What's up with immense hatred towards GTA V?

[ChiroVette]

3 minutes ago, dantedenirodeniro said:

 

I think this forum love to bring up some details about GTA V that is in fact a let down, but the boys around here treat it like game breaking details and the coming of the anti-christ. Dude, GTA V is in fact one of the best games in gaming history, it's a game running for 8 years man, no bad game can run for 8 years. In my opinion: 80% of GTA V's critiquers are just hipsters that like to critique the current GTA and are going to sh*t on GTA VI's head when it releases as well... 

 

I have been saying this for years. GTA V is a huge world, and Rockstar had an incredible vision for GTAO as an adjunct to the awesome story and beautiful world. I think that Rockstar probably thought, as I do, that the game would benefit a lot more by all the many massive improvements to the game than the minutia and trivialities of some of the more obscure, and unimportant details. They succeeded beautifully, too. As you noted, 8 years and both GTA V and GTAO are still thriving.

 

To me, the more I play this game, the more I realize that it was built for fun, enjoyment, and a world where almost anything can happen. Yet it still NEVER gets as crazy and over the top as, say Saints Row. So it remains grounded in that sense. But I think that GTA IV was meant to be more of a sandbox Crime Simulator. Rockstar seems to have decided, to their credit, to ditch the more stodgy, limiting, oppressive game mechanics in IV for a much more organically fun experience in V. GTA V is meant to be a vast, breathtaking game, with new and insanely fun things coming out even now. I was an initial critic of the Cayo Perico update, but have since come to realize how amazing it is in many ways. And this is 8 years later AND the E&E Edition for PS5/Series-X are still not out yet. Man, I can't wait to see what Rockstar comes out with for that!

[Dante De Niro]

2 minutes ago, ChiroVette said:

 

I have been saying this for years. GTA V is a huge world, and Rockstar had an incredible vision for GTAO as an adjunct to the awesome story and beautiful world. I think that Rockstar probably thought, as I do, that the game would benefit a lot more by all the many massive improvements to the game than the minutia and trivialities of some of the more obscure, and unimportant details. They succeeded beautifully, too. As you noted, 8 years and both GTA V and GTAO are still thriving.

 

To me, the more I play this game, the more I realize that it was built for fun, enjoyment, and a world where almost anything can happen. Yet it still NEVER gets as crazy and over the top as, say Saints Row. So it remains grounded in that sense. But I think that GTA IV was meant to be more of a sandbox Crime Simulator. Rockstar seems to have decided, to their credit, to ditch the more stodgy, limiting, oppressive game mechanics in IV for a much more organically fun experience in V. GTA V is meant to be a vast, breathtaking game, with new and insanely fun things coming out even now. I was an initial critic of the Cayo Perico update, but have since come to realize how amazing it is in many ways. And this is 8 years later AND the E&E Edition for PS5/Series-X are still not out yet. Man, I can't wait to see what Rockstar comes out with for that!

I think GTAO 2013/2016 era was a top tier multiplayer experience, somethings after that were kinda over the top in my opinion. But I respect people that like to play GTAO, it's very fun game, there's a lot to do and if you have friends to play it, it can become a golden experience. Im curious about what they will bring up with E&E, but I can't say i'm happy with its release... 

[ChiroVette]

1 minute ago, dantedenirodeniro said:

I think GTAO 2013/2016 era was a top tier multiplayer experience, somethings after that were kinda over the top in my opinion. But I respect people that like to play GTAO, it's very fun game, there's a lot to do and if you have friends to play it, it can become a golden experience. Im curious about what they will bring up with E&E, but I can't say i'm happy with its release... 

 

Also, not to delve too much into my history, but I was a stubborn, intractable GTAO holdout. And just just for a year or two, but the entire life of the game. Like many GTA fans, I felt a little betrayed by Rockstar for not making good on their SP support promises and only continuing to make content for GTAO. As useless as these little protests of one invariably are, I felt like I wasn't going to support that feckless corporate behavior. So it wasn't until last June, and I came across @xInfected_Virus's Solo Money Making Guide, that I started getting fascinated. So I figured I would pick the game up on PS4, since I already own it on PS4 and PC, but my PC is a little outdated, AND I didn't want to deal with modders and hackers.

 

Crazy coincidence or providence perhaps? But literally the DAY I decided to buy it, the game practically right before my eyes went on sale on PSN for $15.00, and it came with the Criminal Enterprise Starter Pack. Crazy thing is that Sony or Take2 made a mistake I think. Because the Vanilla game, with NOTHING bundled into it, was still the same $30.00. So for half the price of just the game, I got what it turned out was a pretty damned good SLC starter pack. Which also included a bunch of money, too! And the second I logged in, I forgot all about it, but apparently I was entitled to the Returning Player Bonus, and that came with some serious goodies, AND more cash for my Online character. So with Infected's help, I dove right in, and man I have never looked back!

 

Now the only reason I being all this up, and yes, it took me two paragraphs to get to my actual point, is that I wasn't playing GTAO from 2013 to 2016, so I have nothing to compare it to. I just know that I absolutely LOVE the game now. There is just so much to do! I spent my first 7 months grinding out a ton of legitimate money, and made myself rich beyond the dreams of Avarice lol. Now I am starting to dive into a lot of the other stuff to do that may not pay as well, but is incredibly fun! Those crazy Arena races come to mind, as do those wackadoodle Transformer races!

 

But I have been so incredibly engaged in literally building a massive criminal empire, and using a lot of the weekly Dripfeed sales and my Amazon Prime bonuses, I have built up a massive collection of all the businesses, upgrades, hell, even cosmetic stuff. I have an unbelievable vehicle collection (well unbelievable for me at least) and am really just having a blast being a total, unbridled criminal in this world.  And to support your point above, I have not once bought a single Shark Card, nor would I ever! The only DLC I had was gifted to me for buying the 1/2 price game.

[Dante De Niro]

4 minutes ago, ChiroVette said:

 

Also, not to delve too much into my history, but I was a stubborn, intractable GTAO holdout. And just just for a year or two, but the entire life of the game. Like many GTA fans, I felt a little betrayed by Rockstar for not making good on their SP support promises and only continuing to make content for GTAO. As useless as these little protests of one invariably are, I felt like I wasn't going to support that feckless corporate behavior. So it wasn't until last June, and I came across @xInfected_Virus's Solo Money Making Guide, that I started getting fascinated. So I figured I would pick the game up on PS4, since I already own it on PS4 and PC, but my PC is a little outdated, AND I didn't want to deal with modders and hackers.

 

Crazy coincidence or providence perhaps? But literally the DAY I decided to buy it, the game practically right before my eyes went on sale on PSN for $15.00, and it came with the Criminal Enterprise Starter Pack. Crazy thing is that Sony or Take2 made a mistake I think. Because the Vanilla game, with NOTHING bundled into it, was still the same $30.00. So for half the price of just the game, I got what it turned out was a pretty damned good SLC starter pack. Which also included a bunch of money, too! And the second I logged in, I forgot all about it, but apparently I was entitled to the Returning Player Bonus, and that came with some serious goodies, AND more cash for my Online character. So with Infected's help, I dove right in, and man I have never looked back!

 

Now the only reason I being all this up, and yes, it took me two paragraphs to get to my actual point, is that I wasn't playing GTAO from 2013 to 2016, so I have nothing to compare it to. I just know that I absolutely LOVE the game now. There is just so much to do! I spent my first 7 months grinding out a ton of legitimate money, and made myself rich beyond the dreams of Avarice lol. Now I am starting to dive into a lot of the other stuff to do that may not pay as well, but is incredibly fun! Those crazy Arena races come to mind, as do those wackadoodle Transformer races!

 

But I have been so incredibly engaged in literally building a massive criminal empire, and using a lot of the weekly Dripfeed sales and my Amazon Prime bonuses, I have built up a massive collection of all the businesses, upgrades, hell, even cosmetic stuff. I have an unbelievable vehicle collection (well unbelievable for me at least) and am really just having a blast being a total, unbridled criminal in this world.  And to support your point above, I have not once bought a single Shark Card, nor would I ever! The only DLC I had was gifted to me for buying the 1/2 price game.

Exactly, people look at GTAO like if it was some microtransaction hell. I've never buyed any sharkcards too by the time that i played. I can see myself going back to the game with the release of E&E. What's up with that Infection's money guide? can you link that please? maybe it can turn out useful to me

[ChiroVette]

8 minutes ago, dantedenirodeniro said:

Exactly, people look at GTAO like if it was some microtransaction hell. I've never buyed any sharkcards too by the time that i played. I can see myself going back to the game with the release of E&E. What's up with that Infection's money guide? can you link that please? maybe it can turn out useful to me

 

I think that like any mobile game based on IAP, GTAO can, and is in some cases, a microtransaction hell. But that really comes down to player laziness or ignorance of how the game economy works in GTAO. Plus a great deal of impatience. I mean, when I started out, I did all the tedious grunt work I needed to do, which much of it was in @xInfected_Virus's guide. I mean, all that obscure s**t is worse then just grindy. lol But it was worth it. Because I spent a few weeks really setting myself up to be able to really work the grind loops first, then use those and special 2X drip feed weeks to build more money so I could start buying the businesses and all the other stuff I needed. I literally forced myself to buy NOTHING I wanted for fun. No shiny new sports/super cars at first, no luxuries at all. My first month would bore the crap out of most players as every dime I made went into only stuff that could make me money, passively and actively.

 

Anyway, here is the link to his awesome guide:

 

Best Solo Money Making Guide For New and Well Set Players

 

Within the coming weeks, he and I are going to collaborate on a video accompaniment to his guide. I already have the format of it locked in my head, and I think it can help a lot of people. By the way, if you need any help and you're on PS4, I am more than happy to help you. I have amassed an absurd amount of money legitimately, and I no longer really care about giving up most of my heist cuts and other things. I can also help you with grind loops and such and buying things you need and want, if you like.

 

[Excalibur Voltaire]

People who can't handle other people criticizing their favorite game amaze me. I assume it's a deep psychological problem, but who know

[ChiroVette]

26 minutes ago, Western Gunslinger said:

People who can't handle other people criticizing their favorite game amaze me. I assume it's a deep psychological problem, but who know

 

I won't speak for everyone, but I seriously doubt anyone has a problem with people criticizing games they love here. If someone says they don't like GTA V, they think the story is whatever, and they think the game is downgraded, for whatever reason, or just don't like the color of Trevor's hair, that all makes sense to me. Gaming is entertainment, and entertainment is by nature subjective. I think that what people object to isn't the expression of opinions, but those who act like their opinions are objective fact, and go so far as to criticize not just the game, but people who love the game for whatever reason. When people conflate their opinions with objective fact, that never ends well in terms of discourse. Neither does insulting the tastes and preferences of those who disagree with you. I think there would be a great deal less fights in this place if people would simply stop acting like their opinions are more than opinions.

Edited February 23, 2021 by ChiroVette

[Dante De Niro]

39 minutes ago, Western Gunslinger said:

People who can't handle other people criticizing their favorite game amaze me. I assume it's a deep psychological problem, but who know

lol, chill man. people get mad for basically any opinion that disagrees with them. it's not a DEEP PSHYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEM.

and i won't speak for everyone too, but i don't think anyone got mad around here, everyone respecting everyone

GTA IV and V are actually so different from each others, that there's no discussion to decide which one's better, that's basically all subjective.

in my opinion, V goes to a more GTA likeble way, i'm not so into the seriousness thing when i'm playing GTA

Edited February 23, 2021 by dantedenirodeniro

[ChiroVette]

3 minutes ago, dantedenirodeniro said:

lol, chill man. people get mad for basically any opinion that disagrees with them. it's not a DEEP PSHYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEM lmao.

and i won't speak for everyone too, but i don't think anyone got mad around here, everyone respecting everyone

 

But he kinds of brings up a good point. There does seem to be a lot of intolerance toward the dissenting opinions of others here. You're right, too, if I am honest, though. Because it's sometimes human nature to react with hostility when people criticize things you they like.

[Kris194]

3 hours ago, dantedenirodeniro said:

Actually, i don't think those things are objectily downgrades but design choices that works well with GTA V's world, the traction is way more easy to control (GTA IV was kinda unrealistic, to be honest. If you ever drove a car in your life you'ill know that) and that goes to the damage too, but I do prefer the GTA IV damage as well, going to agree with you on that part. About the engine, actually you can leave it running after leaving the vehicle, you just need to put your character on "action mode", then it will leave the engine running everytime he leaves the car.

Still, GTA V has some gameplay downgrades compared to GTA IV and Rockstar made some weird decisions, that doesn't really make any sense in what some people say is supposed to be "fast paced, action game". Just to mention few of them:

 

1. Your character turns off engine by default. This is very weird decision.

 

2. You can't disarm enemies, this is just gameplay downgrade, not some kind of decision.

 

3. There is no GPS speech, even in most expensive cars. This is very weird for game set in 2013 and it is just another gameplay downgrade because you have to look at minimap instead of road.

 

4. It's a detail, that some people may not care about but you can't wash your cabrio in GTA V in a freaking car wash. I guess wash it in the river or something, bruh.

 

5. NPC don't care even if you walk around with RPG, I guess it's pretty normal in Los Santos.

 

GTA V has some improvements over GTA IV but it's enough to watch some "GTA IV is better than GTA V" videos to see that it also has some gameplay downgrades and this is not something people expected to see in GTA V.

Edited February 23, 2021 by Kris194

[ChiroVette]

5 minutes ago, Kris194 said:

Still, GTA V has some gameplay downgrades compared to GTA IV and Rockstar made some weird decisions, that doesn't really make any sense in what some people say is supposed to be "fast paced, action game". Just to mention few of them:

 

1. Your character turns off engine by default. This is very weird decision.

 

2. You can't disarm enemies, this is just gameplay downgrade, not some kind of decision.

 

3. There is no GPS speech, even in most expensive cars. This is very weird for game set in 2013 and it is just another gameplay downgrade because you have to look at minimap instead of road.

 

4. It's a detail, that some people may not care about but you can't wash your cabrio in GTA V in a freaking car wash. I guess wash it in the river or something, bruh.

 

5. NPC don't care even if you walk around with RPG, I guess it's pretty normal in Los Santos.

 

I agree these are all valid complaints. I think the confusion comes, not from the fact that you are right or wrong, but not everyone cares that much about details like that. For instance, when I see all of those complaints, and some of the other ones as well, it isn't that I disagree with you. It's that I see all the major and often stunning improvements Rockstar brought us in GTA V, that things like that, to me at least, come off like minutia. Now, if they aren't minutia to you, then fair enough. There were other things, too, that people are saying were lost from IV to V, like vehicle damage, hand-to-hand combat, and that sort of thing. I don't think anyone in their right mind, not even the staunchest of V fans, would argue that these things were in IV and not in V. The real question is, how much does an individual player care about this stuff? Is the totality of all those little things sort of like death by a thousand paper-cuts? Or is it just a whole bunch of non important trivialities? I would say that should be up to the individual to decide for themselves.

[billiejoearmstrong8]

1 hour ago, ChiroVette said:

 

I won't speak for everyone, but I seriously doubt anyone has a problem with people criticizing games they love here. If someone says they don't like GTA V, they think the story is whatever, and they think the game is downgraded, for whatever reason, or just don't like the color of Trevor's hair, that all makes sense to me. Gaming is entertainment, and entertainment is by nature subjective. I think that what people object to isn't the expression of opinions, but those who act like their opinions are objective fact, and go so far as to criticize not just the game, but people who love the game for whatever reason. When people conflate their opinions with objective fact, that never ends well in terms of discourse. Neither does insulting the tastes and preferences of those who disagree with you. I think there would be a great deal less fights in this place if people would simply stop acting like their opinions are more than opinions.

 

I don't think many people do that though. There's exceptions but it's mostly just people presenting reasons why IV is better and V is worse. To be honest it seems to be more that V fans are overly defensive because they often don't have a counter point to the specific criticisms levelled at V and instead just respond with vagueness like "they were going for something different with the game"/"it's more fun"/"IV is boring" instead of specific points about how V is better. When key aspects of gameplay are downgraded it's hard to argue against. This is a generalisation of course as many people also make good points about V but it's something I see a lot. 

 

If someone doesn't want to argue that's fine, preferring one game to the other doesn't require justification. But just because criticisms are hard to argue against it doesn't mean the people doing the criticising are being unfair or giving it "immense hatred". 

Edited February 23, 2021 by billiejoearmstrong8

[ChiroVette]

6 minutes ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

 

I don't think many people do that though. There's exceptions but it's mostly just people presenting reasons why IV is better and V is worse. To be honest it seems to be more that V fans are overly defensive because they often don't have a counter point to the specific criticisms levelled at V and instead just respond with vagueness like "they were going for something different with the game"/"it's more fun"/"IV is boring" instead of specific points about how V is better. When key aspects of gameplay are downgraded it's hard to argue against. This is a generalisation of course as many people also make good points about V but it's something I see a lot. 

 

If someone doesn't want to argue that's fine, preferring one game to the other doesn't require justification. But just because criticisms are hard to argue against it doesn't mean the people doing the criticising are being unfair or giving it "immense hatred". 

 

Yes, but counterpoints and debate are fine. V fans in this forum don't strike me as inherently defensive, though. I would look around more if I were you. It seems to me like most of the hostility and insults seems to come from frustrated IV fans who, some of them at least, don't like when their criticisms are disagreed with, no matter how tactfully. I agree with you that if someone doesn't want to argue that's cool, too. I won't speak for anyone else, but ,y only objection, and the only time I argue vehemently, is to those who act like their opinions are like Gospel truth. Someone can criticize GTA V or any other GTA up the wazoo for all I care. But since this is a public forum, one should be prepared to get some push back or counteropinions.

[Kris194]

18 minutes ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

When key aspects of gameplay are downgraded it's hard to argue against.

Exactly. There is also one thing I forgot about, something that should be very important. NPCs in GTA V don't use turn signals. Drivers in Los Santos are seriously less predictable than drivers and even babies in real life. It's not some kind of small detail, it's a major flaw.

Edited February 23, 2021 by Kris194

[ChiroVette]

1 minute ago, Kris194 said:

Exactly. There is also one thing I forgot about, something that should be very important. NPCs in GTA V don't use turn signals. Drivers in Los Santos are seriously less predictable than drivers and even babies in real life.

 

I actually never even noticed this. I just started a SP campaign on the PS4, taking a break from online. But I will look out for this. Surprised in almost 8 years I never noticed this. lol

[TheSantader25]

@Kris194 

 

Those are valid points but as ChiroVette said, I think it all comes down to "the things you as an individual care about and the things you don't". From the things that you listed as an example it's only number one that bothers me. I would have cared about number 2 as well if IV actually had done it in a better way but I think the mechanic was executed in a way that felt useless at a lot of times. Number 3 was annoying. It's an example of "realism interfering with fun" and IV has a lot of that. It ruins my radio station experience. That's why I always turn it off when playing IV. There are A LOT of things V does different or does worse than IV and here's the list that actually annoys me: 

 

- The vehicle damage. I think V still does a phenomenal job in this regard when you compare to other games but compared to IV? yeah I think it's inferior and I expected better. But it's still nothing MAJOR for me. Not as much as let's say the notorious "lack of planes" feature in IV. That was such a huge bummer for me at the time that I don't think anything V sucks at even remotely comes close to that one for me.

- The cops acting like psychopaths and in general the NPC behavior in certain circumstances. 

- Some of the melee mechanics even though I still found the melee to be horrible in IV.

- Not being able to pick up objects and throw them.

- Not being able to manually turn off your car.

- Not being able to hang on to ledges.

- Interiors and places to eat.

 

That's it. There are probably a billion other features that IV does better but I really don't care about them all that much. While there are things that V does better that completely overshadow the list above for me. I think from the list above it's only the "interiors" thing that is an actual experience destroyer for me. Notice how I didn't talk about physics? Because I actually think V's "inferior" ragdoll system is better for me as player. IV's felt a bit exaggerated and annoying at times.

 

Edited February 23, 2021 by TheSantader25
sh*t I forgot the interiors lol

[ChiroVette]

11 minutes ago, TheSantader25 said:

h. While there are things that V does better that completely overshadow the list above for me.

 

 

I understand all of this, and like @Kris194, they are valid points. For me, literally none of that matters, because it's all stuff that is more like trivial and insignificant. But for some, who loved the sense of every small detail in IV like the ones you guys listed, I can see how it would be a problem of varying degree from person to person. Like you, though, I find all the amazing improvements in V to more than make up for those little things I personally care nothing about.

 

Oh and both of you forgot a major point of contention with IV fans toward V, which is the lack of interiors.

[Americana]

Not many people in here would say that Grand Theft Auto V is an awful game, or whatever.

 

For some it's not the best Grand Theft Auto game, but overall it's a very good game.

 

I don't see any point in posting a list of what Grand Theft Auto IV did better than Grand Theft Auto V, and vice versa.

Edited February 23, 2021 by Americana

[hitman989]

IMO both IV and V have their +'s and -'s. Both are good SP games (less the online portion)

[Dante De Niro]

1 hour ago, Kris194 said:

Still, GTA V has some gameplay downgrades compared to GTA IV and Rockstar made some weird decisions, that doesn't really make any sense in what some people say is supposed to be "fast paced, action game". Just to mention few of them:

 

1. Your character turns off engine by default. This is very weird decision.

 

2. You can't disarm enemies, this is just gameplay downgrade, not some kind of decision.

 

3. There is no GPS speech, even in most expensive cars. This is very weird for game set in 2013 and it is just another gameplay downgrade because you have to look at minimap instead of road.

 

4. It's a detail, that some people may not care about but you can't wash your cabrio in GTA V in a freaking car wash. I guess wash it in the river or something, bruh.

 

5. NPC don't care even if you walk around with RPG, I guess it's pretty normal in Los Santos.

 

GTA V has some improvements over GTA IV but it's enough to watch some "GTA IV is better than GTA V" videos to see that it also has some gameplay downgrades and this is not something people expected to see in GTA V.

1. Well, i don't think that's so weird as you say it is 

 

2. Agree with you in that part

 

3. That's funny. For me, that's a positive thing, an upgrade. Because let's be honest, the GPS voice is kinnnda annoying and everybody look at the minimap even in GTA IV

 

4 Agree with you on that part too. In GTA IV, if the roof is closed, you just need to pass through the car wash and it will do the service, if the roof is opened, a guy comes and clean your vehicle by himself, a very nice detail. 

 

5. Dude, that's GTA. I think this happen even in GTA IV

 

Than do the reverse man, watch some "GTA V is better than GTA IV" videos and you'ill see hehe

[Dante De Niro]

1 hour ago, TheSantader25 said:

@Kris194 

 

Those are valid points but as ChiroVette said, I think it all comes down to "the things you as an individual care about and the things you don't". From the things that you listed as an example it's only number one that bothers me. I would have cared about number 2 as well if IV actually had done it in a better way but I think the mechanic was executed in a way that felt useless at a lot of times. Number 3 was annoying. It's an example of "realism interfering with fun" and IV has a lot of that. It ruins my radio station experience. That's why I always turn it off when playing IV. There are A LOT of things V does different or does worse than IV and here's the list that actually annoys me: 

 

- The vehicle damage. I think V still does a phenomenal job in this regard when you compare to other games but compared to IV? yeah I think it's inferior and I expected better. But it's still nothing MAJOR for me. Not as much as let's say the notorious "lack of planes" feature in IV. That was such a huge bummer for me at the time that I don't think anything V sucks at even remotely comes close to that one for me.

- The cops acting like psychopaths and in general the NPC behavior in certain circumstances. 

- Some of the melee mechanics even though I still found the melee to be horrible in IV.

- Not being able to pick up objects and throw them.

- Not being able to manually turn off your car.

- Not being able to hang on to ledges.

- Interiors and places to eat.

 

That's it. There are probably a billion other features that IV does better but I really don't care about them all that much. While there are things that V does better that completely overshadow the list above for me. I think from the list above it's only the "interiors" thing that is an actual experience destroyer for me. Notice how I didn't talk about physics? Because I actually think V's "inferior" ragdoll system is better for me as player. IV's felt a bit exaggerated and annoying at times.

 

Holy sh*t man, yes. Being able to pick up things is a mix from the best of two worlds, is realistic and fun, the same goes to being able to hang on things. The lack of interiors and places to eat really piss me off because is such a basic thing that every GTA had, but maybe that part was cut off due to hardware problems, maybe Los Santos was too big for that. 

 

Man, that's why we need the VI. Just imagine the things that will be possible with PS5 and XBSX hardwares 

1 hour ago, TheSantader25 said:

I actually think V's "inferior" ragdoll system is better for me as player. IV's felt a bit exaggerated and annoying at times.

Agree on that, things on GTA IV has too little weight

Edited February 23, 2021 by dantedenirodeniro

[Badman_]

Truth be told, GTA IV is one of the most overrated games I can remember. I'm not a hater and I know it's a great game overall, but the fans simply lost their minds back in 2008.

 

I guess the physics innovation with RAGE caused a huge impact into some easily impressionable people out there and they starting praising everything about the game withouth giving it much thought (some of them were professional reviewers).

 

GTA IV is currently the 3rd best reviewed game of all time on Metacritic and I personally think that's absurd.

 

Just wanted to point that out because I believe it's relevant for the discussion.

Edited February 23, 2021 by The Wolf Man

[Kris194]

1 hour ago, dantedenirodeniro said:

3. That's funny. For me, that's a positive thing, an upgrade. Because let's be honest, the GPS voice is kinnnda annoying and everybody look at the minimap even in GTA IV

How downgrade is considered to be an upgrade? Are people really so lazy nowadays to the point where looking into the Options is too big effort? GPS speech is something that everyone could disable in Audio options in GTA IV. Maybe lack of choice that people want so much is now considered to be an upgrade?

 

1 hour ago, dantedenirodeniro said:

5. Dude, that's GTA. I think this happen even in GTA IV

Thing is, no it doesn't. Robotic NPCs is something many people complained about when it comes to GTA V.

Edited February 23, 2021 by Kris194

[billiejoearmstrong8]

I think there's a lot of peripheral things like GPS that can be argued to be better or worse, or things that can be debated like whether a large map with countryside or a detailed city with lots of interiors is better, but the thing is that V is downgraded/made less detailed in literally the most important aspects of gameplay. Namely physics, driving, both armed and unarmed combat, climbing, AI/NPC behaviour and the level of freedom given to the player both in and out of missions. I played V before I played IV and thought it was the best game ever. Played IV and saw all the obvious downgrades from it in V and changed my mind. If someone prefers V that's fine. But the observations/criticisms are fair. 

Edited February 23, 2021 by billiejoearmstrong8

[Dante De Niro]

5 minutes ago, Kris194 said:

How downgrade is considered to be an upgrade? Are people really so lazy nowadays to the point where looking into the Options is too big effort? GPS speech is something that everyone could disable in Audio options in GTA IV. Maybe lack of choice that people want so much is now considered to be an upgrade?

ahhh ok, i get it now, yeah i think we can call that some kind of downgrade but idk to be honest, it's so useless and annoying. i sh*t my pants everytime i hear it 

[billiejoearmstrong8]

I would say although I enjoy the option of the GPS voice in IV (particularly how there's a third option of having it only in higher end vehicles, that's a nice detail), V did improve the GPS in other ways (it shows the new route faster if you miss a turn, takes dead ends/different heights into account more effectively, and tells you the distance of your journey). But when gunfights feel like you're shooting with plastic toys, you fail missions for driving a couple feet down the wrong road, and a "fight" consists of knocking someone out with one slap improved GPS doesn't count for much.

Edited February 23, 2021 by billiejoearmstrong8

[Dante De Niro]

8 minutes ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

I would say although I enjoy the option of the GPS voice in IV (particularly how there's a third option of having it only in higher end vehicles, that's a nice detail), V did improve the GPS in other ways (it shows the new route faster if you miss a turn, takes dead ends/different heights into account more effectively, and tells you the distance of your journey). But when gunfights feel like you're shooting with plastic toys, you fail missions for driving a couple feet down the wrong road, and a "fight" consists of knocking someone out with one slap improved GPS doesn't count for much.

well if you want good shooting and driving mechanics go play call of duty or forza while real men play GPS THEFT AUTO 

 

jk, this is a good point.

[ChiroVette]

34 minutes ago, The Wolf Man said:

Truth be told, GTA IV is one of the most overrated games I can remember. ... the fans simply lost their minds back in 2008.

 

I guess the physics innovation with RAGE caused a huge impact into some easily impressionable people out there and they starting praising everything about the game withouth giving it much thought (some of them were professional reviewers).

 

GTA IV is currently the 3rd best reviewed game of all time on Metacritic and I personally think that's absurd.

 

Just wanted to point that out because I believe it's relevant for the discussion.

 

Oh, man, do I totally agree with all of this! The best description I ever read about GTA was by one reviewer a little more critical who said something to the effect of, "The sandbox feels like it's made out of cast iron."

[Kris194]

15 minutes ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

I would say although I enjoy the option of the GPS voice in IV, V did improve the GPS in other ways (it shows the new route faster if you miss a turn, takes bridges/different heights into account more effectively, and tells you the distance of your journey).

This discussion would be way more interesting if more people would have your attitude. Instead of this what we can read here is "IV fetishists, snore fest, GTA V is more fun" etc. There is no chance for mature discussion.  I agree, that except lack of GPS speech, GPS in GTA V is an improvement over GTA IV.

Edited February 23, 2021 by Kris194

[ChiroVette]

23 minutes ago, Kris194 said:

This discussion would be way more interesting if more people would have your attitude. Instead of this what we can read here is "IV fetishists, snore fest, GTA V is more fun" etc. There is no chance for mature discussion.  I agree, that except lack of GPS speech, GPS in GTA V is an improvement over GTA IV.

 

lol Fair enough, but to be clear, the ONLY time people like me ever speak with inflammatory terms like that is when people who troll the forum act as if their opinions about V being whatever they think it is are somehow objectively true, and they cast aspersion on people who love V with terms that demote lol "casual gamer" "willing to accept an inferior story" and my personal favorite, rage on about how "IV is an objectively better written story." Those are the people I regard as IV Fetishists. The ones who can't see that their opinions are just that, opinions, and seem to come into this forum with an agenda. The agenda I am talking about is a little esoteric, and I won't get into it now. Suffice it to say, when people treat their opinions as if they are objectively true, and meet ANY disagreement with them with hostility, I then lead by mocking them.

Edited February 23, 2021 by ChiroVette