GTA 6 Speculation & Discussion [Part 5.69]

[The Tracker]

13 hours ago, MonoChrome213 said:

but it had twice as large map, smoother graphics and more available vehicles and weapons on the same console generation, it's obvious that some things had to be downgraded, and when gta v got ported on xbox one, ps4 and pc, they just updated graphics and didn't bother with everything else. so i really hope that e&e will fix all of that and "redeem" itself. i mean, they can't work for 1,5 years for just a simple port, so i think we can look at gta v from the new perspective (not vr one, hopefully ). if however that won't be the case, then i start to doubt if rockstar ever know what they're doing  

 

They could have went to a IV rute again, smaller, but more detailed map, or at least, the same map but less pointless details like an underwater area or bigass mountains that take way too much space, less weapons, but more details amongst them, etc. GTA V should have been released in the 8th generation, not the 7th, IMO.

Edited June 17, 2021 by The Tracker

[MonoChrome213]

2 hours ago, Kimd41 said:

I was thinking the other day why we dont have a single screenshot or video of V E&E being so close to release and got up an interesting theory.

 

Since it will be updated to a new engine, people have been speculating its probably the RDR2 engine and I disagree.

 

Technically it MUST be a much newer version than the RDR2 engine, because major core refactors must be done to take full power of the new super fast SSD's. 

 

My bet is that the new GTAO standalone will use the GTA6 engine branch so they can easily port content, features and fixes to one and another, since they plan to milk GTAO forever both games will need to coexist in the future. Both games need to look-a-like graphically, you cant have GTA6 looking next-gen and then GTAO looking old-gen, that would have negative effect on GTAO.

 

They MIGHT be holding up from showing E&E, because that would be basically spoiling major graphical upgrades that they can do a better "wow" factor with a GTA6 trailer.... So Im saying we are getting a GTA6 trailer BEFORE the release of E&E.

 

Rumours is that we are getting a Sony event in July with E&E trailer, if E&E isnt shown there, then my theory gets more sense.

 

i was with you on that but only before the last two paragraphs 

[Americana]

What, who said it's going to be updated to a new engine?

[REVENGE777]

2 minutes ago, Americana said:

What, who said it's going to be updated to a new engine?

It has to be, or else the game won’t be able to sustain itself any longer. The engine is extremely outdated, which is why everyone is sure that the version of RAGE E&E runs on will be RDR2’s or better

[DeltaV20]

13 hours ago, skau said:

GTA IV outperformed the so beloved GTA SA in both sales and fan/critic reception.

as of 2011-12 gta sa sold 27M+ copies and gta iv sold 25M copies (as of 2013), not bitching about IV but imo SA's fanbase is bigger than gta IV ( especially modding community) 

 

[DeltaV20]

5 minutes ago, REVENGE777 said:

It has to be, or else the game won’t be able to sustain itself any longer. The engine is extremely outdated, which is why everyone is sure that the version of RAGE E&E runs on will be RDR2’s or better

damn people really need to lower there hopes for a "remaster"

[Midnite0111]

4 hours ago, Kimd41 said:

I was thinking the other day why we dont have a single screenshot or video of V E&E being so close to release and got up an interesting theory.

I agree with you, I do think that's the case, but remember Max Payne 3? It was released a year before gta v, but their graphics were pretty different. But I don't think that's possible now, so you may be right. And imo, I don't think they would create a GTA 6: Multiplayer, instead I think they would keep updating this online(and separate it from gta v, and maybe even add the gta 6 map, although I think that would take a lot of space. 

 

[Orthur]

1 hour ago, Americana said:

What, who said it's going to be updated to a new engine?

No one knows for sure but there's this :

 

 

[Jakub1904]

1 hour ago, REVENGE777 said:

It has to be, or else the game won’t be able to sustain itself any longer. The engine is extremely outdated, which is why everyone is sure that the version of RAGE E&E runs on will be RDR2’s or better

Why would they switch to a completely new engine after they spent years building RAGE? I'm pretty sure they are going to keep using RAGE and continue improving it continuously.

EDIT: Looking back, I guess you were saying that E&E should use an updated engine, not that they are going to use a completely new engine for VI, right? That makes sense, but I wouldn't count on it.

Edited June 17, 2021 by Jakub1904

[DeltaV20]

Just now, Orthur said:

No one knows for sure but there's this :

 

 

if E&E is going to be on rdr2's rage then it would be a remake , just some structs which pretty much proves E&E will adopt few stuff from rdr2 like textures , graphics etc . 2014 remastered version of gta V is limited too for covering rdr2's rage, also Juan's hat in this picture is from rdr2 

[Kimd41]

5 minutes ago, Jakub1904 said:

Why would they switch to a completely new engine after they spent years building RAGE? I'm pretty sure they are going to keep using RAGE and continue improving it continuously.

He (and I) means newer version of RAGE.

 

The RDR2 strings indicate that its going to use RDR2 engines or newer (probably), because the engine is continously being developed and updated. 

 

A good example of this workflow is the Source engine, while its the 'same' engine from 2004 Half-Life 2, it has been updated which each game release so people often refer to the "l4d2 engine" or "portal2 engine", while essentially beign the same engine just a way to differentiate the evolution branches.

[REVENGE777]

44 minutes ago, Jakub1904 said:

Why would they switch to a completely new engine after they spent years building RAGE? I'm pretty sure they are going to keep using RAGE and continue improving it continuously.

EDIT: Looking back, I guess you were saying that E&E should use an updated engine, not that they are going to use a completely new engine for VI, right? That makes sense, but I wouldn't count on it.

Please read my second sentence again 

[Jakub1904]

8 minutes ago, REVENGE777 said:

Please read my second sentence again 

I did, that's why I edited my post. The guy you were quoting didn't originally mention E&E, so I thought the discussion was about VI, as we are in a VI topic, but I guess I should have known better by now.

[BabaFamilias]

5 hours ago, Zello said:

That's a problem not now but later.  Rockstar is like that big angry dog in the neighborhood all bark no bite. Eventually though someone might throw a ball into their yard and not be afraid of that dog.  Some studio not now but maybe a few years from now will walk up into their yard and take back their ball, walk on out of there while Rockstar wags their tail and even lets them pet them and what was the big scary dog now becomes a friendly dog.

 

Rockstar doesn't do any bark at all. They don't have to care about the others anymore and do their own thing. They did the barking when they were the underdogs and they won  :

 

 

Lets see how other developers "bark":

 

 

Wow, those two months turned into eight years. 

 

You just don't get it. Rockstar is miles ahead of everyone else when it comes to open world games. There aren't any games which are even close to the GTA or Red Dead series. While other developers are busy to dethrone GTA V for years, Rockstar is already working on GTA VI. There isn't any engine which is as fun as the RAGE engine. Even if a developer managed to create a better game than GTA in a "Zello-utopian-future", it won't sell as much as GTA. GTA is the bigger trademark and just the name alone sells millions of copies. You see it with Xbox and Playstation. Xbox always had the better hardware, but Playstation is just the bigger brand. Where I come from, most people don't even know what a Xbox is, they only talk about the Playstation. Even Cyberpunk 2077, the most hyped game since GTA, didn't come close to the sales figures of GTA. 

[REVENGE777]

4 minutes ago, BabaFamilias said:

 

Rockstar doesn't do any bark at all. They don't have to care about the others anymore and do their own thing. They did the barking when they were the underdogs and they won  :

 

 

Lets see how other developers "bark":

 

 

Wow, those two months turned into eight years. 

 

You just don't get it. Rockstar is miles ahead of everyone else when it comes to open world games. There aren't any games which are even close to the GTA or Red Dead series. While other developers are busy to dethrone GTA V for years, Rockstar is already working on GTA VI. There isn't any engine which is as fun as the RAGE engine. Even if a developer managed to create a better game than GTA in a "Zello-utopian-future", it won't sell as much as GTA. GTA is the bigger trademark and just the name alone sells millions of copies. You see it with Xbox and Playstation. Xbox always had the better hardware, but Playstation is just the bigger brand. Where I come from, most people don't even know what a Xbox is, they only talk about the Playstation. Even Cyberpunk 2077, the most hyped game since GTA, didn't come close to the sales figures of GTA. 

its been said here before, but just because a game doesn’t reach the insane financial numbers of a gta game doesn’t mean that there weren’t plenty of games that were good competitors. The open world crime genre has had plenty of duds but it’s also had some really good games, the first 2 saints row games beating out most of the competition and even a couple gta titles. And where are you from where people don’t even know what an Xbox is???

[dekapitator]

On 6/13/2021 at 9:20 PM, Thomas Cavendish said:

I found this pics from the main art director of Rockstar, Jamie Lee Loyd. 
It's the most recent entry in his portfolio.
So the answer to you question is yes, we can expect this level of detais in VI.

Damn that's detailed. Sure we may not get all characters at this level of detail in-game but I'm really excited to see a R* game built for XSX & PS5

[BabaFamilias]

3 minutes ago, REVENGE777 said:

its been said here before, but just because a game doesn’t reach the insane financial numbers of a gta game doesn’t mean that there weren’t plenty of games that were good competitors.

 

It's all about the financial numbers for the corporations. Whether a game was a success or not isn't measured by the metacritic, but rather the number of copies sold and active (paying) players. And that's what Zello implied, when he wrote "take back their ball". How do you take "their ball"? By having a higher metacritic or better sales?

 

11 minutes ago, REVENGE777 said:

And where are you from where people don’t even know what an Xbox is???

 

You can see my country flag. Casual players (mostly FIFA players) that I know never even heard of it and the others won't care for it, because all their friends are playing on Playstation. 

[REVENGE777]

7 minutes ago, BabaFamilias said:

 

It's all about the financial numbers for the corporations. Whether a game was a success or not isn't measured by the metacritic, but rather the number of copies sold and active (paying) players. And that's what Zello implied, when he wrote "take back their ball". How do you take "their ball"? By having a higher metacritic or better sales?

 

 

You can see my country flag. Casual players (mostly FIFA players) that I know never even heard of it and the others won't care for it, because all their friends are playing on Playstation. 

just because a game was a financial success doesn’t always mean it was a good game. A good game stands on its on merit regardless of sales. And I can’t see your country flag, I’m on mobile.

[BabaFamilias]

1 minute ago, REVENGE777 said:

just because a game was a financial success doesn’t always mean it was a good game.

 

Did I say that? Read my postings more carefully. Creating a good game/better game than GTA =! "taking Rockstars ball" or take Rockstars spot at the top. You said it, some Saints Row games were better than GTA (like when Saints Row 2 was more of a GTA than GTA IV itself), but where are they now? You can't keep up with Rockstar.

[OOI]

9 hours ago, Kimd41 said:

I was thinking the other day why we dont have a single screenshot or video of V E&E being so close to release and got up an interesting theory.

 

Since it will be updated to a new engine, people have been speculating its probably the RDR2 engine and I disagree.

 

Technically it MUST be a much newer version than the RDR2 engine, because major core refactors must be done to take full power of the new super fast SSD's. 

 

My bet is that the new GTAO standalone will use the GTA6 engine branch so they can easily port content, features and fixes to one and another, since they plan to milk GTAO forever both games will need to coexist in the future. Both games need to look-a-like graphically, you cant have GTA6 looking next-gen and then GTAO looking old-gen, that would have negative effect on GTAO.

 

They MIGHT be holding up from showing E&E, because that would be basically spoiling major graphical upgrades that they can do a better "wow" factor with a GTA6 trailer.... So Im saying we are getting a GTA6 trailer BEFORE the release of E&E.

 

Rumours is that we are getting a Sony event in July with E&E trailer, if E&E isnt shown there, then my theory gets more sense.

 

 

So we get RAGE 2 on PS5 and Xbox Series S/X.

No PC = No data mining.
No crossplay = Multiple online engine versions (Rockstar probably has the staff to work on that).

This could mean new GTA online on PC only when GTA 6 releases (to avoid data mining)?

 

EDIT:

@Balex, would you kindly react with a just to show how wrong I am?

 

Edited June 17, 2021 by OOI

[MrPhillips]

People need to understand that updated RAGE engine doesn't mean better graphics or better textures. For example, if you import Unity 3 project into Unity 5, you basically updated the engine of the game, but the game is still the same. To update graphics, textures, clouds and similar, they need to work hard.

[Spider-Vice]

Partially incorrect. It doesn't quite work as simple as Unity or UE, in fact, importing an UE3 project into UE4 will automatically make parts of it look better due to different native lighting engines and such. The assets themselves would have to be done from the ground up manually, but the weather & lighting system is a part of RAGE, so importing V into RDR2's RAGE would indeed make the weather/lighting look better even with the old models and textures (although the textures would need readjustments as newer RAGE has brand new features for textures) lol.

 

Also this is a totally custom engine and they can do whatever they want so it's a lot more work than "just importing" anyway, and if it was just that, once again, it'd be released by now.

 

2 cents, etc.

[Thomas Cavendish]

if an object has 200 polygons in the old RAGE, it will still have 200 polygons in the new RAGE.

[Spider-Vice]

Well yes, no sh*t. I still think E&E is going to blow some more minds than expected personally.

[BAGS00]

Damn, things are getting heated over here, hopefully we'll have news about this new version in some weeks

[OOI]

@Spider-Vice Can you see them handling and maintaining at least 2 versions (different engines) of online for about 2-3 years until a potential GTA 6 release?

 

See my previous post to know what I'm referring to.

[REVENGE777]

4 minutes ago, OOI said:

@Spider-Vice Can you see them handling and maintaining at least 2 versions (different engines) of online for about 2-3 years until a potential GTA 6 release?

 

See my previous post to know what I'm referring to.

They been doing it for almost 8 years already 

[Spider-Vice]

8 minutes ago, OOI said:

for about 2-3 years

They will stop updating PS4 and Xbox One eventually. They also maintained two versions of DLC's for PS3 and Xbox 360, there were engine changes between both gens. They aren't gonna maintain the last gen consoles for 2-3 years until GTA VI lmao. It's all gonna be about E&E after a point.

[OOI]

11 minutes ago, REVENGE777 said:

They been doing it for almost 8 years already 

Yes, but this time, I think, will probably have the PC version (in RAGE 2/new engine) only once GTA 6 gets released to avoid data mining?

 

8 minutes ago, Spider-Vice said:

They will stop updating PS4 and Xbox One eventually. They also maintained two versions of DLC's for PS3 and Xbox 360, there were engine changes between both gens. They aren't gonna maintain the last gen consoles for 2-3 years until GTA VI lmao. It's all gonna be about E&E after a point.

So are you saying that PS4/XB1 are probably getting E&E?

Edited June 17, 2021 by OOI

[nolimits]

6 minutes ago, OOI said:

Yes, but this time, I think, will probably have the PC version (in RAGE 2/new engine) only once GTA 6 gets released to avoid data mining.

you can also datamine ps4/xbox

your argument is invalid