Is the online intended to encourage griefing?

[StyxTx]

1 hour ago, Direwrath said:

I cannot love this suggestion enough!

 

Yeah lately they shoot you in the back and jump servers.  

 

Other players deserve the right to see whether or not others on their server are going to start trouble, that way they can avoid them like the plaque. Or they can decide that they want to push their own brand of justice on that trigger happy player or players.

This idea is actually ingenious in a way because this will promote the pvp that some players are looking for, as there are some players who like to go after the troublemakers. And this in place will detail the griefers location throughout the whole map, and the fact that the player is actually a nuisance on the server.

Maybe they need to make it so that the players shooting defensive players get a different icon or color on the map, that way we don't see regular players killing NPCs or who retaliate against an attack as the offending player.  I kind of wanna know exactly who my target is before I engage because I will not shoot at a player who has done nothing wrong.

 

Also when I get bored I challenge myself with tasks, explore the map, or just take some peace and ride my horse across the map and see what comes up. If that doesn't keep me entertained I jump into story mode or leave the game, I will never interfere with another player just because I am bored. To me that seems like an entitled response. *shrugs*

If nothing else there are tons of buckles to get. Time can be spent towards those. I'm like you. When I've had enough and start feeling bored, time to hop on another game.

Edited December 19, 2020 by StyxTx

[eighthdoctor]

3 hours ago, StyxTx said:

A long time ago dark red players could be seen regardless of location. We used to watch those players and posses on the map when they were way across the map. Once we were watching on the map as one posse was blocking every road into Strawberry. Obviously I couldn't determine their INTENT, but you know. 

I had totally forgotten about the ability to be able to do this! I must have have hopped into RDO just a little bit before R* took that away and being able to see dark red players all the way in Tumbleweed on the big map from my location in Valentine for example!

[roggek]

10 hours ago, StyxTx said:

 

 

A long time ago dark red players could be seen regardless of location. We used to watch those players and posses on the map when they were way across the map. Once we were watching on the map as one posse was blocking every road into Strawberry. Obviously I couldn't determine their INTENT, but you know. 

 

Anyway, for some reason R* took that away. Griefers were probably crying about it too much. We can't hide! We can't hide! Waaa Waaa

 

No, you can still see ther dark red players regardless of location on the map...
Did  see a posse with dark red blips in Valentine from my camp location in Rio Bravo...

But they often jump servers very quick...

 

I love the solution they made in Sea of Thieves, if you rage quit you risk to lose your online gaming ability. You get notified in the game too if you rage quit and the consequences...
Something for R* to copy...

Edited December 19, 2020 by roggek

[kcole4001]

This may be rhetorical, but why would someone do something that bores them in the first place?

 

I can guess why, psychological issues that require them to seek out something to complain about and lash out.

But really, why would anyone with a properly functioning brain do something they know will bore them.

 

Maybe it's goldfish memory? They can't remember from yesterday that they were bored after 5 minutes?

Solution: sticky note on the monitor reading "RDO is boring, do something else".

It's not like anyone's forcing them to play this game, no one's standing behind them with a cattle prod shocking them if they don't load the game is there?

If they don't enjoy what there is to do, find something else to do FFS, don't just expect others to provide/become their entertainment.

 

[Excalibur Voltaire]

If you have to find a way to get a solo lobby just to enjoy an anti-griefing multiplayer experience, then clearly you're suck at making an Online game

[StyxTx]

5 hours ago, roggek said:

 

No, you can still see ther dark red players regardless of location on the map...
Did  see a posse with dark red blips in Valentine from my camp location in Rio Bravo...

But they often jump servers very quick...

 

I love the solution they made in Sea of Thieves, if you rage quit you risk to lose your online gaming ability. You get notified in the game too if you rage quit and the consequences...
Something for R* to copy...

Whenever a dark red person appears in the lobby the first thing I do is check the map and I don't see them anywhere....on PC.

3 hours ago, kcole4001 said:

This may be rhetorical, but why would someone do something that bores them in the first place?

 

I can guess why, psychological issues that require them to seek out something to complain about and lash out.

But really, why would anyone with a properly functioning brain do something they know will bore them.

 

Maybe it's goldfish memory? They can't remember from yesterday that they were bored after 5 minutes?

Solution: sticky note on the monitor reading "RDO is boring, do something else".

It's not like anyone's forcing them to play this game, no one's standing behind them with a cattle prod shocking them if they don't load the game is there?

If they don't enjoy what there is to do, find something else to do FFS, don't just expect others to provide/become their entertainment.

 

That's what I wonder too. I don't do anything that bores me unless I have no choice, like some things at work.

Edited December 19, 2020 by StyxTx

[roggek]

3 hours ago, Western Gunslinger said:

If you have to find a way to get a solo lobby just to enjoy an anti-griefing multiplayer experience, then clearly you're suck at making an Online game

 

No, no ,no. If you attack another player repeadetly in defensive mode, despite the game mechanics, your'e lacking empathy: capacity to understand or feel what another person is experiencing.

Edited December 19, 2020 by roggek

[John McCabe]

I don't know if R* embraces griefing or not but there is no excuse for how bad/broken defensive mode is. It actually makes you more vulnerable to attack in many cases. And the logic of when someone goes red then back to blue either makes no sense or has been broken for months.

 

If you are listening, R*: if someone attacks you while you are in defensive mode, auto aim should immediately be enabled so you can quickly retaliate. AT THE VERY LEAST.

[jackedbanan]

fellas I think you overestimate what "mental situation" these griefing players might be in. ninety nine percent of them are just normal lads

on the other hand though, if you want to be a real outlaw and go after people's hard earned cash and valuable time, such as trader and moonshine sales, there should be more penalty (losing much more cash instead of losing gold) on you. in 1899 outlaws were galore probably but law too

[IamCourtney]

I half-believe that the sort of people who really are griefing, as in attacking with the primary aim of making you feel bad rather than just for some action, have some way of sussing out good targets, ie. people who don't want to and/or aren't good at fighting back. I have a friend I play with on the regular who falls under that category and 9 times outta 10, if something's gonna pop off, he'll be the first one shot, even if I'm right beside him. I generally enjoy a good rumble and can hold my own against most comers, not trying to boast but I'm just not easy prey like he is. Maybe it's just coincidence and I'm seeing patterns where none exist but I don't know how to account for it. We're both lvl 300+, usually together in a posse, almost always in offensive mode, there've been numerous occasions where a player we've passed lets me go by and then blows him away a little ways down the road and I just can't figure out why it happens this way.

[GrungeNinja]

I have a friend that is someone you would call a totally lunatic because of  his behavior in Gtao and now in Rdo.

 

And he is just a normal fella, has his IT work, lives with his girl who will soon marry, we barbecue together at the weekends and play some rock in a band.

 

Besides all that, when we meet in Gtao or Rdo, I kind need to hold and police him everytime, mainly in Rdo because I only attack other players when they shoot first, assassination missions or bounty. 
 

His main game is CS, so that may show his inclination for a more frequent pvp action when seeing other players, I asked him why he feels the urge to shoot everyone since this is not the main goal in a sandbox, different from games like CS, CoD and BF, he said to me “I know this upset ppl, they don’t want to get attacked,

but its fps videogame ,its mean to have fun, thats fun to me, I want to do things I don’t at real life, Im already a normal guy in real life, so playing like a normal person in a virtual world does not appeal to me, they can go away easly, ppl are not trapped by others in a videogame, no one can force you, if I am a nuisance, just go away”.

 

 This may sound rude, but its the truth, griefing alone really shouldnt have all the blame, because in the first place, a developer that creates a world of crime, it is expected that there will be confronts between the players that choose this environment.

 

So, either accept the way it is or just let it go and find your own truly fun somewhere else. I believe with time there wil be “the perfect” game for everyone. Rdo it is not for me, but yet It can entertain me, and if there were no griefers to fight with, then I would never started to play it, I know where I was comming and what to expect. 
 

I just wish actions against modding and hacking were severe and have a proper anti-cheat, it is disgusting to see such a beatiful game plagued with the worst disease let free purposely to induce gold and shark cards selling. Other companies can make it with a more honest way, I wonder why R* won’t.

Edited December 19, 2020 by GrungeNinja

[roggek]

18 minutes ago, GrungeNinja said:

I have a friend that is someone you would call a totally lunatic because of  his behavior in Gtao and now in Rdo.

 

And he is just a normal fella, has his IT work, lives with his girl who will soon marry, we barbecue together at the weekends and play some rock in a band.

 

Besides all that, when we meet in Gtao or Rdo, I kind need to hold and police him everytime, mainly in Rdo because I only attack other players when they shoot first, assassination missions or bounty. 
 

His main game is CS, so that may show his inclination for a more frequent pvp action when seeing other players, I asked him why he feels the urge to shoot everyone since this is not the main goal in a sandbox, different from games like CS, CoD and BF, he said to me “I know this upset ppl, they don’t want to get attacked,

but its fps videogame ,its mean to have fun, thats fun to me, I want to do things I don’t at real life, Im already a normal guy in real life, so playing like a normal person in a virtual world does not appeal to me, they can go away easly, ppl are not trapped by others in a videogame, no one can force you, if I am a nuisance, just go away”.

 

 This may sound rude, but its the truth, griefing alone really shouldnt have all the blame, because in the first place, a developer that creates a world of crime, it is expected that there will be confronts between the players that choose this environment.

 

So, either accept the way it is or just let it go and find your own truly fun somewhere else. I believe with time there wil be “the perfect” game for everyone. Rdo it is not for me, but yet It can entertain me, and if there were no griefers to fight with, then I would never started to play it, I know where I was comming and what to expect. 
 

I just wish actions against modding and hacking were severe and have a proper anti-cheat, it is disgusting to see such a beatiful game plagued with the worst disease let free purposely to induce gold and shark cards selling. Other companies can make it with a more honest way, I wonder why R* won’t.

 

 

Define the word "normal".
It doesn't exist in this world, everything would be perfect then...

[GrungeNinja]

50 minutes ago, roggek said:

 

 

Define the word "normal".
It doesn't exist in this world, everything would be perfect then...

Normal social behavior, live the standards of modern society, talk to ppl with respect, work, pay the bills, you know, the “normal” stuff.

 

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/normal

Edited December 19, 2020 by GrungeNinja

[StyxTx]

3 hours ago, IamCourtney said:

I half-believe that the sort of people who really are griefing, as in attacking with the primary aim of making you feel bad rather than just for some action, have some way of sussing out good targets, ie. people who don't want to and/or aren't good at fighting back. I have a friend I play with on the regular who falls under that category and 9 times outta 10, if something's gonna pop off, he'll be the first one shot, even if I'm right beside him. I generally enjoy a good rumble and can hold my own against most comers, not trying to boast but I'm just not easy prey like he is. Maybe it's just coincidence and I'm seeing patterns where none exist but I don't know how to account for it. We're both lvl 300+, usually together in a posse, almost always in offensive mode, there've been numerous occasions where a player we've passed lets me go by and then blows him away a little ways down the road and I just can't figure out why it happens this way.

How is he dressed?

 

Edited December 19, 2020 by StyxTx

[GrungeNinja]

41 minutes ago, StyxTx said:

Well, the idea that I should have to go away because he feels he owns that lobby is a crappy attitude. I mean, who does he think he is? What an egotist. I assume he is an autoaimer too. Big man. There are shootouts and things that are part of the game that are fine, if someone chooses to be part of it. But to come into a game solely for the purpose of "upsetting" people and causing them to "go away", that's the definition an asshole. That is not a "normal" person's way of thinking. There are lots of "normal" people who ended off killing someone IRL.

 

I'd still like to know why they don't use free aim to prove how big and bad they are. Well actually I know the answer.

 Is he egoist because he wants to play the game his way? I mean, in this line of thinkint we’re all egoists because we play the way it fits for us the most. One thing I am against it is to play in a way the game was not intended (mods&hacks), now if someone wants to be a jerk, they have all the right to be because they’re just playing the way it was design to be, it is even fun, because you can fight this ppl adding the element of surprise. Showdowns are not the same as world pvp.

 

The “go away” is an option, I think you got it wrong, hes not making you go away, you go if you choose to. The same as we already do changing sessions. And he plays on pc, so no autoaim.

 

Edited December 19, 2020 by GrungeNinja

[StyxTx]

24 minutes ago, GrungeNinja said:

 Is he egoist because he wants to play the game his way? I mean, in this line of thinkint we’re all egoists because we play the way it fits for us the most. One thing I am against it is to play in a way the game was not intended (mods&hacks), now if someone wants to be a jerk, they have all the right to be because they’re just playing the way it was design to be, it is even fun, because you can fight this ppl adding the element of surprise. Showdowns are not the same as world pvp.

 

The “go away” is an option, I think you got it wrong, hes not making you go away, you go if you choose to. The same as we already do changing sessions. And he plays on pc, so no autoaim.

 

If playing "his way" means forcing others not to be able to play "their way", yes that is egotistical. Who is he to decide that someone else has to be f*cked with? No one has the right to force themselves on others who have no desire to be around them. If I'm in defensive, that's a pretty good sign I want nothing to do with others so just stay the f*ck away. No fuss, no muss.

 

All these "excuses" and "defenses" people come up with for griefing are a crock of sh*t. Those people are just assholes. If all they have to do in life is go into a game to f*ck with people, they are sad assholes at that.

Edited December 19, 2020 by StyxTx

[kcole4001]

2 hours ago, GrungeNinja said:

....
 

His main game is CS, so that may show his inclination for a more frequent pvp action when seeing other players, I asked him why he feels the urge to shoot everyone since this is not the main goal in a sandbox, different from games like CS, CoD and BF, he said to me “I know this upset ppl, they don’t want to get attacked,

but its fps videogame,its mean to have fun, thats fun to me, ....

 

 

It may be fun to him, but it's meant to be at the exclusion of someone else's fun.

Why does he have the right to his idea of fun which is admittedly by disrupting other's enjoyment of the game, while his target has no rights?

It's not normal acceptable behaviour to walk into an area and say 'this is mine, all of you go away or else'.

Remember, just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD do something or that it is right.

 

It's arrogant and selfish.

 

25 minutes ago, GrungeNinja said:

 ..... And he plays on pc, so no autoaim.

 

Is his player name Egils6?

Edited December 19, 2020 by kcole4001
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[GrungeNinja]

10 minutes ago, StyxTx said:

If playing "his way" means forcing others not to be able to play "their way", yes that is egotistical.

Why do you think hes “forcing” others to not play their way?  If the game allows pvp hes doing no wrong. Either you repel him or just “go away”.

Edited December 19, 2020 by GrungeNinja

[StyxTx]

8 minutes ago, GrungeNinja said:

Why do you think hes “forcing” others to not play their way?  If the game allows pvp hes doing no wrong. 

So you're saying others play the game to have to deal with assholes? I don't know about anyone else, but that is not among the top things on my list of why I play a game. So when I have to stop and deal with a jerk or change servers, that's not playing my way. Then take into account that not everyone has endless amounts of time to play, so they have to waste some of that limited time dealing with morons. It's ok for the assholes to play their way but not ok for others to tell them to f*ck off so they can play their way. I get it.

 

As I said in another post, a car "allows" you to run into a crowd of people and kill them all. We're "allowed" to go out and buy a gun so we can kill people. That's doesn't mean it's not wrong. Sorry, but that is no excuse for him. There is a difference between pvp and going into a game to target other players for no reason at all.

Edited December 19, 2020 by StyxTx

[kcole4001]

1 minute ago, GrungeNinja said:

Why do you think hes “forcing” others to not play their way?  If the game allows pvp hes doing no wrong. 

 

2 hours ago, GrungeNinja said:

.... he said to me “I know this upset ppl, they don’t want to get attacked,

....

The second quote is why.

[GrungeNinja]

3 minutes ago, kcole4001 said:

 

 

It may be fun to him, but it's meant to be at the exclusion of someone else's fun.

Why does he have the right to his idea of fun which is admittedly by disrupting other's enjoyment of the game, while his target has no rights?

It's not normal acceptable behaviour to walk into an area and say 'this is mine, all of you go away or else'.

Remember, just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD do something or that it is right.

 

It's arrogant and selfish.

 

Is his player name Egils6?

I agree it is an arrogant and hostile approach, but isnt that all pvp games? You said it right that is his fun, and I think thats all that matters to him, you find fun helping ppl out, I find fighting griefers (fun while we’re talking about my griefer friend lol) , so I guess while hes relaxing at his chair going crazy in the game, another one who was doing their thing should just roll eyes and swich sessions or parley.

 

Its all about understanding that ALWAYS there will be the bad ppl, no matter where, and in the Internet, online games? Rah, even on coop games that have group events has its interaction problems, you can see by the lassoing and all ways ppl can find to disrupt the general gameplay.

[kcole4001]

Just now, GrungeNinja said:

I agree it is an arrogant and hostile approach, but isnt that all pvp games? You said it right that is his fun, and I think thats all that matters to him, you find fun helping ppl out, I find fighting griefers (fun while we’re talking about my griefer friend lol) , so I guess while hes relaxing at his chair going crazy in the game, another one who was doing their thing should just roll eyes and swich sessions or parley.

 

Its all about understanding that ALWAYS there will be the bad ppl, no matter where, and in the Internet, online games? Rah, even on coop games that have group events has its interaction problems, you can see by the lassoing and all ways ppl can find to disrupt the general gameplay.

At least you understand and accept that it's bad behaviour (not saying you do it yourself, either).

I respect that, seriously.

 

Most will just offer the same old tired excuses for it and not own it.

 

My point is that it's unfair to bully other players into having to change their play to suit someone else.

It may sound like whining to some, but it's not, it's just part of the way I am, I can't always claim to be considerate, but I do try.

I am Canadian, after all.  

 

To be quite honest griefing isn't all that common, I think the pace and lack of explosive missiles like GTA bores them quickly.

Cheating is by far the worse cancer eating this game, and that's not a term I use lightly.

And cheating is a form of griefing, no one can deny that.

[StyxTx]

Let's take the argument that griefing is allowed in the game so that makes it ok. By that same line of thinking, modders and hackers are allowed by the game, not the developers but by the game, so what they do is ok also. Modding and hacking is just another form of griefing although a bit more egregious since you can't defend yourself.

15 minutes ago, GrungeNinja said:

I agree it is an arrogant and hostile approach, but isnt that all pvp games? You said it right that is his fun, and I think thats all that matters to him, you find fun helping ppl out, I find fighting griefers (fun while we’re talking about my griefer friend lol) , so I guess while hes relaxing at his chair going crazy in the game, another one who was doing their thing should just roll eyes and swich sessions or parley.

 

Its all about understanding that ALWAYS there will be the bad ppl, no matter where, and in the Internet, online games? Rah, even on coop games that have group events has its interaction problems, you can see by the lassoing and all ways ppl can find to disrupt the general gameplay.

I realize those people will always be there but I'm really fed up with apologists for it. Not saying you're an apologist but there are plenty.

Edited December 19, 2020 by StyxTx

[GrungeNinja]

45 minutes ago, StyxTx said:

So you're saying others play the game to have to deal with assholes? I don't know about anyone else, but that is not among the top things on my list of why I play a game. So when I have to stop and deal with a jerk or change servers, that's not playing my way. Then take into account that not everyone has endless amounts of time to play, so they have to waste some of that limited time dealing with morons. It's ok for the assholes to play their way but not ok for others to tell them to f*ck off so they can play their way. I get it.

 

As I said in another post, a car allows you to run into a crowd of people and kill them all. We're allowed to go out and buy a gun so we can kill people. That's doesn't mean it's not wrong. Sorry, but that is no excuse for him. There is a difference between pvp and going into a game to target other players for no reason at all.

If you dont want to deal with ppl interrupting your gameplay you should consider not playing a pvp game because that will happen til it exists. Driving a car at a crowd IRL is very different than killing someone in a video game. 

31 minutes ago, kcole4001 said:

At least you understand and accept that it's bad behaviour (not saying you do it yourself, either).

I respect that, seriously.

 

Most will just offer the same old tired excuses for it and not own it.

 

My point is that it's unfair to bully other players into having to change their play to suit someone else.

It may sound like whining to some, but it's not, it's just part of the way I am, I can't always claim to be considerate, but I do try.

I am Canadian, after all.  

 

To be quite honest griefing isn't all that common, I think the pace and lack of explosive missiles like GTA bores them quickly.

Cheating is by far the worse cancer eating this game, and that's not a term I use lightly.

And cheating is a form of griefing, no one can deny that.

Yes, Rdo is heaven compared to Gtao lol. To me, griefing isnt really a problem because my fun is fighting them, I understand you guys that despises it, thats why solo lobbies is a must indeed. (or no blips on the radar)

 

25 minutes ago, StyxTx said:

I realize those people will always be there but I'm really fed up with apologists for it. Not saying you're an apologist but there are plenty.

Sure, understandable, all that I said is because I know him IRL, so the actions in the game does not fit his real person, so I guess most griefers are “normal” ppl.

Edited December 20, 2020 by GrungeNinja

[GrungeNinja]

48 minutes ago, kcole4001 said:

Is his player name Egils6?

Sry, missed that, no his socialclub is Guibasser If I remember correctly.

[zPhoenix]

33 minutes ago, GrungeNinja said:

I agree it is an arrogant and hostile approach, but isnt that all pvp games?

 

 

That right there might be the problem.  You and others think of this game as PvP, but it isn't.  RDO is a hybrid of PvE and PvP modes set in the same world. 

• For those that want PvE the game is designed to let them do PvE with minor exceptions like when a particular mission injects a moderate amount of PvP behavior (when other players can attack you). That is what Defensive mode is for... in theory.
• For those that want PvP there are a plethora of PvP events and you can set yourself to Offensive mode so that you can have PvP even in free roaming.

 

The problem is that the game is buggy and leaks PvP into Defensive mode when it seems to not be intended, for example:

• Quite a few missions take you from Defensive to Offensive mode.  You don't *have* to play them, but if you do then you are correctly accepting the possibility of PvP intrusions during the mission.  The problem is that most of the time the game fails to return you to Defensive mode after the mission.  Stranger missions seem to be the most broken in this regard.  You can still do it manually, but you have to remember.
• There are weapons that are bugged and allow damage to people in free roam Defensive mode.  For example, I was doing some collecting today and some jerks hit me with explosives, then they immediately run away.  I could not even get their names fast enough to report them.

[Lonely-Martin]

Having read some strong comments, I can't sign off on griefers having mental issues, lol. That's a bit strong for me. Admittedly I do joke that they get a stiffy from it, but I know that for most it is just sh*ts and giggles and that's it.

 

I'll never buy the whole 'it's a challenge' to sucker punch an unsuspecting player fishing, nor the whole 'fish in a barrel' aspect to destroying lone players' product. Neither are a challenge, lol. It's just weak and there's no getting around that. Definitely don't buy that we can't tell intent when with some it's so blatantly obvious. Sheeeiiiitttt, you can hear it on the mic or read it in the fruity messages, lol. With some, those that are keen to let others know their intentions, there's no mistakes or assumptions to make.

 

I have a few guys on my friends list that are awesome teammates for heisting and other co-op aspects that they're very kind, helpful, and respectful. Genuine and really great people, but they do enjoy a bit of the dark side too. I don't or wouldn't join them, and they respect it's not for me as I get my kicks elsewhere to let off steam.

 

I mean, I'm sure there's some nutcases out there of course, gaming takes all kinds. But it's too general for me to call all that grief mental over it. I know for sure that many are just blowing off steam and when it comes to Monday morning, it's back to work or school and life's responsibilities.

 

It's just a shame the 2 playstyles conflict so much and will never co-exist and that R* are keen to enable it to happen, especially after acknowledging the potential and seeing what GTA:O became. PvE stiffled, PvPers called griefers (or even mental). It's just ridiculous really. It takes away from both playstyles and only see's the griefers get what they want, a mess.

 

It's all avoidable and there's room for both healthy PvP and PvE in a game like this.

[Direwrath]

6 hours ago, IamCourtney said:

I half-believe that the sort of people who really are griefing, as in attacking with the primary aim of making you feel bad rather than just for some action, have some way of sussing out good targets, ie. people who don't want to and/or aren't good at fighting back. I have a friend I play with on the regular who falls under that category and 9 times outta 10, if something's gonna pop off, he'll be the first one shot, even if I'm right beside him. I generally enjoy a good rumble and can hold my own against most comers, not trying to boast but I'm just not easy prey like he is. Maybe it's just coincidence and I'm seeing patterns where none exist but I don't know how to account for it. We're both lvl 300+, usually together in a posse, almost always in offensive mode, there've been numerous occasions where a player we've passed lets me go by and then blows him away a little ways down the road and I just can't figure out why it happens this way.

This used to happen all of the time when I would play with my daughter. She could wander into a crowd of players and not have one shot fired at her, I try to follow her and I'd get lit up. She plays a female character and really works on making her look cute and well my guy is, well what he is. Maybe that was the reason behind their discretion? Don't shoot the cute girl let's target the blond pretty boy that she's with.

 

 

1 hour ago, GrungeNinja said:

Sure, understandable, all that I said is because I know him IRL, so the actions in the game does not fit his real person, so I guess most griefers are “normal” ppl.

The way I look at it is would I feel right doing that to someone? 

Would I feel good attacking someone in this game for the kicks if I knew that the person had just lost someone that they loved and were playing to take their mind away from the pain? It isn't just a game when you are being targeted for no reason and the play becomes stressful because of another player. 

The game is supposed to be enjoyable, and there are players that enjoy being left alone. Their joy is not to be negated because someone thinks it's funny to disrupt their peace.

 

I will always think of the fact that those are not just randomly generated characters without emotion behind them. Every character has a person behind them, a living, breathing human being. It just doesn't feel right for me to hurt someone, or aggravate someone that I do not even know, and who is not hurting anyone else in game.

But if they shoot at me or someone I am with they have shown their colors and I will retaliate in kind. 

 

Unfortunately we are all forced to play together, hopefully that will change

 

38 minutes ago, zPhoenix said:

That right there might be the problem.  You and others think of this game as PvP, but it isn't.  RDO is a hybrid of PvE and PvP modes set in the same world. 

• For those that want PvE the game is designed to let them do PvE with minor exceptions like when a particular mission injects a moderate amount of PvP behavior (when other players can attack you). That is what Defensive mode is for... in theory.
• For those that want PvP there are a plethora of PvP events and you can set yourself to Offensive mode so that you can have PvP even in free roaming.

 

The problem is that the game is buggy and leaks PvP into Defensive mode when it seems to not be intended, for example:

• Quite a few missions take you from Defensive to Offensive mode.  You don't *have* to play them, but if you do then you are correctly accepting the possibility of PvP intrusions during the mission.  The problem is that most of the time the game fails to return you to Defensive mode after the mission.  Stranger missions seem to be the most broken in this regard.  You can still do it manually, but you have to remember.
• There are weapons that are bugged and allow damage to people in free roam Defensive mode.  For example, I was doing some collecting today and some jerks hit me with explosives, then they immediately run away.  I could not even get their names fast enough to report them.

 R* made it so that the PVP modes are not technically that much fun and are not at all what PVP players are actually looking for. Whether it was done that way on purpose remains to be seen.

 

 

Edited December 20, 2020 by Direwrath

[kcole4001]

1 hour ago, GrungeNinja said:

Sry, missed that, no his socialclub is Guibasser If I remember correctly.

OK, thanks, thought maybe I'd run into him, but no.

The one I named I've encountered multiple times, and it was clear griefing each time.

 

 

52 minutes ago, Lonely-Martin said:

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 I can't sign off on griefers having mental issues...

 

It's just a shame the 2 playstyles conflict so much and will never co-exist and that R* are keen to enable it to happen, especially after acknowledging the potential and seeing what GTA:O became. PvE stiffled, PvPers called griefers (or even mental). It's just ridiculous really. It takes away from both playstyles and only see's the griefers get what they want, a mess.

 

It's all avoidable and there's room for both healthy PvP and PvE in a game like this.

That's the main issue, greedstar clearly doesn't have the faintest clue what to do to please players, or if they do they're intentionally going in the opposite direction while hedging by including broken half measures so they can lie and say they tried.

 

When players start following specific other players then there's definitely something wrong there, not to mention being a violation of the TOS, and when ddos attacks result, becomes an indictable offence.

These incidents are not unknown, some are quite well publicized, yet greedstar does nothing to prevent them.

Banning them after the fact, if it even happens, is not prevention.

 

That could be construed as encouragement, since it's widely known that cheaters can operate for long periods of time if they're careful, sometimes even when they're not careful and get publicly called out and reported multiple times apparently.

Following one particular person and booting them every day for a month doesn't sound like a very stable person.

[StyxTx]

2 hours ago, GrungeNinja said:

If you dont want to deal with ppl interrupting your gameplay you should consider not playing a pvp game because that will happen til it exists. Driving a car at a crowd IRL is very different than killing someone in a video game. 

 

On the other hand if people just want to f*ck with people in a game maybe they should find another hobby or even a life! It's beyond me why people keep saying that. Basically what you're saying is assholes have more right to be in the game than people who want nothing to do with assholes. Why is it up to us (the majority) to find something else to do? Why is it so hard for the assholes just to stop going after people who are obviously trying to not deal with them, particularly the ones in defensive? But nooooooo, you defensive people should go find another game. BS.

 

The car comment was used to show the ridiculous logic of "it's there so that means we can do it". That logic is a cop out for assholes to use.

Edited December 20, 2020 by StyxTx