Multiplayer suggestion

[jallajollo]

Hello! First I gotta say that Vice City is an awesome game which isn't any suprise   Ok then, let's get to business. I don't know if any devs read this forum but I have a suggestion for a multiplayer game. I don't know if you are planning to make any but I know that people would really love it. Ok, here's my suggestion.

 

There could be 2 or more groups (ie Cubans vs Haitians) that could freely do their business in a city in a normal way. But the main point would be becoming the most scary/rich group in the town. Each player would be payed money for every action they make (killing members of other gangs, making dirty business etc). You could steal banks and shops and stuff for more money and use it + salary to buy new weapons.

 

The main excitement would be this: you should prevent the other group to get money and that way make your own group stronger. You could for example try to bribe a member from another group to tell you what actions the other group has planned and that way try to stop them. If they were going to for example steal a bank, you could go with your team and buy sniper rifles and take them out when they come out the bank and steal the money.

 

When you die, you would loose some money. The game ends when the other team has no money, when the time is up (if the server has a time limit) or when the other team has collected a certain amount of money. So that the game wouldn't get boring, each player would have always a pistol and free bullets from the weapon shop so even if only one player has money left, they could still do dirty business and get more money but only with pistols until they are rich enough to buy other weapons.

 

Of course you won't see where the enemies are until you are near them. Ok, one question pops up. Do you have to bribe a player to find out what the other team is up to or would there be other ways to find out? Now, it could be done this way. When the other team decides to do a dirty job, the members chat in a normal way like in a normal multiplayer game to make a plan. It doesn't matter where they are, they could use a cellular phone and the text they type appears above their heads so when you are near enough, you could see that text. If you happen to see another player chatting, you could spy him and see what he is talking and then go back and chat with your team and tell what you "heard". Now that would be something watcha think!   The chatting text would always appear above his head so you should watch out what you are talking and where.

 

Now, about bribing. You could bribe a player from the other group to tell your group what the other group is up to. Let's say the groups are A and B. A group could first vote for bribing. Someone sets a vote to bribe someone from the B team and if ie half of teammates agrees, then the voter would be able to chat with the player who they are gonna bribe and each member of the group A would see their conversation always. The bribed player should first decide if he is going to do it or not. If not, only his team can chat with him, if yes they can start chatting and work together. Each members of group A could chat with him but none of the group B would see that conversation.

 

Now, when the bribed player, lemme call him Jack wants to give the team A a tip, he just talks chatting with the team A (he can call anyone). After that he of course wants money for that tip and he can set a requirement how much he wants. When they come to an agreement, one of the team A has to meet Jack. They can decide the time and the place where to meet. When a player from group A is with Jack, he can give him the money. Of course there is a possibility the team A thinks Jack was lying about what he said and set an ambush when Jack comes and kills him. Well, he don't have to lie to kill him - free tip    But of course if that happens, then the agreement is over and I bet he don't want to be bribed anymore   Also, both sides could cancel the bribing agreement any time.

 

Ok now, as each Jack's friend from the group B can see his chatting when near enough, they can spot him talking with team A. And that is something they won't accept, so they gotta kill Jack. Now Jack is dead and the one who killed him got more money for that good work.

 

Each player has their own money they can spend for weapons, hookers and stuff, but also common money to pay the bribed player etc. All those together would tell the wealth of the whole group. When a certain limit is reached, the game ends and we have the winner.

 

There could be different work to do like in a single player and the team could choose which to do and when. You would be payed a certain amount of money from each mission and the players who were doing it would have to share the money (more players doing it, less money for each). If the job failures, some money would maybe taken from them. That would prevent people from going for a job and then do nothing (let others do the business and then just enjoy the money).

 

Here's the cool part. You could grab a car and take your friends in. The driver could shoot from left window with mac and other mates inside could shoot out from their own windows with like any weapon. One of them could also read the map (if you use microphone).

 

And then to hookers...you could have group sex...well, haha, that was a joke

 

Ok, I think you got the idea now. What do you guys think? More ideas? I dunno if this belongs in this forum but i got to put it somewhere. Let's talk about this and hope Rockstar would make a multiplayer like this some day!

[jazz666]

that sounds awesome! i hope we would see a multiplayer game like this and hopefully soon! great post!

 

my ideas:

-ff is always on

-you loose money (a lot) if you kill a player from your own group

-player looses money if he dies but not if got killed by his teammate

-if bribed player gets caught and killed, he looses all his money to his host team and becomes teamless and would only be able to chat to everyone to beg each team to vote him to join them

-teamless player could wander around the city and do for example taxi missions to gain money. he could buy weapons normally and do what he wants but he would not be able to chat with any team privately until he joins one (bribed and killed player can only join if a team votes for him to join).

-from 8-32 players in each team

-from 2 to 4 teams

-the current vice city map could be splitted in two parts to make 2 maps, each team starting from each side with a weapon shop.

-you can only get weapons by buying them from a weapon shop or by killing a person with a weapon.

[reefer kills]

but why would people take bribes if it just ment that their group would loose?

[[unem'phatic]]

Well, that's a great idea. But as you might be able to see, multiplayer mod development is still in the early beta stage. And there would be no way that this could happen until they actually get a proper, flawless multiplayer mod finished.

[jallajollo]

but why would people take bribes if it just ment that their group would loose?

Why would their group loose?

 

First of all, the bribed player (which I will again call Jack) can lie to the other team if he likes. Well, when they meet to exchange the money, they can well take both their teammates with them to give them firing support. Jack could have lied and told his teammates that they tried to bribe him and can kill the other team during the meeting or just the guy who is giving the money if he's alone.

 

If Jack is telling the truth to the other team what his team is up to, he can't obviously talk about this with his own team. So he meets the other team for the money. If they decide just take the tip and kill Jackbefore he gets the money, then they can't bribe anyone anymore (one bribe/game) and they could have made a mistake.

 

So if a team is clearly loosing, they can try to bribe a player from the other team to get a hint what they are doing and try to get more money that way and prevent the other team from getting richer. And that point it would not be very wise to kill the bribed player during the first money exchange because they need him later on. Now, can the bribed player trust the other team that they won't kill him or should he tell his team that he was bribed and set the other team up? Well, that's the idea and needs a lot of tactics!  

 

What makes it even more exciting is that if the A team finds out what the team B is doing and stops them, how will team B team know if team A knew their actions from a bribed player or was some of them eavesdropping? Haha, you never know who you can trust and that makes it so exciting!

[jallajollo]

' date='May 18 2003,12:12]Well, that's a great idea. But as you might be able to see, multiplayer mod development is still in the early beta stage. And there would be no way that this could happen until they actually get a proper, flawless multiplayer mod finished.

Oh, I didn't know that. Well, I think this is a good time to discuss about multiplaying and bring up new ideas! But I think if Rockstar made a multiplayer game like this, it would benefit everyone. They could use the same engine and maps as in Vice City and would not have to make so much brainwork thinking what kind of a multiplayer game they are gonna do if we bring here up different things and make much of the thinking ourselves. They could concentrate only to the coding and would sell it then and get a huge amount of money cause this would be a big hit if succeeded. That's for sure. And the gamers would love that game!

[[unem'phatic]]

' date='May 18 2003,12:12]Well, that's a great idea. But as you might be able to see, multiplayer mod development is still in the early beta stage. And there would be no way that this could happen until they actually get a proper, flawless multiplayer mod finished.

Oh, I didn't know that. Well, I think this is a good time to discuss about multiplaying and bring up new ideas! But I think if Rockstar made a multiplayer game like this, it would benefit everyone. They could use the same engine and maps as in Vice City and would not have to make so much brainwork thinking what kind of a multiplayer game they are gonna do if we bring here up different things and make much of the thinking ourselves. They could concentrate only to the coding and would sell it then and get a huge amount of money cause this would be a big hit if succeeded. That's for sure. And the gamers would love that game!

R* have already explained to the public why they didn't include Multiplayer options in the game(s). I can't be bothered to pull up a quote right now, but it has something to do with the RenderWare engine that they use for the game.

[jallajollo]

They made a multiplayer mod for GTA3 and since VC uses the same engine it should be possible to make a multiplayer based on VC. They could make a stand-alone multiplayer game like Unreal Tournament or mod, I don't really care. And of course it takes time to create a game like that but I bet it's worth waiting.

[reefer kills]

but why would people take bribes if it just ment that their group would loose?

Why would their group loose?

 

First of all, the bribed player (which I will again call Jack) can lie to the other team if he likes. Well, when they meet to exchange the money, they can well take both their teammates with them to give them firing support. Jack could have lied and told his teammates that they tried to bribe him and can kill the other team during the meeting or just the guy who is giving the money if he's alone.

 

If Jack is telling the truth to the other team what his team is up to, he can't obviously talk about this with his own team. So he meets the other team for the money. If they decide just take the tip and kill Jackbefore he gets the money, then they can't bribe anyone anymore (one bribe/game) and they could have made a mistake.

 

So if a team is clearly loosing, they can try to bribe a player from the other team to get a hint what they are doing and try to get more money that way and prevent the other team from getting richer. And that point it would not be very wise to kill the bribed player during the first money exchange because they need him later on. Now, can the bribed player trust the other team that they won't kill him or should he tell his team that he was bribed and set the other team up? Well, that's the idea and needs a lot of tactics!  

 

What makes it even more exciting is that if the A team finds out what the team B is doing and stops them, how will team B team know if team A knew their actions from a bribed player or was some of them eavesdropping? Haha, you never know who you can trust and that makes it so exciting!

but why would you want to take a bribe and inform on your team?  sure one could lie and just make off with the money but i can't see any other reason to take a bribe in your plan.  therefore, why offer a bribe if the only good reason for someone to take it is to trick the bribers?  sure in real life people take bribes becuase they are greedy and self-serveing but in a team game that does not work.

 

oh and yes they have multipayer mods for gta3 but they are all still far from fully functional.

[jallajollo]

but why would you want to take a bribe and inform on your team?  sure one could lie and just make off with the money but i can't see any other reason to take a bribe in your plan.  therefore, why offer a bribe if the only good reason for someone to take it is to trick the bribers?  sure in real life people take bribes becuase they are greedy and self-serveing but in a team game that does not work.

 

oh and yes they have multipayer mods for gta3 but they are all still far from fully functional.

From the viewpoint of bribers: they get good tips from the bribed player what their team is doing, if he is trustworthy.

 

From the viewpoint of bribed player: he can make extra money and maybe he wants some excitement.

 

There are many situations where it would be stupid to bribe or be bribed and situations where both sides may greatly benefit from it.

 

Why not to accept a bribe offer if the briber team needs more money fast and you don't have much yourself although your team is otherwise doing great? Both would get more money.

 

Of course the bribed player don't want the other team to get too rich, so he can set an ambush (he can lie to his team that they just asked them if he will be bribed, although he has been doing it for a while already) and kill the other team/the player who gives the money, while they are meeting, or the briber team can kill the bribed player, if they think they don't need him anymore. Both sides have to think what the next move will be, to kill or not to kill, to lie or not to lie. If both play wise, they don't kill each other just for fun. And remember, both sides can resign from their agreement anytime when the bribed player is not bribed anymore.

[reefer kills]

but there is really no reason you need money other than for your team to win eh?

[jallajollo]

but there is really no reason you need money other than for your team to win eh?

Sure there is, you get better weapons and it will help your team. And besides the richer you are, the richer is your team.

[Ray3vr]

bribing would be an interesting idea *if it worked*

I see many problems with it...

 

Why the hell would a person give real info on what his team is going to do, just to get his team killed?

So he will obviously give fake info all the time and it will be pointless to bribe anymore.

[jallajollo]

bribing would be an interesting idea *if it worked*

I see many problems with it...

 

Why the hell would a person give real info on what his team is going to do, just to get his team killed?

So he will obviously give fake info all the time and it will be pointless to bribe anymore.

I've explained everything in better details on Multi Theft Auto's forum and the dev's understands my points and are researching if everything could be done. They don't know yet if they can make a multiplayer game for vc and would the engine support all stuff but they showed me thumbs up for this whole idea.

 

The multiplayer game would work like this: you can be in a group to do missions and fight against other groups or play groupless which is pretty much the same as playing single player.

 

But anyways. If you accept to be bribed, you clearly need money. So you get money if you play it right. You don't neccessarily harm your own team, sometimes even do good.

 

OK, you tell the enemy team (A) that your team (B) is doing a mission of $50000 tonight at 10pm. You are telling the truth. So the A makes a plan to attack and you know that they will come to stop your team. You can either hope that your team wins or tell your team that you were bribed. Will your team then kill you cause you gave team A a tip? Not neccessarily, because now they now that team A is coming to stop your team B. They could have agreed before hand that they will accept a bribe if A asks someone. Now they can stop A from stopping B, right upside down   And if they do it wise, A won't even know that B knew they were coming and will continue bribing although they lost. So your team (you are the briber) won the mission and got the money and you got the money when you told the tip. This is a very complicated thing and anything can happen, anything. But it will work, although it needs lots of brainwork from the team and players who think about accepting a bribe.

 

Of course, some players want money and don't give a damn about their team so they can be bribed and leave the team when they got enough money.

[adamcs]

i dont have the pc version yet, but when i do get it, they a need network games, that would be sweet.

[reefer kills]

but there is really no reason you need money other than for your team to win eh?

Sure there is, you get better weapons and it will help your team. And besides the richer you are, the richer is your team.

right but if you get rich by sellling out your team it makes them less rich so the plan backfires. and sure better weapons cost money, but would it would be better just to borow from your teammates as that would not hurt your team.

[jallajollo]

right but if you get rich by sellling out your team it makes them less rich so the plan backfires. and sure better weapons cost money, but would it would be better just to borow from your teammates as that would not hurt your team.

Read my previous post (reply to Ray) and hope you understand.