Potential and actual payout

[Nutduster]

To the point, is it possible to get anywhere near the "potential" payout of this heist, even with 4 people? We ran this with my full group last night for the first time. Did it twice back to back. We filled all four of loot bags to capacity. Granted, we had problems--set off the alarm both runs so had to fight our way out and lost a fair bit of money getting shot up. Nonetheless, my "potential" score was almost 5 million, and what we actually took down was under 2 mil. Is that potential number just completely misleading? It seems like scoping out most of the secondary targets is pointless because you can only collect a handful of them, and most of the good ones were inside the compound anyway.

 

I was willing to put a lot of time and restarts as needed into cleaning out the place, but in the end my 4-man team got paid less than 500k apiece and I felt like we could have done better just robbing the casino again in like 1/4 of the time.

[Gaffa]

I agree... I wonder if Rockstar made a balls of the numbers somewhere and in fact we should be able to fill our bags with more... 

 

As a solo player, this is what I found was the most I could carry in a bag: 

Cash = $352,260, from 4x pickups

Weed = $390,360, from 3x pickups

Cocaine = $448,920 from 2x pickups

 

Couldn't test anything else due to the RNG on what loot you get and where it is. It probably needs to be 50% or more higher than what it is. 

[Nutduster]

Sounds like coke and, I'm guessing, gold are where it's at. All the other stuff seems to be distraction because it's worth less and you won't have room to carry it anyway.

 

It also seems like you are heavily incentivized to run this solo, which bums me out. I don't mind that it CAN be run solo but it seems counter-intuitive in a multiplayer game to make that by far the best option. I was actually hoping for a new kind of heist model with this: with more people you could spend lots of time cleaning out the island and still get paid individually a lot of cash (like a million apiece or something if you spend half an hour hitting every last stash). The limitations are disappointing and also makes me feel like the massive amount of time I spent scoping out and finding all the stashes was a pointless waste.

[ChiroVette]

So a question. I saw the numbers from @Gaffa's post. I am unfamiliar with how the bags and numbers are calculated. When you did it solo, did you walk away with $362,600 x 4 for x pickups, or just the straight $360K for the entire heist? If so, were you able to go back for more of the loot later on, or did you have to redo a scoping mission for the the non-permanent scoped-items? I think my real question is, since you scoped all those loot caches, potentially up to $5Mill, were you able to go back later, for a new finale, to get the ones you missed, still on the map? Or once you complete the heist, that was it, and you had to start all over again even though you only got a fraction of the "potential take?"

[Gaffa]

1 hour ago, ChiroVette said:

So a question. I saw the numbers from @Gaffa's post. I am unfamiliar with how the bags and numbers are calculated. When you did it solo, did you walk away with $362,600 x 4 for x pickups, or just the straight $360K for the entire heist? If so, were you able to go back for more of the loot later on, or did you have to redo a scoping mission for the the non-permanent scoped-items? I think my real question is, since you scoped all those loot caches, potentially up to $5Mill, were you able to go back later, for a new finale, to get the ones you missed, still on the map? Or once you complete the heist, that was it, and you had to start all over again even though you only got a fraction of the "potential take?"

 

Have you actually played the heist? Some of these will be answered from doing so and setting up the one after your initial excursion - I think some questions / answers are somewhat spoilers, but I guess I'll go on anyway.

 

1) 4x pickups means you need to go to 4 different places where cash is to be able to carry the maximum quantity. 

You can't do the heist without acquiring the primary target, so the loot should always be a minimum of $900,000. Secondary targets are just that - optional but give you extra cash. 

 

2) Don't really get this second question - once you collect loot, it's gone - unless like the Diamond Casino Heist there's a "bug" where you can collect a secondary target before going into the compound, and then afterwards return to the same secondary target location as before, only to find more of the same loot which you can collect again. 

 

The only permanently scoped items are the likes of the Control Tower, Power Station and underwater tunnel - perhaps some others. Everything else isn't permanent and the next time you start a heist, the locations of Guard Clothing, Grappling Equipment, Bolt Cutters and Secondary Targets could all be different, as it's random. 

 

3) You can't go back in a new heist to collect things you missed because as above, it's random placements and most likely even if you scope every secondary target, the overall potential take will change each time. There's no way to "offload" the loot from your bag, at least that we know - so once it's full, it's full and there's no way to collect more.

 

Pavel mentions during the prep work that you can go in solo but that you get more money with more people, and you need at least two people for certain things... 

[RyuNova]

Because potential take is the sum of everything you have scouted that run. Primary Target and Secondary Targets combined. How much you would get for clearing out everything you have scouted.

You can't carry enough to clear out the entire Potential Take.

 

You also don't get more money with other people. You carry more loot but if it's share equally then you make less money than if you did it Solo and grabbed Weed or the lucky Cocaine spawns.

Edited December 17, 2020 by RyuNova

[Mdc]

3 hours ago, Gaffa said:

I agree... I wonder if Rockstar made a balls of the numbers somewhere and in fact we should be able to fill our bags with more... 

 

As a solo player, this is what I found was the most I could carry in a bag: 

Cash = $352,260, from 4x pickups

Weed = $390,360, from 3x pickups

Cocaine = $448,920 from 2x pickups

 

Couldn't test anything else due to the RNG on what loot you get and where it is. It probably needs to be 50% or more higher than what it is. 

 

Yeah my son and me just cringed at coming away with 1.9 million undetected on hard. Pathetic. Potential take 5.6mil my arse. If this is the way it's meant to be, we agreed to do enough play throughs to use each vehicle each and unlock the awards then sack the heist.

 

1 rockstar messed up and the loot bags hold less than they should (unlikely) 

2 there's some secret way to offload what you carry and go back for more (again unlikely) 

3 most likely rockstar f*cked up the calculation of potential take to include all scoped targets taking into no consideration the loot bag capacity. Probably different people responsible for different code.

[ChiroVette]

@Gaffa, I did play the heist on Day 1, but I was sort of zoning out, since I was bored.So a lot of the things I would have learned if I was paying more attention were probably lost on me, lol, like snapping pics which I was sending to Pavel. Also, it was someone else's preps and heist from his sub, so I never did one from mine. I was considering scoping out some stuff on the Island if I get bored in the next few days, just in case I ever want to actually do the preps and another heist, with others or alone.

 

I know that the loot, primary and secondary, are impermanent, and change with every heist, but I was asking about all those POI's like entrances and exits and such. I am a little confused by what exactly I could scope that will stay in my game permanently, sort of like the Casino Heists where you scope all the points ONCE, and then they are in your game forever, but the vault contents obviously change. In truth, I am very confused by a lot of the info for the Cayenne Pepper heists, hence my rather silly questions. As for your third answer, I may have phrased my question badly. What I was asking is, say you have really done an exhaustive search of the island, and found all available, and randomly placed loot items, both primary and secondary. Say further that you go to the island yourself to do the finale after doing all preps yourself. You cash in or fence or whatever you do to get your money from Pavel. With me so far? Okay, so now you're done with the heist, singly. Or even with others, let's say. So Heist over, you get paid, or you and your buddies get paid. Now you want to do it again. My question, which obviously I phrased badly, is can you do another Finale, and go back for all the s**t you couldn't carry the first time? Or do you now have to start all over, find all the primary and secondary loot once again, do the preps again, and only then another Finale? Because, and maybe this is just me, it really seems like a waste to find all that loot only to have what you couldn't carry alone or with friends just disappear again. Unless I am misunderstanding something, this would bother me a lot less if finding the loot for a heist was as quick and easy as "Vault Contents" if you catch my meaning.

[Gaffa]

@ChiroVette understandable, that first mission was tiresome. I think in the future, if I know I'm going alone, I'll only scope out the cash / weed / cocaine / gold / artwork, whatever, that can be carried. Obviously I need to find 4x cash locations if I want to collect all the cash I'm able to. 
THEN, if someone else comes along and decides to take part, I can always re-do the original scoping out mission to get more targets on the map... but in actual fact you don't really need to do that - as far as I know - any targets that you can access but didn't previously scope out, can still be stolen for loot. 

 

Maybe I'm wrong though. 

And nah - once your heist is done, it's done. You'll need to do a new scoping out mission + preps. The next time you start it, you might have a new primary target, and the secondary targets will have likely shifted around or be different. 

Edited December 17, 2020 by Gaffa

[Mdc]

8 minutes ago, ChiroVette said:

@Gaffa, I did play the heist on Day 1, but I was sort of zoning out, since I was bored.So a lot of the things I would have learned if I was paying more attention were probably lost on me, lol, like snapping pics which I was sending to Pavel. Also, it was someone else's preps and heist from his sub, so I never did one from mine. I was considering scoping out some stuff on the Island if I get bored in the next few days, just in case I ever want to actually do the preps and another heist, with others or alone.

 

I know that the loot, primary and secondary, are impermanent, and change with every heist, but I was asking about all those POI's like entrances and exits and such. I am a little confused by what exactly I could scope that will stay in my game permanently, sort of like the Casino Heists where you scope all the points ONCE, and then they are in your game forever, but the vault contents obviously change. In truth, I am very confused by a lot of the info for the Cayenne Pepper heists, hence my rather silly questions. As for your third answer, I may have phrased my question badly. What I was asking is, say you have really done an exhaustive search of the island, and found all available, and randomly placed loot items, both primary and secondary. Say further that you go to the island yourself to do the finale after doing all preps yourself. You cash in or fence or whatever you do to get your money from Pavel. With me so far? Okay, so now you're done with the heist, singly. Or even with others, let's say. So Heist over, you get paid, or you and your buddies get paid. Now you want to do it again. My question, which obviously I phrased badly, is can you do another Finale, and go back for all the s**t you couldn't carry the first time? Or do you now have to start all over, find all the primary and secondary loot once again, do the preps again, and only then another Finale? Because, and maybe this is just me, it really seems like a waste to find all that loot only to have what you couldn't carry alone or with friends just disappear again. Unless I am misunderstanding something, this would bother me a lot less if finding the loot for a heist was as quick and easy as "Vault Contents" if you catch my meaning.

 

Tldr most of it cos big block of text. Vault contents equal is scoping island and going up radio tower hacking the box and scanning the cameras. That gives primary loot and a selection of secondary inside compound, most of which you NEED 2 players for because it's behind dual entry keycard doors.

 

If solo you would want to find some coke or something elsewhere due to not being able to access dual card doors solo. If 2 player wise to scope one or 2 extra secondarys depending what you get inside compound. If loads of cash won't fill loot bag etc. 

 

After complete heist everything is reset bar entry, exit points and control tower/power station POI. Hope that helps your niggling questions!

 

Note I'm reliable informed that scoping secondarys isn't necessary, it just marks them on map. So when you learn where they are or solo it and hunt around in heist you can grab anyway.

[ChiroVette]

14 minutes ago, Gaffa said:

@ChiroVette understandable, that first mission was tiresome. I think in the future, if I know I'm going alone, I'll only scope out the cash / weed / cocaine / gold / artwork, whatever, that can be carried. Obviously I need to find 4x cash locations if I want to collect all the cash I'm able to. 
THEN, if someone else comes along and decides to take part, I can always re-do the original scoping out mission to get more targets on the map... but in actual fact you don't really need to do that - as far as I know - any targets that you can access but didn't previously scope out, can still be stolen for loot. 

 

Maybe I'm wrong though. 

And nah - once your heist is done, it's done. You'll need to do a new scoping out mission + preps. The next time you start it, you might have a new primary target, and the secondary targets will have likely shifted around or be different. 

 

Thanks for the info, I really appreciate it! Yeah, the preps I assume you do over and over again every time you want to do a heist, just like Doomsday, Arcade, and Original heists.

 

One thing I am a little unclear about is the game talks about primary and secondary loot. Does that mean I get one bag for primary loot and another bag for secondary? So, say I go alone and go with your suggestion and find 4x cash. That fills up one bag 100%? And if so, am I still going to get secondary loot, or is it once I fill up my bag with the primary, I am done, and need to start working my way to the end of the heist finale?

 

So further following your suggestions then, I would probably be well advised to find a bunch of loot, in case I want to offer a heist finale to some friends, since I have a bunch on PSN and many of them might be broke and unable to do their own Coyote Pecker Heist? But I am still covered if I go alone? One thing in your post is needing two key cards. I remembered this from the other day, when apparently two people doing the heist (we had 4) had to be in the same location to simultaneously use the key card, kind of like in the vault for casino heists. So when do I have to worry about not having two people with key cards, like say I go in alone? I am confused about when this becomes an issue, and if I can work around this going alone by making sure to scope out a bunch of loot locations?

[Mdc]

2 hours ago, ChiroVette said:

 

Thanks for the info, I really appreciate it! Yeah, the preps I assume you do over and over again every time you want to do a heist, just like Doomsday, Arcade, and Original heists.

 

One thing I am a little unclear about is the game talks about primary and secondary loot. Does that mean I get one bag for primary loot and another bag for secondary? So, say I go alone and go with your suggestion and find 4x cash. That fills up one bag 100%? And if so, am I still going to get secondary loot, or is it once I fill up my bag with the primary, I am done, and need to start working my way to the end of the heist finale?

 

So further following your suggestions then, I would probably be well advised to find a bunch of loot, in case I want to offer a heist finale to some friends, since I have a bunch on PSN and many of them might be broke and unable to do their own Coyote Pecker Heist? But I am still covered if I go alone? One thing in your post is needing two key cards. I remembered this from the other day, when apparently two people doing the heist (we had 4) had to be in the same location to simultaneously use the key card, kind of like in the vault for casino heists. So when do I have to worry about not having two people with key cards, like say I go in alone? I am confused about when this becomes an issue, and if I can work around this going alone by making sure to scope out a bunch of loot locations?

 

Secondary goes in the bag. Primary is just collected, separate.

 

2 card system is a problem in the compound for secondary loot, because most of that is locked behind such locks. There's also one by the main dock with a lever, where 1 player holds lever and other collects.

 

Im really not sure why as this is soloable you aren't just playing around with it and learning.

[ChiroVette]

7 minutes ago, Mdc said:

Im really not sure why as this is soloable you aren't just playing around with it and learning.

 

Very fair question. Honestly? I got a really bad taste in my mouth doing the heist as a 4 person team, from my friend's sub. If I am completely frank, I'm not sure I want to do it anymore, but I am asking all these questions thinking maybe I will read something that will inspire me to just say screw it, and go ahead at least with the initial scoping for POI's, tools and loot.

 

Two more question if you don't mind. So the secondary items go in the bag, and that's where you get your percentage from, got it! So if I go in by myself, I should not be trying to get secondary loot, since it is locked behind two-person game mechanisms? Second question is, how does the game limit how many/much primary loot you can get? Thanks for your answers!

[Mdc]

19 minutes ago, ChiroVette said:

 

Very fair question. Honestly? I got a really bad taste in my mouth doing the heist as a 4 person team, from my friend's sub. If I am completely frank, I'm not sure I want to do it anymore, but I am asking all these questions thinking maybe I will read something that will inspire me to just say screw it, and go ahead at least with the initial scoping for POI's, tools and loot.

 

Two more question if you don't mind. So the secondary items go in the bag, and that's where you get your percentage from, got it! So if I go in by myself, I should not be trying to get secondary loot, since it is locked behind two-person game mechanisms? Second question is, how does the game limit how many/much primary loot you can get? Thanks for your answers!

 

You are completely missing the mechanics. Even solo, you will always walk out with the primary loot. In fact you won't finish without it, it's the objective. And it's added to what you or all players collect as secondary to make the cuts.

 

If you go in solo you of course can still get secondary, but only where it isn't behind a 2man system. There is sometimes a painting in the office soloable. Otherwise you would look towards your exit point for stuff behind a padlocked gate in other buildings NOT in the compound areas behind 2man card locks.

 

Honestly, set it up and play around. You will learn a lot about guard locations and movements anyway. What makes a good entry point and not etc. Will give you a much fairer understanding to join other peoples heists and know if they are dumb or not. Casino yung ancestor approach from a random had to be the one getting me hit back out the fastest lol...

 

Plus also mechanic on here when a teammate dies they spectate. The team loses their secondary loot and if they were carrying the primary someone else must go pick it up. Everyone but one can die and the last man must go collect primary loot and the escape and heist will still finish.

Edited December 17, 2020 by Mdc

[ChiroVette]

Thanks for the highly detailed answers, @Mdc! If I ever get over the bad taste I got from doing it once, I am open to trying it again. Like I posted in the bitch & moan thread, I may wait for some high end Youtube videos that show walkthroughs and workarounds. It sounds like doing the finale alone means that it will be near impossible for me to find secondary loot. Honestly, all the tedium of sneaking around, the limiting feel of the island with all of its artificial blocks and walls, were a lot more frustrating than fun for me. But I did buy the sub and all the upgrades you could purchase, so lol maybe at some point, when I get over my gamer-rage at my first foray into C*nty Paprika, I will try playing around with it.

Edited December 17, 2020 by ChiroVette