If Rockstar won’t grant players free-aim lobbies:

[StyxTx]

1 hour ago, djb204 said:

Defensive Mode is not free-aim PvP. Players who want free-aim sessions aren’t trying to avoid PvP. We are looking for a free-aim PvP.

 

Take wagon deliveries for example: Auto-Aim players can take out any wagon with simple combination of Auto-Aim, Paint It Black, and an explosive round. No amount of slippery bastard will prevent a Paint It Black explosive round from hitting your wagon horses. 

It doesn't protect your horse either even if you're on it that I know of. It would explain why so many people target my horse when I'm in defensive. I use that friends for life or whatever it's called to reduce damage to the horse because of that.

 

Gives me a chance to park the horse, take cover, and watch the other player sh*t themselves seeing how fast they can  leave the server.

Edited January 2, 2021 by StyxTx

[kcole4001]

7 hours ago, GrungeNinja said:

And No Player Blips on the radar

Maybe like in flight sims, there could be 'full realism' servers. In a sim it's when there's no plane markers or simple/auto instruments and you have to fly, navigate, and spot by your own skill.

So in RDO we could have no blips, no cards or tonics, maybe only split point ammo, and thrown dynamite but the fuse is timed so you can't run around all day with a lit stick in your hand.

Also slow realistic animations for reload, looting, skinning, etc.

 

I expect that would seriously limit the population to the real hardcore players seeking a real challenge, but it's a thought.

Given their 'reason' of not wanting to split up players it would never happen, really seems more like a possibility for RedM if that ever gets sorted out so more people can join up.

 

As for RDO as we know it, I'm still in favour of seeing blips when close by.

Yes, people can use it to artificially know where players are and ambush them, but it also works both ways.

Looking around you can see if someone's lurking about suspiciously nearby.

And for beneficial uses, if someone's at their camp if you have a LA or regular animal you may want to donate or something like that.

It also helps avoid road accidents when you see a blip approaching, as they usually travel a lot faster than NPCs so you can get out of the way ahead of time.

[TCA]

They should just give the options like in RDR 1 Friendly, Normal and hardcore(which they can make that free aim). But don’t be surprised that if they ever did, most of the community would probably be in friendly or normal.

[Megadeus]

Cowboys didnt have computer programs embedded into their guns with hyper auto aim-bot & a 100% accuracy button and magic cards.

 

I dont get how anyone could make a wild west game with the ONLY playable PVP combat system to be like this.

 

A Hardcore lobby would make you feel like you could get into ACTUAL skill based gunfight or duel at any time. Sure, grief if you want to but you better be a damn good shot and youd better know how to fight, and may the best man (or lady) win... No gimmicks to save you, just like life out on the frontier. I'd love it, finally have a reason to keep playing.

Edited January 3, 2021 by Megadeus

[StyxTx]

5 hours ago, Megadeus said:

Cowboys didnt have computer programs embedded into their guns with hyper auto aim-bot & a 100% accuracy button and magic cards.

 

I dont get how anyone could make a wild west game with the ONLY playable PVP combat system to be like this.

 

A Hardcore lobby would make you feel like you could get into ACTUAL skill based gunfight or duel at any time. Sure, grief if you want to but you better be a damn good shot and youd better know how to fight, and may the best man (or lady) win... No gimmicks to save you, just like life out on the frontier. I'd love it, finally have a reason to keep playing.

Yeah. I mean they already give you auto aim, so why the cards on top of that? You have tonics, so why cards on top of that? If you want cards and tonic, do away with auto aim. If you want auto aim get rid of cards and tonics. It's a bit of overkill, no pun intended.

Edited January 3, 2021 by StyxTx

[CosmicBuffalo]

On 1/1/2021 at 6:06 PM, djb204 said:

Defensive Mode is not free-aim PvP. Players who want free-aim sessions aren’t trying to avoid PvP. We are looking for a free-aim PvP.

 

Take wagon deliveries for example: Auto-Aim players can take out any wagon with simple combination of Auto-Aim, Paint It Black, and an explosive round. No amount of slippery bastard will prevent a Paint It Black explosive round from hitting your wagon horses. 

1) If you are going around shooting people, why do you care if they can auto aim you back.  2)If you are in defensive and not attacking other players and an auto aimer fights you, this is a free-aim pvp battle. 3) There are PVP modes which are both in the game that are free-aim and hardcore no cards.  4) Anyone can use PIB and Dynamite arrows on wagon even with free aim because it paints the horses and is easy to paint the player as well.  5)Yes, I am aware that several missions and long distance sales remove you from defensive.  You have just as much a chance of completing these activities...high 90s and then switching to back to Defensive.   I have wrecked my wagon far more than I have been attacked by players.  

 

Defensive mode is already free aim pvp unless you are starting fights, and if you are starting fights and want free aim, just win your free aim fights against autoaimers using slippery...hardly anyone wants to free roam battle in this game anyway, so most players will simply parlay after a few kills.  

Edited January 3, 2021 by CosmicBuffalo

[StyxTx]

52 minutes ago, CosmicBuffalo said:

I have wrecked my wagon far more than I have been attacked by players. 

 

Let me know next time you hit the road so I can stay clear.

[CosmicBuffalo]

8 hours ago, StyxTx said:

Let me know next time you hit the road so I can stay clear.

I use railroad tracks and go off road as much as possible to decrease ride times.  If you wreck or are attacked, just quit the game and start again.  If its one person or a couple low levels that attack, this is a great way to own them and then quit the game, so they get nothing and you just redo the sale.

Edited January 3, 2021 by CosmicBuffalo

[XerostarTG]

PVP for me is utterly broken. I honestly think Dead Eye should not have paint is black, or at least have some sort of lock on delay of say 1 second or even .5 sec (small amounts of time matters in pvp). I hate just riding my horse through Great Plains to get sniped by someone using aim assist and paint it black (lol; absolutely no skill). Aim assist is such a huge unfair advantage, I have been playing games without aim assist for a decade, and I still have a hard time of beating them in PVP (mainly due to the whole "head nudge" trick; where they one shot you [over and over again]).

[CosmicBuffalo]

42 minutes ago, XerostarTG said:

PVP for me is utterly broken. I honestly think Dead Eye should not have paint is black, or at least have some sort of lock on delay of say 1 second or even .5 sec (small amounts of time matters in pvp). I hate just riding my horse through Great Plains to get sniped by someone using aim assist and paint it black (lol; absolutely no skill). Aim assist is such a huge unfair advantage, I have been playing games without aim assist for a decade, and I still have a hard time of beating them in PVP (mainly due to the whole "head nudge" trick; where they one shot you [over and over again]).

If they just left the bloom until the card paints like every other card, it would be balance the card.  If they made the person double click going in and out of it like every other card, this would also balance this card.  Right now, the mouth breathers using it just let go of the trigger and it deactivates.  Its pretty clear which card is the favorite of R*.  People exploit the card by getting fast head shots because who know that this cards gives instant accuracy when shooting even if you have not painted your target...tryhards that's it.  No causal person trying to rank up or buy a golden gun knows or cares about this.   

Edited January 5, 2021 by CosmicBuffalo

[XerostarTG]

5 minutes ago, CosmicBuffalo said:

If they just left the bloom until the card paints like every other card, it would be balance the card.  If they made the person double click going in and out of it like every other card, this would also balance this card.  Right now, the mouth breathers using it just let go of the trigger and it deactivates.  Its pretty clear which card is the favorite of R*.  People exploit the card the card by getting fast head shots because who know that this cards gives instant accuracy when shooting even if you have not painted your target...tryhards that's it.  No causal person trying to rank up or buy a golden gun knows or cares about this.   

Exactly. PVP might actually be fun if PIB were not in the game [in the state that it is in].

[4eyedcoupe]

Why signal one card out?  Just get rid of all of them and level the playing field

[CosmicBuffalo]

22 minutes ago, 4eyedcoupe said:

Why signal one card out?  Just get rid of all of them and level the playing field

I actually like the cards, so it gives some variety.  There are multiple ways to use the cards that are effective.  For instance, Quite and Inspiration is awesome for 5 star legendary bounties or ruthless moonshiner missions.  If you have a posse with focus fire it increases your damage while the person with Quite and Inspiration increase your health.

Spoiler

Although many are a waste of time and put you at a disadvantage.  They are good enough goal to rank and buy to have them all.  I only use about 6 on a regular basis.  However, that could change.  They really need to nerf PIB into the ground, just like every other card.  PIB is the only card that has not received a substantial nerf.  In a way, it was buffed against Slippery because the game aim assists you even though you are less likely to get a hit.  With PIB, the player is far more likely to be able one tap head shot.  It was basically impossible to do this with Slippery before the nerf or buff for PIB.  Slippery had its problems such popping out with a shot gun at very close distance which is still possible.  And people tackling with it, still possible.  But less so with PIB.

 

Edited January 5, 2021 by CosmicBuffalo

[Master Tyrus]

Is there another game on the market that forces the computer to aim for you? I killed someone yesterday without even looking as the wide lock on and pump action done the work for me. Rockstar just appeases the lowest common denominator, as the auto noobs would quit if there was even an option for real gunfights

[AmyStone]

On 12/30/2020 at 10:10 AM, djb204 said:

What if.... any time a player using aim-assist settings engages a player using free-aim settings, the aim assist player is forced into free-aim? 

 

That sounds like a perfect recipe for griefing. 

[*Lola]

6 hours ago, CosmicBuffalo said:

If they just left the bloom until the card paints like every other card, it would be balance the card.  If they made the person double click going in and out of it like every other card, this would also balance this card.  Right now, the mouth breathers using it just let go of the trigger and it deactivates.  Its pretty clear which card is the favorite of R*.  People exploit the card by getting fast head shots because who know that this cards gives instant accuracy when shooting even if you have not painted your target...tryhards that's it.  No causal person trying to rank up or buy a golden gun knows or cares about this.   

No bloom with the small dot.

[CosmicBuffalo]

36 minutes ago, *Lola said:

No bloom with the small dot.

And every card has this before every card was nerfed except PIB.  S&S was an awesome card prior to the nerf.

[Intstringeger]

I don't get why R* is so stubborn about separate lobbies. On PC there are separate lobbies for free aim and, contrary to what many seem to think, I have had a much better experience than on console. And not just for how much more satisfying it is to play on free aim but because griefers with auto aim are more of a nuisance than hackers.

[djb204]

On 1/5/2021 at 8:37 AM, 4eyedcoupe said:

Why signal one card out?  Just get rid of all of them and level the playing field

Yup. Exactly. I notice the ones that hate PIB are usually the ones that use “Slippery Bastard”. They hate PIB because it’s the counter to SB. All the cards should go. Let every one go toe to toe with no tonics or abilities. Just skill.

[XerostarTG]

39 minutes ago, djb204 said:

Yup. Exactly. I notice the ones that hate PIB are usually the ones that use “Slippery Bastard”. They hate PIB because it’s the counter to SB. All the cards should go. Let every one go toe to toe with no tonics or abilities. Just skill.

 

I am a newer player (about a month; at level 50 I think now) and I had no cards for quite a while. I had no idea cards were in the game, once I noticed that they were there I realized it was one way to lose my hard earned money (yet again as a new player; always titillating on the edge of $2500 to $2750). I have also only been in one pvp engagement (free roam; I am not going to those PVP modes, I feel suspicious), given I am on console and strictly/devoutly [by this point] do not use aim assist I got wiped by someone using aim assist and PIB. Cards just seem so odd/stupid to me and should be removed entirely. Tonics on the other hand should only be only taken out of PVP modes. Tonics, medicine, snake oil, etc. have had a place since RDR (I do not know about Revolver) so I that is my only reason to why they should be left alone; also you could get attacked by, say a cougar, and another player [perhaps a greifer] could just kill you given your weakened state (though most players are pretty chill). The only mode I would ever put tonics, and what not, in is in a mode I believe is called Hunt, or something like that you essentially hunt players I believe. Otherwise no tonics in PVP modes.

[Miguel Cabanas]

I think R* have at least 3 options

1 - create Lobbys to free aimers

 

2 - when You put free aim in settings you choose one more Dead Eye Card.

(PIB ... Slippering) .

 

3 - Any player who use auto-aimer and encounters a free aimer cant lock on that Player (You tell me that stupid because free aimers gonna Grief auto aimers) ... but if R* put a penalty on free aimers that abuse ? Maybe gold or money. 

[AmyStone]

On 1/3/2021 at 3:55 AM, CosmicBuffalo said:

Defensive mode is already free aim pvp unless you are starting fights

 

I think that's only true if you're doing badly in the fight. If you're defensive and get attacked you will stay in defensive mode. But if you inflict a certain amount of damage on the other players then you leave defensive.

14 hours ago, Miguel Cabanas said:

I think R* have at least 3 options

1 - create Lobbys to free aimers

 

2 - when You put free aim in settings you choose one more Dead Eye Card.

(PIB ... Slippering) .

 

3 - Any player who use auto-aimer and encounters a free aimer cant lock on that Player (You tell me that stupid because free aimers gonna Grief auto aimers) ... but if R* put a penalty on free aimers that abuse ? Maybe gold or money. 

 

They will use the 4th option. Do nothing and leave things exactly as they are.

[CosmicBuffalo]

8 hours ago, AmyStone said:

 

I think that's only true if you're doing badly in the fight. If you're defensive and get attacked you will stay in defensive mode. But if you inflict a certain amount of damage on the other players then you leave defensive.

Well, that is wrong.  Sometimes the game bugs out if you kill a griefers horse and put you in offensive.  I have stayed in defensive after switching and got 15 kills or more for over 30 mintues or more doing this.  This can happen after being shot once while you are in offensive...not even killed.  As long as some nitwit in the posse shoots you and actually makes contact, you can stay in defensive indefinitely.  Eventually, the other side can switch defensive and try to even the score.  Normally, you have demoralized these gta griefers so badly in 5 mintues they are parley or realize that if they quit shooting you they turn blue and if you shoot them it kicks you to offensive.  Very rarely, minimap will bug out and the griefers are blue but they are still red on your minimap, but most likely if are kicked out, you killed someone horse.

 

Edited February 1, 2021 by CosmicBuffalo

[AmyStone]

6 hours ago, CosmicBuffalo said:

As long as some nitwit in the posse shoots you and actually makes contact, you can stay in defensive indefinitely.

 

That's not my experience at all. Seems like there's something going wrong then.

[CosmicBuffalo]

Stop killng the griefers horses.  I literally did this last night.  I was killed twice before going defensive.  I killed one in the posse over 10 times.  Another over 5 times.  Eventually, they parley.  So, this definitely work.  Griefers will complain and say you are cheating.  The short story is...unless they quit griefing, they are always susceptible to this counter.  I have had a posse of 4 standalone gtao griefers all send messages after killing them all point blank with a shotgun message me and tell me I am cheating.  A posse of 4.  I mean who goes around attacking somone 4v1. Losers, thats who.  Most of these people will never do anything alone.  They are followers.  They usually get demoralized after 5 kills and parley.  I had gotten into the habit of not even switching against griefers but some have finally figured out the best cards to play.  So now, I just switch right away...never let a griefer win.  Even if they do win, make it hard for them and get kills on them.

 

I just did this a group of 3 noobs again.  At one point after killing each guy 5 or 6 times, one of the guys rode up and blast me with 4 incendiary rounds.  I shook it off due to defensive and proceeded to kill them for another 10 mins.  They got 0 kills.  I was never kicked from defensive for over 30 minutes and 30 plus kills.

Edited February 2, 2021 by CosmicBuffalo

[Enchilada]

Did y’all not learn anything from those hardcore series?

 

 “Free aim” was never a thing in the red dead universe. It is either auto aim or expert aim with assist aka hardcore.

 

This game is too fast paced on console. You need the assist and with all these cards and tonics, you need to be in and out. I don’t know about you, but i don't want a shotgun/sniper fest sand box. 
 

I'm from the old red dead, where you don’t need the deadeye tonic or dodge mechanic because it took ONE shot to the head to get the job done. I play this game everyday and I’ve yet to encounter a player that strictly challenged me with a single pistol/revolver load out. And y’all should be embarrassed to those who use dual sawed offs/mousers holy sh*t.

 

Y’all have fun spraying and praying. RIP rdr2

 

[AmyStone]

16 hours ago, Enchilada said:

And y’all should be embarrassed to those who use dual sawed offs/mousers holy sh*t.

 

The trouble is nobody is embarrassed. I always message and call people out when they use explosive ammo. They message back thinking they won the fight just because they got a few cheap explosive kills. The fact a kill takes no skill doesn't bother them at all.

[*Lola]

On 1/31/2021 at 8:28 PM, CosmicBuffalo said:

As long as some nitwit in the posse shoots you and actually makes contact, you can stay in defensive indefinitely.

 

I started a defensive temp posse the other day and let it stay open for the public to join.

A few players joined and one of the players immediately started trying to kill me.

Ok then, defensive off, kicked player from posse, tore into him with incendiary ammo.

Three to five kills later he parleys. The heat got to him. LoL

 

 

 

 

Edited February 5, 2021 by *Lola