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Is Vic Vance the worst fit for a GTA character ever?


Tomminsky Sickletty

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Tomminsky Sickletty

Been playing VCS again after a long time (plus an eternity to make it work at 60fps without stutters...), and experiencing the story again really brought to light how unfit Vic is as an GTA protagonist.

 

For starters there's the retcon... He's a totally different character from VC to VCS, he first appeared as a crooked, coked-up drug dealer with a tick south-American accent all too enthusiastic about making a drug deal, and you want me to believe that at some point he was an upstanding, tight-fit army guy with a sense of morality and anti-drug stance?

Vic's character in VC was never intended to be a protagonist and they retconed him in a way that stretches anything plausible to me. I mean, what the hell happened in those 2 years between games? Did the upstanding Vic decide to one day do coke, losing all his morality and personality while Lance just watched? I know know coke will f*ck you up, but didn't know it could f*ck you up so bad you get a new south-American accent.

 

But forget about the retcon (I sure can't but whatever), Vic's unlike most GTA protagonists lacks any ambition to push them forward into the criminal world, remember Tommy's best lines in VC? "I run this town now. ME!" and "Vercetti. Remember the name!".

Meanwhile Vic has a sick brother as an excuse to get money, and a cycle of bad (stupid) decisions:

 

"Hey Vic wanna crime for money?

Vic: Nah man is illegal!

Cmon Vic just this one time!

Vic: Ok I guess..."

 

And repeat and repeat, besides killing Marty he does nothing on is own volition, and yet the game wants us to play a a crime boss as this guy?

Hell the reason he became a crime boss was because Louise suddenly gave the idea and Vic was like "ok I guess...".

 

One funny moment for me was when the Mendez brothers ordered Vic to take over a drug business and Vic started to complain because "he's not into that business", while I already had a bunch of drug business running around the city...

Oh and while I'm at it, what happened to Vic crime business? Why are they gone in VC?

 

Well those are my two cents on the character, I think a GTA protagonist is better with a bit of ambition, make it easier for me to get into the role, "I guess".

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Did the upstanding Vic decide to one day do coke, losing all his morality and personality while Lance just watched?

 

Victor Vance after the story ended: Oh, I'm not a main character anymore. I don't have to pretend. Let's make some real cash! Drugs are the future!

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IanNightmare

I always thought Vic was a little off in the series, as the rest of VCS make it all seem like an alternate universe... Seeing all those buildings in Vice Beach being bilt at once and empty sites make it seem like the whole city was just finishing being made.

 

Back to what really matters, Vic's character is just generic imo. He doesn't seem to have nothing special in his personality to make him remarkable. I think about two possibilities:

 

1 - Rockstar ran out of choices of a good character to explore. Even with better options like Phil Cassidy. or:

2 - They wanted to explore Lance's past and the only way to tell that story would be taking Victor as the main charcater to not take a villain (Lance) and transform him in some kind of hero.

 

His "transformation" is in the same kind of LCS Toni into that version we see in GTA 3. C'mon, one can't just age that much in only three years. For me, Rockstar just had the same problem with Vic, taking a character that obviously woudn't fit for that tough guy archetype, both fat and aged, so they had no choice but to make that absurd change in their past selves. Just see Lance and Salvatore, they practically didn't change anything in the period between their respective games.

 

My two cents are on the table.

 

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BrainDeadRaven

Honestly, I liked Vic, of all of them, if he were a real person, most likely I'd want to have a drink with.

 

With that said, hell no he didn't fit LMAO, he was way to upstanding. Its not that our other characters were all bad, CJ and Tommy both show a desire to take care of their own, but neither were saints by any means. One gang banged, and the other would beat you with a bat until your eyes popped out of your head for $50. But with Vic, at most I'd see him making a lick then going legit.

 

 

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StraightouttaNewport

Yeah I never really bought into the idea that he was a good protagonist. Honestly I wish Lance was the main character instead, he actually wants to get involved in the drug trade and get rich just like the player does, he's way more entertaining (Philip Michael Thomas is clearly having a lot of fun voicing the guy.) he even makes more sense from a gameplay perspective, VCS had a ton of missions both main ones and side content involving helicopters and Lance was clearly established as the pilot back in VC. Yet for some reason there's cases where Vic's flying with no explanation and Lance is riding shotgun. 

 

Playing Vic felt like being stuck playing as Sweet during San Andreas, stuck constantly whining about his little brother and drugs and doing f*ck all to solve the problem himself. 

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Tomminsky Sickletty
11 hours ago, IanNightmare said:

Back to what really matters, Vic's character is just generic imo. He doesn't seem to have nothing special in his personality to make him remarkable. I think about two possibilities:

 

1 - Rockstar ran out of choices of a good character to explore. Even with better options like Phil Cassidy. or:

2 - They wanted to explore Lance's past and the only way to tell that story would be taking Victor as the main charcater to not take a villain (Lance) and transform him in some kind of hero.

 

His "transformation" is in the same kind of LCS Tony into that version we see in GTA 3. C'mon, one can't just age that much in only three years. For me, Rockstar just had the same problem with Vic, taking a character that obviously woudn't fit for that tough guy achetype, both fat and aged, so they had no choice but to make that absurd change in their past selves. Just see Lance and Salvatore, they practically didn't change anything in the period between their respective games.

 

 

Yeah I also believe they really wanted to fit Lance into the main story (can't blame them for that, love the character) and I guess the easiest way to do that was to have the mc as a family member. I mean that could have worked but at least keep the accent and don't make him a frigging boy scout!

Phil Cassidy as an mc sounds fun actually, never though of that myself. In VC he's kinda a carefree maniac, definitely a better fit than Vic!

 

Can't comment much on Tony yet, played LCS long ago and now I'm waiting for Ryadica926 to finish his LCS PC project, those 3 years totally packed a punch on Tony for sure though...

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3 hours ago, StraightouttaNewport said:

Yeah I never really bought into the idea that he was a good protagonist. Honestly I wish Lance was the main character instead, he actually wants to get involved in the drug trade and get rich just like the player does, he's way more entertaining (Philip Michael Thomas is clearly having a lot of fun voicing the guy.) he even makes more sense from a gameplay perspective, VCS had a ton of missions both main ones and side content involving helicopters and Lance was clearly established as the pilot back in VC. Yet for some reason there's cases where Vic's flying with no explanation and Lance is riding shotgun.

 

I though about having Lance as an mc and was a little unsure if it would work as well as a sidekick, but thinking about it now it makes sense.

He was totally invested in the crime world (literally, he and his bro apparently had a farm down in central America according to the wiki), and it would be cool to explore the facade he has of smooth criminal hiding insecurity, and most of all he's fun!

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Tubbs is the ultimate side kick in Miami Vice. The best moments Lance has, are when he's reacting to someone else. It's almost a trope how protagonists stand around and get talked to during cutscenes, which wouldn't work for a character like Lance. Vic lacks the cold blooded streak, he doesn't feel very dangerous. Military trained, in shape, knows specific combat moves, you'd think that would translate to a more fearsome person. It doesn't. 

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On 3/5/2021 at 3:37 AM, StraightouttaNewport said:

Playing Vic felt like being stuck playing as Sweet during San Andreas, stuck constantly whining about his little brother and drugs and doing f*ck all to solve the problem himself. 

I wouldn't compare the two. Sweet is clearly a proud criminal who shows desire in taking over the criminal business, while Vic is trying to stay out of it. If anything, Sweet would be a much better character to play as since he enjoys the gangbanging life.

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