What's up with immense hatred towards GTA V?

[billiejoearmstrong8]

22 hours ago, The Wolf Man said:

 

It is hate when you unfairly criticise the game because it wasn't what you wanted or what you expected of it. It's like saying "I don't like the sky because it's blue" or "I don't like the water because it's wet". You have the right to dislike the game if it didn't attend to your standards but then it's your deal. Just because you dislike something it doesn't mean that it's actually bad or poorly made.

 

Of course there are people who make fair and legit points about their dissatisfaction with GTA V, but it's not what happens in the majority of the situations around here.

 

Rockstar set their own standards in GTA IV with the quality and level of detail of writing, physics, driving, armed and unarmed combat and AI. They downgraded these things in the next game rather than maintaining or improving on their own standards. That's not a personal taste thing, the core gameplay was downgraded.

Edited February 22, 2021 by billiejoearmstrong8

[Eugene H. Krabs]

Isn;t there already 2 or 3 topics similar to this one?

[Dante De Niro]

2 hours ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

 

Rockstar set their own standards in GTA IV with the quality and level of detail of writing, physics, driving, armed and unarmed combat and AI. They downgraded these things in the next game rather than maintaining or improving on their own standards. That's not a personal taste thing, the core gameplay was downgraded.

GTA IV's writing and physics are overrated in my opinion. Everyone has the weight of a literal ragdoll and cars feel like i don't know, a f*cking soap. And the writing for sure has a lot of tragedy and mature themes, but they're not writed in a very mature way, and while GTA V has less realistic physics and didn't approach a large number of mature themes, it have a good writing, good jokes, well writed dialogues and VERY good characters, i'm about to say it: GTA V story is way more entertaining than GTA IV. 

[Ryo256]

27 minutes ago, Eugene H. Krabs said:

Isn;t there already 2 or 3 topics similar to this one?

Yes and more to come in a fun-packed V subforum singleplayer DLC continuing the adventures of........
 

Spoiler

 

[Badman_]

3 hours ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

 

Rockstar set their own standards in GTA IV with the quality and level of detail of writing, physics, driving, armed and unarmed combat and AI. They downgraded these things in the next game rather than maintaining or improving on their own standards. That's not a personal taste thing, the core gameplay was downgraded.

 

I disagree that the game was downgraded. It's just a different direction. To say that it got downgraded is to say that they got lazy. But what is RDR2 then? It's the most advanced and complete game that R* has ever released. If they changed the approach for GTA V is because they felt it was the most appropriate thing to do at the time. The physics and overall narrative of IV weren't exactly an unanimous success among the fans.

[Kris194]

1 hour ago, dantedenirodeniro said:

GTA V didn't approach a large number of mature themes,

It did but you need to take a look at GTA V past this "over the top filter".

[Dante De Niro]

1 minute ago, Kris194 said:

It did but you need to take a look at GTA V past this "over the top filter".

Actually, let me rephrase my sentence:

 

The question is that GTA V don't take itself too seriously like GTA IV does, GTA IV's writing in my opinion sounds like a inmature person trying really really hard to be mature by putting a lot of tragedy and sadness, making the color scheme almost gray, etc ... GTA IV is basically a GTA writed by Zack Snyder.

28 minutes ago, The Wolf Man said:

 

I disagree that the game was downgraded. It's just a different direction. To say that it got downgraded is to say that they got lazy. But what is RDR2 then? It's the most advanced and complete game that R* has ever released. If they changed the approach for GTA V is because they felt it was the most appropriate thing to do at the time. The physics and overall narrative of IV weren't exactly an unanimous success among the fans.

Exactly! Man, imagine GTA V with the GTA IV's car handling. It would be a f*cking hell to drive in country and mountains. Imagine to lose your car every single time it turns upside down, geez... 

[Dante De Niro]

People are really blind with GTA IV. It's not a perfect game by any means. It's a true masterpiece of course, but it's not perfect, and in my humble opinion, worst than GTA V. Actually, i wouldn't even say it's worst, but less better lol

Edited February 22, 2021 by dantedenirodeniro

[Dante De Niro]

1 minute ago, Damien Scott said:

You just don't get the game. About the color palette, a lot of games back in 2008 had a green or gray tint (GTA IV, Fallout 3, Far Cry 2).

The classic "you just don't get it man". I get it man, played the game a lot of times and a still thinks the story is just dumb sometimes. Niko goes to America to change his life, to search a more pacifist way of living, but then, 30 seconds later, he start to kills people and decides to turn into one of the biggest criminals of Liberty City. What's up with that? And the lack of good characters just make a lot hard to be interested by the story. 

 

About the color palette, i actually like it, think it turns out pretty beautiful and stylish sometimes in the game. But is kinda obvious that they used this color scheme just to say "That's a very serious game, not made for baby kids that can't understand a mature story and well writing like the one that we made for this game because yeah we are ADUTLS and we like ADULT sh*t like idk maybe WATCHMEN, ever heard of it??? Haha i guess you don't because you're a baby kid man you wouldn't get it such mature themes"

 

Maybe i overreacted a little bit, but ok hehe

[The Tracker]

10 minutes ago, dantedenirodeniro said:

The classic "you just don't get it man". I get it man, played the game a lot of times and a still thinks the story is just dumb sometimes. Niko goes to America to change his life, to search a more pacifist way of living, but then, 30 seconds later, he start to kills people and decides to turn into one of the biggest criminals of Liberty City.

 

Lmao, he literally came to Liberty City for revenge, REVENGE, not that hard to understand when he explains it literally in the 13 mission.

 

 

10 minutes ago, dantedenirodeniro said:

And the lack of good characters just make a lot hard to be interested by the story. 

 

Better than GTA V manchild characters, that's for sure.

Edited February 22, 2021 by The Tracker

[Dante De Niro]

1 minute ago, The Tracker said:

Better than GTA V manchild characters, that's for sure.

Alright then, mister serious adult mature gamer. 

[Kris194]

8 minutes ago, dantedenirodeniro said:

Niko goes to America to change his life, to search a more pacifist way of living, but then, 30 seconds later, he start to kills people and decides to turn into one of the biggest criminals of Liberty City.

You just proved, that you don't get GTA IV story at all, even beginning of it.

[The Tracker]

Just now, dantedenirodeniro said:

Alright then, mister serious adult mature gamer. 

 

Alright then, Mr. "I have no argumments so I'll proceed to say non sensical sh*t"

[Dante De Niro]

6 minutes ago, The Tracker said:

 

Lmao, he literally came to Liberty City for revenge, REVENGE, not that hard to understand when he explains it in the 13 mission.

What? No man, he kills Vlad because he slept with Roman's girlfriend lol

[The Tracker]

Just now, dantedenirodeniro said:

What? No man, he kills Vlad because he slept with Roman's girlfriend lol

 

That has nothing to do with what he came to Liberty City for, lmao.

[Dante De Niro]

1 minute ago, The Tracker said:

 

Alright then, Mr. "I have no argumments so I'll proceed to say non sensical sh*t"

Sorry, let me elaborate then. I do not think that GTA V are manchilds just because they made a lot of jokes and etc, GTA V characters are in fact very absurd and interesting personalities, like Trevor, for example. It's very interesting to see the dynamic of those characters in various situations, but I can't say that about GTA IV characters... I think Niko it's a really good protagonist, Roman it's annoying but that's his role and that's ok, Little Jacob it's cool sometimes, Packie holds up to be carismatic, and Michelle had a interesting plot. Besides those guys, I can't think of anyone else. In GTA V's case, i think almost the whole cast had a interesting personality. (sorry about the bad english)

5 minutes ago, The Tracker said:

 

That has nothing to do with what he came to Liberty City for, lmao.

Yeah i know, that's what i'm saying. But I remembered the revenge thing, it was something about the guy that sold Niko's unit during war or something like that, yeah, you're right about that.

[Dante De Niro]

9 minutes ago, Damien Scott said:

lmao

lmao

I don't want to sh*t on GTA IV's head. I really really like this game, just think it's kinda overrated. Sorry if i offended someone 

[Cheatz/Trickz]

 

 

And this is just the start. Watch the whole video. 

 

Anyway I don't think the game is hated really, it's just seen as a disappointment in comparison to previous GTAs by most. Expectations were unreasonably high due to the foundations laid down by San Andreas and IV, that's why I like to cut V some slack in many areas it faltered. 

 

Edited February 22, 2021 by Cheatz/Trickz

[Dante De Niro]

46 minutes ago, Cheatz/Trickz said:

 

 

And this is just the start. Watch the whole video. 

 

Anyway I don't think the game is hated really, it's just seen as a disappointment in comparison to previous GTAs by most. Expectations were unreasonably high due to the foundations laid down by San Andreas and IV, that's why I like to cut V some slack in many areas it faltered. 

 

Man, i'm sorry, can't watch the video right now. I presume that as vídeo shows GTA V's flaws, and don't get me wrong about that, it have a LOT of flaws, especially technical flaws, AI is downgraded, euphoria, car damage, etc. But i dont think those things are sufficient to make it worst than GTA IV. Man, GTA V got so much valuable things, very good customization, a very good variety of cars, activies, biomes, scenarios, a very good story with iconic characters, the idea of 3 protagonists works so f*cking well and they manage to execute this idea almost perfectly, it's a very detailed game ahead of his time just like GTA IV was. Maybe my opinion changes after i watch the video you linked 

[Cheatz/Trickz]

1 minute ago, dantedenirodeniro said:

Man, i'm sorry, can't watch the video right now. I presume that as vídeo shows GTA V's flaws, and don't get me wrong about that, it have a LOT of flaws, especially technical flaws, AI is downgraded, euphoria, car damage, etc. But i dont think those things are sufficient to make it worst than GTA IV. Man, GTA V got so much valuable things, very good customization, a very good variety of cars, activies, biomes, scenarios, a very good story with iconic characters, the idea of 3 protagonists works so f*cking well and they manage to execute this idea almost perfectly, it's a very detailed game ahead of his time just like GTA IV was. Maybe my opinion changes after i watch the video you linked 

 

It shows some very lazy design decisions. 

 

I've got my praises for V too, it is highly detailed, but it just isn't a game that knows fully what it wants to be. If Rockstar had not demonstrated their storytelling chops with IV and RDR before it, I think V's story wouldn't be as hated on as it is by the majority of fans.

 

I can't say I am a fan of having three protagonists, the switching to me seems rather pointless as it just boils down to "shoot over here with Michael, or here with Trevor". The three characters lack distinctive fighting styles or weapon options. If there was some restrictions, like only Michael being able to use certain weapons, and only allowing Trevor to fly, it would have given them some distinction and made the switching more justified. It also confuses me why we can't switch during hangouts? That imo is not acceptable, for such a prominently marketed feature. The switch mechanic in free roam is literally worthless for actual gameplay and serves at best as a means to traverse the map fast or to show the quirky switch cutscenes. 

[Raj The Rager]

On 2/21/2021 at 3:33 AM, The Tracker said:

How come everyone that defends GTA V on this forum loves to highlight it as one of the best titles in gaming history? That just kills your whole credibility, If you really think that you definitely don't play many games.

Yeah because fans of IV, SA, VC, III and so on don't act the same way about their favorite GTA's here ... If you hate GTA V just say that, don't knock someone for liking something.

Edited February 23, 2021 by Raj The Rager

[Excalibur Voltaire]

On 2/21/2021 at 2:58 PM, Criteria3908 said:

Like I don't think GTA V deserves THAT much of hatred, I think GTA V is one of the best in the series if not the whole gaming industry, like I dont see how it was THAT bad at all. Its still one of my favorite games of all time.

People have different preferences

[B Dawg]

12 hours ago, dantedenirodeniro said:

Man, i'm sorry, can't watch the video right now. I presume that as vídeo shows GTA V's flaws, and don't get me wrong about that, it have a LOT of flaws, especially technical flaws, AI is downgraded, euphoria, car damage, etc. But i dont think those things are sufficient to make it worst than GTA IV. Man, GTA V got so much valuable things, very good customization, a very good variety of cars, activies, biomes, scenarios, a very good story with iconic characters, the idea of 3 protagonists works so f*cking well and they manage to execute this idea almost perfectly, it's a very detailed game ahead of his time just like GTA IV was. Maybe my opinion changes after i watch the video you linked 

I'd suggest watching the video from 17:08 because some of the things mentioned are also a thing in IV (top speeds in all games, faraway drivers changing models, maybe vehicle despawning?), and the most important issues are discussed in great detail later.

 

But anyway, the technicals are what make the game. The most important aspects of GTA are the vehicles and the wanted system, and then you have the lesser but still important ones such as AI & combat. Now, even if we disregard the handling of vehicles, which is a very dividing subject among many people, every other aspect of the vehicle experience is objectively downgraded. The damage (for the most part, vehicles don't deform nearly as much but they can lose wheels), collision/pushing physics (which is really stupid considering IV actually made it fun to crash into other vehicles), inability to leave the engine running after leaving a vehicle (then they should have just removed engine states to be more like 3D era then), losing health from car crashes and guaranteed 50% health loss or instant death if you get ejected from it, and that's before your character even hits the ground.

Customization and variety isn't important if the vehicles themselves aren't as good.

 

Then you have the police, the video showing all the regressions from IV, on top of that making it very easy to get wanted stars and hard to lose them (takes way too long), without making any advancements or bringing back anything good from the 3D era that was missing in IV (like nightsticks/melee combat with police at 1 star).

 

Etc.. etc...

Edited February 23, 2021 by B Dawg

[Fake Lilina]

15 hours ago, The Tracker said:

Better than GTA V manchild characters, that's for sure.

Especially that abomination of mankind, Trisha I think it's name was.

Edited February 23, 2021 by Fake Lilina

[Fake Lilina]

On 2/22/2021 at 3:31 AM, ChiroVette said:

more engaging story

How engaging? Engaging enough as Chop humping a female dog? Or how about as engaging as wasting your life away with Microtransactions. Or maybe both? Either way, I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

[Kris194]

13 hours ago, Cheatz/Trickz said:

And this is just the start. Watch the whole video. 

 

Anyway I don't think the game is hated really, it's just seen as a disappointment in comparison to previous GTAs by most. Expectations were unreasonably high due to the foundations laid down by San Andreas and IV, that's why I like to cut V some slack in many areas it faltered. 

Police in GTA V makes me think, that they just wait for anyone to try to mess with them so they can activate their terminator mode. Regarding AI overall, it's mixed bag. It has some improvements over GTA IV but sometimes it's so stupid that it makes you want to bang your head against the desk.

 

34 minutes ago, B Dawg said:

collision/pushing physics (which is really stupid considering IV actually made it fun to crash into other vehicles),

The worst thing is, that it's not only less fun but it's also not realistic, at all. If anyone thinks, that car can't push other car then he/she should take a few physics lessons or at the very least watch some "car crash compilation" videos on youtube. It's just one of examples, that something realistic can also be fun.

[ChiroVette]

29 minutes ago, Fake Lilina said:

How engaging? Engaging enough as Chop humping a female dog? Or how about as engaging as wasting your life away with Microtransactions. Or maybe both? Either way, I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

 

Well I never, ever, ever spent a single dime in microtransactions in GTA V or GTAO. I don't think you can actually buy anything for SP, though. That said, that is online, and I think I was talking about engaging SP? Anyway, yeah, I stand by that. V has a great videogame story, it really does. Definitely an improvement over its predecessor by a long way. Then again, that isn't too hard to accomplish if I'm honest.

 

35 minutes ago, Fake Lilina said:

Especially that abomination of mankind, Trisha I think it's name was.

 

Oh come on! Trevor is awesome!!

[Dante De Niro]

48 minutes ago, B Dawg said:

I'd suggest watching the video from 17:08 because some of the things mentioned are also a thing in IV (top speeds in all games, faraway drivers changing models, maybe vehicle despawning?), and the most important issues are discussed in great detail later.

 

But anyway, the technicals are what make the game. The most important aspects of GTA are the vehicles and the wanted system, and then you have the lesser but still important ones such as AI & combat. Now, even if we disregard the handling of vehicles, which is a very dividing subject among many people, every other aspect of the vehicle experience is objectively downgraded. The damage (for the most part, vehicles don't deform nearly as much but they can lose wheels), collision/pushing physics (which is really stupid considering IV actually made it fun to crash into other vehicles), inability to leave the engine running after leaving a vehicle (then they should have just removed engine states to be more like 3D era then), losing health from car crashes and guaranteed 50% health loss or instant death if you get ejected from it, and that's before your character even hits the ground.

Customization and variety isn't important if the vehicles themselves aren't as good.

 

Then you have the police, the video showing all the regressions from IV, on top of that making it very easy to get wanted stars and hard to lose them (takes way too long), without making any advancements or bringing back anything good from the 3D era that was missing in IV (like nightsticks/melee combat with police at 1 star).

 

Etc.. etc...

Actually, i don't think those things are objectily downgrades but design choices that works well with GTA V's world, the traction is way more easy to control (GTA IV was kinda unrealistic, to be honest. If you ever drove a car in your life you'ill know that) and that goes to the damage too, but I do prefer the GTA IV damage as well, going to agree with you on that part. About the engine, actually you can leave it running after leaving the vehicle, you just need to put your character on "action mode", then it will leave the engine running everytime he leaves the car. Yes, i do think as well that the car crashes should be more punitive, but that is not a game breaking detail or something. What do you mean about vehicles not being good? What's wrong about them?

 

I think this forum love to bring up some details about GTA V that is in fact a let down, but the boys around here treat it like game breaking details and the coming of the anti-christ. Dude, GTA V is in fact one of the best games in gaming history, it's a game running for 8 years man, no bad game can run for 8 years. In my opinion: 80% of GTA V's critiquers are just hipsters that like to critique the current GTA and are going to sh*t on GTA VI's head when it releases as well... 

[Dante De Niro]

40 minutes ago, Fake Lilina said:

How engaging? Engaging enough as Chop humping a female dog? Or how about as engaging as wasting your life away with Microtransactions. Or maybe both? Either way, I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

What are you talking about? There is no microtransactions in SP, lol. Dude, this comment right here is the proof that people on this forum LOVES to sh*t on GTA V and they don't even know why. Chop humping a female dog was like a funny gag scene that lasted 5 seconds in the whole game, how the f*ck can you bring this up to critique the game? All GTAs in history had this kind of scene, even in GTA IV. That's Rockstar sense of humor. 

[Dante De Niro]

54 minutes ago, Fake Lilina said:

Especially that abomination of mankind, Trisha I think it's name was.

How can someone think Trevor's a bad character man lmao