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So, 8-Ball also betrayed Claude?


Richie Makyura
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Richie Makyura

We know 8-Ball its asociated with the Leone's, He for sure he implanted the bomb in Last Request. It could just doing the Dirty work for money. Besides he is absent for the rest of the Game.

 

What do you think about this?

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Yeah, that's possible.

 

As we can see in Grand Theft Auto III, in Liberty City there are no friends, nobody cares for one another. 

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ThermalMoon

Pretty sad if you ask me. 8 Ball doesn't have much character in the 3D GTA games and has always been there for story purposes and no real character. Then again, 8 Ball only met Claude, Mike, and Tony for a brief period of time, so it makes sense that they are only acquaintances and not friends. I wouldn't be surprised if 8 Ball betrayed Claude, just so he wouldn't have to deal with the Leone mafia.

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Even if 8 Ball put put the bomb in the car I don't think he knew who the target was. They probably just asked him to put the bomb in the car, end of story. I can't imagine the Mafia telling him "oh by the way we are going to blow up Claude with this"

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Legomanarthur

Maybe. While 8-Ball seems to be friendly to Claude and even helped him find work, the game doesn't show much of 8-Ball so we can't really say that they are friends. All we can see is that 8-Ball trusts Claude enough to kill all the Colombians while he's rushing inside the ship. One can see this as a testament to their friendship or whatever. But then again the game isn't that deep when it comes to characters and their relationships so it all comes down to what the player thinks of 8-Ball based on his few appearances I suppose.

 

I personally don't think 8-Ball even knew about Salvatore's plan. He probably rigs vehicles on a daily basis without asking any question whatsoever. Does that mean 8-Ball wouldn't have done it if they had told him the target was Claude? I don't think so. Like Claude, 8-Ball is probably in it for the money and probably doesn't care about who he betrays. It's open to interpretation of course but at the end of the day it doesn't change much since Claude never sees him again after "Bomb Da Base" and can still support his business well after the end of the story.

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From an immersion-friendly point of view we can imagine this fictional character rigged the cheetah without knowing the target is Claude. It's too bad this part of the scenario isn't developed afterwards.

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8-Ball doesn't really have a strong chemistry at all with Claude, kind of like how less of a prominent of a character he is in liberty city stories. It just seems purely on a business level as he may have thought Claude was able to do some simple grunt work for a local strip club owner by escaping the convoy with 8-Ball. In regards to the OP point, I have to absolutely agree because If I would reference a quote from GTA Advance which springs to my mind that 8-Ball himself makes "I know the fellows at the junkyard and they wont ask questions"; this would to imply that similarly 8-Ball will be of similar position where he wouldn't ask who he is he supposed to set the bomb for. I mean at the end we only see him at the beginning and the end of the Portland saga so he doesn't really strike any betrayal with the unknowingly plan of killing Claude.

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It's obvious he tried to kill him in that mission and then Claude continue to use his garages throughout the game. :/

 

After being betrayed like that he shouldn't pay him to use his services and find other garages to go to.

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Remember, 8 Ball is in tight with the Mafia. He has a pre-existing relationship with them before the events of the game, and Fido - by contrast - is literally a guy he broke out of prison with, purely an alliance of convenience. If you're 8 Ball, who are you going to side with? Some guy you don't really know, or a vast criminal network who can both snuff you out without a second thought and routinely use your business and give you easy money?

 

So, yeah, 8 Ball definitely betrayed him. They do a good job of portraying the Mafia as a bunch of snakes, so it kind of makes sense.

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CynicalMexican

8-Ball kinda just seems like a fixer if anything. I highly doubt he knew that Salvatore planned on killing Claude. Probably some Leone goon took the car and said "just load this up, we're gonna wack a mole, boss's orders".

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Yes and no. No, because, as already others have said, he probably doesn't ask any questions for who he's rigging the bombs. And yes, because even if he knew that he was rigging the bomb for Claude, he simply wouldn't had cared about it. However, I don't think that he'd had tried to kill Claude if he knocked his door and wanted to talk about something.

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maybe he didnt knew that he's going to kill claude as others said

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On 5/31/2021 at 4:52 AM, Typhus said:

Remember, 8 Ball is in tight with the Mafia. He has a pre-existing relationship with them before the events of the game, and Fido - by contrast - is literally a guy he broke out of prison with, purely an alliance of convenience. If you're 8 Ball, who are you going to side with? Some guy you don't really know, or a vast criminal network who can both snuff you out without a second thought and routinely use your business and give you easy money?

 

So, yeah, 8 Ball definitely betrayed him. They do a good job of portraying the Mafia as a bunch of snakes, so it kind of makes sense.

I just gave it some more thought.

 

1. It should be noted that 8 Ball operates 3 bomb shops, not just 1, across Liberty City. We know than in GTA Advance he employs other people, so 8 Ball has a number of employees across the city.

 

The scenario could play out like this - the Mafia request a car bomb, and 8 Ball's employees handle it. 8 Ball might not have even known of the Mafia's request, let alone their attempt to kill Claude.

 

2. 8 Ball rigged a car bomb for the Yakuza in a mission that happened after Salvatore was assassinated. This bomb was used to bust out a Yakuza member, but 8 Ball's bomb shop still took a request from a faction directly at war with the Leones.

 

This gives more credence that 8 Ball probably has a bunch of employees handling "special requests" (remember, they probably operate as a legitimate car repair shop). He may not be aware of these requests, and probably keeps his distance for good reason.

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On 3/18/2021 at 8:25 AM, Richie Makyura said:

We know 8-Ball its asociated with the Leone's, He for sure he implanted the bomb in Last Request. It could just doing the Dirty work for money. Besides he is absent for the rest of the Game.

 

What do you think about this?

Yeah, he pretty much did.

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