Currently in my second play through well tried this game is so slow paced and boring

[Guest]

I can see why less than 70% of people didn’t finish this game it’s not a masterpiece. It doesn’t have fun gameplay, just a good story and story novelty only last so long. These controls are bad, the open world is big for no reason other than being eye candy, and missions are the same one gallery shooter to another

[Dan390]

cool

[KGBeast]

Wah baby, go play GTA V again. 

[Lemoyne outlaw]

i replay the story all the time. its awesome. one of the best rockstar games ever. if you dont like it thats your opinion. but there are plenty of us that love it.

Edited January 2, 2021 by Lemoyne outlaw

[dieseltech20]

Thanks for sharing.

 

[Badman_]

This sounds like some of the early reviews from 2018. People were expecting GTA V with horses but RDR doesn't work in the same way.

You need be patient and take it slow with this game... if you can't do it then it's better to go play something else.

[FanEu7]

Most people don't finish the game because most gamers are shallow and don't get invested in the story and characters. Most people also didn't finish GTA IV's story or RDR1's or TW3's etc. it really doesn't mean anything.

 

The game is a masterpiece, you just need to immerse yourself. But maybe you should just go back and play cartoony games like Ubisoft's crap

[DarkDayz]

On 1/1/2021 at 8:34 PM, SwishiestRock29 said:

I can see why less than 70% of people didn’t finish this game it’s not a masterpiece. It doesn’t have fun gameplay, just a good story and story novelty only last so long. These controls are bad, the open world is big for no reason other than being eye candy, and missions are the same one gallery shooter to another

 

1. 30% of people who completed the story is still 8 million players. That's a lot of people and is a big oversight on your part. Not many games at market even sell that much.
2. Top tier storytelling doesn't age, it is not a novelty.
3. The gameplay is fine, it's grey in area's but in general the game is undeniably a technical masterpiece.
4. Didn't ever have an issue with the controls.
5. The world is meticulously crafted. It's not too big and it's not too small, it is perfect for the activities and mission that they offer up to the gamer.

[rml_gta]

I am bumping my head on the wall right now, what the f*ck is this? I am doing my second playthrough too on Stadia after playing it on PC (90% completed there, I have a couple of collectibles left and complete all the challenges and boom it´s done for the 100% completion) and I´m loving it like the first time (and noticing some things and dialogues I didn´t noticed in my first playthrough, that happens when you try to play the game properly and not "play" the game to just jump to the online mode), please ffs, stop saying that the game is "boring" and "slow", it is just a well written story and not a sh*tty fast story as I felt with GTA V, good story but so fast compared with GTA IV and RDR2, that´s why I´m scared with GTA VI, that R* finally chose the sh*tty path of fast stories and wow there you go, ONLINE MODE NOW, because that´s the path most kids and casual gamers like, and sadly all companies are going into the same path, and I see R* doing the same in a future sadly, thanks for this casual gamers and kids they are not going to do more slow well written and mature stories as with GTA IV and RDR2...ugh what a shame

[FanEu7]

2 hours ago, rml_gta said:

I am bumping my head on the wall right now, what the f*ck is this? I am doing my second playthrough too on Stadia after playing it on PC (90% completed there, I have a couple of collectibles left and complete all the challenges and boom it´s done for the 100% completion) and I´m loving it like the first time (and noticing some things and dialogues I didn´t noticed in my first playthrough, that happens when you try to play the game properly and not "play" the game to just jump to the online mode), please ffs, stop saying that the game is "boring" and "slow", it is just a well written story and not a sh*tty fast story as I felt with GTA V, good story but so fast compared with GTA IV and RDR2, that´s why I´m scared with GTA VI, that R* finally chose the sh*tty path of fast stories and wow there you go, ONLINE MODE NOW, because that´s the path most kids and casual gamers like, and sadly all companies are going into the same path, and I see R* doing the same in a future sadly, thanks for this casual gamers and kids they are not going to do more slow well written and mature stories as with GTA IV and RDR2...ugh what a shame

Sadly most gamers are shallow and prefer dumb cartoony stuff over real immersive games with incredible stories like RDR2

[Guest]

On 1/2/2021 at 12:55 AM, The Wolf Man said:

This sounds like some of the early reviews from 2018. People were expecting GTA V with horses but RDR doesn't work in the same way.

You need be patient and take it slow with this game... if you can't do it then it's better to go play something else.

Did you not read the part where I said second play through. You know that hinders I already finished the game once. And btw i played rdr1 back in 2010 I knew what I was coming to. Didn’t say the game was as but it has flaws that shouldn’t exist 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, FanEu7 said:

Sadly most gamers are shallow and prefer dumb cartoony stuff over real immersive games with incredible stories like RDR2

A story does not make a game good. It’s a combination of good gameplay, fun missions, and a enjoyable story, you can like rdr2, but don’t call people shallow if they don’t like it. 75% of mission in rdr2 are gallery shoot after another that’s not what I look for in a game

[FanEu7]

1 minute ago, SwishiestRock29 said:

A story does not make a game good. It’s a combination of good gameplay, fun missions, and a enjoyable story, you can like rdr2, but don’t call people shallow if they don’t like it. 75% of mission in rdr2 are gallery shoot after another that’s not what I look for in a game

 

So what type of games do you play? Literally every third person shooter is "gallery shootout after another", the original RDR was not different at all

[Guest]

5 hours ago, rml_gta said:

I am bumping my head on the wall right now, what the f*ck is this? I am doing my second playthrough too on Stadia after playing it on PC (90% completed there, I have a couple of collectibles left and complete all the challenges and boom it´s done for the 100% completion) and I´m loving it like the first time (and noticing some things and dialogues I didn´t noticed in my first playthrough, that happens when you try to play the game properly and not "play" the game to just jump to the online mode), please ffs, stop saying that the game is "boring" and "slow", it is just a well written story and not a sh*tty fast story as I felt with GTA V, good story but so fast compared with GTA IV and RDR2, that´s why I´m scared with GTA VI, that R* finally chose the sh*tty path of fast stories and wow there you go, ONLINE MODE NOW, because that´s the path most kids and casual gamers like, and sadly all companies are going into the same path, and I see R* doing the same in a future sadly, thanks for this casual gamers and kids they are not going to do more slow well written and mature stories as with GTA IV and RDR2...ugh what a shame

You are not rockstar target demographic. And yes gta 5 is a better game than rdr2 even though story was shallow. You idiots need to shut up, you guys say this every time after another rockstar game, that they lost their touch. Remember when Leslie benzies left you morons were throwing a fit calling rdr2 trash and rockstar lost it. Look at you now on your knees sucking off rockstar. There nothing wrong with a shorter story length. If 70% of people couldn’t finish the story you took 8 years to work on, you failed as a developer, and rockstar knows it which is why they are milking gta 5 and ignoring rdr2

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, FanEu7 said:

 

So what type of games do you play? Literally every third person shooter is "gallery shootout after another", the original RDR was not different at all

Yeah you right every game is a gallery shoot if it’s a action game but that doesn’t mean throw creative mission design out the window. And my favorite games are gta sa, saints row 2, mgs tpp, black ops 2, mw2. Wanna know what these games have in common they tell an enjoyable story with good fun gameplay. Red dead 2 is more an interactive movie than a game. There little to no freedom how you do mission, even if you sim out your gun the game mission fails you, abd idk why I’m arguing with you. 70% of people couldn’t finish this game on ps4 because it’s so boring, there only so much eye candy you can put on someone screen before they realize your game is boring. Rdr2 is not a bad game just flawed, it is far from a masterpiece. The gunplay is so terrible that they had to fix it in rdo in a patch, the game is overly dragged out

[Algonquin Assassin]

I get people have opinions, but surely there’s a better way of doing it than calling others idiots and morons for disagreeing with you. Pull your head in.

 

Also I think open world games (especially the size of RDR2 )aren’t the best to judge their completion rate by because the fact is most people don’t play them through to them through to the end. That doesn’t make the game terrible.

 

Assuming that 70% of the players didn’t finish it because they thought it was boring is laughably short sighted. How would you know that?

 

I personally know people that have been playing it since 2018 and haven’t finished the story because they like exploring and whatnot and doing every single thing the game has to offer. Some people people like to take breaks most likely to play other games and come back later on (crazy thought I know).

Games like this are designed to be played for months, years even so the low completion rate really isn’t that surprising. Still the 30% that did finish is still millions of players in its own right. Not bad at all.

 

 

Edited January 10, 2021 by Algonquin Assassin

[Ryo256]

9 minutes ago, Algonquin Assassin said:

I get people have opinions, but surely there’s a better way of doing it than calling others idiots and morons for disagreeing with you. Pull your head in.

To be fair, there are posts here that aren't exactly civilized to OP who initially was just stating their opinion. So aggression begets aggression it seems.

[Algonquin Assassin]

36 minutes ago, Ryo256 said:

To be fair, there are posts here that aren't exactly civilized to OP who initially was just stating their opinion. So aggression begets aggression it seems.

Two wrongs don’t make a right. I don’t see anything particularly aggressive from anyone (and I’m speaking as someone with a lot of moderating experience) that warrants him to call anyone an idiot, moron or “sucking off Rockstar”.

 

Opinions work both ways. Opening up a thread in a sub forum criticising the very game it’s based on is surely going to ruffle some feathers so you better be able to handle the heat that’s going to come with it. Slinging insults in retaliation is a sign of weakness if you ask me.

Edited January 10, 2021 by Algonquin Assassin

[Ryo256]

22 minutes ago, Algonquin Assassin said:

Two wrongs don’t make a right. I don’t see anything particularly aggressive from anyone (and I’m speaking as someone with a lot of moderating experience) that warrants him to call anyone an idiot, moron or “sucking off Rockstar”.

 

Opinions work both ways. Opening up a thread in a sub forum criticising the very game it’s based on is surely going to ruffle some feathers so you better be able to handle the heat that’s going to come with it. Slinging insults in retaliation is a sign of weakness if you ask me.

Sure, but I think we should discourage both wrongs rather than telling the last wronged person to stop retaliating.

[FanEu7]

17 hours ago, SwishiestRock29 said:

Yeah you right every game is a gallery shoot if it’s a action game but that doesn’t mean throw creative mission design out the window. And my favorite games are gta sa, saints row 2, mgs tpp, black ops 2, mw2. Wanna know what these games have in common they tell an enjoyable story with good fun gameplay. Red dead 2 is more an interactive movie than a game. There little to no freedom how you do mission, even if you sim out your gun the game mission fails you, abd idk why I’m arguing with you. 70% of people couldn’t finish this game on ps4 because it’s so boring, there only so much eye candy you can put on someone screen before they realize your game is boring. Rdr2 is not a bad game just flawed, it is far from a masterpiece. The gunplay is so terrible that they had to fix it in rdo in a patch, the game is overly dragged out

 

Most of the games you listed don't have a good story at all..I mean MW2 and Black Ops 2? Wtf. Also you complain about RDR2's uncreative mission design but then prefer COD games where its literally just linear shooting levels..there is no freedom at all.

And MGS V barely has a story + every mission was repetitive bullsh*t. Have you played the other MGS games? They are the ones with good stories and they were more linear too.

 

Most people also never finished MGS V or GTA SA, so do these games suck too? Most people never finish long games because they just don't care enough, that has nothing to do with quality. RDR2 was overall well received by the majority of gamers, you are trying to push some sort of narrative that its unpopular which is stupid. Dislike it all you want but don't spread lies!

Edited January 10, 2021 by FanEu7

[Jimbatron]

On 1/2/2021 at 1:31 AM, Lemoyne outlaw said:

i replay the story all the time. its awesome. one of the best rockstar games ever. if you dont like it thats your opinion. but there are plenty of us that love it.

 

Well said. I think some people just have short attention spans, it seems to be a sadly increasing trend these days. Being and old guy I blame it on social media fuelling the psychological need for instant gratification. People lose patience and the ability to appreciate depth in stuff. If it's not a Youtube clip less than 5 minutes, it's too long. It's like adolescents have regressed into toddlers where you have to keep cartoons short or they'll get distracted before it finishes.

Edited January 10, 2021 by Jimbatron

[Cutter De Blanc]

This game isnt boring, youre boring

 

I just ran around Valentine chucking dynamite and fire bottles at ladies and running and hiding from the law for like 15 minutes

 

I had fun

[IllregentHUN]

I get it that you don't think about this game as a masterpiece (which I think this game is, since there are so many unique things in it), but I don't think the world is so big without any reason, as there is so much life in it. The story and the characters are so good (as in almost every R* game). The controls aren't that bad, I only have problem with the horse controls when it starts to spin for some reason.

[Badman_]

21 hours ago, SwishiestRock29 said:

Did you not read the part where I said second play through. You know that hinders I already finished the game once. And btw i played rdr1 back in 2010 I knew what I was coming to. Didn’t say the game was as but it has flaws that shouldn’t exist 

 

Okay so you finished the game without actually enjoying it. It happens. This game is not for everyone and there's no big deal about it. You can always go play something else.

 

Edit: Of course it has flaws, nothing is perfect. But RDR2 is as good as it gets for a game of its style. That's why people who enjoy this kind of game (like me) will call it a masterpiece.

Edited January 10, 2021 by The Wolf Man

[Ducard]

23 hours ago, SwishiestRock29 said:

Yeah you right every game is a gallery shoot if it’s a action game but that doesn’t mean throw creative mission design out the window. And my favorite games are gta sa, saints row 2, mgs tpp, black ops 2, mw2. Wanna know what these games have in common they tell an enjoyable story with good fun gameplay. Red dead 2 is more an interactive movie than a game. 

 

I don't understand how you can criticize RDR2's mission design and then bring out games like Black Ops 2 or MW2 as examples for creative mission design. I mean, that's just factually incorrect. I've not played Saints Row 2 but even San Andreas had plenty of linear moments in gameplay. I do agree, Red Dead 2 might be Rockstar's most linear game in terms of mission design but I (and many other people who enjoyed it) never really saw it as a problem. I never felt the need to deviate in RDR2. I believe Rockstar created the game with the full intention of sucking the player in and making them feel a part of the story. The dialogues, voice acting and story line in general is as good as any movie I've ever seen and I think that's what they were aiming for, a cinematic experience. And they succeeded. 

 

23 hours ago, SwishiestRock29 said:

If 70% of people couldn’t finish the story you took 8 years to work on, you failed as a developer

 

As pointed out earlier, 30% still amounts to around 8 million people and that's more than what most games sell in their lifetime. Moreover, using this as a metric is an absolutely terrible argument. For instance, I've never finished Fallout New Vegas but I consider it to be one of my all time favourite games. Heck, I've never finished  Vice City and I still consider it to be one of the best games I've ever played. People don't finish the story for a variety of reasons. As you said RDR2 is a long game and generally, not many people do finish long games, either due to real life commitments or short attention spans. It doesn't actually mean they did not like the game. Your argument here is baseless.

 

23 hours ago, SwishiestRock29 said:

Rdr2 is not a bad game just flawed, it is far from a masterpiece. 

 

That's your opinion man. But from a technical standpoint, nobody can say that RDR2 is not a masterpiece. Because it is. The sheer volume and detail in the game, not just graphically but even gameplay wise, is incredible. For instance, most NPC's have their own daily routines (if you don't believe me, you can search it up on youtube), you can interact with everyone you see in the world and get so much unique dialogue, there are so many animals to hunt, all with their own specific traits, there is always something or the other happening in the world... I could go on and on.

 

23 hours ago, SwishiestRock29 said:

the game is overly dragged out

 

This right here makes me believe that you never truly understood the point of RDR2's story. If you expected something like GTA 5 or San Andreas, you are wrong. RDR2 focuses heavily on character development, character ambiguity, realism and subtle motivations. For me, just looking at how Dutch went from being this optimistic, tough leader who, despite his atrocities, had a kind heart for the people in need. Dutch at the start was a man of principle. He believed in taking money from rich and helping the poor. He had a moral compass. And then you watch him, slowly degrade, mentally, throughout the story. It's so subtly done and so realistic of what could drive a man to his breaking point. It brings up questions, was Dutch truly a decent man who went mad with grief? Or was he always like this, mad and deranged inside but putting up a face? Or was it Hosea that was the glue keeping the Van Der Linde gang together? Or did Dutch suffer brain damage during the trolley accident in Saint Denis? Why didn't Dutch kill John in the epilogue when he had the chance?

 

Then we have Arthur. At the start of the game he's tough, he doesn't mind killing people. But he's also loyal to Dutch. But then you see him go through the same events as Dutch did and we see how two people react so very differently to the same events unfolding around them. Of course, Arthur's redemption arc was accelerated by the fact he was diagnosed with TB but even before that you can see him start to question Dutch's motives. (The murder of Angelo bronte being one prime example). His redemption arc is beautifully complete when he gets to rest in front of the setting sun on the hillside. And it truly is a wonderful irony that Arthur, who redeemed himself towards the end, died at the top of the cliff, while Dutch, who let himself fall into the depths of evil towards the end, dies falling to the bottom of a cliff in RDR1.

 

As someone who loves reading books, RDR2 is a paradise of wonderfully written, realistic characters that you can write essays on and that would not have been possible if the game was fast paced like GTA. I could really go on and on about why the story is wonderfully written, so wonderfully paced. Arthur Morgan is undoubtedly the best video game protagonist in my opinion and one of my favorite fictional characters of all time. He wasn't a hero by any means but he certainly died a hero's death.

 

I'd be interested in hearing your actual counter arguments rather than just repeating the same points again and again, which is why I believe people are being hostile towards you.

Edited January 10, 2021 by Ducard

[Algonquin Assassin]

6 hours ago, IllregentHUN said:

but I don't think the world is so big without any reason,

 

I'm not even sure what he means by that. This isn't a Just Cause game, Far Cry, Ghost Recon etc where the maps are oversized for the hell of it despite being boring and dull.

 

RDR2 is packed to the brim full of life and wonder. Every town feels like a real little place, the wilderness holds many secrets waiting to be discovered and it's possible to get sidetracked for hours and hours without really a goal in mind. 

 

[IllregentHUN]

19 hours ago, Algonquin Assassin said:

 

I'm not even sure what he means by that. This isn't a Just Cause game, Far Cry, Ghost Recon etc where the maps are oversized for the hell of it despite being boring and dull.

 

RDR2 is packed to the brim full of life and wonder. Every town feels like a real little place, the wilderness holds many secrets waiting to be discovered and it's possible to get sidetracked for hours and hours without really a goal in mind. 

 

Yeah. That's one of the best things about this game in my opinion. You don't even need to play the story to enjoy the game, because of you ride around the map with a half decent PC, or a console then you can enjoy the beautiful scenery and a world that's pretty much alive. 

[Algonquin Assassin]

2 hours ago, IllregentHUN said:

Yeah. That's one of the best things about this game in my opinion. You don't even need to play the story to enjoy the game, because of you ride around the map with a half decent PC, or a console then you can enjoy the beautiful scenery and a world that's pretty much alive. 

 

This is what I was getting at before that probably contributes to the low completion rate.

 

I can perfectly understand why some people may never see it through to the end because it's such a beautifully crafted game you can get lost in aimlessly for hours, days, weeks etc there's really no need to do the story.

[Lonely-Martin]

37% completed Black Ops II's story, and that's been out for significantly longer.

 

https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/1719-call-of-duty-black-ops-ii/12-death-from-above

 

Less than 30% completed GTA V's final mission on PS4 too, also significantly older.

 

https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/3147-grand-theft-auto-v/12-the-big-one

 

And yet 40% completed RDR2's final mission.

 

https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/8370-red-dead-redemption-2/11-endless-summer

 

Sorry OP, you're just wrong. More people completed RDR2 than both the above examples, lol. Oops!

 

(Stats from PSN trophies site).

Edited January 12, 2021 by Lonely-Martin
Wording and autospell fails.

[IllregentHUN]

11 hours ago, Algonquin Assassin said:

 

This is what I was getting at before that probably contributes to the low completion rate.

 

I can perfectly understand why some people may never see it through to the end because it's such a beautifully crafted game you can get lost in aimlessly for hours, days, weeks etc there's really no need to do the story.

I like to do the story too, because the missions are pretty amazing. And I love every character, because they all have some kind of chemistry with eachother and it's funny to hear some of their conversations.