"When GTA VI comes out, people will start loving GTA V!" SHUT. UP.

[Niobium]

i will probably get a lot of flak for this, but i don't care. this thread needs to be created.

 

since GTA V has been released, i keep seeing comments on the internet talking about how people loved SA and hated IV when IV came out, and people started loving IV and hating V when V came out. therefore, people will love V and hate VI when VI comes out. this is completely preposterous.

 

who are these "people" who hated IV and loved SA, then hated V and loved IV? who are these "people" that V fanboys keep mentioning?

 

there are SA fans who still hate IV to this day even after V came out. GTA V's release seems to have not affected their opinions on GTA IV at all. they still think it's boring, bland, gray, the driving is too hard, the missions too repetitive, whatever. GTA V did not change their minds.

 

then there are IV fans. some of them like SA, but others didn't like the game because of the over-the-topness. for example, they did not like CJ breaking into a military base and stealing a jetpack. i doubt those are the people who "loved SA and hated IV when IV came out, and now hate V and love IV when V came out." how can they have "loved SA and hated IV" when they did not like SA in the first place?

 

so who are these "people"? who? it should be obvious that these "people" who loved SA and hated IV when IV came out, and started loving IV and hating V when V came out don't exist in any meaningful way. it's ridiculous to assume there are those who are flipping their opinions in between game releases, because SA and IV are different games that appeal to different people for different reasons.

 

speaking personally, i am not one of those "people" who "loved SA and hated IV when IV came out, and now hate V and love IV when V came out.". i enjoyed SA as a kid (even though i was probably too young to be playing that game lol), but when IV came out, i didn't start hating it. in fact, i loved it the moment i played it. i used to take turns with my friends jumping out of a helicopter, those were fun times. i fell in love with TLAD on my PS3 EFLC disc. johnny's character resonated with me. completing TLAD only made me want more of IV and so i finally completed its long-ass campaign. not once did i hate IV just because i also loved SA. i feel confident in saying that there are many others like me, those who had fun with both SA and IV and did not hate the latter just because they loved the former.

 

again, speaking personally, GTA VI's release will not affect my views on GTA V. i will still continue to view GTA V as a downgraded game from its predecessors. the only way i will actually view GTA V to be better than GTA VI is that GTA VI somehow manages to be as bad as fallout 76, or cyberpunk 2077. i have also seen many other IV fans state that their views on GTA V will not change when GTA VI comes out.

 

"b-but people who hate GTA V will start liking it due to NOSTALGIA!" GTA V is 8 years old already. it's a freaking PS3 game. it's already old enough for people to have nostalgia for it. yes, some GTA IV fans have warmed up a bit to this game since it came out. but 8 years later, to this day, others still believe V was a big disappointment that does not live up to previous GTAs at all. we don't feel any nostalgia for this game now, so don't count on it in the future.

 

i mean seriously! when GTA VI comes out, do V fanboys think that we will just do a 180 on our rants about the story, characters, physics, shooting, melee, driving, police system, pedestrian AI, online, and other features? do they think we will just drop all of those grievances we have with GTA V and start automatically liking the game? this is completely idiotic! i've been hearing this argument 8 years ago since GTA V came out and people got disappointed, and yet in all this time, our positions on GTA V have not changed.

 

so V fanboys, do us all a favor and stop regurgitating this stupid argument!

 

[E Revere]

Who cares? Look man, if you like IV and TLaD then like IV and TLaD. You don't have to debate your opinion with others. The only person your opinion matters to is yourself. You don't have to feel offended because other people look down on your opinion. Debating is pointless and achieves nothing. I don't understand why you care about a fictional character so much when there are more important things to care about in life. Go on, enjoy TLaD, enjoy Johnny but don't feel obligated to explain why to others or convince them that your opinion is valid because you already know it's valid.

[Niobium]

3 minutes ago, E Revere said:

Who cares? Look man, if you like IV and TLaD then like IV and TLaD. You don't have to debate your opinion with others. The only person your opinion matters to is yourself. You don't have to feel offended because other people look down on your opinion. Debating is pointless and achieves nothing. I don't understand why you care about a fictional character so much when there are more important things to care about in life. Go on, enjoy TLaD, enjoy Johnny but don't feel obligated to explain why to others or convince them that your opinion is valid because you already know it's valid.

this thread has nothing to do with johnny. for f*ck's sake

[E Revere]

15 minutes ago, Niobium said:

this thread has nothing to do with johnny. for f*ck's sake

Well, alright, man. I was just telling you to enjoy GTA IV regardless of what other people think. Just know that when you make threads like this, you're actively sabotaging yourself. You're not civil about the way you debate so people tend to be mutually uncivil with you. When you make threads like this, you're basically asking people to come here and tell you gnarly things. You're choosing to waste your time on purpose. I'm out.

Edited March 9, 2021 by E Revere

[Niobium]

5 minutes ago, E Revere said:

Well, alright, man. I was just telling you to enjoy GTA IV regardless of what other people think. Just know that when you make threads like this, you're actively sabotaging yourself. You're not civil about the way you debate so people tend to be mutually uncivil with you. When you make threads like this, you're basically asking people to come here and tell you gnarly things. You're choosing to waste your time on purpose. I'm out.

we're all wasting our time here.

[E Revere]

2 minutes ago, Niobium said:

when GTA V fanboys can only make ad hominem attacks against you by saying "REEE JOHNNY FANBOY" instead of addressing the actual argument at hand, then you know it's hollow

I am not a GTA V fanboy and I actually share a lot of the opinions you have about GTA V, just not the ones where you flat-out insult people who like it. You're not here to debate. All you want is for people to get angry.

[Niobium]

7 minutes ago, E Revere said:

I am not a GTA V fanboy and I actually share a lot of the opinions you have about GTA V, just not the ones where you flat-out insult people who like it. You're not here to debate. All you want is for people to get angry.

 

i have not insulted anyone for liking GTA V. i don't mind if people enjoy the game. you want to play GTA V? go ahead.

 

you misunderstand the reason why i am angry.

 

it's because this old, tired argument "When GTA VI comes out, people will start loving GTA V!" keeps getting repeated all over the internet ALL THE TIME no matter how many times we try to tell them that GTA VI won't affect our opinions on GTA V. so that's why i believed it was necessary to create a thread about this, no matter how bad it makes me look.

 

anyway, you can continue to get upset at me being angry, or you can actually address the arguments at hand. or you can do neither. up to you

[sabitsuki]

7 hours ago, Niobium said:

you can continue to get upset at me being angry, or you can actually address the arguments at hand. or you can do neither. up to you

 

I dont think he was angry at all tbh. he was just stating objective facts. some of us just dont want to argue over trivial things like these.

Edited March 9, 2021 by DownInThePMs

[Ryo256]

ITT @Niobium gets frustrated with people who can't read the OP........again.

Edited March 9, 2021 by Ryo256

[Lioshenka]

Well, it depends on how bad GTA 6 is It may be so bad that GTA 5 will seem like a masterpiece compared to it.

Edited March 9, 2021 by Lioshenka

[Americana]

To be honest, I think that Grand Theft Auto V has been around for too long for it to be loved by everyone. Not yet, at least.

 

For me Grand Theft Auto VI would have to be as good or better than Grand Theft Auto IV, however I doubt this is going to happen. 

 

Still, in my opinion Grand Theft Auto V will never be as good as Grand Theft Auto IV, so the release of the new game won't change anything for me.

[Algonquin Assassin]

Maybe he needs to chill out a bit, but he makes a good point.

 

I’ve always maintained GTA IV was released at a time most of the fanbase weren’t ready to accept it. It was a massive departure from what people were comfortable with in regards to the 3D era so I can understand how it would be off putting to some. However it’s entirely plausible some people probably revisited it sometime down the line and saw something in it they may not have before that made them appreciate it. I certainly know people like that on here that didn’t need GTA V to see what a great game GTA iV always was/is.

 

Now GTA V is different because IMO it didn’t take the same kind of ballsy change of direction GTA IV did. Infact it retreated in a lot of ways and sort after to seek out what people wanted that was “missing” in GTA IV. The pessimism some people have on this forum for the “hatred” GTA V gets isn’t close to be representative of the public perception has for the game that’s already loved. To me GTA IV still feels somewhat divisive though because while the GTA IV bashing isn’t anywhere near as bad as it used to be it’s not really universally beloved either.

When it comes to GTA VI I can see R* sticking to a similar formula like they did with GTA V. That’s not to say they’ll just copy and paste, but I think their philosophies won’t stray too far away so chances are of someone didn’t like GTA V for whatever reason they’re  probably still not going to no matter how good or bad GTA VI unless they play it again through a fresh set of eyes and find something about they like they may not have before. There’s so many factors involved in sh*t like this. Simply I just think peoples’ tastes change over time.

 

It’s not a “bandwagon” thing or a matter of “hating what’s cool and popular”. Sorry, but that mentality is pure garbage.

 

Edited March 9, 2021 by Algonquin Assassin

[ThatBenGuy1998]

Why can’t the GTA SA, IV, EFLC, and V communities just learn to live and let live? You don’t really see this within the GTA LCS and VCS communities and they’re both newer games than SA but older than the rest. You also don’t see this with the CTW community and it’s newer than IV/EFLC but older than V. GTA IV/EFLC is still a great game just the way it is IMO. My mind will never change on that any time soon. Some people need to take a chill pill though, especially on this forum.

[Americana]

59 minutes ago, Algonquin Assassin said:

I’ve always maintained GTA IV was released at a time most of the fanbase weren’t ready to accept it. It was a massive departure from what people were comfortable with in regards to the 3D era so I can understand how it would be off putting to some. However it’s entirely plausible some people probably revisited it sometime down the line and saw something in it they may not have before that made them appreciate it. I certainly know people like that on here that didn’t need GTA V to see what a great game GTA iV always was/is.

 

To be honest, it's the same situation with Watch Dogs. 

 

Watch Dogs 1 had an emotional, interesting story in a gloomy environment... then Watch Dogs 2 was totally different.

 

And now... because of Watch Dogs: Legion I appreciate Watch Dogs 2 100% more.

Edited March 9, 2021 by Americana

[Badman_]

You are right when you say that people won't start liking GTA V just because GTA VI was released. It just doesn't work like that, though nostalgia can actually change your perspective (but mostly due to emotional reasons and not logical ones). 

 

About the other stuff... Well, you're pretty much proving that IV fanboys and V fanboys are more similar than they like to admit. Some people might think I'm a V fanboy, but I'm not. I'm capable enjoying both games. I just believe that most of the criticism I hear on this forum about V is unfair. 

 

Putting that into perspective, here we are into another IV x V thread, only that this one wasn't created by a V fan(boy) but by a IV fan(boy) instead. You see? How they aren't so different after all?

[Ryo256]

26 minutes ago, Wolfman_ said:

Putting that into perspective, here we are into another IV x V thread, only that this one wasn't created by a V fan(boy) but by a IV fan(boy) instead. You see? How they aren't so different after all?

 

Nice try but there are two problems with that:

 

1. This isn't IV vs V thread as much as it is simply an argument to the "Hate the new and love the old" point which is applied in both GTA SA vs IV and IV vs V situations.
2. This is a result of GTA V threads and how this argument was used in its defense that got a IV fan to make this thread. The situation is not the same. It's not like @Niobium randomly get up in the morning and decides that we should go bash GTA V. We have been quiet until the V fans started sh*t again. 

Edited March 9, 2021 by Ryo256

[Dante De Niro]

That's a case of nostalgia, people tend to forget the bad side of things when remembering about something.

So yeah, probably a lot of people are going to forget about GTA V flaws when remembering it in the future, that's just the human nature.

 

10 hours ago, Niobium said:

i mean seriously! when GTA VI comes out, do V fanboys think that we will just do a 180 on our rants about the story, characters, physics, shooting, melee, driving, police system, pedestrian AI, online, and other features? do they think we will just drop all of those grievances we have with GTA V and start automatically liking the game? this is completely idiotic! i've been hearing this argument 8 years ago since GTA V came out and people got disappointed, and yet in all this time, our positions on GTA V have not changed.

When people use that argument, they're not talking about hardcore fans like you that are going to renegate GTA V until the grave, they are talking about a commom thing that tend to happen everytime in every generation through all humankind history (old good, new bad).

 

You can write that: people are going to remember GTA V with more affection in the future, due to nostalgia, due to emotional reasons, not for logical reasons. 

 

3 hours ago, Algonquin Assassin said:

It’s not a “bandwagon” thing or a matter of “hating what’s cool and popular”. Sorry, but that mentality is pure garbage.

Nobody admits to hate things just because it's cool and popular, but that's just a reality, people tend to do that. 

[Crowhazard]

Think it’s just a case of a vocal minority. It isn’t exclusive to this franchise in particular either. 

[Excalibur Voltaire]

Personally I view GTA V as the beginning of the downfall of R*. plenty of causes with GTA Online as the major one

 

GTA VI can be better than V, a lot worse than V, or simply doesn't exist because C* would rather milk GTA Online to death for quick buck instead of making a new game

 

IMO the third option is more likely, because it's very clear R* is not even passionate about their games anymore

[RedDagger]

9 hours ago, E Revere said:

Debating is pointless and achieves nothing.

If debating is so pointless, you should've just left this thread alone. If the OP is pointless, even more pointless is going "lol who cares u mad".

 

Anyway, I feel like there's two separate mechanisms for this that people refer to - the first is that the turn of opinion in a sense of nostalgia doesn't come from time, but rather as a direct comparison to the newer game. Like how in music, the moment people learn how to overcome the imperfections of a particular medium, like the scratchiness of vinyl, the dustiness of tape, the skipping of CDs, there will always be people seeking to deliberately implement that effect when producing for the newer more perfected medium that doesn't have those attributes; they're a nuisance for the entire time you have to wrangle with them, but the moment you can move on to a better medium they get seen in a different light. One example here could be driving mechanics: GTA IV was often lambasted when it was the newest GTA game for being all boaty and hard to control, then when GTA V released, many people realised a new-found appreciation for non-arcadey driving physics - me included. It's not the age that makes it nostalgic, but closer to a "miss it when it's gone" nostalgia - except the game can still be played - through comparison to the newer title; when it was the only "modern" driving physics in a GTA, all that really stuck out where the flaws, and only when something different released did a lot of people come to be able to compare and realise the shine that they didn't know they liked.

 

The second is more just the general attitude of rhetoric on the internet. It's no secret that gamers really hate video games and will spend huge amounts of time trashing games, and inevitably this means that they will tend to trash the newest games, and the newest in a series, which drives the vibe of discussion. When a new game releases, everyone starts sh*tting on that one instead, and this doesn't just go for the new monthly hot game but also the newest game in a series. When this tide inevitably rolls over to trashing every tiny facet of GTA VI, its move away from GTA V will allow the people left breathing room to vibe in a manner more accurate to how people who played the game felt, which itself will inevitably tend a little more positive since it doesn't have the downwards pressure of being the latest game in the series that's exposed to the aimless hate every game gets, no matter how good or fun it is. 

 

Do either of these necessitate everyone who currently dislikes GTA V turning around and loving it just because GTA VI releases? No, but there can still be some changing trend purely from GTA VI releasing. 

[Badman_]

I agree that GTA V might be remembered as the beginning of the downfall of R* (depending of what will happen in the near future). Not because of the game itself, which I think it's great, but because of the business practices that started with it. In other words: the online experience.

 

Take a look at RDR2. It's a piece of art, there's plenty of passion involved. But what about the patches that shamesly downgraded the graphics? Why do they even exist? Because of the online experience.

 

Why GTA VI is taking so long? Because of the online experience.

 

In that sense GTA V might have an even worst reputation in the next few years. Once again, not because of the game itself, but because of the greed that soon followed.

Edited March 9, 2021 by Wolfman_
English.

[billiejoearmstrong8]

If the new game is worse than V this is will happen. If it's not I doubt it will happen much. 

 

RDR is case in point. RDR2 coming out might've led to some more people discovering and appreciating RDR1 but it wasn't a thing where RDR2 was bashed and RDR1 was beloved all of a sudden. Believe it or not it's not all about "nostalgia". Sometimes games are simply honestly judged as being better or worse than the previous installment.

Edited March 9, 2021 by billiejoearmstrong8

[Badman_]

1 hour ago, dantedenirodeniro said:

That's a case of nostalgia, people tend to forget the bad side of things when remembering about something.

So yeah, probably a lot of people are going to forget about GTA V flaws when remembering it in the future, that's just the human nature.

 

True. There are many forgettable PS2 era games that are now considered to be classics due to pure nostalgia. Nostalgia can have a big effect in your judgment.

[Dante De Niro]

2 hours ago, Western Gunslinger said:

Personally I view GTA V as the beginning of the downfall of R*. plenty of causes with GTA Online as the major one

 

RDR2: 

 

Edited March 9, 2021 by dantedenirodeniro

[Kris194]

I really like both San Andreas and GTA IV and I like GTA V but it's just not my favorite one. Regarding this "When GTA VI comes out, people will start loving GTA V!" I can't agree. I won't change my opinion about certain aspects of GTA V even in 20 years just like I didn't change my opinion about GTA IV.

[Dante De Niro]

2 hours ago, Western Gunslinger said:

GTA VI can be better than V, a lot worse than V, or simply doesn't exist because C* would rather milk GTA Online to death for quick buck instead of making a new game

 

IMO the third option is more likely, because it's very clear R* is not even passionate about their games anymore

There's going to be a new GTA in some point. It's unrealistically pessimist to believe that R* is never going to release GTA 6 just to milk GTA Online forever.

 

https://www.thegamer.com/rockstar-ceo-single-player-take-two/

 

[Ryo256]

Something something about a singleplayer DLC that was announced but never happened because Online milking. But of course singleplayer DLC isn't necessary am I right? For Online definitely needs its 7 years of DLCs.

 

And interesting enough this happened in the presence of Dan Houser. Imagine the situation now that he is gone.

 

Edited March 9, 2021 by Ryo256

[Algonquin Assassin]

9 hours ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

If the new game is worse than V this is will happen. If it's not I doubt it will happen much. 

 

RDR is case in point. RDR2 coming out might've led to some more people discovering and appreciating RDR1 but it wasn't a thing where RDR2 was bashed and RDR1 was beloved all of a sudden. Believe it or not it's not all about "nostalgia". Sometimes games are simply honestly judged as being better or worse than the previous installment.

I agree with this, but I think the Red Dead series is completely different for two reasons.

 

1) It hasn’t been around as long as the GTA series with as many games and its fanbase isn’t as large and varied as GTA’s.

 

 

2) RDR1 was pretty well received upon release because people didn’t have preconceived notions for it unlike GTA IV coming off the 3D era. By all accounts both games are loved and adored by the Red Dead community which is why it’s rare to see the same level of angst and unrest among Red Dead fans unlike the many “GTA X vs GTA Y” threads.

 

Even on this forum that has sub forums for both of the Red Dead games you don’t really see RDR2 fans barnstorming the RDR1 forum to stir sh*t up and vice versa. It’s quite bizarre because often I see people tear eachother a new arsehole in the context of the GTA series yet put them in the one of the Red Dead forums or any discussion that pits RDR1 and RDR2 together. No problem.

 

Overall I think Red Dead series has the power to bring people together that for whatever reason the GTA series doesn’t atleast for the moment. No one complains of “hate” or has insecure feelings which leads them to hope the Red Dead game will make people appreciate the previous one.

 

Edited March 10, 2021 by Algonquin Assassin

[Excalibur Voltaire]

9 hours ago, dantedenirodeniro said:

RDR2: 

well, RDR2 ends up being terribly broken without any new content added, and RDO has the same predatory monetization as GTA Online yet so lacking in content. so no, RDR2 failed to redeem R* for me

3 hours ago, Ryo256 said:

And interesting enough this happened in the presence of Dan Houser. Imagine the situation now that he is gone.

and let's not forget Leslie Benzies. Without him R* can't release a game properly, the fact that RDR2 takes way too long in development, and delayed too often pretty much proves this

[TrueGamer]

Well if GTA 6 was online only that will probably be a valid reason to hate the game.