BeatsDown Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 When the OG heists first came out the Elite Challenges really were for the best players. They needed careful planning, skill, teamwork and a high level of knowledge of the game. But since Doomsday Act II came out, and further saturated by the Casino heists and now Cayo Perico, the Elite Challenges have become so easy that literally everyone is able to do them now. The fact you can get the EC in the CP heists and still have about 9 mins to spare is simply ridiculous. I'd like R* to return to the days when Elite Challenges were for the...you know... ELITE players. Agree or not? GRXSSMXN, Gat_2011, Gaffa and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonely-Martin Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 I do agree. I feel the casino and this latest are a tad too easy to be called elite. The original heists and I believe DDH were much more tricky, more so because of the teamwork element and other objectives other than the time given mind you. The only way I got those older elites was jib knowledge and being able to work with and communicate with others. I'm not against this heist having a much wider appeal by being solo friendly of course, and with that, more potentially players capable of hitting the challenge. But with these last 2 heists DLC (big con and S&S mainly), it's more an almost guaranteed bonus each run. Only if you deliberately choose not to get this island elite could to miss it, and even then, it's very obtainable. TCM_Doot, kenmy13999 and Jimbatron 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mdc Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 30 minutes ago, BeatsDown said: When the OG heists first came out the Elite Challenges really were for the best players. They needed careful planning, skill, teamwork and a high level of knowledge of the game. But since Doomsday Act II came out, and further saturated by the Casino heists and now Cayo Perico, the Elite Challenges have become so easy that literally everyone is able to do them now. The fact you can get the EC in the CP heists and still have about 9 mins to spare is simply ridiculous. I'd like R* to return to the days when Elite Challenges were for the...you know... ELITE players. Agree or not? Agree the CP elite is ridiculously easy. DDH the only real easy one is act2. Act3 definitely isn't easy and act 1 you have to be fast. Don't see many people with the achievement for all 3 elite challenges in DDH anyway. DCH big con is easy. Aggressive can be tricky because of counting headshots and needing to get out fast but safe with the cops up the backside. The easiest way to do elites on DCH for the award I found was to just take little loot and use low level buyer accepting you weren't doing it for the money. Rotorhead359 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SummerFreeze Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) In the Cayo Perico and Casino heists it's just extra money though, not linked to any achievement. So yeah... I don't care if elite is no longer elite. We can make our own challenges. Edited January 13, 2021 by SummerFreeze DuduLima, Jenkiiii, Halal Cyborg and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonely-Martin Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 25 minutes ago, SummerFreeze said: In the Cayo Perico and Casino heists it's just extra money though, not linked to any achievement. So yeah... I don't care if elite is no longer elite. We can make our own challenges. Yeah, that's a fair point too. Quite enjoy the freedom we have here for that and hope it only grows in future in general. kenmy13999 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamwes Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 I'd argue that being on sites like this and finding the tricks that let you easily get the elite bonus makes you an elite player, not that the challenge is too easy. With the casino you need to know about the helicopter. Without it, you need a close buyer which means less pay which negates the point of the elite bonus. And 80 headshots with the aggressive approach is challenging. With Cayo you need to know about the drainage tunnel entrance and/or that you can simply leave the island by swimming away. You also have to be good enough with stealth to not screw it all up. These are things that a typical player might never discover on their own. Tez2, Buddy Hightower, Pedinhuh and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rashkovskys Shiv Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 The only real elite challenges in gta online heists are the OG heists by far. .I have all elites for all heists including Doomsday save for the Fleeca job. Elite now are mostly for cash reward not any challenge in particular. The OG heists require intense communication and teamwork that isnt needed in the Casino and cayo perico heists Lonely-Martin and Rotorhead359 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutduster Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 hour ago, SummerFreeze said: In the Cayo Perico and Casino heists it's just extra money though, not linked to any achievement. So yeah... I don't care if elite is no longer elite. We can make our own challenges. That's kind of how I feel too. I've had fun with the casino elites, doing them over and over, partly because we did them first for each approach, then with different targets (elites with gold are tricky), different exit points, etc. Just challenging ourselves and finding out what we're capable of. CP elite is arguably too easy, and certain shortcuts make it just a laugher, but I figure eventually we'll do the same thing--different entrances and exits, that sort of thing. Just to test the limits. The original and Doomsday heists were more on rails, so it makes sense for their elite challenges to be more, well, challenging. Nothing will ever beat the feeling I got from getting that elite T-shirt unlock for the OG heists. Man, I worked hard for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SummerFreeze Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 So I just tried Velum entry, aggressive, solo, elite, Velum escape, and managed to do it in 11:59. But I did it with all Disruption preps and poisoned water, so it's still possible to increase the degree of difficulty. Rotorhead359 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoLedah Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Rashkovskys Shiv said: The only real elite challenges in gta online heists are the OG heists by far. .I have all elites for all heists including Doomsday save for the Fleeca job. Elite now are mostly for cash reward not any challenge in particular. The OG heists require intense communication and teamwork that isnt needed in the Casino and cayo perico heists I totes agree. As for the doomsday heist, more than communication you have to get LUCKY. For the enemies not to 1 hit you. It's that ridiculous. Lonely-Martin, Rotorhead359 and Gat_2011 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hightower Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 3 hours ago, BeatsDown said: When the OG heists first came out the Elite Challenges really were for the best players. They needed careful planning, skill, teamwork and a high level of knowledge of the game. But since Doomsday Act II came out, and further saturated by the Casino heists and now Cayo Perico, the Elite Challenges have become so easy that literally everyone is able to do them now. The fact you can get the EC in the CP heists and still have about 9 mins to spare is simply ridiculous. I'd like R* to return to the days when Elite Challenges were for the...you know... ELITE players. Agree or not? Not when it's only what, 100k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeatsDown Posted January 13, 2021 Author Share Posted January 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, Buddy Hightower said: Not when it's only what, 100k. The money is irrelevant when talking about whether the EC should be harder so only elite players can get it -_- NULL AND VOID and Lonely-Martin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbatron Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Agree. I’ve done all the Elite Challenges with the same friends on the PC, and was just reviewing the videos of our runs back in 2015 of the originals, and by god we look slick, just to beat the time by a few seconds. We practiced loads on the bikes for Humane Labs and Pac Std, I even created custom race tracks for it. DD the times were generous but some people still struggle to do Act 3 without dying. Casino got a little to easy, but CP is a cinch, especially solo. The only way you can get caught out really is if you have poor rng with secondary loot and don’t plan accordingly to hit the fill your bags. But even with the worst possible rng, we beat it first time without even really knowing how the heist worked. That said the Elite is still fun. The par time is easy but you can always go for your own PB. Lonely-Martin and Rotorhead359 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hightower Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 14 minutes ago, BeatsDown said: The money is irrelevant when talking about whether the EC should be harder so only elite players can get it -_- I disagree, if it is only 100k it shouldn't be that hard. Raise the bonus to 500k and I can agree. If fact, they need to do a balance pass on all the payouts. DDH Act 3 should be the highest paying heist in game because it's the hardest and most time consuming. The casino heist should also pay more than the island, it requires much more team work and has longer preps. PhilPerlmutter and partci 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeatsDown Posted January 13, 2021 Author Share Posted January 13, 2021 51 minutes ago, Buddy Hightower said: I disagree, if it is only 100k it shouldn't be that hard. Raise the bonus to 500k and I can agree. If fact, they need to do a balance pass on all the payouts. DDH Act 3 should be the highest paying heist in game because it's the hardest and most time consuming. The casino heist should also pay more than the island, it requires much more team work and has longer preps. Still missing the point of what the ELITE should be about. elite /eɪˈliːt,ɪˈliːt/ Learn to pronounce noun 1. a select group that is superior in terms of ability or qualities to the rest of a group or society. Halal Cyborg and EkaSwede 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hightower Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, BeatsDown said: Still missing the point of what the ELITE should be about. elite /eɪˈliːt,ɪˈliːt/ Learn to pronounce noun 1. a select group that is superior in terms of ability or qualities to the rest of a group or society. Oh, so it's an ego thing... gotcha SummerFreeze, Pedinhuh, LeeC22 and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonely-Martin Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Just now, Buddy Hightower said: Oh, so it's an ego thing... gotcha I'd go with 'a competitive thing' more so. It is gaming after all. kenmy13999 and Buddy Hightower 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperbagdude Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Who tf cares about elite challenges anyway? As if there really is any acknowledged prestige in completing those challenges. Jenkiiii, Rotorhead359 and Pedinhuh 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilPerlmutter Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Buddy Hightower said: The casino heist should also pay more than the island, it requires much more team work and has longer preps. I agree, especially with the doomsday act 3. About the Casino heist, well it probably should pay more, but teamwork is not really needed because in terms of clearing the paths, it could be done alone and actually is most of the time. The only part you could not do alone is really the 2 key card door, and further the fact that you could not collect everything in the vault alone. But I would not call following, simultanously putting a keycard into the keycard reader and checking in the vault which doors are hacked already exactly teamwork. About the elite challenges, I have disliked them forever anyways. Also, in the Casino heist, I think the agressive elite challenge is not easy (probably because I found it hard to place headshots in the casino, in the interior, the game does not run really smooth for me ^^) Edited January 13, 2021 by PhilPerlmutter Rotorhead359 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black-Dragon96 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 I disagree. The older elite challenges were not that "elite" imo. For the OG Heists you had the requirement to do them in order with the same people and not die once. The challenge was basicly to find 3 other people who were not complete morons and to not die to R*s ridiculous AI. Same for doomsday. For the casino heist agressive you actually have to take longer than needed to get the 80 headshots. They are not really hard, they just take a lot of time, luck and up to 3 friends. The Cayo Perico challenge actually requires you to get better at the heist, do it quicker. Granted there is a bit of luck involved with the lootspawns but overall it takes quite a bit of understanding how the heist works. And you have to remember that most players do not have the knowledge we have through this forum. partci 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeatsDown Posted January 13, 2021 Author Share Posted January 13, 2021 24 minutes ago, paperbagdude said: Who tf cares about elite challenges anyway? As if there really is any acknowledged prestige in completing those challenges. You mean apart from the exclusive t-shirt that you could only unlock when you completed the Elite Challenges to show you're a real badass? partci and EkaSwede 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeatsDown Posted January 13, 2021 Author Share Posted January 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Black-Dragon96 said: I disagree. The older elite challenges were not that "elite" imo. For the OG Heists you had the requirement to do them in order with the same people and not die once. The challenge was basicly to find 3 other people who were not complete morons and to not die to R*s ridiculous AI. Same for doomsday. For the casino heist agressive you actually have to take longer than needed to get the 80 headshots. They are not really hard, they just take a lot of time, luck and up to 3 friends. The Cayo Perico challenge actually requires you to get better at the heist, do it quicker. Granted there is a bit of luck involved with the lootspawns but overall it takes quite a bit of understanding how the heist works. And you have to remember that most players do not have the knowledge we have through this forum. That's not the Elite Challenges, that's the Criminal Mastermind Challenge. Non Funkable Token and Rotorhead359 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeatsDown Posted January 13, 2021 Author Share Posted January 13, 2021 47 minutes ago, Buddy Hightower said: Oh, so it's an ego thing... gotcha You sound like someone who hasn't been able to do them. Rashkovskys Shiv, Halal Cyborg, EkaSwede and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black-Dragon96 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, BeatsDown said: That's not the Elite Challenges, that's the Criminal Mastermind Challenge. Yeah, sh*t. I really should get some sleep. Rotorhead359 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedinhuh Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 The Elite Challenges of DCH and CPH aren't made to reward skilled players, and they aren't linked to any achievements because of that. They are all about making MORE money using the best strats for each heist, you don't need skill to do those once you have figured them out, just need to know how to do them. Also: 1 hour ago, Black-Dragon96 said: For the casino heist agressive you actually have to take longer than needed to get the 80 headshots. Not really hard, just use a weapon with long lock-on range and accuracy, like the Carbine provided by Charlie, make sure you got the Duggans Shipments done so the guards won't have the helmets on, and just go for the headshots(avoid shooting their bodies as they will crumple over and mess with your aim). Also make sure the players helping also are going for headshots...3 guys can do it while being on the move, without camping to farm more headshots. If you think that's hard, try the headshots in DDH...150 of those. Rotorhead359 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halal Cyborg Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 I do the elite every time it is a bit silly but i like money and dont measure my skill in pve against the playerbase. Youre right about the OG heists though only elite i have is Fleeca...id need to find 3 other people for the others that arent idiots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black-Dragon96 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Pedinhuh said: Not really hard, just use a weapon with long lock-on range and accuracy, like the Carbine provided by Charlie, make sure you got the Duggans Shipments done so the guards won't have the helmets on, and just go for the headshots(avoid shooting their bodies as they will crumple over and mess with your aim). Also make sure the players helping also are going for headshots...3 guys can do it while being on the move, without camping to farm more headshots. If you think that's hard, try the headshots in DDH...150 of those. Well lockon range is irelevant in freeaim. The thing is if you need to use autoaim to do it, in other words "let the game do it for you", it does not deserve the name elite challenge imo. And as I said they are not hard, they just take long / longer than needed and sometimes require 3 other players that arent idiots. Edited January 14, 2021 by Black-Dragon96 Rotorhead359 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeatsDown Posted January 14, 2021 Author Share Posted January 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Black-Dragon96 said: Well lockon range is irelevant in freeaim. The thing is if you need to use autoaim to do it, in other words "let the game do it for you", it does not deserve the name elite challenge imo. And as I said they are not hard, they just take long / longer than needed and sometimes require 3 other players that arent idiots. Are you on PC though? Free aim on console with controller is much harder. With auto-aim you still need to adjust as the auto aims at the chest, not the head. Buddy Hightower 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NULL AND VOID Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 It's elite when compared to half the sh*t people are doing in this heist... A very....very small number of players are completing this heist on the fire go. And then elite on top of it? Na... They fail..quit the heist. Fail. Fail. Elite challenge on 4th run. Some people take 15 tries... To them you are elite. Rotorhead359 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilPerlmutter Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 5 hours ago, BeatsDown said: Are you on PC though? Free aim on console with controller is much harder. With auto-aim you still need to adjust as the auto aims at the chest, not the head. I am on PC, and I dont think it is easy to do this amount of kills, but then again the casino heist interior is kind of laggy for me, worst in the room before the mantrap. But then it is probably doable with 3 or 4 people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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