Are We the Most Spoiled Gamers Ever?

[Bi9Daddy68]

All we humans seem to do is complain about Rockstar/RDRO. Myself included. But I invite you to go play another similar game title and compare. Personally I play RDRO every day, and I have always been impressed by the amount of completely beautiful art that is all around us in game, the detailed attention to the physics of every animal's behavior, (humans included), etc. I really appreciate the game RDRO even more after playing another major name brand's new release on XB1.

 

RDRO is not perfect, but it is gorgeous.

[StyxTx]

I can't argue about it being gorgeous but that isn't enough to keep me wanting to play the game if the content isn't keeping up. I can walk outside and see the beauty of the world as well and saw the beauty of the entire USA as a truck driver, but that beauty didn't make me want to continue driving a truck. After 14 years I'd seen everything many times. Eventually it becomes ho-hum. Sure, I play some games that aren't as "beautiful" but I don't get bored with them since the content is continually updated with quality and when it comes right down to it, how the game looks isn't why I buy them.

 

NBA 2k is similar. It looks fantastic but it plays like sh*t.

Edited April 3, 2021 by StyxTx

[Shrek Realista]

I totally agree with you, but an online game doesn't survive for long being just beautiful and well detailed. RDO has the world of RDR2 but capped and R* seems to not even trying to fix that. And what most people complain about the game is the lack of new activities and things to do in the game. RDO can be perfect, it has potential for that, R* just need to focus more on the game and listen to its fans.

Edited April 3, 2021 by Chief_Forasteiro

[Lonely-Martin]

Oh, I 100% agree it's a stunning map we have here. Beautiful and quite atmospheric too.

 

Just when you consider the lack of day one content, the slow build, and how R* said we are to build this world with suggestions often ignored/rejected, and how much GTA got and still gets compared, this game has earned it's fair share of criticism I feel as we see one get so much compared to this. Last Christmas was a bit of a joke, IMHO.

 

It has so much potential and there was so many promises unfulfilled that I don't think we're spoilt for wanting those realised, many bought into that, and after seeing GTA far exceed expectations and still thrive, it's only natural to want something similar here as we know it could easily have happened with more regular, beefier additions and options/flexibility etc. 

[StyxTx]

3 hours ago, Lonely-Martin said:

It has so much potential and there was so many promises unfulfilled that I don't think we're spoilt for wanting those realised, many bought into that.....

I was one who bought into it and even continued playing for 2+ years thinking they would follow through. Well, like the saying goes...... fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

[Direwrath]

You got part of that right.

Red Dead Redemption 2 story mode is perfect, the scenery is beautiful and the growth of the characters/story is sublime in my book.

 

But Online is in and of itself a different situation, the story is going to go on with a great legacy but if they don't do anything soon online is just going to fizzle out. I can enjoy the scenery and the aspects of the game playing the story without the headaches or the lack of anything to do in online.

 

And I'll be honest, if I wasn't so attached to my online gunslinger I would have stopped playing it some time ago.

[DuduLima]

For me is part of that right.

 

The main content of RDR II Story Mode, side quests, unique clothing, random activities and etc ... plus the game setup, regions and general fauna is perfect.

 

RDR Online ... even without some of the major details of the base RDR II Story Mode it still stunning, the world is amazing and etc ... I said before ... i got attached to my character (and my horses), i really like to relax in RDR Online, do some bounties in Armadillo/Tumbleweed, fish some Sturgeons in Blackwater, Hunt in the Great Plains or in the Tall Trees.

 

 

My personal RDR Online complaints are because of a concept (roles) which R* introduced and can be worked in a way which RDR Online can be better, also because of the many RDR II story mode mechanics that was either scrapped or capped to work on Online YET ...

 

The main and major reason (for me) to keep complaining is because of the hell of efforts they manage to put in GTA Online. (i can understand the game being the biggest product in the entertainment era) YET RDR II is their second biggest launch, they made similar sell numbers of GTA in it's launch and still steady, far numerous than all of the other major AAA launch in the videogame era. But/And as RDR II Online ....

 

What a F'ked up start of a Online mode, BETA was well known for it's bugs and disconnects which made everyone abandon this ship, it wasn't like GTA Online "360/PS3" launch, it was worse, so worse to make the a major update and official 1.0 Launch (which WAS far more important to the general RDRO experience in a way what Heists were to GTAO)  feels like nothing to some people around ... and thanks to R* management ...

 

Feels and looks like this game isn't going nowhere, 2021, the game still suffers to the lack of content, we got a filler update while GTA Online got a Solo-able Heist, we are without 8-9 months without a major update or role updates, YET even without major content they managed to Nerf the dailies challenges (which was one of the major ways to earn gold bars) while "adding" re-skinned clothes and horses which cost Gold Bars, OP's that lost quality, quantity and also appealed to P2W-mechanics, a role expansion which was more like a cash grab than a proper expansion to many thanks to the obscenely expensive TWENTY-ONE GOLD BARS™ Lemat Revolver variants (42 GB for two \o/ ). and the re-skins for the Bounty Wagon RDO$250-400 and 15-20 GB only skins (almost all of this already behind a paid role expansion).

 

They took more than 2 years to start to address the disconnect problems in RDR Online, PC fellas occasionally suffers with DDOS and disconnects, hackers and etc ... FINALLY they are taking a POSSIBLE effort on tracking down the hackers and etc ... 

 

I can say part of me is spoiled, yet as a adult and seeing RDR Online as a product and myself as a consumer ... can't say i'm that spoiled .... i'm seeing the same company work in 2 major products and yet one gets all the attention, support (i know it's a joke for both) and updates ... i get pissed ... i was in the goddamn day one in GTA Online, got myself suspended of the school to play that game on the launch, me and my friends were on that boat, i saw how R* worked their way on make GTA Online a Monster, they have the past learning, the tools, manpower and expertise to make RDR Online a better experience, with content to everyone from lone wolves to even PVPers and etc... yet, sometimes feels like nothing ... i said before i don't know if i can put all the fault on the actual "world situation", but thanks to R* mismanagement i will always go to the second option.

 

The only reason to keep myself in this pain train is because of my friends which plays and chill around (posses makes a better experience for RDR Online) and because of the recent address on the hacking issues.

[Krommer]

There are just so many bugs and problems with game features.

The overall impression I get is that they are not really playing the game themselves, then

making obvious quality of life improvements or fixing obvious bugs that we encounter every play session.

That is really my beef, rather than their existing game as it is.

 

For example, today I was again being session hopped and losing buffs (though not as bad as some other days.)

Why would that happen in a game they cared about?

I don't think they really play the game, or that would probably be one of the first things they'd fix; it would also irritate them.

If they can't fix constantly changing sessions, they should fix losing buffs when it happens.

 

Again, after getting out of a free roam event, all of my choices for buff items were back at the default.

So, once again, I had to adjust that to Potent Health, Potent Stamina and Potent dead eye refill tonics

and the food to Minty Big Game buff.

Why do I have to select my preferred layout every time? It makes no sense. Why doesn't it just stay where I select things

until I change it? It stays on Bow with Dynamite and Bolt rifle with High Velocity, so why can't the other things

stay?

 

Why does it hang SO often when selecting a Trader Delivery, Moonshine Delivery, Harriet Mission, Bootlegger Mission and

Moonshine Story mission? Luckily, at least on Xbox One, I discovered that if I hit "record" on the screen where Cripps/Harriet/Marcel

are talking that then the mission loads instantly (with hardly any black screen even. )  So if it does that when I hit "record" (xbox menu button (that silver one)

RB/whatever over to capture and hit "record", then can stop it if you want once it loads) why doesn't it do it anyway? That proves that it is possible.

I wonder what it is about "record" that forces it to load?

 

Example of the record thing I'm talking about, where the mission loads instantly, on Xbox One:

 

https://gtaforums.com/topic/921375-red-dead-online-videos/page/19/#comments

 

(My post at/near bottom) I discovered it by accident, since I was going to get evidence

of how I almost ALWAYS get the LOOONNNNG/timing out load screen with the spinning

revolver thing; then, because I hit record after starting the mission(s), they all instantly load instead.

This isn't a "fluke" either, since that happened I ALWAYS hit record now and they ALWAYS load fast

(the one time I forgot to, I was stuck on the loading screen for 3 minutes before I gave up.))

 

Edited April 4, 2021 by Krommer

[StyxTx]

5 hours ago, DuduLima said:

The only reason to keep myself in this pain train is because of my friends which plays and chill around (posses makes a better experience for RDR Online) and because of the recent address on the hacking issues.

They addressed the hacking issue a while back and hacking did decrease considerably but it got back to nearly as bad as it was the first time. There are ways to get those people out of the game permanently but R* doesn't seem to want to do it. I guess with the number of hackers out there it makes the number of players playing look good so they don't really want to lose those people.

5 hours ago, Krommer said:

For example, today I was again being session hopped and losing buffs (though not as bad as some other days.)

Why would that happen in a game they cared about?

I don't think they really play the game, or that would probably be one of the first things they'd fix; it would also irritate them.

If they can't fix constantly changing sessions, they should fix losing buffs when it happens.

I reported this so many times I lost count. I also asked them the same thing, fix either the lobby switching or the buff losses. Didn't matter to me which one. But it did no good. They actually ended off increasing the lobby switches.

[BUT THE BENZ]

let's face it: RDO was/is kind of cool, BUT, it would be THE sh*t if the BENZ (the man who knew how to implement "everything") and all those who left, were still around...

 

RDO simply reflects the company's state - decay, dying!

[Ring Dang Do]

14 hours ago, Bi9Daddy68 said:

All we humans seem to do is complain about Rockstar/RDRO. Myself included. But I invite you to go play another similar game title and compare. Personally I play RDRO every day, and I have always been impressed by the amount of completely beautiful art that is all around us in game, the detailed attention to the physics of every animal's behavior, (humans included), etc. I really appreciate the game RDRO even more after playing another major name brand's new release on XB1.

 

RDRO is not perfect, but it is gorgeous.

What similar game should be compare it to that has sold over 34 million copies, it’s micro transaction jumped by 124 percent during the July-September quarter last year and has the financial backing and resources of a company as big as rockstar? 

Edited April 4, 2021 by Ring Dang Do

[Bi9Daddy68]

6 hours ago, Ring Dang Do said:

What similar game should be compare it to that has sold over 34 million copies, it’s micro transaction jumped by 124 percent during the July-September quarter last year and has the financial backing and resources of a company as big as rockstar? 

I give you two examples, any Ubisoft title or any Bethesda title.

[Buddy Hightower]

20 hours ago, Bi9Daddy68 said:

All we humans seem to do is complain about Rockstar/RDRO. Myself included. But I invite you to go play another similar game title and compare. Personally I play RDRO every day, and I have always been impressed by the amount of completely beautiful art that is all around us in game, the detailed attention to the physics of every animal's behavior, (humans included), etc. I really appreciate the game RDRO even more after playing another major name brand's new release on XB1.

 

RDRO is not perfect, but it is gorgeous.

 

Yes it's a beautiful game, unfortunately it is completely void of life online.

I have a much better experience playing story-mode at end game than I do playing the online mode.

The world actually feels alive in story-mode. Just go to valentine in story-mode and online at the same time, switch back and worth between the two and see the difference.

I wish online mode could be replaced with "bring a friend along" mode. Just 2 guys in the story-mode end game doing whatever comes along.

[Lonely-Martin]

7 hours ago, Ring Dang Do said:

What similar game should be compare it to that has sold over 34 million copies, it’s micro transaction jumped by 124 percent during the July-September quarter last year and has the financial backing and resources of a company as big as rockstar? 

 

GTA:O TBH. What better example of success (in terms of popularity, longevity, and financially) is there than R*'s own proven track record, lol. (Forgive the long reply).

 

GTA:O gets so much criticism for its aging graphics, repetitive mechanics, broken stealth, overpriced content, re-skinned clothing, bugs, glitches, mod menu abuses plus griefing and/or general disruption with often criticised weaponised vehicles and a satellite of all things to blow folks up with and more. The secrecy or lack of communication is no better over there either really. The amount of aspects in GTA that get criticism is absolutely huge.

 

Yet it continues to thrive and far exceed expectations.

 

Communities particularly are in a class of their own in GTA compared to RDRO too. This game just doesn't have that widespread diversity or player control of our own game out there it feels. GTA is just so much more flexible and it appeals to all types of player and brings out the best (and worst, lol) in so many types of players/communities, from role players, race crews, stunt jumpers and BMXers, car tuners, parachuters, flight crews, PvP groups, mission runners and heisters, collectors, creators and photography/video editors too. Lone players can play in invite only or solo public and enjoy the game to its fullest, crews can take over complete lobbies to enable a peaceful session for businesses, or players can just jump into a session and blow off steam or play a game of chance out there.

 

It's not just lobby flexibility of course, it's job/mission control too and that the game has a wide range of content including plenty that came with the release of online. Take a day one race in GTA as example, players/crews can host them street races in so many ways from non-contact, to include traffic to dodge, pick the class of vehicle, to GTA style combat racing. Lone players can do hotlapping to test their cars or compare record times too (as world records are so broken). It just appeals to so many however we play over there. It's the same for any job/mission/mode really, even heists have become either solo friendly or for established teams to enjoy.

 

Plus with the latest flexible and even solo friendly heist, R* smashed it with numbers/sales again so it really does show they are leaving money on the table by being do restrictive over here.

 

We see open world/sandbox games growing so big in today's gaming, from this, GTA, or even Minecraft which goes even further into letting us make our game of things over there that I do feel R* should be doing so much more to draw more types of players and communities into this world and offer them their own space to thrive like we see elsewhere. Open worlds are what R* made their name from really with the likes of GTA/RDR, so to me at least, it feels like the company is de-evolving with RDRO to be fair. Not in terms of graphics of course, just that 'It's our game' feel.

 

I suppose if anything, having had a rethink, the OP has a point actually. Maybe after GTA:O offered so much content and freedom, many saw that (or enjoyed that so much), and just expected RDRO to continue growing with such vast and varied gaming, so yeah, maybe GTA spoiled me/others, lol.

[AmyStone]

On 4/3/2021 at 6:18 PM, Bi9Daddy68 said:

All we humans seem to do is complain about Rockstar/RDRO. Myself included. But I invite you to go play another similar game title and compare. Personally I play RDRO every day, and I have always been impressed by the amount of completely beautiful art that is all around us in game, the detailed attention to the physics of every animal's behavior, (humans included), etc. I really appreciate the game RDRO even more after playing another major name brand's new release on XB1.

 

RDRO is not perfect, but it is gorgeous.

 

I've always believed the game was made by two sets of people. There were the ones who were absolute perfectionists who built and graphics and sound. The beauty and detail is amazing. Then there's the team who designed the game mechanics who are a complete bunch of morons who really don't care. The game could have been so much more than it is. The biggest wasted opportunity in a game ever.

[BUT THE BENZ]

^ (referring to martin's post a bit above) yeah well....GTAO was developed/directed by THE BENZ. and THAT, is why you have soooo many things working in that open world. he knew how to build a propper foundation and put all those layers on it. with RDO though, without the BENZ around to oversee and figure sh*t out, it feels like R* was able to put in the minimum of layers to the core game, so the online-version wouldn't buckle under the pressure and bug/glitch out all the time.

 

you know, maybe R* wanted/wants to build a larger world in RDO, with more aspects of gameplay to it, but simply aren't capable of that. I mean, the guy the president called when darkness was everywhere....well he's not there anymore, not available, since he's building a new empire - EVERYWHERE!

 

yes, I still firmly believe that with the benz around this game would be VERY different - as in bigger & better and more diverse etc...

 

Edited April 4, 2021 by BUT THE BENZ

[Ring Dang Do]

5 hours ago, Bi9Daddy68 said:

I give you two examples, any Ubisoft title or any Bethesda title.

So which Online Bethesda title or Ubisoft title is so bad that we are spoiled gamers for complaining about RDO?
 

Rockstar got let off easy compared to other online games when the majority of RDO used to be unplayable. I still remember the zero animal spwns, never being able to start a moonshine delivery, constantly getting a black screen, moonshine shack being empty of npcs, bounty Hunter missions never loading, camp never spwning, empty lobbies, constant connection issues. I was playing Fallout 76 and The Division at the same time and had plenty more to do online than what was available in RDO. 
 

A game being visually stunning can only go a certain way, you’re completely entitled to complain about a stunning looking car if it has no engine and doesn’t take you anywhere. 
 

Rockstar knows they have the only real online game based in America’s Wild West and they are taking advantage of that as there’s no real competition in that department. 

[Van_Hellsing]

I play RDR2 online everyday. RDR2 online is more a red pill. I like the immersion. Too bad R* is not using its full potential.

 

R* is getting off the hook for a truckload of bugs like constant disconnects, achievements not counting, no wildlife spawning, moonshine shack not being accessible, infinite loading screens, camps disappering etc. This because there is no real competion in online open world games. 

 

It took R* three years to get a playable online game. Now R* can work on heists, fight clubs and purchasable real estate.

Edited April 4, 2021 by Van_Hellsing

[Do not Bogart that]

18 hours ago, DuduLima said:

For me is part of that right.

 

The main content of RDR II Story Mode, side quests, unique clothing, random activities and etc ... plus the game setup, regions and general fauna is perfect.

 

RDR Online ... even without some of the major details of the base RDR II Story Mode it still stunning, the world is amazing and etc ... I said before ... i got attached to my character (and my horses), i really like to relax in RDR Online, do some bounties in Armadillo/Tumbleweed, fish some Sturgeons in Blackwater, Hunt in the Great Plains or in the Tall Trees.

 

 

My personal RDR Online complaints are because of a concept (roles) which R* introduced and can be worked in a way which RDR Online can be better, also because of the many RDR II story mode mechanics that was either scrapped or capped to work on Online YET ...

 

The main and major reason (for me) to keep complaining is because of the hell of efforts they manage to put in GTA Online. (i can understand the game being the biggest product in the entertainment era) YET RDR II is their second biggest launch, they made similar sell numbers of GTA in it's launch and still steady, far numerous than all of the other major AAA launch in the videogame era. But/And as RDR II Online ....

 

What a F'ked up start of a Online mode, BETA was well known for it's bugs and disconnects which made everyone abandon this ship, it wasn't like GTA Online "360/PS3" launch, it was worse, so worse to make the a major update and official 1.0 Launch (which WAS far more important to the general RDRO experience in a way what Heists were to GTAO)  feels like nothing to some people around ... and thanks to R* management ...

 

Feels and looks like this game isn't going nowhere, 2021, the game still suffers to the lack of content, we got a filler update while GTA Online got a Solo-able Heist, we are without 8-9 months without a major update or role updates, YET even without major content they managed to Nerf the dailies challenges (which was one of the major ways to earn gold bars) while "adding" re-skinned clothes and horses which cost Gold Bars, OP's that lost quality, quantity and also appealed to P2W-mechanics, a role expansion which was more like a cash grab than a proper expansion to many thanks to the obscenely expensive TWENTY-ONE GOLD BARS™ Lemat Revolver variants (42 GB for two \o/ ). and the re-skins for the Bounty Wagon RDO$250-400 and 15-20 GB only skins (almost all of this already behind a paid role expansion).

 

They took more than 2 years to start to address the disconnect problems in RDR Online, PC fellas occasionally suffers with DDOS and disconnects, hackers and etc ... FINALLY they are taking a POSSIBLE effort on tracking down the hackers and etc ... 

 

I can say part of me is spoiled, yet as a adult and seeing RDR Online as a product and myself as a consumer ... can't say i'm that spoiled .... i'm seeing the same company work in 2 major products and yet one gets all the attention, support (i know it's a joke for both) and updates ... i get pissed ... i was in the goddamn day one in GTA Online, got myself suspended of the school to play that game on the launch, me and my friends were on that boat, i saw how R* worked their way on make GTA Online a Monster, they have the past learning, the tools, manpower and expertise to make RDR Online a better experience, with content to everyone from lone wolves to even PVPers and etc... yet, sometimes feels like nothing ... i said before i don't know if i can put all the fault on the actual "world situation", but thanks to R* mismanagement i will always go to the second option.

 

The only reason to keep myself in this pain train is because of my friends which plays and chill around (posses makes a better experience for RDR Online) and because of the recent address on the hacking issues.

 

Wow! I wanted to take parts out but what you said deserves my full credit! Could have been my words! Thanks.

[KristianD3]

no.

[Guns a-Blazin]

Are we the most spoiled gamers ever? In a way, yes.

 

RDR2's Story Mode was a total masterpiece. R* got every single thing right within the campaign i.e. the narrative, characters, map, gameplay etc...

 

Can we say the same thing about RDO? No, not really. The content has massively dropped off. I mean, 2020 was a joke of a year for RDO. Especially, Christmas.

 

Overall, R* need to fix up their ways and add some serious content (e.g. Guarma, Heists, Properties etc...) to the game! 

Edited April 4, 2021 by FortifiedGooner86

[Krommer]

17 minutes ago, FortifiedGooner86 said:

RDR2's Story Mode was a total masterpiece.

 

Somewhat, but a lot of the things they've put in Online are things I wish single player had; Arthur doesn't have a hunting wagon, etc.

Really, both Online and Single could greatly improve by borrowing from the other one (such as selling wagons/broke horses also in Online.)

 

I am still amazed they never made a expansion for single player (using the John Marsten character more, I'd assume), it is like they don't want to do the minimal effort for lots of free money.

I guess they must figure they are so rich from GTAO that they don't care. Additions for single player RDR2 would improve online too, like

having Mexico.

 

Even something like Undead Nightmare, in the first game, was additional fun.

Edited April 4, 2021 by Krommer

[1898]

Somewhere way back when, shortly after the game was announced, there's a quote from one of the R* honchos stating that RDR2OL was going to be an "All new multiplayer experience".  Maybe I missed it. They've also made other statements that there were going to be big things coming.  The last "massive update" involved tranquilizing animals and getting sprayed in the face with a perfume bottle.

 

Yes, visually the game is an A +++ but this about 10% of what I was expecting and Online was really the main reason I bought the game. So yeah maybe I'm a little spoiled but they kinda lied.

 

 

[eighthdoctor]

23 hours ago, DuduLima said:

The main and major reason (for me) to keep complaining is because of the hell of efforts they manage to put in GTA Online. (i can understand the game being the biggest product in the entertainment era) YET RDR II is their second biggest launch, they made similar sell numbers of GTA in it's launch and still steady, far numerous than all of the other major AAA launch in the videogame era. But/And as RDR II Online ....

 

----

 

Feels and looks like this game isn't going nowhere, 2021, the game still suffers to the lack of content, we got a filler update while GTA Online got a Solo-able Heist, we are without 8-9 months without a major update or role updates, YET even without major content they managed to Nerf the dailies challenges (which was one of the major ways to earn gold bars) while "adding" re-skinned clothes and horses which cost Gold Bars, OP's that lost quality, quantity and also appealed to P2W-mechanics, a role expansion which was more like a cash grab than a proper expansion to many thanks to the obscenely expensive TWENTY-ONE GOLD BARS™ Lemat Revolver variants (42 GB for two \o/ ). and the re-skins for the Bounty Wagon RDO$250-400 and 15-20 GB only skins (almost all of this already behind a paid role expansion).

 

They took more than 2 years to start to address the disconnect problems in RDR Online, PC fellas occasionally suffers with DDOS and disconnects, hackers and etc ... FINALLY they are taking a POSSIBLE effort on tracking down the hackers and etc ... 

 

I can say part of me is spoiled, yet as a adult and seeing RDR Online as a product and myself as a consumer ... can't say i'm that spoiled .... i'm seeing the same company work in 2 major products and yet one gets all the attention, support (i know it's a joke for both) and updates ... i get pissed ...

All of this basically. In a way, yes we are spoilt but in the case of RDO where its creators don't bother with it as much compared to their 2013 GTAO which they are still clearly favouring, those complaints are very much warranted. Especially so now that GTAO is now going to be on yet another platform when it is already on PS3, PS4, XBox etc which worries me that RDO is going to continue to suffer.

[Lonely-Martin]

15 hours ago, BUT THE BENZ said:

^ (referring to martin's post a bit above) yeah well....GTAO was developed/directed by THE BENZ. and THAT, is why you have soooo many things working in that open world. he knew how to build a propper foundation and put all those layers on it. with RDO though, without the BENZ around to oversee and figure sh*t out, it feels like R* was able to put in the minimum of layers to the core game, so the online-version wouldn't buckle under the pressure and bug/glitch out all the time.

 

you know, maybe R* wanted/wants to build a larger world in RDO, with more aspects of gameplay to it, but simply aren't capable of that. I mean, the guy the president called when darkness was everywhere....well he's not there anymore, not available, since he's building a new empire - EVERYWHERE!

 

yes, I still firmly believe that with the benz around this game would be VERY different - as in bigger & better and more diverse etc...

 

I've read plenty of your posts regarding Leslie, and to be fair/honest, I never fully bought into your view on it as I do believe that as one leaves, another could step up or even be an improvement on things. Not always of course, but it's something only time can tell and I was willing to see how it goes. But you're right, and not just with Leslie going now but other key figures that are synonymous with R* too. 

 

Must emphasise the 'could' though. Only if R*/T2 allow it or that the new person has the vision and know how. Does feel a bit like R* replaced someone with all the traits the old guard had for a yes-man though, lol.

 

I'm not 100% convinced it's a case of unable on R*'s part, it more feels like unwilling/not allowed to shine to me, probably under orders from T2 if anything. The potential is there, but just seems the company are too focused in pushing us to play this way rather than open the game up much more like GTA is and RDR could be.

[Foxwolfe]

No.

[ghostsoap01]

20 hours ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Plus with the latest flexible and even solo friendly heist, R* smashed it with numbers/sales again so it really does show they are leaving money on the table by being do restrictive over here.

 

Maybe this will be what finally makes them add in lobby types. If nothing else, R* is money driven; and this update is a good example of them catering to fans, while also making a lot of money.

[Van_Hellsing]

T2/R* is clearly focussed on money making. I am not against mtx. It is just that the player's experience is suffering.

 

Every "free" dlc in gta involves a paywall/property with upkeep. Gold prices for useless stuf in RDR2O is on the uptick. Yes, 21 gold bars for the LeMat skin. (On a sidenote, I bought two out of boredom).

[kcole4001]

I don't think we're spoiled at all.

Wanting their game to be all (well, at least some of) it could be? I honestly don't think that's asking too much, or selfish.

The same applied to GTAO, it could have been so much better.

 

Unpopular opinion: I don't think heists will fix RDO or has fixed GTAO.

The fundamental problem is that of boring & repetitive mission design, including the heists.

 

An open world game should feel like you've got choices, not just a repeatable selection of missions.

Environmental interaction, and consequence of our choices are entirely absent.

 

As it stands these 2 games are merely platforms to engage in microtransactions, and it doesn't look like anything significant is on it's way soon.

Probably not ever.

And why would they bother? People are lapping it up now, and that's all that concerns the bean counters who run the show.

[BUT THE BENZ]

4 hours ago, Lonely-Martin said:

I've read plenty of your posts regarding Leslie, and to be fair/honest, I never fully bought into your view on it as I do believe that as one leaves, another could step up or even be an improvement on things.

I totally understand that argument and most commonly this would be the case, I guess.

 

well, there's this one guy who made bread for decades and "everyone" has grown used to loving that VERY bread. but at one point the "chief baker" steps away from the bakery game, for whatever reason, and has junior baker step in and take over. quality could be the same, or better, OR worse - depends on the notes left behind, the formula that is used, HOW the formula is used, what junior has learned from the chief baker, if junior wants to go down another road or whatever- so many variables here.  btw apologies fo that horrible metaphor but it does make my point. since we now see that R* fell apart the moment the benz "left" for good.

 

and I think I'm REALLY not far off the mark when I say in the BENZ case , he was/is/will be irreplaceable. because if he truly was, then the houser snakes would have gotten away doing RDR, WITHOUT calling the benz for help in distraught panic - as they realized they CANNOT get a game done without his supervision...." OH DARKNESS....FINANCIAL MESS WE NEED TO GET OUT OF....WE NEED THE BENZ..." - that was their first attempt of getting rid of the benz, or doing projects without him, and they absolutely failed at that - y'all know the story.

 

if it wasn't for the benz RDR would have never seen the light of day, or it would have been ripped to pieces by critics and gamers alike for being a far cry from the quality known for R* games. a buggy mess, but fortunately that was not the case as the benz stepped in and turned it around and created a GOTY, a game that is amongst many gamers' top10 list for being a unique masterpiece! 

 

after the benz' departure imran sarwar stepped in taking his place. he made RDR2 happen and was responsible for RDO: I guess he did a good job at that, but I heard he's gone too by now so... that's that. who steps in next?

 

you know sometimes there's just people, that "one in a million" type, that cannot be replaced! and no matter how detailed they wrote down what they did, how they did it - in the end it cannot be done the same way. that, is the BENZ.  after all it was him and a handful of dev partners (NOT the lazy housers) who made GTA 3 happen, and shifted the future of gaming into a new direction.  dan houser just did some copy/pasta from 80's movies scripts, sam probably spilled coke in the right places to secure cash flow, but the REAL work - that was the BENZ, and his guys. all gone by now, I guess!

 

history in the making: the rise to the top, high octane production, years at the peak - and now the decline, eventually the downfall!