"When GTA VI comes out, people will start loving GTA V!" SHUT. UP.

[Americana]

There is a chance that in the future there will be a Grand Theft Auto game similar to Grand Theft Auto IV. However, there is no chance there will be a game similar to any of the 3D Era Grand Theft Auto games.

 

That must be so disappointing for those who don't like modern Grand Theft Auto games, heh.

 

3D Grand Theft Auto games are iconic, so people tend to like them just because they are part of the series. However, nowadays, I see that these games are nothing special.

Edited March 11, 2021 by Americana

[Badman_]

I'd like to give my two cents about the Algonquin and Ryo conversation...

 

I don't remember ever having a debate with ChenozVlad. I don't think he ever crossed my path before (perhaps because we're into different types of subjects). My reaction to his opinion is the same reaction I'd have with almost anyone.

 

However I've already had many debates with the IV fans or the so called fair critics of GTA V or whatever. I've been here for years and I know them very well. 

 

The IV fans will, for instance, demolish a video that is pro-V for being biased, manipulative and done solely for entertaining purposes, but will incessively defend another another video that is also biased, manipulative and done solely for entertaining purposes because this such video, unlike the other, is an anti-V one.

 

The IV fans act as if they were reasonable guys, but the truth is that they are only reasonable when it suits their interests. And that's why I think they are inconsistent and hypocritical. That's also why I have a different dynamic with them.

 

Of course that not all IV fans are like that. I'd say the ones I'm talking about are more like "fanboys", but they don't like to be called this way (maybe this isn't the right term after all. I don't know).

 

Anyway, I don't mean to be hostile. This is just my personal perspective.

Edited March 11, 2021 by Wolfman_
English.

[Algonquin Assassin]

2 hours ago, Wolfman_ said:

The IV fans will, for instance, demolish a video that is pro-V for being biased, manipulative and done solely for entertaining purposes, but will incessively defend another another video that is also biased, manipulative and done solely for entertaining purposes because this such video, unlike the other, is an anti-V one.

Say what you like, but atleast we’re more proactive than saying “um well guys both videos are flawed” and we give reasons to back it up.
 

It wasn’t even really a serious debate lol. I also think it’s wrong suggest we “destroyed” the response video because we thought it was biased and manipulative.

 

That’s what you pro-GTA V guys were saying not us so nope. We think it’s weak because the content creator just done a really poor job of trying to fire back at Crowbcat focusing on insignificant things you’d expect from a newer game to have. Just because you try to take the fence sitting approach it doesn’t mean we have to.

[Niobium]

3 hours ago, Wolfman_ said:

The IV fans act as if they were reasonable guys, but the truth is that they are only reasonable when it suits their interests. And that's why I think they are inconsistent and hypocritical. That's also why I have a different dynamic with them.

 

if you're talking about crowbcat's video vs the other guy, IV fans have already stated multiple times that crowbcat was highlighting core mechanics that actually matter while that other guy's video was talking about trivial sh*t.

 

but you people just. don't. get it

[GhettoJesus]

6 hours ago, Algonquin Assassin said:

Fair point, but it’s not as I’ve never seen Vice City fans say they don’t like San Andreas or vice versa yet it’s not met as harshly.
 

Infact I know people who only like 1 or maybe 2 of the 3D era GTAs and don’t care for the rest, but it’s rare to see the “hater” tag being applied. 

Well obviously this means that the 3D era community is a lot less toxic

In all seriousness though, I'd say the passage of time plays a part in that. The last 3D era game will have been released 15 years ago later this year. The opinion of the people who dislike certain titles from the era don't matter much in hindsight. I am not saying that there aren't people who are like this but you can see how easy it is to get IV and V fans riled up. You would have a harder time agitating fans of the 3D era games with a similar thread. And the same will happen with IV and V once GTA V gets overshadowed by a new GTA. Fast forward to 2035 where we will have a GTA VI (hopefully) that has been around for a few years and everyone is playing it. No one will care about the IV vs V debate (unless VI will try to emulate IV). People will focus on the V vs VI debate.

To reflect on the original post as well.

  

On 3/9/2021 at 6:04 AM, Niobium said:

yes, some GTA IV fans have warmed up a bit to this game since it came out.

 

This is where you hit the nail on its head. Some people will warm up to certain games, some will not. Saying that everyone will or no one will isn't correct though. This is a long process that can't really be put into years, it's just something that happens as the years pass. Maybe someone 20 years from now on will replay GTA V and say "this ain't as bad as I remembered".  But I don't think the release of GTA VI has much to do with it. Maybe it will influence how some people think about older games but overall I agree with the quoted argument more than with the "GTA V will be loved once VI comes out" argument.

[Dr Busta]

There are already Millions of people who like GTA V so.....

[Ryo256]

3 hours ago, Niobium said:

if you're talking about crowbcat's video vs the other guy, IV fans have already stated multiple times that crowbcat was highlighting core mechanics that actually matter while that other guy's video was talking about trivial sh*t.

 

but you people just. don't. get it

4 hours ago, Algonquin Assassin said:

Just because you try to take the fence sitting approach it doesn’t mean we have to.

 

Pretty much this.

One word comes to my mind when reading such posts that you guys quoted: Irony.

We explain our positions (when opposition doesn't) but we're the ones "pretending to be reasonable" while the opposition "seems to be trying their best to reason with us." but all they do is fence sitting half-way through the conversation before giving us a conclusion rather then reaching it with us. Look I know everyone can't handle a heated debate but at least don't start something you can't finish.

 

4 hours ago, Algonquin Assassin said:

It wasn’t even really a serious debate lol.

Glad to know that I'm not the only one pulling my punches in these debates. It been too long since we had a good argument from GTA V apologists. At this point, we're just going through the same old surface-level arguments where people mostly bail out before we even get to the good stuff. 
 

[Algonquin Assassin]

29 minutes ago, Ryo256 said:

 

Pretty much this.

One word comes to my mind when reading such posts that you guys quoted: Irony.

We explain our positions (when opposition doesn't) but we're the ones "pretending to be reasonable" while the opposition "seems to be trying their best to reason with us." but all they do is fence sitting half-way through the conversation before giving us a conclusion rather then reaching it with us. Look I know everyone can't handle a heated debate but at least don't start something you can't finish.

 

Glad to know that I'm not the only one pulling my punches in these debates. It been too long since we had a good argument from GTA V apologists. At this point, we're just going through the same old surface-level arguments where people mostly bail out before we even get to the good stuff. 
 

Too true. At times it feels like some people just want to skip several steps of the debate like they’re not prepared to go balls in so why bother? 
 

Also just to clarify I don’t think that the response video is bad because it’s “anti-GTA IV”’. It’s bad because it doesn’t really tackle the same level as Crowbcat did by highlighting key core mechanics instead it’s as Niobium said trivial sh*t like being able to go into a tattoo parlour, sliding over a car hood or my favourite when it shows GTA V’s physics are weaker where the forces of gravity and mass don’t seem to matter.

 

 

[Ryo256]

3 minutes ago, Algonquin Assassin said:

Also just to clarify I don’t think that the response video is bad because it’s “anti-GTA IV”’. It’s bad because it doesn’t really tackle the same level as Crowbcat did by highlighting key core mechanics instead it’s as Niobium said trivial sh*t like being able to go into a tattoo parlour, sliding over a car hood or my favourite when it shows GTA V’s physics are weaker where the forces of gravity and mass don’t seem to matter.

 

 

I had a different argument. Of course no one bothered to argue against it as well so I guess it doesn't matter what we say, we're pretentious reasoning biased hypocritical fanboys defending only our interest. 

Now this is a more worthy "anti-GTA IV" video.

 

 

[Americana]

The only problem with these videos are stupid titles.

 

 

[Ryo256]

6 minutes ago, Americana said:

The only problem with these videos are stupid titles.

In my opinion, the titles are fine.

My concern is however, is the date of the video. It is released in 2017 rather than around GTA IV release time. So I guess in a way, it is likely a reaction to Crowbcat video. It also indicate that not many people believed GTA SA was better enough to actually post a similar video back in the day. It seems the dislike of GTA V is an exceptional case and that there are good number of people who agree with the idea that it is a downgrade.

Edited March 11, 2021 by Ryo256

[Americana]

I don't know, there are many videos like that when it comes to the Mafia series and they just compare these games. No need to call any of them better in the title. 

 

People can decide for themselves.

 

I respect this person's opinion, even though nothing in this video would make me believe that Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas is even 1% better than Grand Theft Auto IV.

Edited March 11, 2021 by Americana

[Ryo256]

2 minutes ago, Americana said:

I don't know, there are many videos like that when it comes to the Mafia series and they just compare these games. No need to call any of them better in the title. 

 

People can decide for themselves.

I agree but people can also adopt a position and not be neutral either. There is no need, yes but people are free to do this as well.

[Americana]

Yes, that's why I will always claim that Grand Theft Auto IV is better than any other Grand Theft Auto game. However, I have a feeling that all these videos were created to incite some kind of a flame war.

 

I don't really care about these videos, because I have my own reasons to love Grand Theft Auto IV and not like Grand Theft Auto V, or Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. These are my least favorite titles in the series, and these videos just won't change it. 

 

Just like such a video won't change any Grand Theft Auto V fan's opinion that the game they despite is better. 

Edited March 11, 2021 by Americana

[Ryo256]

4 minutes ago, Americana said:

However, I have a feeling that all these videos were created to incite some kind of a flame war.

Problem is that it's difficult to distinguish the motives. I agree most videos are intended to start a flame war or give a message of "Two can play at this game too" but let's not forget that some people have an opinion too, that is not at all neutral nor lacking controversy that they do wanna express which would lead to a flame war regardless even though it wasn't necessarily their intention.

Edited March 11, 2021 by Ryo256

[Americana]

It's pretty interesting how everyone is entitled to have their opinions as long as they don't express it publicly, haha.

 

I think it's perfectly fine to show why you love a certain game or whatever, but let's not forget how hostile people can be.

[Ryo256]

7 minutes ago, Americana said:

It's pretty interesting how everyone is entitled to have their opinions as long as they don't express it publicly, haha.

 

I think it's perfectly fine to show why you love a certain game or whatever, but let's not forget how hostile people can be.

 

 

[Americana]

Hehe, that's why the context is important. Here we can share our opinions and it shouldn't be viewed as something negative (it is by some people, though).

 

However, if I decided to create topics such as "GTA IV is better" or "GTA V is nothing when compared to GTA IV" in the Grand Theft Auto V section of the forum then it's not just my opinion, but also an attempt to start a forum flame war.

 

Just like saying "GTA IV fans always say bad things about GTA V" (and vice versa) is stupid, because it alienates the entire fanbase of the game.

Edited March 11, 2021 by Americana

[Guns a-Blazin]

GTA VI/Nostalgia won't change my opinion on V.

 

Of course, I might cut it some slack and praise some of the good things within the game (i.e. character/car customisation, dialogue, radio stations etc...) but I won't be changing my opinion on things like the main story, characters and game mechanics. That's an certainty. 

 

Now, If GTA VI turns out to be equally bad or even worse than GTA V (God, I hope not), then we (as a fanbase) have got a major problem on our hands. This whole cycle of bickering amongst each other and debating about "which game is better" will be back/worse. Plus, there will be major questions asked about R* and that is something I don't really want to see. In fact, I don't wanna see any of the things I've mentioned above but it's gonna happen if GTA VI turns out to be a major flop. I'm just stating the obvious here...

 

[Badman_]

13 hours ago, Niobium said:

if you're talking about crowbcat's video vs the other guy, IV fans have already stated multiple times that crowbcat was highlighting core mechanics that actually matter while that other guy's video was talking about trivial sh*t.

 

but you people just. don't. get it

 

And here is the proof of what I've been talking about. 
 

Case closed.

[Badman_]

9 hours ago, Ryo256 said:

I had a different argument. Of course no one bothered to argue against it as well so I guess it doesn't matter what we say, we're pretentious reasoning biased hypocritical fanboys defending only our interest. 

Now this is a more worthy "anti-GTA IV" video.

 

 

 

I don't remember where you talked about this video. I probably missed it. This video is bullocks of course, for the same reason the Crowbcat one is. GTA IV is a different game with a different concept when compared to GTA SA. I prefer GTA SA but I have my own reasons behind it.

 

And to be fair I do not think that you are one of the hypocritical/incosistent fanboys. Like I already said not all IV fans are like that.

[Fake Lilina]

Soooo...

 

What drugfest did I miss out on?

[Ryo256]

8 minutes ago, Fake Lilina said:

Soooo...

 

What drugfest did I miss out on?

Something something about usual GTA IV vs V pissing contest, Crowbcat and Rockstar worship and @ChengizVlad09 showing a power level beyond 9000, nearly wiping us all out. But thankfully we are spared and can live another day.

Edited March 11, 2021 by Ryo256

[ChengizVlad09]

Damn, I guess it's my 5 minutes of fame, lol. In all seriousness, especially despite my disapproval of anything HDU and beyond; I. F#cking. Love. Grand Theft Auto. For starters, I have couple thousands of dollars worth of merchandise and memorabilia tied to it, if such thing proves anything. I'm saying this just to point out there wouldn't be any need on spending "my hard earned bucks" on something I don't like. I've been through thick and thin when it comes to GTA; two different millenniums, four decades and all in all around 22 years in total, hence I assume there's little to no space at all for me to objectively be a "hater" of anything that has GTA logo on it.

 

With that out of the way, I'm so happy to hear someone had time to go through all those walls of text I've been compulsively pouring down, many times even erraticaly, throughout the years, thanks @Ryo256! Likewise, props to "my great adversary" @Algonquin Assassin, our mind battles were always legendary, lol.

 

I just can't hijack this thread with another wall of text, going in to deep why my stupid as$ thinks IV, V or for that matter RDR2, suck and why they are average games at their best; but I will say this; they are all disposable pieces of software intended for one use and one use only, that's why they suck hard. Beat the story and move on to the 0nline portion. That's all they have to offer; their stories, as if they were movies, not video games. They are designed with that particular thought on mind, especially V and RDR2. Rockstar hasn't deceived me with their deeply developed stories, serious, theatrical narrative and what not, when gameplay wise, those games are such a trivial nonsense. Kid's games. No replayability at all with those redundant, vulgar and dragging mechanics, systems and AI, which are all designed and targeted at younger audiences, completely.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 11, 2021 by ChengizVlad09

[Badman_]

10 minutes ago, ChengizVlad09 said:

Damn, I guess it's my 5 minutes of fame, lol. In all seriousness, especially despite my disapproval of anything HDU and beyond; I. F#cking. Love. Grand Theft Auto. For starters, I have couple thousands of dollars worth of merchandise and memorabilia tied to it, if such thing proves anything. I'm saying this just to point out there wouldn't be any need on spending "my hard earned bucks" on something I don't like. I've been through thick and thin when it comes to GTA; two different millenniums, four decades and all in all around 22 years in total, hence I assume there's little to no space at all for me to objectively be a "hater" of anything that has GTA logo on it.

 

Your opinions about the last two games are a little bit sh*tty controversial, but your passion for the franchise is really admirable.

Edited March 11, 2021 by Wolfman_

[ChengizVlad09]

Do you guys like shooters? FPS? TPS? Do you like Driving video games - doesn't matter, arcade, simulation? Well, these video game genres are amongst the most popular ones, most played, most worshipped and beloved, no doubt about it. I grew up playing dozens upon dozens of titles from those genres, hell, I play them as well as their sequels even nowadays. If you are - not like me - but just like dozens of million of people, you might have the same interest. There's no doubt in my mind one of the reasons we all fell in love with Grand Theft Auto is - and it just might be the thing of the subconsious mind - having that glorious combination merged in to one amazing thing. Add the open world as the encompassing factor to that and it's a helluva trio.

 

Why in the hell are IV, V, RDR2 so tragically lame when you take each of these elements, these fundamental building blocks of the open world dissect it all and actually engage with - both driving and shooting? Why there are no real enemies - except from what the story part is trying to convince us of? 

 

Having below par shooting and driving mechanics throughout all these titles goes amazingly well with having no real enemies inside the free roam gameplay of the open world of HDU GTAs. That's why every single one of these can be called a "kid's game." Tell me, what f#cking challenge have you ever had playing those games? What sort of any kind of accomplishment did you feel by beating any kind of quest, free-roam or scripted missions wise? Did you ever feel any kind of thrill, thinking; "wtf is going on here, this is nuts!". 

 

I personally have never felt anything other but disappointment when it comes to these 3 as the biggest, modern R* titles. IV showed some promise with its shooting mechanics, not gonna lie, it actually felt like shooting from a real shot gun or assault rifle. Add Euphoria's ragdoll physics to it, and some fun was barely peaking from the horizon. Having no real enemies sealed the deal for me though, it was just that; cool ragdoll physics. I must add, having scripted animations could be better in many instances, sometimes those ragdoll things look, feel and behave way too exaggearting, kinda brakes the immersion a bit. That's the only good thing I can objectively come up when it comes to raw, free-roam gameplay. Driving as well as riding, accompanied with shooting and a top of it all, having no real polygon to put it to the test, no real enemies to try it all out on, in all these titles, seems like the work of some unknown indie studio in the end. Are you freaking kidding me? I do not have, not the slightest intent to offend anyone's taste, but I envy you guys for liking anything of that. Baddest gunslingers of the west or the most powerful mercenaries of the modern times are nothing but fancy cutscene facade pulled over the raw gameplay in order to give the wrong impression that we actually have some real enemies to take on. Let me tell you one thing. That fakest of the fake "cover" system enemies have, is probably the most immersion braking thing in any game. Don't get me started with that auto aim in V. Is that the best they can come up with? It is ridic(k)ulous. Who are they fooling? I mean both the enemies as well as the creators. Enemies are retarded sitting ducks, which we can take out blindfolded, with those paintball physics weapons, while we drive or ride backwards. Anyway, want to drive some super car? Don't bother, try any one of them, both in IV or V, they all behave the same, more or less. In one instance, they wobble and in the other you only have to simply contemplate of braking and you've come to a full stop already. One has a "moon" like physics and the other have bricks with no body roll what so ever. Don't tell me those two fundamental parts of Grand Theft Auto aren't meant for kids with the mechanics they have for shooting and driving. They aren't meant to be 'casual' in nature, they are bad in design, entirely. 

 

Did you ever play Doom Eternal? That game is not a kid's game. It has easily the smartest gameplay design matched by nothing in FPS genre. Even beyond to a great extent. That's the type of game you say: " what the f#ck is going on, goddamn! " while playing on Nightmare mode. That's the type of game which reminded me of 3DU GTA games and their thrill of the chase while being infront of the FIB cars, laughing my as$ off seeing how off the top and brutal they are in their effort to run me down and flatten me out. No amount of sophisticated systems IV or V have, tied to their "wanted systems" that can match the thrill of chase in any of the 3DU games. Honestly, all those ' sophisticated ' systems ultimatelly makes it grindy. Can't remember the time when I didn't think, " ah, crap, not this boring thing again ", I have to fool myself something important is going on while watching "fake", scripted behaviour from cops while searching for me, seemengly not knowing where I am and always closing in on me without any mistake. That's the best it can do.

 

HDU games mostly have cool looking guns for example, they sound nice too. As well as cars, but not in V. Can't stand those fake, Chinese looking rip off's, sounding like vacuum cleaners. I won't miss the chance to say hello to the psychopat(s) behind the ingenious design of forcing us to repeatedly tap the dedicated button in order to make a horse gallop in RDR2. That game even pushed the limits with being straight broken in many of the main compartments which somewhat indicates GTA VI could pick up from where RDR2 left off, as the next R title.

 

No "WOW" factor with these fakes. Hell, no pulse whatsoever in any one of them in many instances as well. I honestly envy you guys for even thinking any good of them, let alone loving them. I really do. I'm not writing these damned walls of text in order to be controversial. Or end up being enlightened. Nor am I ' opening ' your eyes. I'm doing it for the sake of the healthy debate and above anything else, out of my love for the franchise. It's not simply the " Old school " vs the " Modern ". I try my utmost to be objective and please be free to hit me back with anything objective as well. 

Edited March 12, 2021 by ChengizVlad09

[Algonquin Assassin]

1 hour ago, ChengizVlad09 said:

Do you guys like shooters? FPS? TPS? Do you like Driving video games - doesn't matter, arcade, simulation? Well, these video game genres are amongst the most popular ones, most played, most worshipped and beloved, no doubt about it. I grew up playing dozens upon dozens of titles from those genres, hell, I play them as well as their sequels even nowadays. If you are - not like me - but just like dozens of million of people, you might have the same interest. There's no doubt in my mind one of the reasons we all fell in love with Grand Theft Auto is - and it just might be the thing of the subconsious mind - having that glorious combination merged in to one amazing thing. Add the open world as the encompassing factor to that and it's a helluva trio.

 

Why in the hell are IV, V, RDR2 so tragically lame when you take each of these elements, these fundamental building blocks of the open world dissect it all and actually engage with - both driving and shooting? Why there are no real enemies - except from what the story part is trying to convince us of? 

 

Having below par shooting and driving mechanics throughout all these titles goes amazingly well with having no real enemies inside the free roam gameplay of the open world of HDU GTAs. That's why every single one of these can be called a "kid's game." Tell me, what f#cking challenge have you ever had playing those games? What sort of any kind of accomplishment did you feel by beating any kind of quest, free-roam or scripted missions wise? Did you ever feel any kind of thrill, thinking; "wtf is going on here, this is nuts!". 

 

I personally have never felt anything other but disappointment when it comes to these 3 as the biggest, modern R* titles. IV showed some promise with its shooting mechanics, not gonna lie, it actually felt like shooting from a real shot gun or assault rifle. Add Euphoria's ragdoll physics to it, and some fun was barely peaking from the horizon. Having no real enemies sealed the deal for me though, it was just that; cool ragdoll physics. I must add, having scripted animations could be better in many instances, sometimes those ragdoll things look, feel and behave way too exaggearting, kinda brakes the immersion a bit. That's the only good thing I can objectively come up when it comes to raw, free-roam gameplay. Driving as well as riding, accompanied with shooting and a top of it all, having no real polygon to put it to the test, no real enemies to try it all out on, in all these titles, seems like the work of some unknown indie studio in the end. Are you freaking kidding me? I do not have, not the slightest intent to offend anyone's taste, but I envy you guys for liking anything of that. Baddest gunslingers of the west or the most powerful mercenaries of the modern times are nothing but fancy cutscene facade pulled over the raw gameplay in order to give the wrong impression that we actually have some real enemies to take on. Let me tell you one thing. That fakest of the fake "cover" system enemies have, is probably the most immersion braking thing in any game. Don't get me started with that auto aim in V. Is that the beat they can come up with? It is ridic(k)ulous. Who are they fooling? I mean both the enemies as well as the creators. Enemies are retarded sitting ducks, which we can take out blindfolded, with those paintball physics weapons, while we drive or ride backwards. Anyway, want to drive some super car? Don't bother, try any one of them, both in IV or V, they all behave the same, more or less. In one instance, they wobble and in the other you only have to simply contemplate of braking and you've come to a full stop already. One has a "moon" like physics and the other have bricks with no body roll what so ever. Don't tell me those two fundamental parts of Grand Theft Auto aren't meant for kids with the mechanics they have for shooting and driving. They aren't meant to be 'casual' in nature, they are bad in design, entirely. 

 

Did you ever play Doom Eternal? That game is not a kid's game. It has easily the smartest gameplay design matched by nothing in FPS genre. Even beyond to a great extent. That's the type of game you say: " what the f#ck is going on, goddamn! " while playing on Nightmare mode. That's the type of game which reminded me of 3DU GTA games and their thrill of the chase while being infront of the FIB cars, laughing my as$ off seeing how off the top and brutal they are in their effort to run me down and flatten me out. No amount of sophisticated systems IV or V have, tied to their "wanted systems" that can match the thrill of chase in any of the 3DU games. Honestly, all those ' sophisticated ' systems ultimatelly makes it grindy. Can't remember the time when I didn't think, " ah, crap, not this boring thing again ", I have to fool myself something important is going on while watching "fake", scripted behaviour from cops while searching for me, seemengly not knowing where I am and always closing in on me without any mistake. That's the best it can do.

 

HDU games mostly have cool looking guns for example, they sound nice too. As well as cars, but not in V. Can't stand those fake, Chinese looking rip off's, sounding like vacuum cleaners. I won't miss the chance to say hello to the psychopat(s) behind the ingenious design of forcing us repeatedly tap the dedicated button in order to make a horse gallop in RDR2. That game even pushed the limits with being straight broken in many of the main compartments which somewhat indicates GTA VI could pick up from where RDR2 left off, as the next R title.

 

No "WOW" factor with these fakes. Hell, no pulse whatsoever in any one of them in many instances as well. I honestly envy you guys for even thinking any good of them, let alone loving them. I really do. I'm not writing these damned walls of text in order to be controversial. Or end up being enlightened. Nor am I ' opening ' your eyes. I'm doing it for the sake of the healthy debate and above anything else, out of my love for the franchise. It's not simply the " Old school " vs the " Modern ". I try my utmost to be objective and please be free to hit me back with anything objective as well. 

 

Good points, but I don't think you should feel envious of other peoples' tastes. I wont cover all of this as I'm currently busy, but on your point about GTA IV's shooting/police chases. Uh this is easily one of the best parts of GTA IV for me. I've always disliked the shooting mechanics of 3D era GTA games as they just weren't very fun to have a shootout in. Manual aim especially is terrible. GTA IV fixed all of that IMO to the point that I enjoy it as much as most dedicated shooters. Sure some of the enemy reactions can be a little exaggerated at times, but I still find that more preferable where 3D era enemies never really reacted to anything. The fact they also take cover is better than them standing out in the open like ducks waiting to be shot. GTA IV really shines in its close quarters gunfights though. Some of the most thrilling and brutally intense moments I've ever experienced in a video game.

 

Onto police chases. The change to an escape radius was long overdue as the 3D era wanted system was horribly dated by 2007.  While I don't consider the chases in GTA IV to be that challenging I think it has a good balance. Just racing to a pay and spray on a high wanted level hoping the cops don't see me go in has provided me with plenty of white knuckle moments and sweat exertion (Not kidding lol. Sometimes I grip my controller so hard I fear I might break it).

 

It's good to express your love for the franchise. As I said think we have both have a similar amount of experience. My first GTA was GTA 1 and I've been through all the same ups and downs you have. Even if I don't agree with everything you said I can still relate. I'm really not a fan of some of R*'s business pratices (GTAO and RDO) and their approach to game design (Overly restrictive) so on that front I agree. Still GTA IV and RDR2 are two of the best games I've ever had the pleasure to play. GTA V isn't held that high up in esteem, but it's still good.

Edited March 12, 2021 by Algonquin Assassin

[Fake Lilina]

5 hours ago, Ryo256 said:

Something something about usual GTA IV vs V pissing contest, Crowbcat and Rockstar worship and @ChengizVlad09 showing a power level beyond 9000, nearly wiping us all out.

I'm speechless...

[watersgta3]

I'm gonna make my reply more concise. I definitely agree with OP here. But one thing we all can agree with is that at least the GTA fans aren't as bad as the Sonic the Hedgehog fandom.

[Ryo256]

9 hours ago, Fake Lilina said:

I'm speechless...