How to make RDO more challenging

[Potter145]

I recommend to you a set of optional rules you can apply for some missions or whenever you want, hopefully making the game more challenging. This playstyle feels different and you need to adapt. Obviously you can't play the entire time like this, but mix it up from time to time. If you don't like free aim, you can also just apply all the other rules using auto aim. 

 

You can also just apply a few of them and simply use this as a basis to inspire you. 

 

I recommend playing this way with other like minded people. 

 

Optional Rules:

 

1. Set the game to free aim

2. Completely remove aim assist

3. Remove all your ability cards

4. Don't use tonics

5. Only use repeater carbine and cattleman revolver

6. Remove your second holster

7. Only use normal ammo

8. Remove all the upgrades from these weapons

9. Only use gun oil and fill your white cores between missions

10. Don't use food that makes your cores golden

11. Use the sh*ttiest horse and saddle available

12. Wear a broke ass outfit

13. Get a sh*tty haircut

 

To warm up try some free roam missions first and later go to a legendary bounty. Player interaction can be fun as well. 

 

I hope this inspired you. Have fun. 

[CosmicBuffalo]

Its a game...most people wont complete these missions on Ruthless even with all this stuff active.  First, there is no incentive to do so.  Second, there is plenty to do in this game.  5 star bounties solo are no different.  Also, moonshiner story missions on ruthless.  You may need to use tonics or cards.  They puts terminator ai in this game because it assumes you are using the perks.  Unless you are 100% stealth a mission, it would be nearly impossible without sitting in cover basically the whole time to do any mission on ruthless without some perks.

Edited February 20, 2021 by CosmicBuffalo

[Krommer]

Nah, free aim is the worst. I hate trying to kill a legendary with it, even.

 

My gold cores constantly disappearing, every few minutes whether from food I make or the camp stew, is already

challenge enough; they also drop both going in, as well as out, of the telegram missions.

 

Then you already have a moonshine/trader delivery possibly not loading.

 

At least I'm playing on Xbox, so no PC modder/griefers.

[Potter145]

2 hours ago, CosmicBuffalo said:

Its a game...most people wont complete these missions on Ruthless even with all this stuff active.  First, there is no incentive to do so.

 

The incentive is the challenge, not the monetary reward. These rules are obviously for core players who are skilled in free aim. 

But simply playing like this in free roam with friends is very fun.

 

9 minutes ago, Krommer said:

Nah, free aim is the worst. I hate trying to kill a legendary with it, even.

 

It's all practice. It's preference in the end of course and I have been having fun with auto aim as well. 

Free aim is just another way to play and many missions have become too easy with auto aim and all the perks. 

This puts your mind back to the beta days when you were doing free roam missions with beginner equipment. Kind of nostalgic and of course a little more challenging, but definitely doable!

Edited February 20, 2021 by Potter145

[StyxTx]

My solution to solve the boredom problem, play my other games. RDO is not that great a game that I feel the need to play every day. I'll play only if my friends are on cuz we have fun but not solo anymore.

 

I don't play any game that no longer is entertaining. If I have to resort to coming up with ideas to try to make it more fun then it's time to move on.

Edited February 20, 2021 by StyxTx

[CosmicBuffalo]

5 hours ago, Potter145 said:

 

The incentive is the challenge, not the monetary reward. These rules are obviously for core players who are skilled in free aim. 

But simply playing like this in free roam with friends is very fun.

I guess...I am sure you have a satchel full of small birds and love sniping 1 star deer.  The hunting part of the game is meant to be auto aim.  You are not meant to walk by and hope that a 3 star is in the group that spawned.  You are meant to ride by and toggle them with the auto aim and see if there is a 3 star and carefully shoot it.  I mean different strokes for different folks, I guess, but this primarily a hunting game at least early on.

 

Many of the pvp challenges in the game are far more difficult than what you are proposing, and there are very small rewards.  So small most people dont care.  Also, the challenge you are proposing can be done in 5 star bounties, and moonshiner missions as well.  Since youre rank 100, I would think you would have focused on those with the same rules and been a master at this play style by now.  These missions should be a breeze.  I will add a rule for you.  Never go into cover.  Duck...but remaing behind an object for longer than 3 secs is against the rules.  

 

I mean you hit level 100 the pinacle of Red Dead Online...what else are you going to do?

[AmyStone]

I think some people are missing the point of this thread. I get it. It's purely optional and these are good suggestions on making the game more interesting.

[BUT THE BENZ]

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[StyxTx]

2 hours ago, AmyStone said:

I think some people are missing the point of this thread. I get it. It's purely optional and these are good suggestions on making the game more interesting.

One simple thing they can do is make NPCs a lot tougher and not such pussies. Come on, go into a town and start blasting away and everyone either runs away or use pea shooters to come at you. Make them equal to human players in strength, shooting ability and intelligence. Kinda like revenuers, but even they stand out in the open like idiots.

[aaronBLUEeyes]

19 hours ago, Potter145 said:

1. Set the game to free aim

2. Completely remove aim assist

 You should collapse 1 & 2 because they’re the same thing, if you set the game to free aim — that also removes aim assist.

[fuzzyballs01]

7 hours ago, StyxTx said:

I don't play any game that no longer is entertaining.

really? who would have ever thought, wow

 

 

I'm all for a easy/normal/hard free roam server option, can't enjoy myself if I can't die, and free roam isn't all that tough even when solo

as long as the AI can't headshot you across the map, I'll take bigger number/higher damage/more accurate/less loot/higher damage resistance AI enemies

Edited February 20, 2021 by fuzzyballs01

[Potter145]

5 hours ago, aaronBLUEeyes said:

 You should collapse 1 & 2 because they’re the same thing, if you set the game to free aim — that also removes aim assist.

 

Fact check: Wrong. 

Edited February 21, 2021 by Potter145

[CosmicBuffalo]

He cleaned up the thread to make it a bit more tolerable.  Here's the thing that cards and tonics allow....not sitting in cover.  Once you have played without sitting in cover, its really hard to go back.  Running around going into cover is the cheapest form of play-style especially against npcs...you just sit and wait for enemies to reveal themselves and snipe them one by one....it would take an over hour to finish any ruthless mission with the rules imposed which is boring.  Again, where is the incentive to play like this, ruthless mode is challenging for solo players that dont use cover.  Not only that, there are literally hundreds of in-game challenges to complete to keep the game interesting.  Some which are more difficult than sitting in cover for an hour killing npcs .

 

The initial thread came off as free aim master race.  Also, sounded like a beginner giving advice on how to make the game fun.  The free aim idea is fine when someone is discussing pvp, but seriously npcs, and the first rule isn't cannot use cover...sorry, that's boring af.

[AmyStone]

7 hours ago, StyxTx said:

One simple thing they can do is make NPCs a lot tougher and not such pussies. Come on, go into a town and start blasting away and everyone either runs away or use pea shooters to come at you. Make them equal to human players in strength, shooting ability and intelligence. Kinda like revenuers, but even they stand out in the open like idiots.

 

They should make mission like GTA heists where you get to pick the difficulty. But like so many things in the game they don't like giving players choice. NPCs are pathetic. You can stand in front of 6 of them and they struggle to kill you.

 

I remember getting set upon for supposedly boasting about how easy roadblocks were to clear and that you can clear them with a knife. I've soloed them with just fists before. It's not because I'm anything special. They are just too easy. It's why the most fun I have in the game is PvP. The game kind of pushed me in that direction. Fighting other players is the only challenging thing there is.

Edited February 21, 2021 by AmyStone

[Potter145]

1 hour ago, CosmicBuffalo said:

He cleaned up the thread to make it a bit more tolerable.

 

I changed the headline and edited the text to make it absolutely clear that this is an optional playstyle to make the game more challenging if you are skilled enough. AmyStone, BUT THE BENZ, kcole4001 and others understood what this thread was about from the very beginning. But now hopefully the last person gets it as well. 

 

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Here's the thing that cards and tonics allow....not sitting in cover.  Once you have played without sitting in cover, its really hard to go back. 

 

Simply having auto aim allows you not to use cover, if you are good getting headshots.

Cards and tonics did make the game less challenging for fairly skilled players.

 

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Running around going into cover is the cheapest form of play-style especially against npcs...you just sit and wait for enemies to reveal themselves and snipe them one by one....it would take an over hour to finish any ruthless mission with the rules imposed which is boring.

 

The cheapest play-style is PiB combined with lock-on to always get the headshots.

Free aim doesn't mean you hide behind cover for hours. It's about positioning, footwork and being on the move as well.

I finished rich pickings guns blazing in 12mins and we finished legendary bounties and moonshiner story missions in about 15mins as well. The difference was that it wasn't as easy anymore, it was more challenging, required more skill and thoughtful movement, and was therefore more fun and rewarding when we completed it.

 

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Again, where is the incentive to play like this, ruthless mode is challenging for solo players that dont use cover.

 

The incentive is purely the challenge and different gameplay these rules provide. You need to adapt to new circumstances, it feels fresh. 

I completed these telegram missions with cards, tonics and high level gear as well. One playstyle doesn't exclude the other, you can play how you want and change it up from time to time to make it fun again. 

If you want to hunt, then use auto aim if you want, or don't. I never said everybody needs to play like this for everything all the time. 

 

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Not only that, there are literally hundreds of in-game challenges to complete to keep the game interesting.  Some which are more difficult than sitting in cover for an hour killing npcs .

 

Yes there is a lot of interesting stuff to complete. One doesn't exclude the other. Get it yet?

 

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The initial thread came off as free aim master race.  Also, sounded like a beginner giving advice on how to make the game fun.  The free aim idea is fine when someone is discussing pvp, but seriously npcs, and the first rule isn't cannot use cover...sorry, that's boring af.

 

Proposing playing the game in free aim is not FRee AiM maStEr rAcE. 

I play auto aim from time to time as well.

I'm not a beginner. I'm level 298 and have been playing this game from the beginning. I have all ability cards maxed, all tonics filled, all weapons upgraded, all roles maxed, tons of gold and money. Have been playing auto aim and free aim PvP. Solo and with friends. Completed all legendaries on highest difficulty and the moonshiner missions. 

These rules simply provided another way to play that was more challenging and felt fresh.

 

If you are not good at free aim and think you need to hide behind cover for hours to complete one mission, then I guess don't play it? If you find it boring, why are you bothering with this thread?

 

Your post is like a triggered only-auto-aimer who feels personally attacked when people propose playing the game in free aim, because you are not good at it. 

[CosmicBuffalo]

@Potter145 You cannot use PIB in these ruthless missions solo...you will get killed or you will be downing so many 3 health tonics you will lose money.  All snipers are free aim in this game which I use regularly in these missions.  But I do prefer a shotgun.  Your original thread stated even you had not completed the missions with these rules.  Why make up new challenges when there are others one you have not completed that are more difficult?  So again what is the incentive, when if you are looking for challenge....and have not completed the most challenging things offered in the game.  Whether you intended it or not, the original thread made it seem like you had cracked the code to make the game less repetitive, but all you did was nerf your character and actually make the game more dull.  

[Potter145]

12 minutes ago, CosmicBuffalo said:

@Potter145 You cannot use PIB in these ruthless missions solo...you will get killed or you will be downing so many 3 health tonics you will lose money.  All snipers are free aim in this game which I use regularly in these missions.  But I do prefer a shotgun.  Your original thread stated even you had not completed the missions with these rules.  Why make up new challenges when there are others one you have not completed that are more difficult?  So again what is the incentive, when if you are looking for challenge....and have not completed the most challenging things offered in the game.  Whether you intended it or not, the original thread made it seem like you had cracked the code to make the game less repetitive, but all you did was nerf your character and actually make the game more dull.  

 

I have completed these missions with these rules. 

The only one I haven't completed was specifically Out riders, because that's the hardest mission when using these rules. 

If you think you are really free aiming with snipers and shotguns in these missions, then I have to disappoint you. Even in these missions there is still aim assist enabled making it easy to pick enemies close with shotguns and from a save distance with the carcano.

If you want to free aim 100% you need to disable aim assist as well. Sniping from the distance is not how I feel like a skilled free aim, as this is the definition of what you considered boring before. 

I completed these missions using PiB without snipers and without getting killed BTW.

I used one or two tonics for these. And if you have a lot of cash, you are not worried about losing money. And like I said I completed them with the proposed rules in 12 mins as well. 

You still have this grinder mentally, which is fine. I'm not enforcing my playstyle on you, but you feel personally attacked when someone only cares about the gameplay and challenge.

I nerferd my character to make simple tasks more challenging and honestly it just felt fun to mix it up and goof around with other people dressed like bums like this. Dull for me is completing the same missions with auto aim all the time and thinking you are skilled.

Trying to defeat the enemies in relatively close combat with repeaters and revolvers without aim assist and without PiB is considered being skilled at free aim. 

If you don't like that, then don't play it that way I guess? 

It's all optional and all up to you, no one forces you to play in any way my friend. It's all good

Edited February 21, 2021 by Potter145

[CosmicBuffalo]

@Potter145I wonder why I got the impression "free aim MASTER RACE" from your original post.  But nice try to make it some what tolerable.  Using a shotgun in a ruthless mission does not have aim assist.  Is outrider the one with the wagon where you cannot use cover.  I wonder why you cannot beat it? Now you can just add the rule no using cover and go back and do them all over again.

Edited February 21, 2021 by CosmicBuffalo

[4eyedcoupe]

On 2/19/2021 at 6:43 PM, Potter145 said:

 

Optional Rules:

 

 

5. Only use repeater carbine and cattleman revolver

6. Remove your second holster

7. Only use normal ammo

 

On one of my accounts I only own the carbine and a single cattleman and I only loot ammo, I don't buy it but I do craft split point.  I had the starting horse up to rank 125 until I finally broke down and bought the black turk

[StyxTx]

40 minutes ago, Potter145 said:

Free aim doesn't mean you hide behind cover for hours. It's about positioning, footwork and being on the move as well.

 

I finished rich pickings guns blazing in 12mins and we finished legendary bounties and moonshiner story missions in about 15mins as well. The difference was that it wasn't as easy anymore, it was more challenging, required more skill and thoughtful movement, and was therefore more fun and rewarding when we completed it.

 

I gotta agree about free aim. I do use it quite a bit when I play solo. I'll turn on auto aim when I'm traveling into wolfpack areas though.

 

The strategy it takes to fight free aim is why I love it. You can't just stand there. You have to move, use cover, move again, and use your brains to figure out the best ways to approach situations, though those plans do need adjustment fairly often.

 

I also tend to use the sniper rifles without aim assist quite a lot. In many cases I don't even use them at distances that one would consider sniping distances, certainly not out of the range of the enemy guns. I've also adjusted the settings where the speed at which I can swing around while aiming is pretty slow. I just makes it more challenging.

 

One thing you'll never see me do is to walk into town and begin blasting away while standing in the middle of the road......not on free aim. Auto aim, no problemo.

 

IRL I get really bored, and I mean REALLY bored, real fast when faced with things that don't challenge me so naturally I will look for challenging ways to play the game.

Edited February 21, 2021 by StyxTx

[Potter145]

5 minutes ago, CosmicBuffalo said:

@Potter145I wonder why I got the impression "free aim MASTER RACE" from your original post.  But nice try to make it some what tolerable.  Using a shotgun in a ruthless mission does not have aim assist.  Is outrider the one with the wagon where you cannot use cover.  I wonder why you cannot beat it? Now you can just add the rule no using cover and go back and do them all over again.

 

You are a butt hurt only-auto-aimer who is triggered by people being good at free aim. I get it. 

I for one play auto aim and free aim. 

Out riders is hard because you are on the wagon and all the horse riders approach you. You really need a good aim killing them and I still have a lot to improve. And yes, you need cover to play like this. That's the point, to change your playstyle. Still I managed to beat these missions in 12 mins. 

Gears of War hardcore mp is also not bad because it's free aim and a cover shooter. It's all about the playstyle and challenge. 

If I want to run and gun through a mission again and feel OP I will use cards, tonics and lock on again for sure. 

[CosmicBuffalo]

@Potter145Shotguns have bullet spread, the game does not aim assist you the same way a sniper rifle does.  So, you claim to beat a 5 star legendary bounty mission using nothing but cover in 12 minutes?  I dont buy that for a second.

Edited February 21, 2021 by CosmicBuffalo

[Potter145]

1 minute ago, CosmicBuffalo said:

@Potter145Shotguns have bullet spread, the game does not aim assist you the same way a sniper rifle does.  

 

It does. You will feel the difference when you disable aim assist. Especially in hardcore series. Most people have aim assist enabled that's why they get many shotgun kills. 

Play one match with aim assist and one match without aim assist and try to get as many kills. You will know what I mean. 

 

But to make it absolutely clear: It's optional and play however you want. 

But if I remember correctly in your first post you were dismissive about these rules. But then I ask myself:Why do you even care? 

[Direwrath]

I like to change the weapons I use against the free roam NPCs, so I'm not going in with weapons that I know well. My favorite is the improved bow against the revenue agents which is so much fun. You are running all over the place just firing arrows, running over to pick them up, and doing it all over again.

 

Also I love training my horse the hard way to deal with it's fears, so I'll literally ride my horse into the middle of trouble and turn it in circles just to see how many enemies I can take out before he/she needs a break. Am I suicidal?

 

Lol you bet I am.

 

I do love these ideas you guys, I'll have to try the out too.. 

[CosmicBuffalo]

18 minutes ago, Potter145 said:

But if I remember correctly in your first post you were dismissive about these rules. But then I ask myself:Why do you even care? 

Because your post implies a false assumption that there is nothing to do in the game, so other players need to make up some whackadoo rules.   There is plenty to do in this game unless you are day one grinder that thinks have 100,000 is the point of this game.  Your thread's tone showed right through that you think anyone who uses auto aim is not playing the game the best way...which is fine, but its a laughable position.   I have used shotguns in slippery bastard well before the aim assist crap was added and have noticed no difference.  There is bullet spread that's it.  You notice it on a sniper because the reticle will literally pull with the player...shotguns does not do this.  And to add to your list of nonsense, which should include no cover...3 sec rule like you dropped your cheeto, but whatever...completely optional to spice up your game.  Use one volcanic pistol and the Springfield rifle (no scope).

Edited February 21, 2021 by CosmicBuffalo

[Potter145]

You are completely wrong. 

I play auto aim myself and used this proposed playstyle with other like minded folks to mix things up and goof around. 

It's not my fault that you are the only one who misinterpreted this thread from the beginning.

I never said there is nothing to do, I said that many things are not challenging anymore for many high level players, which is true.

I don't even have 100k. I have 50k and the point in the game for me is to have fun. That's exactly the reason for this playstyle, to have fun. Given your comments about losing money it seems like you think all this game is about is the economy and grinding. Since you think the only incentive is a monetary reward and not the gameplay itself. 

 

If you think that I think free aim is the best way proves my suspicion that you were actually truly triggered by me proposing free aim. 

 

Shotguns have aim assist, so this is completely false. 

 

It's not a list of nonsense. It's optional rules for normal and healthy people. It's not my fault that you are triggered and feel personally attacked when someone uses a different playstyle then you. 

 

Why should I use a no cover rule if I don't want it? You can use it if you want. It' s completely optional. 

Edited February 21, 2021 by Potter145

[CosmicBuffalo]

@Potter145 post proof showing the reticle pull like it does with a sniper rifle.

 

[Potter145]

4 minutes ago, CosmicBuffalo said:

@Potter145 post proof showing the reticle pull like it does with a sniper rifle.

 

 

I don't need to prove it to you, when it's a common fact. You have RDO. Use shotguns with and without aim assist. Simple as that. Aim assist applies to every gun while we are at it BTW. You can feel the same for repeaters etc. 

Edited February 21, 2021 by Potter145

[CosmicBuffalo]

11 minutes ago, Potter145 said:

 

I don't need to prove it to you, when it's a common fact. You have RDO. Use shotguns with and without aim assist. Simple as that. 

I already have done that and noticed no difference.  You revealed yourself to be exactly what your original post was about...free aim > auto aim.  Your original title was something to the effect of, now we have something to do past 100..so yeah, I responded because I completely disagree with that idea.  I do not give 2 craps about money in this.  But it is always a consideration in doing something in this game,  rewards in this game are not monetary they are small little belt buckles no gives 2 craps about.  Your original post implied there is nothing challenging for high levels, specifically you said over 100, but I will go with high level.  Which even at high levels there are plenty of things to shoot for.  For starters, the ruthless missions are challenging for most players that dont spend an hour in cover and memorizing them, so they can beat them with the worst horse or two dirty guns.  Most players including high levels will never even complete them because there is literally no reason to do so.  And all I am trying to figure out is why?  Why would anyone do this?  Your answer was for the challenge, but yet there are literally 100s of challenges many I doubt you completed, so again what is the point if this if not just to humble brag about you did this or make it seem like free aim is better than auto aim.

Edited February 21, 2021 by CosmicBuffalo

[Potter145]

Congratulations you won the prize for person who doesn't get it and is triggered by people proposing challenges.

You also won the prize for the only person that doesn't know aim assist is enabled for all guns. 

 

Anyways, why do I bother with you anyway. As the saying goes, don't feed the trolls.