Can't even enjoy due to griefers

[Havenwrath]

I can't complete anything. There's just no way to enjoy starting this game.. Even in defensive mode. Guess I'll keep on enjoying story mode and not give you any money for an online experience I thought I'd enjoy.

[netnow66]

1 hour ago, Havenwrath said:

I can't complete anything. There's just no way to enjoy starting this game.. Even in defensive mode. Guess I'll keep on enjoying story mode and not give you any money for an online experience I thought I'd enjoy.

I mostly felt the same way you did--though I really didn't enjoy story mode enough to bother with most of it. Fortunately, I'm on PSN and joined a community that helps to avoid most of that while online.

[ZombieBatman]

It's pretty bad on Xbox right now, some things I'm just used to now eg heading into Valentine and pretty much seeing a fire fight. The other day I was taking out a revenue check point thing and while shooting at the agents I had some guy throwing fire bottles at me for the "lolz". You get good days and bad ones with griefers, usually when I head online everyone is pretty chill and just leave each other to it

[Veleno]

when sh*t stains attack you BECAUSE you're in defensive, you know its a broken joke.

[Lonely-Martin]

Yeah, you're not supposed to want to enjoy this game your way, only R*'s way in these type of games now. They want players to be fish in a barrel for the kids n cunts.

[AmyStone]

7 hours ago, Havenwrath said:

I can't complete anything. There's just no way to enjoy starting this game.. Even in defensive mode. Guess I'll keep on enjoying story mode and not give you any money for an online experience I thought I'd enjoy.

 

That sounds a bit over dramatic. I can't believe people are messing with you all the time. I can go for many hours without even seeing another player. What kind of griefing exactly?

[kcole4001]

7 hours ago, ZombieBatman said:

... heading into Valentine and pretty much seeing a fire fight. The other day I was taking out a revenue check point thing and while shooting at the agents I had some guy throwing fire bottles at me for the "lolz". You get good days and bad ones with griefers, usually when I head online everyone is pretty chill and just leave each other to it

Used to be a time when I could do just that: get to Valentine, get off my horse at the butcher's and walk around town to visit the shops I needed to get to while a firefight was going on and no one would hassle me. No weapons drawn and not running made It clear I wasn't part of whatever they were up to.

A few stray shots came close but in the heat of things they probably saw me as an NPC since I was just walking.

 

If it wasn't for cheaters I'd probably still play in public sessions, they're a far worse problem, most griefers will run away after you kill 'em a couple of times, if not switch sessions...or go solo altogether.

It's a real shame they let that sh*te go on, the game could be so much better, but it's all about microtransactions.

Edited February 16, 2021 by kcole4001
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[GrungeNinja]

Thats why I say it should not exist Player Blips on the radar.

[kcole4001]

23 minutes ago, GrungeNinja said:

Thats why I say it should not exist Player Blips on the radar.

You might be right, I'm still not sure how it would play out.

 

I have shot players who I thought were NPCs before starting to pay more attention to the mini map.

 

I wondered why the dude was just sitting by the road on a wagon, then I wondered why he didn't die right away. Luckily I didn't kill him.

I just wanted to loot some bodies at the time.

[djb204]

10 hours ago, Havenwrath said:

I can't complete anything. There's just no way to enjoy starting this game.. Even in defensive mode. Guess I'll keep on enjoying story mode and not give you any money for an online experience I thought I'd enjoy.

What type of things are you not able to complete? You wouldn’t be referring to the long distance Trader sales?

[GrungeNinja]

2 hours ago, kcole4001 said:

You might be right, I'm still not sure how it would play out.

 

I have shot players who I thought were NPCs before starting to pay more attention to the mini map.

 

I wondered why the dude was just sitting by the road on a wagon, then I wondered why he didn't die right away. Luckily I didn't kill him.

I just wanted to loot some bodies at the time.

 It should be an option for those that play defensive, the icon already becomes dim, make it go entirely off radar, this way griefers will have a harder time to annoy ppl that want to play low profile. 

[Sam Doe]

I recently started playing again after a long break and had a surreal encounter.

 

I was delivering moonshine solo while in defensive, when a player started blasting me with ex rounds. Wagon dead, cargo lost, a few kill exchange later he sends me a novel explaining that because of PVE players we would not get more updates and that I was responsible as a role player. 

 

Tried to tell him about business 101 (i.e = sales numbers mean updates and rdr sure doesnt sell as much as gta, even worse for the gtao/rdr comparison) 

 

Im still bugged about his way of thinking

[kcole4001]

21 minutes ago, Sam Doe said:

I recently started playing again after a long break and had a surreal encounter.

 

I was delivering moonshine solo while in defensive, when a player started blasting me with ex rounds. Wagon dead, cargo lost, a few kill exchange later he sends me a novel explaining that because of PVE players we would not get more updates and that I was responsible as a role player. 

 

Tried to tell him about business 101 (i.e = sales numbers mean updates and rdr sure doesnt sell as much as gta, even worse for the gtao/rdr comparison) 

 

Im still bugged about his way of thinking

There's no point in arguing with griefers, their way is the only way, at least that's how they think.

That's a BS reason anyway.

 

To be realistic, does his logic make you change your mind?

No.

Then consider that yours won't alter his pov.

Arguing with them is a waste of time because no one will reconsider their opinion, and they likely just want to make you mad anyway.

 

A guy tried hassling me once selling shine, though he wanted to provoke me to be hostile first so tried throwing dynamite at the wagon, but like most griefers had terrible aim.

Eventually he shot me off the wagon, then threw fire bottles to set it alight, so when I got back to the wagon I killed him and switched sessions

Since the wagon was only being damaged and not destroyed yet I still had my shine batch to sell and he had just wasted his ammo and dynamite for nothing.

[LunaStrky :3]

57 minutes ago, kcole4001 said:

There's no point in arguing with griefers, their way is the only way, at least that's how they think.

That's a BS reason anyway.

 

To be realistic, does his logic make you change your mind?

No.

Then consider that yours won't alter his pov.

Arguing with them is a waste of time because no one will reconsider their opinion, and they likely just want to make you mad anyway.

 

A guy tried hassling me once selling shine, though he wanted to provoke me to be hostile first so tried throwing dynamite at the wagon, but like most griefers had terrible aim.

Eventually he shot me off the wagon, then threw fire bottles to set it alight, so when I got back to the wagon I killed him and switched sessions

Since the wagon was only being damaged and not destroyed yet I still had my shine batch to sell and he had just wasted his ammo and dynamite for nothing.

 

Well on PC I'd wish there were at least one way to argue qith them without having a Mic, It's pretty annoying to be riding through the map, minding your own bussines (Even beeing in Defensive mode, which for I can see serves no purpose) and get sniped by a d*uch*bag, I want to tell him how Idiot he is, but is like R* cutted off my character's tongue (or fingers, you know). At least in GTA you have the general chat to insult them.

[kcole4001]

54 minutes ago, LunaStrky :3 said:

 

Well on PC I'd wish there were at least one way to argue qith them without having a Mic, It's pretty annoying to be riding through the map, minding your own bussines (Even beeing in Defensive mode, which for I can see serves no purpose) and get sniped by a d*uch*bag, I want to tell him how Idiot he is, but is like R* cutted off my character's tongue (or fingers, you know). At least in GTA you have the general chat to insult them.

I suspect if you frustrate them and leave it irritates them more, which to me is funny.

They really just want to see people get mad.

Maybe they'll grow up some day...probably not.

[CosmicBuffalo]

I wish there were more griefers.

[Direwrath]

I'm on the Xbox and although I ran into quite a few players today they were all busy doing their own things, had a couple level 20's in Valentine that I thought might be a problem but they were just milling about to get a peek of my horse and moved on. With the Xbox it really is a hit and miss to find rambunctious players, but I am glad to admit that things are typically peaceful and sometimes downright entertaining. 

 

 

[Infectious]

I'm not quite understanding the complaint of dying in a game with almost no penalty and one that gives you a free 10 min invulnerability option on top of that. Been playing over 270 hours and sure there are a few griefers here and there, but not enough that you cannot play. They MIGHT waste at most 5 mins. Had a parley with a posse of 3 as I was delivering a resupply wagon for trader. They burned the wagon (even in Parley), but it wasted at most 5 mins as I redid the mission. Rarely happens. 

 

Parley and defensive mode are your best friends if you're having problems. The real complaints should be directed at the near unlimited amounts of hackers/modders/cheaters that continuously plague the game. 

Edited February 17, 2021 by Infectious

[Krommer]

1 hour ago, Direwrath said:

I'm on the Xbox and although I ran into quite a few players today they were all busy doing their own things,

 

Yeah I still am not having problems with people bothering me, on Xbox One;

SO glad I'm not trying to PC it.

 

These new solo telegram missions seem cool, for that problem.

Edited February 17, 2021 by Krommer

[AmyStone]

Back in the very early days of this game griefing was a big problem. That combined with the fact you lost everything that was on your horse when you were shot. I'd often spend 15 minutes hunting and filling my horse but then not being able to get to the butchers without getting shot. That happened a lot. These days the very large majority of players are peaceful. You'll get gunfights in Saint Denis quite often but pretty much everywhere else is safe. I's still like to know how you are getting griefed exactly.

Edited February 17, 2021 by AmyStone

[StyxTx]

6 hours ago, Infectious said:

I'm not quite understanding the complaint of dying in a game with almost no penalty and one that gives you a free 10 min invulnerability option on top of that. Been playing over 270 hours and sure there are a few griefers here and there, but not enough that you cannot play. They MIGHT waste at most 5 mins. Had a parley with a posse of 3 as I was delivering a resupply wagon for trader. They burned the wagon (even in Parley), but it wasted at most 5 mins as I redid the mission. Rarely happens. 

 

Parley and defensive mode are your best friends if you're having problems. The real complaints should be directed at the near unlimited amounts of hackers/modders/cheaters that continuously plague the game. 

Parlay doesn't work against posses. It may stop the one that killed you but not the rest.

[AmyStone]

15 minutes ago, StyxTx said:

Parlay doesn't work against posses. It may stop the one that killed you but not the rest.

 

It does sometimes. I've never been able to work out the rules of how it works. Sometimes when someone parleys it counts for the whole posse and sometimes just for one person. Maybe they have to parley with the leader.

[netnow66]

Yup, different people, different experiences and different desires.

 

I usually log in and head straight to a saloon/poker table so I don't have to interact with, less just call them, undesirables. Today, I found a dead turtle that someone had left outside the saloon saving me a trip to look for one. But the other day, someone hacked me to death as I stood at the bar as I took a second to check the player menu to see who was in game. And that latter experience is the usual one I have found in this game.

 

I'm on PSN and thank God for those who are smart enough to manipulate gameplay so players that want to play peacefully can do so.

[kcole4001]

5 hours ago, StyxTx said:

Parlay doesn't work against posses. It may stop the one that killed you but not the rest.

 

4 hours ago, AmyStone said:

 

It does sometimes. I've never been able to work out the rules of how it works. Sometimes when someone parleys it counts for the whole posse and sometimes just for one person. Maybe they have to parley with the leader.

From what I've seen in live streams it looks like first the defending player gets the parlay option, and if they accept then the posse leader gets the option to place the whole posse into parlay with the offenders.

I only get to see it from the posse leader's (streamer's) perspective, so may be wrong about some details.

[eighthdoctor]

On 2/16/2021 at 12:50 PM, Veleno said:

when sh*t stains attack you BECAUSE you're in defensive, you know its a broken joke.

Yep and being in Defensive Mode doesn't really do anything anyway. A lot of griefers seem to take it as a challenge and go after those in Defensive. Yeah they need to work for it to be able shoot you without auto aim, but given that they can still tag/paint your horse as long as they have the PIB ability card equipped and we are on our horse 99% of the time, they can still get you that way with a dynamite arrow or explosive round. It's sh*tty. Weirdly, I think I have had more griefers go after me when I was in Defensive than in Offensive Mode over the last lot of months.

[Veleno]

59 minutes ago, eighthdoctor said:

Yep and being in Defensive Mode doesn't really do anything anyway. A lot of griefers seem to take it as a challenge and go after those in Defensive. Yeah they need to work for it to be able shoot you without auto aim, but given that they can still tag/paint your horse as long as they have the PIB ability card equipped and we are on our horse 99% of the time, they can still get you that way with a dynamite arrow or explosive round. It's sh*tty. Weirdly, I think I have had more griefers go after me when I was in Defensive than in Offensive Mode over the last lot of months.

 

same here. & they're god mode ability card/tonics turd-hards most of the time.

 

Defensive mode needs to be GTA's passive mode. only difference is:

allow us to PvE and no ghost effect or whatever its called on our characters/horses.

 

any pvp cringe and their throwables will just go through you as you laugh and its all completely blocked.

[Lonely-Martin]

8 hours ago, eighthdoctor said:

Yep and being in Defensive Mode doesn't really do anything anyway. A lot of griefers seem to take it as a challenge and go after those in Defensive. 

 

Like a moth to a flame.

 

6 hours ago, Veleno said:

 

same here. & they're god mode ability card/tonics turd-hards most of the time.

 

Defensive mode needs to be GTA's passive mode. only difference is:

allow us to PvE and no ghost effect or whatever its called on our characters/horses.

 

any pvp cringe and their throwables will just go through you as you laugh and its all completely blocked.

 

Agreed, 100%.

[L0UDM0UTH]

9 hours ago, Veleno said:

 

same here. & they're god mode ability card/tonics turd-hards most of the time.

 

Defensive mode needs to be GTA's passive mode. only difference is:

allow us to PvE and no ghost effect or whatever its called on our characters/horses.

 

any pvp cringe and their throwables will just go through you as you laugh and its all completely blocked.

So a wild west gunslinging online multiplayer game, you want to turn into a coop pve game? You literally want to avoid all players without penalty or reduced xp and just play basically by yourself. So create all this content so you can play a multiplayer game by yourself. Get outta here. Its called Red Dead Online and you create your own character and have to survive amongst other outlaws like really whats si hard about the concept. Griefing is one thing but you just want a free ride STOP IT LMAO. Its a good thing you are not making those decisions.

[StyxTx]

12 hours ago, L0UDM0UTH said:

So a wild west gunslinging online multiplayer game, you want to turn into a coop pve game? You literally want to avoid all players without penalty or reduced xp and just play basically by yourself. So create all this content so you can play a multiplayer game by yourself. Get outta here. Its called Red Dead Online and you create your own character and have to survive amongst other outlaws like really whats si hard about the concept. Griefing is one thing but you just want a free ride STOP IT LMAO. Its a good thing you are not making those decisions.

If you read further in the forums, the consensus is that players should be given the option of what type of lobby they want. PvPers can have their lobby. PvE players can have their own. Free aim, their own. Auto aim, their own, etc.

 

Yes, I prefer to play alone or with friends. You prefer not to. That is our choice. You have no business knocking others for how they like to play just like we don't have that business knocking yours. So, using your words, get outta here.

 

It's apparent that your understanding of the "wild west" is the Hollywood version. The fact is even the worst outlaws didn't go around killing people without a legitimate reason, and they didn't kill people every day. Most didn't kill more than 10 or 15 people in their entire life and most of those were during bank or train robberies or against the lawmen.  It wasn't a 24/7 shoot everything in sight type of world.

 

They didn't just wander around openly either since the law was always after them. Hollywood makes it look like they had no fears but that is far from the truth. It was not the glamorous, everyone is scared of us life that Hollywood and R* make it look like. They sure didn't shoot up a town, go pay a bounty, then return to the town 5 minutes later and everyone was fine with them. That whole thing is laughable in this game.

Edited February 19, 2021 by StyxTx

[L0UDM0UTH]

9 minutes ago, StyxTx said:

If you read further in the forums, the consensus is that players should be given the option of what type of lobby they want. PvPers can have their lobby. PvE players can have their own. Free aim, their own. Auto aim, their own, etc.

 

Yes, I prefer to play alone or with friends. You prefer not to. That is our choice. You have no business knocking others for how they like to play just like we don't have that business knocking yours. So, using your words, get outta here.

 

It's apparent that your understanding of the "wild west" is the Hollywood version. The fact is even the worst outlaws didn't go around killing people without a legitimate reason, and they didn't kill people every day. Most didn't kill more than 10 or 15 people in their entire life.  It wasn't a 24/7 shoot everything in sight type of world.

 

They didn't just wander around openly either since the law was always after them. Hollywood makes it look like they had no fears but that is far from the truth. It was not the glamorous, everyone is scared of us life that Hollywood and R* make it look like. They sure didn't shoot up a town, go pay a bounty, then return to the town 5 minutes later and everyone was fine with them. That whole thing is laughable in this game.

 The consensus is fine but ultimately that will never happen. And I like how you brush past 10 to 15 like that aint a lot of bodies lol. Trust bro Im fully aware about Hollywood narratives vs actual history. But this is more of a Hollywood inspired game wouldnt you say? And not to knock you bro, I’m just sayjng why not play single player or get a  consistent crew? Its supposed to be rough out there not easy