Hitman games, but at first it was very difficult and frustrating, before I truly learned the game and unlocked more tools.

 

I think people want their games to return to the GTA III style, when you just had an objective and had a lot of freedom to do it how you wanted, without being punished or failing a mission for using the wrong weapon or going too far away, etc. Which, to be fair, I understand and agree.

[Octane]

On 7/24/2021 at 1:51 AM, yolobigman said:

I hope if that was the actual menu rockstar would fire whoever made that

The year for the trademark isn't even updated, that's how you know it's fake asf lol. And they conveniently don't show gameplay.

[Len Lfc]

On 7/24/2021 at 6:43 PM, Octane said:

The year for the trademark isn't even updated, that's how you know it's fake asf lol. And they conveniently don't show gameplay.

You can also tell it's fake just by looking at it.

[BAGS00]

On 7/24/2021 at 12:02 PM, Jabalous said:

Grand Theft Auto, or any R* game, has never been about challenging players or giving them freedom in finishing missions outside of the pre-written, controlled narrative

Would be nice if they actually changed that

[OOI]

On 7/23/2021 at 8:12 PM, Len Lfc said:

I never like to put too much stock into things like these. Most of the time it's just a figure of speech and it's not wise to read into the wording. But...

 

18 Months After Red Dead Redemption 2, Rockstar Has Made Big Cultural Changes - 4/15/20

I think it means they are evaluating. They'll kow on their final leg, before bug squashing, if they'll return to crunch or not.

 

Also, if the changes are here to stay, I'm expecting an announcement closer to the release date (6-12 months). I don't think it's a good idea to announce it early because it would put pressure on the devs again, and without them noticing they'd be back to crunch culture.

Edited July 24, 2021 by OOI

[Forek]

At last! Tommorow we become announcement 

 

 

 

 

 

[Len Lfc]

Where is @Dee? 

Stop getting banned, dude.