"When GTA VI comes out, people will start loving GTA V!" SHUT. UP.

[Dante De Niro]

15 hours ago, Western Gunslinger said:

RDR2 ends up being terribly broken

what? which rdr2 did you played? because it's different from mine that's for sure

 

15 hours ago, Western Gunslinger said:

well, RDR2 ends up being terribly broken without any new content added, and RDO has the same predatory monetization as GTA Online yet so lacking in content. so no, RDR2 failed to redeem R* for me

So... RDR2 didn't redeem R* because it didn't have an expansion and the online mode of the game have toxic microtransactions..... Dude, please. RDR2 have one of the best single-player experiences that Rockstar has ever made (IMO the best single-player experience made by Rockstar) and the reason why you think that it didn't redeem R* is because of reasons that don't influence your experience with the game at all? 

[Algonquin Assassin]

1 hour ago, TrueGamer said:

Well if GTA 6 was online only that will probably be a valid reason to hate the game.

Absolutely. If GTA VI was online only I seriously wouldn’t buy it. No siree.

 

But that still wouldn’t make me forgive/forget some of GTA V’s glaring issues.

[Excalibur Voltaire]

29 minutes ago, dantedenirodeniro said:

what? which rdr2 did you played? because it's different from mine that's for sure

The RDR2 that was constantly gets more buggier the more patches it gets

 

24 minutes ago, dantedenirodeniro said:

RDR2 didn't redeem R* because it didn't have an expansion and the online mode of the game have toxic microtransactions

RDR2 itself managed to redeem R*, but then they had to ruin it by breaking the game and not adding any significant content

 

But still, I enjoyed RDR2

 

24 minutes ago, RenegadeAngel said:

the members of ''The Church of Leslie Benzies of Latter-day Saints'' are at it again  

What?

[Dante De Niro]

1 hour ago, Western Gunslinger said:

RDR2 itself managed to redeem R*, but then they had to ruin it by breaking the game and not adding any significant content

Ahhh alright, I thought you were saying that the core RDR2 was bad somehow. Yeah, i agree with you. Rockstar basically created a piece of art and said "Nah, that's TOO good, let's sh*t on it a little bit"

Edited March 10, 2021 by dantedenirodeniro

[Excalibur Voltaire]

4 minutes ago, dantedenirodeniro said:

Rockstar basically created a piece of art and said "Nah, that's TOO good, let's sh*t on it a little bit"

couldn't have said it better myself

[ChengizVlad09]

Lol. GTA V is kid's game. Except for decent graphics and overall pretty neat architectural design (Los Santos wise, map layout is the worst, actually), V has nothing worthwhile to put on the table. Strip away that overdramatized story with only a couple of fairly decent missions and that game has nothing serious to offer. Boring as hell. I count on VI to be equally lame, but hardly worse than that piece of crap. Although, I wouldn't be surprised to see it suck even bigger balls than V, considering the trends T2 and R* are suffering from. Further on, I can say mostly the same things for IV. They both follow the same formula of boring, uninteresting, grindy, unsurprising and and above all else, overglorified. Zero replayability with those two when it comes to gameplay. 

It would be a cold day in hell before I would even called them decent, let alone good games. Especially V.

Edited March 10, 2021 by ChengizVlad09

[Ondr4H]

Im playing 3D era games more than GTA V . Obviously DVD versions.

And I would play GTA IV even more, but some manager tell programmers to butcher complete edition ...

They are expecting money from me, and I expecting something from them...

[killdrivetheftvehicle]

I used to love SA, now I've played it so many times I don't want to anymore. It's been a while since I played IV and It's my favourite. But I like V too. Not too keen on the multiplayer tho.

 

They are all different. In SA you get to experience an unrealistic but fun story about a black dude first time in gaming history, get to see the 3D universe version of SA, a whole state, you can go anywhere and there's no invisible boundaries.

 

Then in IV you get more realistic story of an immigrant, but you have limitations: you are an assassin, and you can't go anywhere else than Liberty City and Alderney. You can't do firefighting or paramedic missions, because it's not realistic. And because it's always October in GTA, you can't do triathlons. The mechanics are more realistic, although it seems that people are just more clumsy in IV. All the cars drive like american cars from the 1950's regardless of how old they are, but you get used to all of that, and start to like it. You play the game more, and you start to like the characters and get into the story. And the story is it.

 

Come GTA V and you think wow they actually have countryside there too. And animals. It's like RDR but in modern setting. In a way it's GTA IV part deux as well, because of the same vehicles popping up again. But this time all the cars don't drive the same. You can't apply the same logic as before to the cars. They broke it! But as you play the story, you get used to how the vehicles handle, and you don't care about it so much anymore. The story is epic again. But after the story is over you think: that was it, the game you waited for so long, and then you played the story so fast. But there are sidequests that you should play, because they made them into the game. There weren't as many side quests in SA, not side missions with mocap and voiceacting. To this day I haven't 100% ed the game. I might one day, just for the heck of it. And after that It might be my favourite game.

 

See how a SA lover turned into IV lover might one day become V lover?

[Lioshenka]

On 3/9/2021 at 3:37 PM, RedDagger said:

One example here could be driving mechanics: GTA IV was often lambasted when it was the newest GTA game for being all boaty and hard to control, then when GTA V released, many people realised a new-found appreciation for non-arcadey driving physics - me included.

I am far from being a GTA IV fan - in fact, if anyone bothers to look up my ancient posts on the topic they will find numerous instances of me complaining about the GTA IV driving mechanics, where the cars handled like boats on wheels on tarmac, and off tarmac it felt like driving on ice.

 

Then GTA 5 came out, and in it you were able to drive any sports car to the top of any mountain by pretty much just holding the Forward key.

 

I mean, I still loathe either way of vehicle handling. I don't suddenly like GTA 4 significantly more just because it's older, and my dislike of GTA 5 driving mechanics isn't going to go away if GTA 6 comes out, regardless if it's good or not.

 

Having said that, I dislike GTA 4 a bit less now for reasons unrelated to driving mechanics. In fact, it was only in the past few years that I started to really hate GTA 5 (e.g. I didn't hate it when it first came out, so the OP's argument is invalid in my case). I started hating it because of nearly a decade of having to face the same issues over and over again, and instead of fixing them via patches R* only created new ones. I actually hate GTA 6 before it even came out, purely because of my experience with GTA 5.

 

I have an interesting thing for the older GTAs: when at work or out and about I often think how nice it would be to get home/or when it's the week-end to launch a game and play it, and I imagine the locations I'll visit, and things I'll do. I did it with 3, VC, SA and IV. I temporarily lost interest to some of the games, and haven't even played IV that much, but I still had those thoughts about the games. I am embarassed to admit that I do dream about IV way more often than 3 and VC combined.

 

But with GTA 5 I never had this thinking of wanting to play it. It's like the whole concept of the map/story/physics - whatever - is flawed and doesn't appeal to me. No amount of GTA 6 is really going to change it.

Edited March 10, 2021 by Lioshenka

[Dante De Niro]

1 hour ago, ChengizVlad09 said:

V has nothing worthwhile to put on the table.

lol that's what i'm talking about when i mention unrealistic or blind hate upon gta v on this forum

[Badman_]

Maybe time and nostalgia are having an effect torwards GTA IV. I see many people saying nowadays that IV is an unanimous classic and even the definitive GTA, but if remember well it didn't have such an legendary reputation when it was released. Yes it was a great game, but there were many incisive criticisms about it (just like GTA V nowadays).

[Ryo256]

3 hours ago, dantedenirodeniro said:

lol that's what i'm talking about when i mention unrealistic or blind hate upon gta v on this forum

You jump right in to talk about poor little GTA V without mentioning that GTA IV wasn't spared in that post either.

Also @ChengizVlad09 is no hater. They have very interesting opinion about modern Rockstar games in general that I respect. Unrealistic and blind is not what I would use to describe it.

 

Edited March 10, 2021 by Ryo256

[Dante De Niro]

1 minute ago, Ryo256 said:

Right jumping to talk about poor little GTA V without mentioning that GTA IV wasn't spared in that post either.

Also @ChengizVlad09 is no hater. They have very interesting opinion about modern Rockstar games in general that I respect. Unrealistic and blind is not what I would use to describe it.

 

Didn't see anyone out there saying that GTA IV has nothing worthwhile or something like that.

[Ryo256]

Just now, dantedenirodeniro said:

Didn't see anyone out there saying that GTA IV has nothing worthwhile or something like that.

Then allow me to read it to you:
 

5 hours ago, ChengizVlad09 said:

Further on, I can say mostly the same things for IV. They both follow the same formula of boring, uninteresting, grindy, unsurprising and and above all else, overglorified. Zero replayability with those two when it comes to gameplay. 

It would be a cold day in hell before I would even called them decent, let alone good games. Especially V.

 

[Dante De Niro]

Just now, Ryo256 said:

Then allow me to read it to you:

Thank you, sir! Very kind of you 

[Ryo256]

1 minute ago, dantedenirodeniro said:

Thank you, sir! Very kind of you 

Think nothing of it, my good man and have a jolly good day sir!

[Dante De Niro]

8 minutes ago, Ryo256 said:

Also @ChengizVlad09 is no hater.

He's a soulless crackhead

Edited March 10, 2021 by dantedenirodeniro

[Ryo256]

8 minutes ago, dantedenirodeniro said:

He's a soulless crackhead

Wait until you hear about their view on RDR2.  

[Badman_]

He's free to think whatever he wants to think but to say that IV, V and RDR2 are not even decent games is a little bit too radical for me. It's like saying that rock music died with the Beatles.

Edited March 10, 2021 by Wolfman_

[Ryo256]

Just now, RenegadeAngel said:

Avid 3d era games fans like that guy are gonna have a hard time enjoying GTA VI and modern AAA gaming in general. Gaming has turned into a completely different medium since SA and there's no way back.

Assuming they are in the market to enjoy any more Rockstar games or modern AAA gaming in general......

Some people are quite content with older games and they will take them to the grave. This is why I find such fans to be very interesting and they have my respect.

[Badman_]

I was trying to read his post and I stopped at "GTA V is kid's game". Sorry but I just strongly disagree with this way of thinking.

[Ryo256]

2 minutes ago, Wolfman_ said:

I was trying to read his post and I stopped at "GTA V is kid's game". Sorry but I just strongly disagree with this way of thinking.

Oh well, the beauty of this forum is the exotic opinions. While I may not entirely agree with the post either but I know where they are coming from and understanding different mindsets is very interesting to me personally. 

[Ryo256]

6 minutes ago, RenegadeAngel said:

The man's coming from an entirely different school of gaming philosophy 

It is always a humbling experience when you are having a heated debate of IV vs V vs RDR2 and then someone with similar philosophy drops by and tell us that they all suck. And amazingly enough, they will walk the talk too.....where do these people get such balls, I would never know. 

Edited March 10, 2021 by Ryo256

[Americana]

8 hours ago, Algonquin Assassin said:

Absolutely. If GTA VI was online only I seriously wouldn’t buy it. No siree.

 

Another reason for me: Grand Theft Auto VI being set in the future. 

[Dante De Niro]

37 minutes ago, Ryo256 said:

Wait until you hear about their view on RDR2.  

No f*cking way 

[Algonquin Assassin]

2 hours ago, Ryo256 said:

Also @ChengizVlad09 is no hater. They have very interesting opinion about modern Rockstar games in general that I respect. Unrealistic and blind is not what I would use to describe it.

 

I like ChenozVlad09, but I have to admit it's an interesting dynamic. I've seen people being called "haters" for a lot less when they've criticised GTA V. Obviously he doesn't like either game and that's fine, but often I find it pretty funny how people don't seem to mind when non-GTA IV fans tear GTA V a new one, but when GTA IV fans do they're treated like the worst human beings alive lol. 

 

And honestly as much I criticise GTA V calling it anything less than decent is a bit low, but I guess opinions.

[Ryo256]

6 minutes ago, Algonquin Assassin said:

 

I like ChenozVlad09, but I have to admit it's an interesting dynamic. I've seen people being called "haters" for a lot less when they've criticised GTA V. Obviously he doesn't like either game and that's fine, but often I find it pretty funny how people don't seem to mind when non-GTA IV fans tear GTA V a new one, but when GTA IV fans do they're treated like the worst human beings alive lol. 

 

And honestly as much I criticise GTA V calling it anything less than decent is a bit low, but I guess opinions.

I value the consistency in the dynamic. People like Chengiz don't like any of the modern R* games including RDR2 let alone just IV and V. Because I believe there is a pattern that IV, V and RDR2 share and find it remarkable when people can see that....but Chengiz goes one step further and then find it to be not impressive, rejecting the pattern. It's a very interesting point of view, a bit alienating perhaps but respectable IMO.

Edited March 10, 2021 by Ryo256

[Algonquin Assassin]

2 minutes ago, Ryo256 said:

 I value the consistency in the dynamic. People like Chengiz don't like any of the modern R* games including RDR2 let alone just IV and V. Because I believe there is a pattern that IV, V and RDR2 share and find it remarkable when people can see that....but Chengiz goes one step further and then find it to be not impressive, rejecting the pattern. It's a very interesting point of view, a bit alienating perhaps but respectable IMO.

 

I get what you're saying, but what if this was a GTA IV/GTA V fan who didn't like any of the 3D era GTAs (or any of R*'s older games for that matter) and only liked modern R* games? Things wouldn't be so rosey. I respect he stays true to his principles and is consistent, but sometimes it comes off as a bit disgruntled "get off my lawn" and I speak as someone who has probably has similar amount of experience with R*'s games as he does since their inception.

 

I mean if any GTA IV fan started their post with "GTA V is a kid's game" they would ripped to shreds and I'm not saying people should call him a "hater" not at all, but I just find it interesting that the tolerance seems to shift based on what that person likes/dislikes.

[Ryo256]

18 minutes ago, Algonquin Assassin said:

 

I get what you're saying, but what if this was a GTA IV/GTA V fan who didn't like any of the 3D era GTAs (or any of R*'s older games for that matter) and only liked modern R* games? Things wouldn't be so rosey. I respect he stays true to his principles and is consistent, but sometimes it comes off as a bit disgruntled "get off my lawn" and I speak as someone who has probably has similar amount of experience with R*'s games as he does since their inception.

 

I mean if any GTA IV fan started their post with "GTA V is a kid's game" they would ripped to shreds and I'm not saying people should call him a "hater" not at all, but I just find it interesting that the tolerance seems to shift based on what that person likes/dislikes.

I think the premise of GTA IV fan dissing V comes off with a harsh response because GTA V fans argue that both games are basically of same value or close, only different. So for GTA IV fans come off, inconsistent and hypocritical for not liking one part of the "same" thing while loving the other. It's why Chengz doesn't get much of similar response because he rejects the entire modern R* work rather than just one part of it.

As for 3D series argument, I can't speak for others but I'm fine with people who like none of the 3D games but all of the modern ones. Though its difficult to imagine since everyone has at least one favorite 3D era game but I imagine it will be a case soon when 3D era games start dying out and its totally reasonable for next generation of gamers to never look at them and prefer IV, V, RDR1 and RDR2 only.

Edited March 11, 2021 by Ryo256

[Algonquin Assassin]

1 hour ago, Ryo256 said:

I think the premise of GTA IV fan dissing V comes off with a harsh response because GTA V fans argue that both games are basically of same value or close, only different. So for GTA IV fans come off, inconsistent and hypocritical for not liking one part of the "same" thing while loving the other. It's why Chengz doesn't get much of similar response because he rejects the entire modern R* work rather than just one part of it..

Fair point, but it’s not as I’ve never seen Vice City fans say they don’t like San Andreas or vice versa yet it’s not met as harshly.
 

Infact I know people who only like 1 or maybe 2 of the 3D era GTAs and don’t care for the rest, but it’s rare to see the “hater” tag being applied. 

 

1 hour ago, Ryo256 said:

As for 3D series argument, I can't speak for others but I'm fine with people who like none of the 3D games but all of the modern ones. Though its difficult to imagine since everyone has at least one favorite 3D era game but I imagine it will be a case soon when 3D era games start dying out and its totally reasonable for next generation of gamers to never look at them and prefer IV, V, RDR1 and RDR2 only.

I know, but it was purely just a hypothetical question. I can’t imagine someone who only likes modern R* games and dislikes all of the older ones would be met with the most welcoming response if they made the same level of critical analysis Chengz normally does with GTA IV, GTA V, RDR2 and so on. Someone calling those games kids games and anything less than decent wouldn’t go down well. I know it wouldn’t.

 

In saying that I don’t mean to single him out. I actually agree with alot of his points (but not others) however it just got me thinking because there’s been a lot chatter over last few weeks/months about GTA V getting “hate” yet this reminds me some of GTA V’s harshest critics don’t care for GTA IV either so it’s far away from the “GTA IV fanboys are the villains spreading the GTA V hate” like some people make it seem.

Edited March 11, 2021 by Algonquin Assassin