FPS in the island lower than in the original map?

[Shakurazz]

Hey, I can set the settings to almost max on my GTX 1070 at 1080p and get 60 FPS in the main map but on the island even if I set Normal, the FPS drops to 45-50 in many places. Anyone else experienced this?

Edited December 16, 2020 by Shakurazz

[JairoDM]

33 minutes ago, Shakurazz said:

Hey, I can set the settings to almost max on my GTX 1070 at 1080p and get 60 FPS in the main map but on the island even if I set Normal, the FPS frops to 45-50 in many places. Anyone else experienced this?

Yes, it has happened to me too, I guess Rockstar will have to optimize it better in the future, although at least we can enjoy the game. 

[Shakurazz]

Well, we COULD enjoy the game if it was optimized.

[Dusannn95]

Indeed, I noticed the FPS drop on my side as well. I'm not surprised tho, they probably didn't have time to fully optimize it because of the deadline or something, hopefully they will patch it.

[Malibu Club]

Rockstar put lots and lots of foliage everywhere without optimizing any of it first. My fps plummeted like an atomic bomb when I got to El Runio's compound. I doubt rockstar is ever going to do anything about it.

[el carlitos]

5 minutes ago, Super Gran Turismo said:

Rockstar put lots and lots of foliage everywhere without optimizing any of it first. My fps plummeted like an atomic bomb when I got to El Runio's compound. I doubt rockstar is ever going to do anything about it.

I think they will optimize it when updating the enhanced version for consoles.

They will have to recheck a lot of things when doing the upgrade to NG and thanks to this PC will get same optimizations.

[LeakyLine]

Thank f*ck it's not just me. 

[Verstappen]

This is PC everyone? I felt it was smoother on the island on PS4 then the mainland.

[blk95ta]

During the heist finale last night, everytime I died and restartedxatbthe compound, I would move a few feet and then the game would pause for 5-10 seconds for some reason. It was super annoying. 

[hyperar]

On 12/16/2020 at 5:47 AM, Super Gran Turismo said:

Rockstar put lots and lots of foliage everywhere without optimizing any of it first. My fps plummeted like an atomic bomb when I got to El Runio's compound. I doubt rockstar is ever going to do anything about it.

Happens in the casino, also in newer interiors like the Last Play missions from Gerald

[Killerman29]

yes me too, big fps drops from 60 to 40 around the plantation zone and the docks, i had extended distance scaling at maximun, I had to lower it at minimum but the problem persists

[Agent_076]

I thought I was the only one.

 

Lowered not just grass but all graphics, even reduced resolution, textures, the whole thing. Reinstalled graphics card driver, the game itself, even Windows. Normally my frames are 60-80 on the mainland, regardless of the place, now I get it only on remote locations (paleto bay, desert, etc), while in the city it hardly reaches 60 on free roam. During the Cayo Perico Heist prep missions, it lowers even more on LS, to 40-50s. Both the island and the city, regardless of the graphic quality, the fps doesn't follow up like before the update.

 

Definitely it requires optimization.

Edited December 18, 2020 by Agent_076

[Rymar]

It's not only problem with Cayo Perico. GTA V has problems with vegetation since always. Use MSI Afterburner + RivaTuner with OSD enabled and you will see that GPU load drops. It may seem like CPU bottleneck but even CPU cores which GTA V uses have low load (DirectX 11 uses up to 4 cores). It doesn't matter what's your PC. Even with RTX 3090 in 1080p without putting grass quality at ultra your FPS will drop insanely. Same situation you'll find in e.g. Paleto Bay forest 

2560x1440, MSSA x2 + MFAA (much better than TXAA), grass quality set at high on RTX 2080 Super. GPU load varies between 50-70%, only two cores of my CPU has ~80% load. 

 

I'm getting much higher framerate in RDR 2. So they fixed this in newer version of RAGE and they are aware of this problem. I don't believe they didn't figure out something is wrong with performance while beta tests. They just don't care

Edited December 19, 2020 by Rymar
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[Agent_076]

Exact same here. Except for the rig. Mine is quite low-end. i7 3770, RX 580 8gb and RAM 8gb too. Thought is was the outdated quad-core CPU lacking off instructions or something, but on RDR2/RDO i'm getting 60-70 frames with 1080p ultra textures and medium to the rest of the settings, on Vulkan.

 

Let's hope they patch it. Dunno if I'm with a bot or a real Rockstar Support employee since yesterday, but I sent this topic to them on email, to prove that I'm not the only one and it isn't fault of my jurassic specs.

Edited December 18, 2020 by Agent_076
correction

[MayoChiki]

It's because of the vegetation and quite frankly that was to be expected. If you've ever gone to Madrazo's ranch on PC you will notice frames dropping, add this to the fact that the main map probably doesn't despawn entirely and it's reasonable that this new location will cause performance issues. Same for PS4, frames don't drop but that sh*t is about to take off and kinda scares me

2 minutes ago, Agent_076 said:

Exact same here. Except for the rig. Mine is quite low-end. i7 3770, RX 580 8gb and RAM 8gb too. Thought is was the outdated quad-core CPU lacking off instructions or something, but on RDR2/RDO i'm getting 60-70 frames with 1080p ultra textures and medium to the rest of the settings, on Vulkan.

 

Let's hope they patch it. Dunno if I'm with a bot or a real Rockstar Support employee since yesterday, but I sent this topic to them on email, to prove that I'm not the only one and it isn't fault of my jurassic specs.

 

Most likely a bot. They're well aware of the issue by now. If anything I'm afraid they'll just remove props on PC and call it a day

[Agent_076]

Even with poor vegetation the game was running fine here, even on Madrazo's ranch I've never dropped to below 60. I think it was the poor optimization of the update.

[eejyool]

Is no one mentioning the game runs at like 15-20 fps (perhaps even lower) on base PS4 when in Cayo Perico in a full public session?

[Agent_076]

46 minutes ago, LodwigRedemption said:

Is no one mentioning the game runs at like 15-20 fps (perhaps even lower) on base PS4 when in Cayo Perico in a full public session?

I think that comes from the same problem mentioned here on PC. The update screwed up with the game's performance, regardless of the platform.

[Rymar]

Update didn't screw performance. Update just showed how serious the problem with the grass performance is, because there is no grassy area in San Andreas like in Cayo Perrico. This problem was discussed many times years ago, when GTA V has been released for PCs in 2015, and nothing has changed so far. I doubt if Rockstar will do something with that. At most they will reduce vegetation. Much easier than rewriting a huge part of rendering code but it's just an easy way out. 

[tjakal]

Same, unusually low fps everywhere on the island and especially while looking in the direction of the villa my framerate dives. Upon returning to freemode after the heist my framerate is about 60% of normal til I reboot the game.

I've  also noticed lots of microstutters and dropped frames since after the update. Very much feels like they've broke something related to either the renderer or the asset streaming with this update.

[Agent_076]

23 hours ago, Rymar said:

Update didn't screw performance. Update just showed how serious the problem with the grass performance is, because there is no grassy area in San Andreas like in Cayo Perrico. This problem was discussed many times years ago, when GTA V has been released for PCs in 2015, and nothing has changed so far. I doubt if Rockstar will do something with that. At most they will reduce vegetation. Much easier than rewriting a huge part of rendering code but it's just an easy way out. 

I'm well aware of the grass issue with GTA on PC, but the FPS cap has lowered on the mainland too, and it drops even more during the prep missions. I'm not the only one with this same problem, a friend of mine with i5 9400, RTX 2060 and 16gb RAM had it yesterday. So I'll assume it's kinda both of them. Grass system in this game sucks since always, and the update screwed up even more. Past year, inside the Casino during the Heist finale, I saw a lot of people complaining to this very same issue, but R* patched it. I don't think they'll rework the entire grass overlay, but at least they'll bring back the performance on the mainland.

[z80cpu]

My story.  BEFORE the Cayo Perico update, EVERYTHING was fine.  Then the update?  Lag EVERYWHERE.  Not just on the new map, the old too.  It would freeze for about 2-4 seconds then 'resume'.  FPS seemed to be <10 FPS at times.

 

Updated the video drivers which were needed (not that old) reduced grass to 'normal' and NOTHING.  Same CRAP.  Contacted RS support and that was a waste of time.  Even with providing links to others with same issue, I got the usual reply:  IT WAS MY FAULT.  You know, the customer is ALWAYS wrong, never the developers.

 

BUT, for SOME, there is GOOD NEWS!  I have found a 'temporary' fix which DOES WORK.

 

It appears (based on my fix) that it is an issue with Win10 and GTA.  I have a dual boot system and when I boot into Win7 and play GTA, I have ZERO PERFORMANCE ISSUES.  Both Win10 AND Win7 use the SAME FILES FOR GTA.

 

Use Win10 = Freezes/Lags/Low FPS

 

Use Win7 = PERFECT!

 

I know not everybody can do this, but those that can, it does work!  So every time now I play GTA, I boot into Win7!  For ME, it is not that big of a deal as I have both OS's on a NVMe stick, so booting either is a matter of seconds.

 

This is a TEMPORARY fix though!

 

 

 

PS - I went in and changed the EXE for the launcher AND the game to compat for Win7 and ensured DPI is OFF.  I also ensured Win10 Game Mode was OFF.  Made NO DIFFERENCE in WIn10.  Also set NVidia settings for both EXE's to default - NOTHING.

 

I did notice this though.  When in a 'cell', there was lag UNTIL it loaded, and all was fine.  Move to a new cell, BAM, here comes the lag!  Mind you my GTA is on a NVMe stick, so file access is NOT the issue.  I even more suspect that this is a conflict between GTA and Win10.  Who is at fault?  I would suspect Win10 as, using the SAME FILES under Win7, I do not have this issue at all.

 

This lag even occurs in Story Mode...under Win10 that is... 

 

Edited December 27, 2020 by z80cpu

[Himeros]

Same for me, it really irritates me that I was able to play the game before the update with 50-70 fps (sometimes even higher), but now I'm getting 30-50 fps (mostly 30fps), and my grass quality is on Normal...

[evelpod666]

I have a RTX 3090 and the same issues, I think they must built this for expanded and enhanced on DX12 or Vulkan and backported it to DX11.

[z80cpu]

** UPDATE **

 

I knew there had to some reason why; with the same GTA files, same video drivers, same HS/SW, and using the same GTA profile, why it was lagging/freezing on Win10 but NOT Win7?

 

I think this is one of the times that R* is actually innocent and that the issue lies within Win10.

 

 

BUT, I have found a SOLUTION for this (at least for me).  If you read my post above you will see what was going on and what I tried.

 

 

NOW, I have my GTA working 99% like it should be!  NO LAGS!  NO FREEZING!  (The 1% is on very few times, there is a small lag due to loading.  In 2 days, it happened 3 times for a total of 3 seconds of total 'hang')

 

 

Solution?  Use Razor Cortex!  It is FREE and NO ACCOUNT is needed (log in as 'Guest')!  See:  https://www.razer.com/cortex/boost

 

 

I have used this for about 7 years with Win7 (not with GTA) and it is VERY good.  It will shut down all non-essential programs thus giving you more FPS.  I used it primarily for ARMA.  I would run it, disable stuff, play ARMA, turn stuff back on.

 

I tried this with Win10 and GTA and *POOF*!  Everything is working!  I am even using my default settings and NO ISSUES!  My GTA is running like it did under Win10 3 months ago!  So there is some 'issue' within GTA and Win10 that Razor kills thus allowing it to run as it should be.  This 'issue' does not occur in any other game under Win10 that I have.  Go figure...???

 

Just shut down EVERYTHING except explorer.exe.  WORST case, you computer will crash, but no harm will be done nor any files modified.  I start it, shut everything off, disable the 'Auto Tune' feature, start GTA, when done, restore everything via Razor.  As a note, I have never had my computer crash due to shutting off stuff within Razor!

 

 

Download Razor, start Razor, kill everything (except explorer unless you want to), start GTA, ENJOY ONCE MORE!

 

 

 

 

Edited January 1, 2021 by z80cpu

[Agent_076]

So... That Razer Cortex thing didn't worked for me. Perhaps I'll try the win7 method.

[Georges_563]

(This post has been merged with the existing topic - Rhoda)

 

Since the new update dropped in GTAO a while ago I can say now everyone have already took a look or went to the Cayo peryco island, for me I went to the island and I did everything there but the 1st thing that caught my eye was my FPS dropping from 80 to about 40 when I went to the island and that is so distracting to be honest idk if R* expect people to have super computers so they can go to the island and keeping 60 FPS for me I have an I5-7400 GTX 1660TI and 16 GB of Ram I know its not the best computer out there and its extremely bottlenecked but at least when I am in Los Santos the minimum amount of FPS I get is 60 and I was wondering about upgrading my PC now I am sure that the upgrade is gonna happen but my only concern now is I can upgrade but how about people that can't afford and upgrade what about people that play on laptops and barley run the game how much FPS would they get and is our computers so bad or the island is so heavy and demanding or simply its bad optimized like GTAO one thing I know that GTA5 does not run one the same engine of RDR2 and GTA5's engine is older and its not the best engine that R* have  they have better engines but I hope that the remastered version of GTA that is going to be launched for PS5 and XBOX series X gets an engine update and hope that PC gets the engine update too, and I know updating and engine can be really hard and time consuming after a game has been already released its like reconstructing the whole game but as long as GTA6 is not released the GTA5 community deserves a better engine for the current game    

[Georges_563]

On 12/18/2020 at 4:55 AM, Rymar said:

It's not only problem with Cayo Perico. GTA V has problems with vegetation since always. Use MSI Afterburner + RivaTuner with OSD enabled and you will see that GPU load drops. It may seem like CPU bottleneck but even CPU cores which GTA V uses have low load (DirectX 11 uses up to 4 cores). It doesn't matter what's your PC. Even with RTX 3090 in 1080p without putting grass quality at ultra your FPS will drop insanely. Same situation you'll find in e.g. Paleto Bay forest 

2560x1440, MSSA x2 + MFAA (much better than TXAA), grass quality set at high on RTX 2080 Super. GPU load varies between 50-70%, only two cores of my CPU has ~80% load. 

 

I'm getting much higher framerate in RDR 2. So they fixed this in newer version of RAGE and they are aware of this problem. I don't believe they didn't figure out something is wrong with performance while beta tests. They just don't care

You know my only concern is how is GTASERIESVIDEOS can keep 60FPS on this island because if the frames were at least under 60 the quality would not be that good on the Scope Out Video indeed they have it at 4K they most have a supercomputer and the quality + frames are so good I watched it at 4K

Edited January 7, 2021 by Georges_563