Add Scope to Bolt Action, or...?

[aaronBLUEeyes]

I haven’t purchased a Scope for my Bolt Action yet, and it’s the long arm I use the most. Everything from hunting to PvP.

 

Recently I’ve been in Free Roam battles without a scoped weapon and it’s been detrimental.

 

Not sure if I should:

• Get a scope for my Bolt Action to toggle to when needed
• Purchase either a Carcano or RollingBlock

 

 

[roggek]

With a scope equipped you disable auto-aim, and the scope is useless in PvP.
So go for the Carcano rifle.

[AmyStone]

Yes. Carcano is your best option. Using a scope on a bolt is ok at a pinch but in most cases you will miss or not do enough damage. It might be ok for hunting but that's it. Forget it for frequent PvP use.

[Gray-Hand]

It is worth getting a scope for the Bolt Action (and every other weapon that will take one for that matter).  The longer the scope, the better.  It isn’t useless in PvP.

Roggek has worded his post badly - Equipping a scope does not disable auto-aim for a weapon, but you can’t use auto-aim while actually looking down a scope.

 

The Carcano is the better choice compared to the Rolling Block.  I started with the Rolling Block for its alpha damage, switched to the Carcano to try something new, and never looked back.  I never enjoyed sniping in either GTAO or RDO until I started using a Carcano.

 

Having said all that - in PvP, sniping is probably more about ability cards than weapons.

Edited December 23, 2020 by Gray-Hand

[StyxTx]

I love the Carcano.

[kcole4001]

The only downside to the Carcano is that you can't toggle the scope, while with the bolt action you can.

I use the Carcano all the time, I own a rolling block with a scope, but never use it, I used to use the bolt action initially for hunting, then during trade route which I haven't done for a long time.

 

If you can afford all three, try them out and see which is best suited to you.

Range, damage, and rate of fire are all sightly different for these.

[DentureDynamite]

33 minutes ago, kcole4001 said:

The only downside to the Carcano is that you can't toggle the scope, while with the bolt action you can.

I use the Carcano all the time, I own a rolling block with a scope, but never use it, I used to use the bolt action initially for hunting, then during trade route which I haven't done for a long time.

I prefer the Rolling Block only because of its auto-reload; the Carcano definitely has an advantage in its faster reload time. Otherwise I'd say they're both solid rifles.

 

IMO once you find a scoped rifle you like, just stick with it and you'll be surprised how well you can shoot with enough practice--I've found ways to offset the longer reload delay in the Rolling Block, but it can be dicey at times.

 

Lately, (only for my PS4 char) I've been using the Springfield rifle (rather than the Bolt-Action) for non-scoped combat since it seems to do a bit more damage.

Edited December 23, 2020 by DentureDynamite

[IamCourtney]

IMO, aside from aesthetic considerations, there's no good reason not to put a scope on any gun that supports one. It'll never replace a dedicated sniper rifle of course but there are plenty of occasions where it's handy to be able to just scope with the gun you have in hand rather than switch.

[jackedbanan]

do both and equip sharpshooter

[DarksunDaFirst]

11 hours ago, roggek said:

With a scope equipped you disable auto-aim, and the scope is useless in PvP.
So go for the Carcano rifle.

Scope is very useful with a BA when coupled with Slippery Bastard in PvP.

 

You can use a BA in PvP as your long arm in PvP, but enter SB and to take advantage of the scope.

10 hours ago, Gray-Hand said:

It is worth getting a scope for the Bolt Action (and every other weapon that will take one for that matter).  The longer the scope, the better.  It isn’t useless in PvP.

Roggek has worded his post badly - Equipping a scope does not disable auto-aim for a weapon, but you can’t use auto-aim while actually looking down a scope.

 

The Carcano is the better choice compared to the Rolling Block.  I started with the Rolling Block for its alpha damage, switched to the Carcano to try something new, and never looked back.  I never enjoyed sniping in either GTAO or RDO until I started using a Carcano.

 

Having said all that - in PvP, sniping is probably more about ability cards than weapons.

I keep a short scope on the Carcano and BA for the same reason - unaffected by Slippery Bastard.  
 

I keep a long scope on the Rolling Block for true sniping action at the longest distances.  

[CosmicBuffalo]

Buy the scope, gold plate it, looks cool, but pretty much useless.  As the rolling block and carcano are way better.

[Krommer]

I'm very bad trying to snipe people in PVP, so I mainly just use the long scope that is on my bolt rifle when hunting.

 

I like it to have the scope because I don't feel like switching to a sniper rifle just for shooting an animal when I'm already

using a bolt rifle and just zoomed in to see if it looks like a better shot; that is really the only thing I use the "scope" for, 

the first perfect kill on a pronghorn out of a group of them (then the rest I just ride after on the horse shooting with the bolt

rifle in normal view, since they move along so quick.)

[jazzbone]

I have added scopes on my Springfield, Bolt Action, and Varmint rifles.
The only con to scoping a weapon is that iron sights is lost in first person.
All scopes purchased can be removed and equiped again as one may desire.
Also i believe removing and equiping scopes still counts for the upgrade a weapon daily.

For hunting a scope is great for head shots like on deer, gators, birds.
Being able to quick switch to a scope is a big adavantage. I get a lot of perfect birds with my scoped Varmint rifle.
A sniper is still the best for long shots for perfect game and long shots at roadblocks on buffed Revenuer's.
Scopes are cheap so adding a scope and seeing how uesfull it may be for you is not risking big money.

Two features i wish scopes would have, zooming and to be able to determine the rating of an animal while using a scope.
Happy Holidays everyone.

Edited December 24, 2020 by jazzbone

[1898]

There's been more times I wish my BA didn't  have a scope than times I wish I had.  It's when I accidentally hit the down arrow and activate it in the heat of a shootout.  It seems I always fumble around trying to disable.

Edited December 25, 2020 by 1898

[STNeish]

I used ONLY the bolt action rifle for a long while.  It's a good straight combat weapon, rather than also carrying a repeater, and it can have the scope for sniping and hunting.  However, I found it often left targets, particularly animals alive when it hit them, even on headshots, and it FREQUENTLY missed altogether, even when the dot was red.  I switched to the rolling block for hunting and sniping, and use the Litchfield repeater for most other things.

[Gray-Hand]

5 hours ago, STNeish said:

I used ONLY the bolt action rifle for a long while.  It's a good straight combat weapon, rather than also carrying a repeater, and it can have the scope for sniping and hunting.  However, I found it often left targets, particularly animals alive when it hit them, even on headshots, and it FREQUENTLY missed altogether, even when the dot was red.  I switched to the rolling block for hunting and sniping, and use the Litchfield repeater for most other things.

There are few scenarios, if any, where a Litchfield repeater would be preferable to a Bolt Action rifle.  Litchfields are one of the crapiest guns in the game.

[STNeish]

12 hours ago, Gray-Hand said:

There are few scenarios, if any, where a Litchfield repeater would be preferable to a Bolt Action rifle.  Litchfields are one of the crapiest guns in the game.

How do you figure?  I've had great success with it.

Good rate of fire and magazine size (though, I do love the Evans for that), and hit hits really hard, almost as hard as the rifles.  Accuracy is pretty good too.

[Gray-Hand]

1 hour ago, STNeish said:

How do you figure?  I've had great success with it.

Good rate of fire and magazine size (though, I do love the Evans for that), and hit hits really hard, almost as hard as the rifles.  Accuracy is pretty good too.

It is by far the least accurate out of all the repeaters and rifles.  Accuracy is probably the most important stat of any gun in this game.  Every other repeater and rifle outperforms it in both PVE and PVP.  

 

If you use a Litchfield you are putting yourself at a disadvantage.  This is not a controversial opinion.

[aaronBLUEeyes]

I’ve been very successful with BA sans scope for hunting with perfect pelts, PvP in lieu of a repeater and PvE esp one shot-ing enemies whilst on horseback.

 

But in long range PvP where others are using a scoped long arm is where I struggle.

 

If I add a scope this might solve that issue. But I"ve also been thinking about getting either Carcano or Rolling Block.

 

I already have Sharpshooter III from using Evans Repeater — so it’s just a matter of which longarm I should snipe with.

[Gray-Hand]

1 hour ago, aaronBLUEeyes said:

I’ve been very successful with BA sans scope for hunting with perfect pelts, PvP in lieu of a repeater and PvE esp one shot-ing enemies whilst on horseback.

 

But in long range PvP where others are using a scoped long arm is where I struggle.

 

If I add a scope this might solve that issue. But I"ve also been thinking about getting either Carcano or Rolling Block.

 

I already have Sharpshooter III from using Evans Repeater — so it’s just a matter of which longarm I should snipe with.

If you want to win snipe offs, get a Carcano and Sharpshooter.  If you try to just use a scoped bolt action, you just won’t be competitive against a player of similar skill.

 

But you should still get a scope for your bolt action in any case.

 

[Do not Bogart that]

6 hours ago, Gray-Hand said:

It is by far the least accurate out of all the repeaters and rifles.  

Accuracy is probably the most important stat of any gun in this game.  Every other repeater and rifle outperforms it in both PVE and PVP.  

 

If you use a Litchfield you are putting yourself at a disadvantage.

 

Only if you use the (small) scope, it will actually outperforme every other Repeater because of it's sheer power but ONLY then. Come to think of it, you'd aim for the head and even the Varmint does the trick here.

 

(I don't want Litchfield...

I'm a Dapper Dan Man!!!)

 

And depending on style of course, I would recommend to scope every Rifle and/or Repeater. Can't see a downside to it as there are different scope sizes (besides money?) and they don't all apply to every weapon (you just remove'em).

 

Finally, you can vary depending on your needs...

- BoltAction (medium scope) + Carcano (long scope)

- Carcano (medium) + RollingBlock (long)

...

 

[jazzbone]

Any rifle with a scope added does not replace the performance of a sniper rifle.
I was amazed at the increased range and damage when i first used my Rolling Block sniper compared to my Springfield.
For example head shots on deer, even at longer distances, were not misses like with my scoped Springfield.

[Rez090]

On 12/23/2020 at 4:00 AM, roggek said:

With a scope equipped you disable auto-aim

Don't know where you heard that but incorrect.

[STNeish]

16 hours ago, Gray-Hand said:

It is by far the least accurate out of all the repeaters and rifles.  Accuracy is probably the most important stat of any gun in this game.  Every other repeater and rifle outperforms it in both PVE and PVP.  

 

If you use a Litchfield you are putting yourself at a disadvantage.  This is not a controversial opinion.

I wasn't trying to start an argument, I was just saying what my experience of the gun was.  I've not really had any issues with the accuracy of the gun (though my Evans is definitely more accurate), and the power of the thing is leaps and bounds better than the Evans or even the Lancaster.

 

Still, to each his own.  I do still go back to the Evans from time to time.

[StyxTx]

17 hours ago, Gray-Hand said:

It is by far the least accurate out of all the repeaters and rifles.  Accuracy is probably the most important stat of any gun in this game.  Every other repeater and rifle outperforms it in both PVE and PVP.  

 

If you use a Litchfield you are putting yourself at a disadvantage.  This is not a controversial opinion.

I don't even use repeaters. Not online and not in SP. Not enough damage for me.

 

Springfield or bolt action and the sniper rifles which I change depending on my mood that day are my rifles of choice.

Edited December 26, 2020 by StyxTx

[STNeish]

12 minutes ago, StyxTx said:

I don't even use repeaters. Not online and not in SP. Not enough damage for me.

 

Springfield or bolt action and the sniper rifles which I change depending on my mood that day are my rifles of choice.

I used to do that too, as I said.  The Bolt Action was my preferred rifle.  I did eventually start using the Evans, because I found myself always reloading at inopportune moments.  All that extra magazine capacity is a godsend... and if you're landing headshots, the actual damage output is not important.

[StyxTx]

1 hour ago, STNeish said:

I used to do that too, as I said.  The Bolt Action was my preferred rifle.  I did eventually start using the Evans, because I found myself always reloading at inopportune moments.  All that extra magazine capacity is a godsend... and if you're landing headshots, the actual damage output is not important.

I know some people prefer the less damage/more shots weapons. I'm lazy. I'd rather take one shot to accomplish something that other weapons take multi shots with. But, being someone who prefers free aim, headshots are not easy no matter which weapon so that makes me want a more damage weapon.

[STNeish]

28 minutes ago, StyxTx said:

I know some people prefer the less damage/more shots weapons. I'm lazy. I'd rather take one shot to accomplish something that other weapons take multi shots with. But, being someone who prefers free aim, headshots are not easy no matter which weapon so that makes me want a more damage weapon.

Ya, I'm on free aim too, playing PC.  It's still one or two shots to a kill for me, but I seem to be stuck fighting armies all the time, so if I'm reloading after only 12 or so shots..., I've still got half the enemy force to deal with.  So, I like more ammo.

[StyxTx]

4 minutes ago, STNeish said:

Ya, I'm on free aim too, playing PC.  It's still one or two shots to a kill for me, but I seem to be stuck fighting armies all the time, so if I'm reloading after only 12 or so shots..., I've still got half the enemy force to deal with.  So, I like more ammo.

I'm moving to another cover area in those times. Reload once I get there. To each his own though.

 

It may be my imagination but repeaters don't have the range that the other rifles have. I like to keep as far as possible from enemies cuz I'm .

Edited December 26, 2020 by StyxTx

[aaronBLUEeyes]

I’m playin on Xbox with Aim Assist which is a challenge for me because I prefer free aim, but didn’t know RDO was like GTA-Online in regards to Free Aim vs Aim Assist — and several of our Posse members prefer aim assist, so I’m staying in assisted aim for them.

Leaning towards getting a Carcano with Short-scope + Sharpshooter. Because I don’t own either riffle yet, I’m thinking if I  miss a shot with the RollingBlock — it will be less forgiving to reload and Fire again as players move less predictably than NPCs.