what is the best missile shooting car?

[Nutduster]

6 hours ago, Gridl0k said:

RIP my beloved Scramjet, because it's the Toreador, sadly. 

 

This is unless you're talking PVE, in which case rolling up on a bunch of enemies will get you shot through the 600 windows, so pick any of the others. But in that case you're unlikely to be wanting missiles anyway.

 

Even for PvE I find the Toreador basically the same as all the others except for maybe the Deluxo. This is where the Mk II really shines (even more than it does in PvP, where it's already fearsome). For sheer utility, owning one of each of the Mk II and Toreador is enough. The Toreador also has one major PvE advantage over most of the others: you can use it on heist prep missions and finales, which I think is something none of the others do except for the Vigilante. (Because Rockstar logic.) And the infinite missiles are a not-inconsiderable advantage too when facing down loads of enemies.

 

Anyway, my advice for big PvE guys, after snagging a Mk II, is to still get the Toreador and just learn to hang back a little. Missile lock is more effective at range anyway. If you want to drive right into the carnage, go truly old school and get an armored Kuruma--still the king of "nyah nyah, stupid NPCs, you can't shoot me."

 

For PvP, Toreador is far and away the king. It has the relatively sturdy armor of the Stromberg and better aquatic capabilities thanks to underwater boost and sonar. It has a neutral (i.e. sneaky) map blip like the Vigilante, which none of the others have. It has infinite missiles, which puts it in a class by itself. It is no-doubt-about-it the best ground vehicle against Oppressors, thanks to all of the above, plus judicious use of the boost (pro tip: most locked-on missiles will miss you if you are facing toward the enemy and boost right after they fire).  It's essentially the best features of all these vehicles, lacking only the Deluxo's flight to make it truly unbearable.

[Pedinhuh]

11 hours ago, Gunbladelad said:

One extra note here - the Stromberg can use the sonar in ANY water at all - even in the storm drains.  As long as the wheels are in water - it doesn't matter how deep or shallow - you'll be able to ping the sonar across the whole world map.

Toreador, not the Stromberg.

 

Stromberg doesn't get the sonar even if you store it in your Kosatka with the Sonar upgrade.

[Aquamaniac]

9 hours ago, Pedinhuh said:

Toreador, not the Stromberg.

 

Stromberg doesn't get the sonar even if you store it in your Kosatka with the Sonar upgrade.

Can you store the Stromberg in the Kosatka too? 

[Taterman]

33 minutes ago, Aquamaniac said:

Can you store the Stromberg in the Kosatka too? 

 

Just one or the other.

[Aquamaniac]

2 hours ago, Taterman said:

 

Just one or the other.

 

Didn't know it was possible at all. Would be cool if you could store the Deluxo instead of the Sparrow.

[Gunbladelad]

13 hours ago, Pedinhuh said:

Toreador, not the Stromberg.

 

Stromberg doesn't get the sonar even if you store it in your Kosatka with the Sonar upgrade.

You're right - I hadn't slept for about 20 hours when I typed that...

[suicidal_banana]

All of them can take only 1-2 missile hits before they blow up, 2 of them have a different kind of missile (stromberg & ruiner2000, usually called 'super-homing' or something like that) thats pretty much un-avoidable, 1 of those 2 (ruiner2000) has a CEO mission attached to it where you can pick up a stronger version that can take something like 15 missile hits, so really:

1.  Ruiner 2000 (after very little practice you can pretty much make mk2 bike griefers cry in their sleep with the mission version, also its great fun to 'parkour' with this, reverse then open chute for more air)
2. Toreador (It can take only 1 hit, blowing up on the second, but has a nice boost, can go underwater & is the only 4 seater on this list, so good to get as a second one)
3. You can forget the rest, they are mostly just "fun to have" at this point. (personal opinion: scramjet most fun of the remaining ones, so maybe get that as a 3rd, and vigilante is 'most cringe' so never get that)

Spoiler

 

[Gridl0k]

^ To counter, until the toreador came along the Vig was really rather good at killing Harry Potters, as long as you took them on head on, and was the only stealth radar blip. And it looks cool as f*ck. 

[Nutduster]

Vigilante also has some utility on heists, particularly if you want to do the elite challenge. It has the boost and top speed (actually a bit faster even) like the Toreador, but it's a bigger, heavier car and can push vehicles in front of it, which the Toreador can't. The world record time on the Series A finale involved heavy use of Vigilantes.

5 hours ago, suicidal_banana said:

All of them can take only 1-2 missile hits before they blow up

 

 

I am reasonably certain that the Stromberg and Toreador can both tank multiple missiles from the other missile cars and bikes (most notably, the Oppressor). And I think this is because those missiles do less damage than an RPG or helicopter/jet missiles. I've survived small barrages from Oppressors quite recently in the Toreador. You just have to watch for fire to start coming out of the gas tank (driver's side/back); that's a sign that it's about to explode.

[hugh750]

the toreador is one of the best, it has unlimited missiles with really good tracking, and you can out run missiles fired at you with boost plus it can go under water.

Edited April 22, 2021 by hugh750

[Rotorhead359]

Toreador is the best overall. It has more features than most of the other cars, except it doesn't fly or jump: (disclaimer, some of the other cars may have better missiles or better boost, I'm just giving a feature list)

+ Unlimited missiles

+ You can use it in heists

+ 4 seats, compared to 2 for all the others

+ No special radar icon, so it doesn't attract attention in freeroam

+ Explosion resistant
+ It goes under water

+ Can be stored in Kosatka Submarine

+ It has rocket boost, which also works under water

- Doesn't jump or fly

 

as for the others:

Spoiler

vigilante

+ You can use it in heists

+ No special radar icon

+ Rocket boost

- Not explosion resistant in freemode, but might be buffed in heists

 

stromberg

+ explosion resistant

+ goes under water

+ can be stored in Kosatka

- has special radar icon

- can not be used in heists

 

ruiner 2000

+ has vertical jump

+ has parachute for gliding

+ the Fully Loaded version has explosion resistance

- has special radar icon

- can not be used in heists

 

scramjet

+ has vertical jump

+ has rocket boost, which can be used in the air

- no explosion resistance

- has special radar icon

- can not be used in heists

 

deluxo

+ it flies (useful to escape wanted levels), although it drives faster

- oppressor mk2 made it obsolete

- no explosion resistance

- has special radar icon

- can not be used in heists

 

Edited April 23, 2021 by AirWolf359

[Jimbatron]

33 minutes ago, AirWolf359 said:

Toreador is the best overall. It has more features than most of the other cars, except it doesn't fly or jump: (disclaimer, some of the other cars may have better missiles or better boost, I'm just giving a feature list)

+ Unlimited missiles

+ You can use it in heists

+ 4 seats, compared to 2 for all the others

+ No special radar icon, so it doesn't attract attention in freeroam

+ Explosion resistant
+ It goes under water

+ Can be stored in Kosatka Submarine

+ It has rocket boost, which also works under water

- Doesn't jump or fly

 

as for the others:

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vigilante

+ You can use it in heists

+ No special radar icon

+ Rocket boost

- Not explosion resistant in freemode, but might be buffed in heists

 

stromberg

+ explosion resistant

+ goes under water

+ can be stored in Kosatka

- has special radar icon

- can not be used in heists

 

ruiner 2000

+ has vertical jump

+ has parachute for gliding

+ the Fully Loaded version has explosion resistance

- has special radar icon

- can not be used in heists

 

scramjet

+ has vertical jump

+ has rocket boost, which can be used in the air

- no explosion resistance

- has special radar icon

- can not be used in heists

 

deluxo

+ it flies (useful to escape wanted levels), although it drives faster

- oppressor mk2 made it obsolete

- no explosion resistance

- has special radar icon

- can not be used in heists

 

Agree with all of that, excellent summary.

 

Digression but the rules as to whether you can use them in heists are random AF if you as me.

 

I get why a vehicle that can fly is ruled out. By why is the Stromberg not ok, but the Toreador is? The only thing I can think is that the Stromberg is an objective vehicle in DD Act II. But then why is the Vigilante OK and not the Scramjet? Has a whiff of being decided by the whims of a different mission scripter each time!

[suicidal_banana]

43 minutes ago, Jimbatron said:

Agree with all of that, excellent summary.

 

Digression but the rules as to whether you can use them in heists are random AF if you as me.

 

I get why a vehicle that can fly is ruled out. By why is the Stromberg not ok, but the Toreador is? The only thing I can think is that the Stromberg is an objective vehicle in DD Act II. But then why is the Vigilante OK and not the Scramjet? Has a whiff of being decided by the whims of a different mission scripter each time!

 

I mean, a scramjet can just go in a straight line to a mission marker, when u combine jump and boost, the others cannot.

Not justifying their decision, but i can kind of see why the scramjet isnt allowed, it would allow people to do missions quick, cant have that. (all jokes aside its possibly related to elite challenge stuff? still should be allowed in setups though)

[Nutduster]

It seems completely random to me. Letting you use both the Vig and Toreador on heists, AND not giving them special map icons, seems arbitrary in the extreme. Especially in the case of the Toreador, which even aside from these two features is probably the best of these cars, and the most dangerous for PvP. It's really weird. But I'm happy they did it that way, because it means I can use the Toreador to take down Mk II griefers, and it's really helping my friends and I do the elite challenges too.

[Gaffa]

I'll guess the Toreador being usable in heists, having unlimited missiles and not having any custom blip are oversights and will be addressed in a future DLC update. 

[Nutduster]

2 hours ago, Gaffa said:

I'll guess the Toreador being usable in heists, having unlimited missiles and not having any custom blip are oversights and will be addressed in a future DLC update. 

 

You'd think, but the Vigilante is the same except for the unlimited missiles and they never fixed it. Been that way for years now.

[Pedinhuh]

7 hours ago, Gaffa said:

I'll guess the Toreador being usable in heists, having unlimited missiles and not having any custom blip are oversights and will be addressed in a future DLC update. 

In fact, there were two oversights with the car that makes me think the car was a last minute addition to the DLC just to attract more potential shark card buyers due to it's outrageous pricetag:

 

-It could be used with passive mode, got hotfixed with a background update;

-It could be used in Time Trails, interfering with the newer rules R* set for the TTs with the LS Summer Special update, also got hotfixed with background update;

 

 Also there's the fact that the car doesn't really makes sense with the update itself at all, and some choices about it are incredibly odd but seems to be intentional, such as the fact that the Toreador actually isn't considered a dedicated Special Vehicle of the Kosatka since it has all the markings of being one, like the fact that the sonar upgrade it can get can only be had if you buy the sonar upgrade for the Kosatka...One would think they would have made it an separated option at LSC but nope.

 

I would count on R* making the homing missiles limited since they aren't the standard missiles, removing the car's ability to be used in the heists and MAYBE giving it it's dedicated blip(I say maybe, because while some vehicles in the past got their blips added only later on, like the B11 Strikeforce, we also have the Vigilante maintaining it's fake stealth ability by having a regular blip).

[Shadowfennekin]

The Toreador has unlimited rockets? Seriously?! Awesome!

[hugh750]

On 4/24/2021 at 9:02 AM, Shadowfennekin said:

The Toreador has unlimited rockets? Seriously?! Awesome!

it does.

Edited April 25, 2021 by hugh750

[MechanicMammal]

On 4/23/2021 at 4:24 PM, AirWolf359 said:

- Doesn't jump or fly

 

I agree with all of the rest of your post, but.

Fly Hmm not in the traditional sense maybe, but it certainly can get some airtime and is controllable in the air to a certain degree.

And with a bit of map knowledge, practice and pre planned routes etc. You can get from A to B in no time spending most of the time Airbourne certainly once outside of the city.

 

 

Edited May 2, 2021 by MechanicMammal

[Aquamaniac]

They should buff the Ruiner 2000 to have unlimited missiles as well, it is almost double the price of the Toreador and can only jump and parachute but still is one of the coolest cars in the game.

 

The next super car should be able to fly and to dive.

[Taterman]

3 hours ago, MechanicMammal said:

 

I agree with all of the rest of your post, but.

Fly Hmm not in the traditional sense maybe, but it certainly can get some airtime and is controllable in the air to a certain degree.

And with a bit of map knowledge, practice and pre planned routes etc. You can get from A to B in no time spending most of the time Airbourne certainly once outside of the city.

 

 

 

 

Cool!

 

 

[SqualidCoyote]

I wandered into a few gang attacks with my Toreador. Spamming endless missiles at the gang was great fun and easy money!

[Nutduster]

On 5/2/2021 at 2:10 AM, Aquamaniac said:

They should buff the Ruiner 2000 to have unlimited missiles as well, it is almost double the price of the Toreador and can only jump and parachute but still is one of the coolest cars in the game.

 

Agreed, the Ruiner's missile limitation seems quaint now. Although regarding the price, don't look at it as the price of the regular Ruiner; look at it as the price for the FULLY LOADED Ruiner, which is still the undisputed king of mememobiles. I don't see people break it out much, which is honestly great, because it means it still flies under the radar. If you're getting hassled by persistent Mk II trolls, Fully Loaded will fix them right quick.

[Aquamaniac]

15 hours ago, Nutduster said:

 

Agreed, the Ruiner's missile limitation seems quaint now. Although regarding the price, don't look at it as the price of the regular Ruiner; look at it as the price for the FULLY LOADED Ruiner, which is still the undisputed king of mememobiles. I don't see people break it out much, which is honestly great, because it means it still flies under the radar. If you're getting hassled by persistent Mk II trolls, Fully Loaded will fix them right quick.

 

You mean the one you get when you start the CEO mission?

[Taterman]

6 minutes ago, Aquamaniac said:

 

You mean the one you get when you start the CEO mission?

 

Yep.

[Nutduster]

On 5/5/2021 at 1:51 AM, Aquamaniac said:

 

You mean the one you get when you start the CEO mission?

 

Yes. You can either do the mission, or enjoy 20 minutes of a borderline indestructible car with infinite missiles that no one can lock onto. It's cheesetastic, of course. But in certain lobbies with people calling for their Oppressor over and over, it'll turn their smile upside down in a hurry.

[Aquamaniac]

5 hours ago, Nutduster said:

 

Yes. You can either do the mission, or enjoy 20 minutes of a borderline indestructible car with infinite missiles that no one can lock onto. It's cheesetastic, of course. But in certain lobbies with people calling for their Oppressor over and over, it'll turn their smile upside down in a hurry.

 

Maybe I give it a try when somebody makes me very angry.

Edited May 8, 2021 by Aquamaniac

[Cigars and chill]

6 minutes ago, Presiden Doyan Bipang said:

Stromberg, Period

 

Cause it can make your enemy bleed like they're on a Period

 

 

Gross analogy. And wrong. Stromberg is no match for the OP MKII or Toreador.

[Rotorhead359]

7 hours ago, Midnight Ryder said:

 

Gross analogy. And wrong. Stromberg is no match for the OP MKII or Toreador.

Correct. The Toreador does everything better than the Stromberg, and you can use the Toreador on heists too, not the Stromberg.

Before the Toreador came out, I might have said the Stromberg was the best missile shooting car in freemode because it can at least survive for a few seconds against a mk2.

Best overall would have been the Vigilante for its ability to be used in heists, and no radar icon.

edit: Wait a sec, where is that post you quoted, was it deleted?

Edited May 13, 2021 by AirWolf359