What's up with immense hatred towards GTA V?

[ThatBenGuy1998]

8 hours ago, Wolfman_ said:

 

I've realized that no one who considers himself to be a GTA IV "fan" (or GTA V "fan" for that matter) can be called "sane". 

 

Unfortunately there's no supergroup that can represent you guys. Perhaps the X-Men, but that's just a lot of work. I'll leave that to you.

Yeah. I've realized that too. That's why I'm thinking to switching over to GTA III as my new fav GTA for the past couple of months. I don't want to be a part of this site's IV vs. V insanity anymore. Sorry but I need to be left out of it. IV/EFLC will ALWAYS hold a special place in my heart no matter what. I still think it's a perfectly written game but then again so are GTA III and CTW. Plus, both of those games actually have sane fanbases, thus making them double wins!

[Algonquin Assassin]

4 hours ago, ThatBenGuy said:

Yeah. I've realized that too. That's why I'm thinking to switching over to GTA III as my new fav GTA for the past couple of months. I don't want to be a part of this site's IV vs. V insanity anymore. Sorry but I need to be left out of it. IV/EFLC will ALWAYS hold a special place in my heart no matter what. I still think it's a perfectly written game but then again so are GTA III and CTW. Plus, both of those games actually have sane fanbases, thus making them double wins!

If it’s GTA III that’s ok, but if it’s San Andreas, LCS or VCS I’d wipe you off my Facebook friends list.

 

Jks I’d still luv ya like an unwanted cousin or something.

[Dick Justice]

The crux of this debate is that these two games compete. They don't. They're of the same series and genre. It's not like comparing apples to oranges, it's like comparing leopards to cheetahs. Ultimately, IV and V are both GTA games that are good in their own way. They are only battling in the hearts and minds of the series most belligerent fans.

[KingAJ032304]

On 3/16/2021 at 3:20 PM, Ondr4H said:

You have points!

I always saw SR as crazy parody of GTA I dont bother with it, but I see some strong points in fun factor of craziness that always missed in GTA.


Now Im waiting for Saints Row Third remastered on steam to give it a try.

Really you would want to play SR2 if you're feeling like playing the 3D universe but perfected in gameplay while also still taking itself quite serious as a gang game (tbh sr2 reminds me more of VC than SA story, protagonists, and tone wise)

[Zello]

On 3/16/2021 at 10:59 AM, ChiroVette said:

 

Saints Row is an example of a series that started out with a reputation of being very derivative of GTA, even though it really wasn't. In fact, as much as I love SR and SR2, both of those games were met with lukewarm responses from the reviewers who just played enough of the game to see the GTA similarities, but obviously didn't go much beyond the surface of the game. Even waaaay back in 2005, when I played the original SR on the 360, I saw a lot of similarities between it and San Andreas, but I also saw a lot of differences, the deeper into the game I got. In a sense, even  SR and SR2 were kind of like San Andreas's batsh*t, crazy little brother. The thing about SRTT that I like is that the series finally emerged from GTA's shadow in the minds of critics and players alike, and the media finally accepted Saints Row as its own unique thing. No easy task. By the way, insanely OTT or not, I LOVE SRIV and GooH. Insanely fun games.

 

Just one thing about the storyline of SRTT and other SR titles. I actually enjoy the stores. They are nowhere near Rockstar quality, but they are whimsical, fun, comedic, and don't take themselves seriously in the least bit. One thing I also love about SR is that Volition sometime between SRTT and SRIV came out with a new mantra, Fun Trumps All! To me, that sums up SR perfectly. They create fun stories, with fast, snappy humor and dialog, but Volition has always refused to tether the gameplay to the story, and concern themselves with whether or not VTOL's, crazy alien weapons, and super powers are believable for the story. There was one line I thought was funny in SRIV, that was I believe the devs mocking this very idea of strangling gameplay with story. Something over the top and stupid was going on with super powers or strange weapons or both, and the main character says, "f*ck context." as if to make fun of the whole idea of context in videogames.

I'm more of a fan of the first two Saints Row games and hate the direction that it's gone in. But what I liked about Saints Row 1 was that it felt like a more streets based game than San Andreas. Rockstar just touched the surface but Saints Row and Volition went deeper though it did have some cheesy stuff.

Edited March 26, 2021 by Zello

[Jeansowaty]

On 3/23/2021 at 10:57 PM, ThatBenGuy said:

Yeah. I've realized that too. That's why I'm thinking to switching over to GTA III as my new fav GTA for the past couple of months. I don't want to be a part of this site's IV vs. V insanity anymore. Sorry but I need to be left out of it. IV/EFLC will ALWAYS hold a special place in my heart no matter what. I still think it's a perfectly written game but then again so are GTA III and CTW. Plus, both of those games actually have sane fanbases, thus making them double wins!

Eh, I don't think that mentality is that great. I mean there's so many dumb f*cks out there who are like "I hate GTA IV or V because of the community!". They don't even give a sh*t about the game itself, they just look at the toxic community. Same for Undertale back in the day, people thought the fanbase is cringy so the game has to be cringy too. The fanbase still is imo, but the game is beautiful imo.

[Excalibur Voltaire]

Regardless, watching fanboys fighting to defend their favorite game is always an infinite source of entertainment for me

[B Dawg]

8 hours ago, KingAJ032304 said:

Really you would want to play SR2 if you're feeling like playing the 3D universe but perfected in gameplay while also still taking itself quite serious as a gang game (tbh sr2 reminds me more of VC than SA story, protagonists, and tone wise)

I wouldn't call it perfected. If the driving was good and health regen wasn't a thing (+ some combat encounter balancing, because it's either too easy or you die to bullsh*t you can't react to), it could have close to that.

[ChiroVette]

3 hours ago, Zello said:

I'm more of a fan of the first two Saints Row games and hate the direction that it's gone in. But what I liked about Saints Row 1 was that it felt like a more streets based game than San Andreas. Rockstar just touched the surface but Saints Row and Volition went deeper though it did have some cheesy stuff.

 

The thing I loved about Saints Row is just that. The first two games had their OTT aspects, but were a lot more grounded. SRTT, SRIV, and GooH all got progressively more off the hook. But the thing is that when I want a more gang focused game, then SR has them in the first two. When I want a more wild, zany sandbox, the last games have that. I give Volition a lot of credit for not maintaining the same grounded, gang-centric philosophy as they evolved the series. It prevented things from getting stale. Also, San Andreas was very gang focused, and so was GTA III and to a lesser extent Vice City. As much as SR was different from San Andreas, you had to scratch the surface to get there. Because most players and a lot of reviewers are more casuals, so it seemed like nothing but a GTA clone, and both critics and gamers looked at it that way. I never did, and clearly you didn't either.

 

But the problem Volition faced with SR is that neither SR nor SR2 could get out of GTA's shadow. You may not like the direction SR went, but it was literally the only thing that put the series on the map, and stopped the tepid responses from critics who barely tolerated it as GTA's unruly stepchild. Say what you want about SRTT, but that game sold amazingly. And thanks to that game and SRIV, at least the series was no longer relegated to being some cult sandbox game that almost nobody but players like you and I even knew about.

Edited March 26, 2021 by ChiroVette

[AmigaMix]

1 hour ago, ChiroVette said:

The thing I loved about Saints Row is just that. The first two games had their OTT aspects, but were a lot more grounded. SRTT, SRIV, and GooH all got progressively more off the hook. But the thing is that when I want a more gang focused game, then SR has them in the first two. When I want a more wild, zany sandbox, the last games have that. I give Volition a lot of credit for not maintaining the same grounded, gang-centric philosophy as they evolved the series. It prevented things from getting stale. [...] most players and a lot of reviewers are more casuals, so [SR prior to SRTT] seemed like nothing but a GTA clone, and both critics and gamers looked at it that way. I never did, and clearly you didn't either.

 

I think a lot of people would have been more receptive towards SRTT, if it wasn't so uninspired.

 

What I love about SR2, is the insane level of care which went into it: Stilwater is unbelievable enganging with its variety, interactivity and general "atmosphere" (somewhat subjective, I know). 

The amount of different pedestrians (their "colorfulness" rivaling GTA IIIs/SAs peds), customization, activities, "variable" story - structure and the sheer number of creative locations (From places like the prison Island, a giant underground shopping mall or the university district, down to smaller things like music stores and night clubs), are all things which volition seemingly deemed "too much hassle" and subsequently cut or downgraded, when they made SRTT.

 

The problem with SRTT isn't that it is too OTT, the problem's that it is a "baser" game.

 

Edited March 26, 2021 by AmigaMix

[ChiroVette]

3 hours ago, AmigaMix said:

 

I think a lot of people would have been more receptive towards SRTT, if it wasn't so uninspired.

 

 

 

I disagree with you if you're speaking globally, about the gameplay, missions, and I am even all right with the downgrades to the player customizing. But the map is definitely uninspired. Steelport in TT and IV is a lot of fun, from a purely gameplay standpoint, but the map and the visuals in most place, is just completely lackluster. I have a great time playing in Steelport because I love the game, the humor, the OTT and unhinged elements, but my eyes always take a little while to adjust to the visuals of the map.

 

Stillwater, on the other hand, was a fantastic map, almost through and through. I don't think it rivals any GTA map, but it still is beautiful.

Edited March 26, 2021 by ChiroVette

[AmigaMix]

3 hours ago, ChiroVette said:

I disagree with you if you're speaking globally, about the gameplay, missions

Spoiler

 

I was really only thinking relatively to SR2, and then mostly in terms of framing, "detail" and general world building, as the gameplay stays mostly the same:

• Being able to order food at a drive-through or in a chinese restaurant doesn't add to gameplay, but it's cool nonetheless.
• While both SR2 and SR:TT have very similar activities (e.g. insurance fraud), 2, unlike TT, introduces them in short cut scenes which offer (somewhat ham-fisted) explanations from a narrative standpoint.
• SR2 has you struggling with three different gangs, each with their "stand alone" story arcs, or rather story lines... TT also has three different gangs, but instead takes a much more linear approach.
• Speaking of streamlining: In 2 one can actually finish "Hitman" - contracts "accidentally", simply due to their openness. TT, on the other hand, has you locked into one contract per list.
• No Day/Night-circle in SR:TT (wtf?)

Since this really isn't the appropriate thread, the above points shall suffice...

 

TT is definitely a polished game and has a general sense of "direction" and coherency, There are things TT improves over its predecessors, but most of those things are in the "quality of life" - areas.

At times, it feels like TT is so "over-polished", it suffers collateral damage in form of missing detail. 

 

Incidentally: SR:IV, which gets a lot of flack from SR1/2 fans, is IMO a much more enjoyable game than TT... 

 

 

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Maybe I'm missing the forest for the trees, but how come this thread is still in the "Series" - section instead of the "V" - section? Did it get reverse - quarantined or something? 

 

 

Edited March 26, 2021 by AmigaMix

[Americana]

Maybe because this thread is only 30% about Grand Theft Auto V and more about personal issues, and apparently Saint's Row, too.

Edited March 26, 2021 by Americana

[Zello]

On 3/26/2021 at 5:26 AM, ChiroVette said:

Also, San Andreas was very gang focused, and so was GTA III and to a lesser extent Vice City. As much as SR was different from San Andreas, you had to scratch the surface to get there. Because most players and a lot of reviewers are more casuals, so it seemed like nothing but a GTA clone, and both critics and gamers looked at it that way. I never did, and clearly you didn't either.

 

This is the original trailer for Saints Row. The saints were actually green but they changed it after the reception that San Andreas received. What I loved about the first Saints Row was that it captured the early 2000's bling bling style that was around back then. GTA never really did explore that side of the era even though GTA III was set in 2001 and GTA IV was set at the end of the 2000s when all that stuff was pretty much gone.

 

GTA will take you to the strip club but Saints Row will take you to the pawn shop and the liquor store (Well they did..not anymore ).

Edited March 30, 2021 by Zello

[ChiroVette]

4 hours ago, Zello said:

 

This is the original trailer for Saints Row. The saints were actually green but they changed it after the reception that San Andreas received. What I loved about the first Saints Row was that it captured the early 2000's bling bling style that was around back then. GTA never really did explore that side of the era even though GTA III was set in 2001 and GTA IV was set at the end of the 2000s when all that stuff was pretty much gone.

 

GTA will take you to the strip club but Saints Row will take you to the pawn shop and the liquor store (Well they did..not anymore ).

 

Wow that video is a blast from the past. Honestly, I always thought that the reason they changed it from that bright green color to purple is because it may have been a little too close to the colors of Grove Street Families in San Andreas. I agree with you about all the 2000's bling and stuff. It was a very well done, street level, gangsta game. So was SR2, by the way.

Edited March 30, 2021 by ChiroVette

[Zello]

On 3/23/2021 at 5:57 PM, ThatBenGuy said:

Yeah. I've realized that too. That's why I'm thinking to switching over to GTA III as my new fav GTA for the past couple of months. I don't want to be a part of this site's IV vs. V insanity anymore. Sorry but I need to be left out of it. IV/EFLC will ALWAYS hold a special place in my heart no matter what. I still think it's a perfectly written game but then again so are GTA III and CTW. Plus, both of those games actually have sane fanbases, thus making them double wins!

Come join the LCS fanbase.