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[ddarko12]

Isn't GTA IV MP still running for ps3 and xbox 360? Lol, I can't say I'm surprised but it makes me glad I moved to PC and modding. It just shows that games nowadays are just temporary and when the next newest "greatest" thing comes out, nobody cares anymore. Admittedly I don't exactly play many games on those consoles anymore but most of that has to do with many of them being backwards compatible. All I can see now is that ps4/xbone gtao now has an end date planned, probably a few years from now. It's all just worthless, and I have no intention of ever buying the new consoles, I'll just stick to PC and upgrading when needed I guess.

Edited June 16, 2021 by ddarko12

[Geisterfaust]

1 minute ago, ddarko12 said:

Isn't GTA IV MP still running for ps3 and xbox 360? Lol, I can't say I'm surprised but it makes me glad I moved to PC and modding. It just shows that games nowadays are just temporary and when the next newest "greatest" thing comes out, nobody cares anymore. Admittedly I don't exactly play many games on those consoles anymore but most of that has to do with many of them being backwards compatible. All I can see now is that ps4/xbone gtao now has an end date planned, probably a few years from now. It's all just worthless, and I have no intention of ever buying the new consoles, I'll just stick to PC and upgrading when needed I guess.

James May called, asked to pick up the sand you've left while grumbling. On a serious note, I feel you. Things these days tend to last shorter and shorter and I often feel like an old fart when bitching about it. GTA wise, though, I won't be mad to forget V when the next great thing will be released, we've seen enough of it already.

 

What's important is that the base game is available. This online is dated no matter which platform you run it and enhanced edition is just an attempt to squeeze more juice from poor old game.

 

 

[Barrtek]

3 hours ago, Crateman said:

You should post when cR7 was crying in spain when he was at the judge for evading taxes = GTA 6 beggers 

Back on topic, can we expect a juicy friday newswire ?? 

With some Dlc details?

[Spider-Vice]

GTA IV and MP3 multiplayers are far less complex beasts than GTA Online that relies on a bunch of different services to keep track of player data and such. GTA IV are just temporary lobbies pretty much. Can't even compare them, it's totally justified they're finally pulling the plug on GTAO on 15 year old platforms.

[Crateman]

27 minutes ago, _Ziolek_ said:

With some Dlc details?

Yes the upcoming DLC, or E&E...iam more interested in GTA III stuff related, so probably we Will get nothing 

Edited June 16, 2021 by Crateman

[No Homing]

Imagine R* forgetting we have a 2 week event week, and they change the event week tomorrow xD

I mean, why is it for 2 weeks? To focus on something else? But they didn't focus on anything else, lol.

Not complaining though, great event week!

[ACR]

So since some people with credibility on this forum expressed opinion that E&E won't just be 60fps maxed PC graphics for consoles, what exactly can we expect then? Better combat and gun mechanics (visual recoil, switching weapon hands in combat, crouching, human shields, instant execution when close to enemy, higher skill curve for weapon handling, but with increased damage so npcs won't be bulletsponges), improved ragdolls, different vehicle handling, more realistic weapon sounds and gore similar to RDR2, etc or just improved textures and shaders?

[Barrtek]

18 minutes ago, Crateman said:

Yes the upcoming DLC, or E&E...iam more interested in GTA III stuff related, so probably we Will get nothing 

What would you like to see in this DLC? Because we already know what the theme is. The only question is what will be in it and how it will work

Feel free to share your vision

[Spider-Vice]

12 minutes ago, ACR said:

So since some people with credibility on this forum expressed opinion that E&E won't just be 60fps maxed PC graphics for consoles, what exactly can we expect then?

It's not about credibility, it's about thinking about it - if E&E was merely maxing out the PC version, Rockstar could've done that in less than a month in code and by changing some files and released the version already. It literally says on the New Updates Newswire "new features and more" are coming.

 

The current version of RAGE that GTA Online is running on is already suffering from limitations that not even the new consoles can resolve, as not even a strong PC resolves them. Frame drops inside the casino because the casino animated images are Bink 1 videos (they don't use multi-cores to decode unlike Bink 2 used in RDR2/recent RAGE versions), frame drops in full lobbies because of an overactive, likely singlethreaded netcode as well, etc. etc.

I'm not implying GTA V E&E will look exactly like RDR2 or better, but it's not out of the cards that they can port the game to a much more recent version of the engine that uses much better engineered and modern tech, so it all looks and runs smoothly for the foreseeable future. It is the same engine after all and a lot of the feature sets are still there, just better engineered and modernised, because RAGE is being developed as time goes by. They might also be using higher quality source assets for textures, and such.

[SGT-WD]

11 minutes ago, ACR said:

So since some people with credibility on this forum expressed opinion that E&E won't just be 60fps maxed PC graphics for consoles, what exactly can we expect then? Better combat and gun mechanics (visual recoil, switching weapon hands in combat, crouching, human shields, instant execution when close to enemy, higher skill curve for weapon handling, but with increased damage so npcs won't be bulletsponges), improved ragdolls, different vehicle handling, more realistic weapon sounds and gore similar to RDR2, etc or just improved textures and shaders?

The most important thing will be imo is a more robust game with less/no bugs, a more refined one that should be able to handle more DLCs to be added without breaking the whole game, because at this moment the game won't handle many more updates

[ACR]

25 minutes ago, Spider-Vice said:

It's not about credibility, it's about thinking about it - if E&E was merely maxing out the PC version, Rockstar could've done that in less than a month in code and by changing some files and released the version already. It literally says on the New Updates Newswire "new features and more" are coming.

 

The current version of RAGE that GTA Online is running on is already suffering from limitations that not even the new consoles can resolve, as not even a strong PC resolves them. Frame drops inside the casino because the casino animated images are Bink 1 videos (they don't use multi-cores to decode unlike Bink 2 used in RDR2/recent RAGE versions), frame drops in full lobbies because of an overactive, likely singlethreaded netcode as well, etc. etc.

I'm not implying GTA V E&E will look exactly like RDR2 or better, but it's not out of the cards that they can port the game to a much more recent version of the engine that uses much better engineered and modern tech, so it all looks and runs smoothly for the foreseeable future. It is the same engine after all and a lot of the feature sets are still there, just better engineered and modernised, because RAGE is being developed as time goes by. They might also be using higher quality source assets for textures, and such.

Ok so textures and such... got it. Yea it will look better if that's the case, but at least for me that's not much if there are not other improvements like those i mentioned. They could try to improve combat to be close to Max Payne 3 for example or RDR2, having those RDR2 executions or at least those that are cut from GTA5 beta would be a huge game changer.  They got human shield mechanic in one of the missions from GTA5 story when Michael climbs IAA building, how hard would it be to implement that or dual wield. Or how Max Payne fires from the hip position when sprinting. At least for me those kind of improvements would be a lot better than eye candy. It remains to be seen how significant those changes and new features are and how much they  gonna charge for that, because having almost the same game shouldn't warrant full price of a new title.

Edited June 16, 2021 by ACR

[Neonchu]

9 hours ago, _Ziolek_ said:

What would you like to see in this DLC? Because we already know what the theme is. The only question is what will be in it and how it will work

Feel free to share your vision

3 words.

 

More.

Benny's.

Vehicles.

 

I remember in Wildbrick's twitter thread for cut content in LSSS, they mentioned that Tez found a car called "Surfer3", allegedly a Benny's variant of the Surfer but had to be cut due to suspension clipping issues that couldn't be fixed in time for the update's release.

 

Really hope we get it along with some other Benny's vehicles as well. (Also saw someone saying that there was a Bullet GT Classic, but their only source for that was that it was said by the same guy who talked about the Jester Classic being reworked for After Hours, so I'm not holding my breath for that.)

 

https://twitter.com/hcstarnes1/status/1297223695669370881?s=19

Edited June 17, 2021 by Neonchu

[Lonely-Martin]

49 minutes ago, _Ziolek_ said:

What would you like to see in this DLC? Because we already know what the theme is. The only question is what will be in it and how it will work

Feel free to share your vision

 

Dream scenario... 100 vehicle garages.

[ddarko12]

2 hours ago, Geisterfaust said:

James May called, asked to pick up the sand you've left while grumbling. On a serious note, I feel you. Things these days tend to last shorter and shorter and I often feel like an old fart when bitching about it. GTA wise, though, I won't be mad to forget V when the next great thing will be released, we've seen enough of it already.

 

What's important is that the base game is available. This online is dated no matter which platform you run it and enhanced edition is just an attempt to squeeze more juice from poor old game.

 

 

I hate that you're right.

[Tez2]

1 hour ago, ACR said:

It remains to be seen how significant those changes and new features are and how much they  gonna charge for that, because having almost the same game shouldn't warrant full price of a new title.

The standalone version for RDO sells less than the base game. The same would apply to GTAO's standalone. In fact, one console is getting it for free, so I figure the other console would have an introductory offer. I hardly think the standalone price tag would go over 20 dollars, so just grab that if you're raising concerns about the price tag of the whole package.

Edited June 16, 2021 by Tez2

[guppybunz]

1 hour ago, Lonely-Martin said:

 

Dream scenario... 100 vehicle garages.

Imagine...

 

[ACR]

4 minutes ago, Tez2 said:

The standalone version for RDO sells less than the base game. The same would apply to GTAO's standalone. In fact, one console is getting it for free, so I figure the other console would have an introductory offer. I hardly think the standalone price tag would go over 20 dollars, so just grab that if you're raising concerns about the price tag of the whole package.

Well i play on PC, so i don't know how would they handle that? If i have whole package right now would i have to purchase upgrade that i have to download or it would be separate download with options to purchase GTAO standalone or complete version? I shouldn't even ask you this because you also probably don't have that info, for the consoles it's kinda clear cut, but for PC it's different, there is no generations in the same manner as consoles. They also published article that they gonna shut down online for PS3/XBOX360, but they didn't even mentioned that PC is even gonna get E&E, just that they gonna continue support, same with the november 13th release date, PC don't have one.

[VitoCorleone1992]

13 minutes ago, Tez2 said:

The standalone version for RDO sells less than the base game. The same would apply to GTAO's standalone. In fact, one console is getting it for free, so I figure the other console would have an introductory offer. I hardly think the standalone price tag would go over 20 dollars, so just grab that if you're raising concerns about the price tag of the whole package.

 

1 hour ago, Spider-Vice said:

It's not about credibility, it's about thinking about it - if E&E was merely maxing out the PC version, Rockstar could've done that in less than a month in code and by changing some files and released the version already. It literally says on the New Updates Newswire "new features and more" are coming.

 

The current version of RAGE that GTA Online is running on is already suffering from limitations that not even the new consoles can resolve, as not even a strong PC resolves them. Frame drops inside the casino because the casino animated images are Bink 1 videos (they don't use multi-cores to decode unlike Bink 2 used in RDR2/recent RAGE versions), frame drops in full lobbies because of an overactive, likely singlethreaded netcode as well, etc. etc.

I'm not implying GTA V E&E will look exactly like RDR2 or better, but it's not out of the cards that they can port the game to a much more recent version of the engine that uses much better engineered and modern tech, so it all looks and runs smoothly for the foreseeable future. It is the same engine after all and a lot of the feature sets are still there, just better engineered and modernised, because RAGE is being developed as time goes by. They might also be using higher quality source assets for textures, and such.

 

If in the best dreams, the E&E will be all that, o dont believe that pc gamers will get the E&E for free just bcz they dont need to get a new console to get a better performance for the game that the old gen consoles can't offer bcz their limitations.

[ACR]

Just now, VitoCorleone1992 said:

 

 

If in the best dreams, the E&E will be all that, o dont believe that pc gamers will get the E&E for free just bcz they dont need to get a new console to get a better performance for the game that the old gen consoles can't offer bcz their limitations.

IMO, and i know some people here think opposite, we won't get better performance in a sense of average fps, we could get more stable performance where some sections of the map won't get fps drops like casino for example or business battle areas, but all around at least for PC it will be worse performance if they implement similar engine to RDR2, better graphics equals better hardware to maintain same performance in most of the cases. You can see how on average people with same hardware have worse performance in RDR2 compared to GTAO and i'm not even talking about full lobbies for pc, but solo public where fps should be almost identical to story mode. It will be even more noticeable because RDR is slow paced game, while GTAO require more fluidity for the fast paced action (driving, shooting, you need fluid and stable fps to pull off headshots to dispatch enemies quickly). 

So yea, i think people with average pc hardware or on the edge of minimum system requirement won't be having  good times in E&E. For me that would mean that i would have to fork 800-1000 euros minimum  for decent gaming PC to be able to reach 60fps locked and i doubt i would even be able to do that without making big compromises in terms of visuals. Not to mention trash optimization that could very well happen with every game developer.

When i think about it, i know GTAO is here to stay for a few more years, it's just better to nuke GTAO and focus on releasing GTA6 sooner, at least then i would know that getting new PC is worth it. 

[Spider-Vice]

Fully depends on the extent of the changes. It doesn't mean it'll run like RDR2 if they changed it to run on the same version, it would be still the same older game at heart even with enhanced assets (RDR2 assets are just ridiculously detailed, I'm not implying they're gonna completely remake all of GTA V's textures, models, terrain, characters), just well... enhanced and expanded.  The PC min/required specs would definitely go up, but they have done so with every new GTAO DLC anyway, even Rockstar has a disclaimer about it, that they will change over time as new content is added.

[—TheSquid—]

2 hours ago, _Ziolek_ said:

What would you like to see in this DLC? Because we already know what the theme is. The only question is what will be in it and how it will work

Feel free to share your vision

Content that can’t just be bought. I want things that take skill and effort to earn, otherwise I’ll play for a week and abandon the game after yet another update. 

[ACR]

5 minutes ago, Spider-Vice said:

Fully depends on the extent of the changes. It doesn't mean it'll run like RDR2 if they changed it to run on the same version, it would be still the same older game at heart even with enhanced assets (RDR2 assets are just ridiculously detailed, I'm not implying they're gonna completely remake all of GTA V's textures, models, terrain, characters), just well... enhanced and expanded.  The PC min/required specs would definitely go up, but they have done so with every new GTAO DLC anyway, even Rockstar has a disclaimer about it, that they will change over time as new content is added.

Yea, we'll see. Just playing Cayo Perico Island with that 40-ish fps is giving me headaches sometimes. Wouldn't want to have same experience on the whole LS map, especially while driving and shooting at multiple enemies. Would be nice to have an option to tone down graphics but to get same visuals and stable fps, but it's just wishful thinking. Who know, i could be pleasantly surprised with good optimization and visuals like graphical and performance leap from GTA4 to GTA5, former ran pretty badly for years even on high end hardware, while later was big improvement in that regard. Don't expect miracles with my aging hardware, but maybe it won't be that bad, i just wish it would remain the same or slightly improved  performance wise

[Spider-Vice]

5 minutes ago, ACR said:

Just playing Cayo Perico Island with that 40-ish fps is giving me headaches sometimes. Wouldn't want to have same experience on the whole LS map

See, the thing is, RDR2 has way more vegetation and what not and it runs nicer for me in certain areas than some areas in Cayo Perico. A lot of it is about engine optimisation too, which is mostly what I'm on about.  Cayo Perico has an absurd amount of vegetation, some of it taken from RDR2, I assume that is one of the things they're gonna do to the rest of LS, but running much better.

[VitoCorleone1992]

1 hour ago, ACR said:

IMO, and i know some people here think opposite, we won't get better performance in a sense of average fps, we could get more stable performance where some sections of the map won't get fps drops like casino for example or business battle areas, but all around at least for PC it will be worse performance if they implement similar engine to RDR2, better graphics equals better hardware to maintain same performance in most of the cases. You can see how on average people with same hardware have worse performance in RDR2 compared to GTAO and i'm not even talking about full lobbies for pc, but solo public where fps should be almost identical to story mode. It will be even more noticeable because RDR is slow paced game, while GTAO require more fluidity for the fast paced action (driving, shooting, you need fluid and stable fps to pull off headshots to dispatch enemies quickly). 

So yea, i think people with average pc hardware or on the edge of minimum system requirement won't be having  good times in E&E. For me that would mean that i would have to fork 800-1000 euros minimum  for decent gaming PC to be able to reach 60fps locked and i doubt i would even be able to do that without making big compromises in terms of visuals. Not to mention trash optimization that could very well happen with every game developer.

When i think about it, i know GTAO is here to stay for a few more years, it's just better to nuke GTAO and focus on releasing GTA6 sooner, at least then i would know that getting new PC is worth it. 

It's a good point but i wasn't commenting in that regard. All i was saying is that i have great skepticism about R* just going to give for free the E&E to PC players. We know that they are chill about console gamers, bcz there's no way that E&E works without next gen consoles, i mean, E&E was maybe essencially for those consoles. But, those consoles will not perform better than the PC's. So...that's why i say that i will not be surprised if we need to buy the game again in a new PC version. That, or R* will just ostracize the PC community for a couple of months to make sure that enough consoles will be sold (bcz maybe people would start to go to PC instead of buy a console, in order to play the new E&E version of the game) then, they can launch the PC version while their pockets are already full by console profit and what comes to PC will be some extra bucks.
 

1 hour ago, Spider-Vice said:

See, the thing is, RDR2 has way more vegetation and what not and it runs nicer for me in certain areas than some areas in Cayo Perico. A lot of it is about engine optimisation too, which is mostly what I'm on about.  Cayo Perico has an absurd amount of vegetation, some of it taken from RDR2, I assume that is one of the things they're gonna do to the rest of LS, but running much better.

Well, let's just all hope that the anti-cheating system is fixed and don't f*ck everyone here who done this week I/E sellings, bcz today i also sold one vehicle. xP Either way i recorded the selling and show my general stats, to show that i didn't do anything fishie, in case a lot of us get's unfairly banned. Let's hope that Tez was right when he said that as far as he remember the system is fixed.

Edited June 17, 2021 by VitoCorleone1992

[ACR]

5 minutes ago, VitoCorleone1992 said:

It's a good point but i wasn't commenting in that regard. All i was saying is that i have great skepticism about R* just going to give for free the E&E to PC players. We know that they are chill about console gamers, bcz there's no way that E&E works without next gen consoles, i mean, E&E was maybe essencially for those consoles. But, those consoles will not perform better than the PC's. So...that's why i say that i will not be surprised if we need to buy the game again in a new PC version. That, or R* will just ostracize the PC community for a couple of months to make sure that enough consoles will be sold (bcz maybe people would start to go to PC instead of buy a console, in order to play the new E&E version of the game) then, they can launch the PC version while their pockets are already full by console profit and what comes to PC will be some extra bucks.
 

Well, let's just all hope that the anti-cheating system is fixed and don't f*ck everyone here who done this week I/E sellings, bcz today i also sold one vehicle. xP Either way i recorded the selling and show my general stats, to show that i didn't do anything fishie, in case a lot of us get's unfairly banned. Let's hope that Tez was right when he said that as far as he remember the system is fixed.

I also suspect we will have to pay something, but question remains how much and if that price would be justifiable for some visual improvements and the same old game, also there are some ways they could even make it worse, on pc trash optimization for which only solution to have decent performance is brute forcing it with better and more expensive hardware, developers who only care about console optimization and usually release titles for consoles first have done this for years, they don't care for PC because it don't bring them high profits. Now i don't think that R* would be that unreasonable to charge full price for ''upgraded'' 8 year old game and and on PC a lot of players are playing GTAO casually and occasionally so hardcore grinders and other bunch would pay almost any price to be able to transfer their characters, but those are minority, so R* will come with some price which would be acceptable for large PC player base that would yield them biggest profits . Perhaps whole E&E with story mode would cost 30-40 bucks while online only would be around 20.

 

About I/E bonuses, i already sold around 15 high end cars, jokes aside  i think they wouldn't put them on 2x bonus for the first time after anti cheat flag incident 3-4 years ago if they didn't remove flags. CP heist solo makes everything else obsolete, so player can still earn twice or trice less in an hour selling I/E on 2x than doing CP heist solo. In the past it was kinda OP to sell vehicles for double cash bonus, but after CP heist they think it's acceptable.

[VitoCorleone1992]

17 minutes ago, ACR said:

I also suspect we will have to pay something, but question remains how much and if that price would be justifiable for some visual improvements and the same old game, also there are some ways they could even make it worse, on pc trash optimization for which only solution to have decent performance is brute forcing it with better and more expensive hardware, developers who only care about console optimization and usually release titles for consoles first have done this for years, they don't care for PC because it don't bring them high profits. Now i don't think that R* would be that unreasonable to charge full price for ''upgraded'' 8 year old game and and on PC a lot of players are playing GTAO casually and occasionally so hardcore grinders and other bunch would pay almost any price to be able to transfer their characters, but those are minority, so R* will come with some price which would be acceptable for large PC player base that would yield them biggest profits . Perhaps whole E&E with story mode would cost 30-40 bucks while online only would be around 20.

 

About I/E bonuses, i already sold around 15 high end cars, jokes aside  i think they wouldn't put them on 2x bonus for the first time after anti cheat flag incident 3-4 years ago if they didn't remove flags. CP heist solo makes everything else obsolete, so player can still earn twice or trice less in an hour selling I/E on 2x than doing CP heist solo. In the past it was kinda OP to sell vehicles for double cash bonus, but after CP heist they think it's acceptable.

Well, i will start for your last statement, yeah, i think you're right...about the I/E, it makes all the sense. I think we just need be careful, just in case, in not make more than 1M dollars in one hour. Example, you do a CP + 1 I/E car, that's more than 1M, so don't.

About the E&E...i can see this scenario: PC version being free with the cost of not going to be launched so soon. R* then would be like: "hey, you're in advantage bcz you're on pc you don't need to upgrade hardware for a better software game wise, so let's us make some more profit with consoles exclusivity for 1-2 months (hopefully not longer than that) and then you can get the game too". And i dont think the price of E&E for consoles or for PC too if it's going to be the case, will not be too much...even bcz what gives R* the most profit isn't the game itself but the shark cards, so they will invest in making a better game with E&E to attract players to buy shark cards with "very cool content", like mansions, a "new beginning" in a new city (map expansion), etc., things that they couldn't do in this current gen bcz they are in their limit. Not to mention that maybe the E&E, even more bcz GTA Online will be a separate (standalone) version of GTA V, meaning it will be a "different GTA", like a "GTA Universe", they would need to go E&E to make the necessary chances for the future of GTA Online after GTA 6, which wouldn't surprise me if will include different cities and a very big role in the connection of "gta (online) world".

[GOKI JET]

4 hours ago, _Ziolek_ said:

What would you like to see in this DLC? Because we already know what the theme is. The only question is what will be in it and how it will work

Feel free to share your vision

 

• A new heist or new mission that is as efficient as or more efficient than Solo Cayo Perico and where stealth is not the best strategy:

The fact that I'm not very good at stealth is another reason I want this, but since the implementation of cayo perico, my friends and I have been playing GTAO together less and less. I want a new heist that can be played by multiple people to motivate us all to get together and play again.

• Adding Benny's for existing models (especially older models from GTAIV and GTAV launch):

One of the biggest complaints I have about GTAO is the lack of customization options for older models.
Kuruma, Washington, Emperor, Blista, Elegy (not Elegy RH8)
I'm a little disappointed that so many attractive models get neither new customization options nor excellent upgrades at Benny's, while newer models that already have ample customization options are added to Benny's. (Not that I don't like those cars too)
I hope that the old models that have been neglected throughout the old history of GTAO will get new customization options and give us as much fun as the new models.

• Return of some of the cars from GTAIV:

There are many models that appear only in GTAIV and are not yet available in GTAV/GTAO.
The GTAIV Sentinel, GTAIV Coquette, PMP 600, Turismo, Feroci, and Uranus would be good additions.

• Benny's wheels are now available for non-Benny's cars without the use of glitches:

One of the updates I would like to see.
Needless to say, Benny's wheels have better design and modeling than the usual wheels.
This difference is especially noticeable in the low-rider type wheels, which is probably the biggest obstacle when you want to create a low-rider style car in a non-Benny's cars.
If these wheels were available for all cars, people would not need to use glitches, which are risky and require complicated procedures, such as account ban.

[aaron2997]

If there's something that needs to come in E&E, it has to be shoulder swapping. Close quarters gunfights in GTA are already a drag, but this small mechanic can make it better. 

[No Homing]

4 hours ago, Spider-Vice said:

See, the thing is, RDR2 has way more vegetation and what not and it runs nicer for me in certain areas than some areas in Cayo Perico. A lot of it is about engine optimisation too, which is mostly what I'm on about.  Cayo Perico has an absurd amount of vegetation, some of it taken from RDR2, I assume that is one of the things they're gonna do to the rest of LS, but running much better.

Titanium bushes in LS? Oh god no!

[-Interface-]

A reminder this Event Week lasts another week and the podium car ain't updating until next week Either ...

 

Weebs will be disappointed again tht it's probably not the Sultan RS .