thebestdude Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 WHY IS GTA 4 SO POORLY OPTIMIZED ?????, IS THERE A REASON FOR THIS ??????? BECAUSE I REALLY GET PISSED WHEN I STUTTER A LOT IN SOME PLACES LIKE ITS SO ANNOYING. I HAVE A 4GB RAM I3 AND UHD 620 GRAPHICS CARD AND THAT SHOULD ENOUGH TO RUN THE GAME IN MEDIUM TO LOW SETTINGS BUT IT STILL LAGS SO IS THERE ANY FIX FOR THIS NONSENSE ?????? IT WOULD BE BETTER IF THERE IS A GOOD LOOKING GRAPHICS MOD WHICH FIXS THE LAG TOO By the way i lag a lot while driving when i am near little jacobs location after mission crime and punishment not only that, i lag almost everytime while driving Dr Busta 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Dawg Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 The map itself is unoptimized/technical mess, which as a result overloads the CPU.with far too many drawcalls causing subpar performance. There's a guy working on reworking the map (BisonSales @ Project RevIVe) and it's gonna take a while to complete. NightmanCometh96 and thebestdude 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AIcatraz Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 If youre complaining about it on pc... then you arent gonna be happy with the PS3 version, XboX 360 is the only platform that the game was optimized on KGBeast, thebestdude and NightmanCometh96 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitfire_ Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Try DXVK works magic on GTA IV : pcgaming (reddit.com) NightmanCometh96 and thebestdude 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebestdude Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 Yes I am fed up of the PC version of GTA 4. I haven't tried the ps3 version of the game cause i dont have one. i will look into spitfire's link now and see whats it @B Dawg yes i think that is the problem, i also think that it is because the engine might have filled with bugs and thus impacted the game or maybe it is because the game's code has some issue with it Dr Busta 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kubon352 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 2 hours ago, B Dawg said: The map itself is unoptimized/technical mess, which as a result overloads the CPU.with far too many drawcalls causing subpar performance. There's a guy working on reworking the map (BisonSales @ Project RevIVe) and it's gonna take a while to complete. Yeah, but it's with enhanced textures, timecyc, effects, etc., right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebestdude Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 and by the way i am new to GTAFORUMS, so this is very useful to clear my doubts lol so may i know how to reply to a message like how kubigx did ? lol i think i am becoming way too noob and also make sure to follow this content so that rockstar gets pissed and starts working on this issue lol but yah dont forget to do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Dawg Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Kubigz said: Yeah, but it's with enhanced textures, timecyc, effects, etc., right? Yeah, except maybe timecyc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kubon352 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Bummer. I'd like to keep original look of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebestdude Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 34 minutes ago, B Dawg said: Yeah, except maybe timecyc. oh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kubon352 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 5 hours ago, AIcatraz said: If youre complaining about it on pc... then you arent gonna be happy with the PS3 version, XboX 360 is the only platform that the game was optimized on Also, not perfect. I remember GTA V ran better than GTA IV on my old X360. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishRye Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 bc [This post has been flagged and will be monitored] magic, can't really do sh*t about that except downgrading, back in the days the 1.0.4.0 version was the best performing one, but now the 1.0.8.0 doesn't have windows live so i dont really know if there is any pros in performance from downgrading right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Dawg Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 12 minutes ago, RuskiChleb said: but now the 1.0.8.0 doesn't have windows live Where'd you get that from lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artist Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 19 hours ago, B Dawg said: The map itself is unoptimized/technical mess, which as a result overloads the CPU.with far too many drawcalls causing subpar performance. There's a guy working on reworking the map (BisonSales @ Project RevIVe) and it's gonna take a while to complete. How long will it take Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kubon352 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 16 hours ago, RuskiChleb said: 1.0.8.0 doesn't have windows live Of course, it has. It's still functional and can be used to play Multiplayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebestdude Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 ok, but are there any ways to fix that issue ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Dawg Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 8 hours ago, StuntMaster100 said: How long will it take Probably a year or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant_sh Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 16 hours ago, thebestdude said: ok, but are there any ways to fix that issue ? You are trying to run the game on Intel UHD and complaining? Get a decent GPU, most of the stuttering problems are solved by using an alternative renderer. Try DXVK link above (UHD supports Vulkan) or something from here https://ant-sh.blogspot.com/2020/07/gta-4-stutter-choppiness-fix.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123tm123 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 On 12/3/2020 at 4:32 AM, B Dawg said: The map itself is unoptimized/technical mess, which as a result overloads the CPU.with far too many drawcalls causing subpar performance. There's a guy working on reworking the map (BisonSales @ Project RevIVe) and it's gonna take a while to complete. Actually the map isn't the reason because if you do a 1:1 conversion to GTA V it renders smoothly. It goes much deeper than that, after some reverse engineering people noticed the render pipeline was written too synchronously and it bogs down the game when too much starts happening. GTA V has things happen asynchronously to the render, GTA IV doesn't. It ran like sh*t on the PS3, it ran like sh*t on the XBOX 360, and it runs like sh*t on the PC. I wish people would stop saying it's a bad port, it's just badly made from the start. A proper technical remake is needed. But it's perfectly excusable because it gets the job done. New top of the line engine and the game had to be made in just a few years. This was 2008, tech wasn't that advanced nor were the people that experienced. After all GTA IV was meant to debut on the same engine as GTA San Andreas as hinted by some left overs. MrsRackman, The Detective and Jigglyass 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yinepi Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 What left overs exactly? The dodo and androm handling lines? Or the fact Previon car is listed in the GXT entries? Those only prove that rockstar may have planned to have airplanes and the previon but scrapped them. Just like they scrapped the rhino from TLAD if the vehicle offset .csv is anything to go by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Busta Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Man that sh*t really sucks My cousin wanted to try a GTA game so I told him play 4 you'll like it it's different and fun probably the best so you don't have to be familiar with the series to enjoy it After buying it the guy couldn't stand five minutes playing it and uninstalled it after doing one mission The greatest thing about GTA 4 is that it equals between poor and rich It sucks on both's PCs Lioshenka 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioshenka Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) Rockstar in 2008 "I guess you are not ready for this yet... but your kids are going to love it". It was so incredibly slow back on 2008 hardware. Fan fact: I am yet to see a video without lags of a cutscene, where Niko leaves the block of flats where the Latin American lady lives (Elizabeta, I think), and I think he walks with Paki or Jacob down the path, and the camera pans down on them. This was such a badly optimised cutscene, I thought it was my computer until I saw the other people's recordings. Edited December 5, 2020 by Lioshenka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant_sh Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 10 hours ago, Lioshenka said: I am yet to see a video without lags of a cutscene, where Niko leaves the block of flats where the Latin American lady lives (Elizabeta, I think), and I think he walks with Paki or Jacob down the path, and the camera pans down on them. This was such a badly optimised cutscene, I thought it was my computer until I saw the other people's recordings. Well, check this out if it is smooth enough for you, it sure is for me. https://youtu.be/WcTZ6kekEWQ 1.0.4.0 on Rx580 + DXVK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebestdude Posted December 6, 2020 Author Share Posted December 6, 2020 (edited) On 12/5/2020 at 10:12 AM, ant_sh said: You are trying to run the game on Intel UHD and complaining? Get a decent GPU, most of the stuttering problems are solved by using an alternative renderer. Try DXVK link above (UHD supports Vulkan) or something from here https://ant-sh.blogspot.com/2020/07/gta-4-stutter-choppiness-fix.html umm, but i think for a 2008 game, this hardware should be enough right ? because i mentioned i dont lag at all places...... by the way i have founded a mod called reality which might fix the lag, so i will check it out Edited December 6, 2020 by thebestdude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant_sh Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 18 hours ago, thebestdude said: for a 2008 game, this hardware should be enough right ? because i mentioned i dont lag at all places...... by the way i have founded a mod called reality which might fix the lag, so i will check it out Well it should be enough theoretically, but UHD 620 overall performs worse than 9800gt practically https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GeForce-9800-GT-vs-Intel-UHD-Graphics-620-Mobile-Kaby-Lake-R/m7716vsm320744 Try DXVK and see if you can run vanilla 1.0.x.0 with decent fps first. While you use slower GPU/renderer no mod will help you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebestdude Posted December 7, 2020 Author Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 hour ago, ant_sh said: Well it should be enough theoretically, but UHD 620 overall performs worse than 9800gt practically https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GeForce-9800-GT-vs-Intel-UHD-Graphics-620-Mobile-Kaby-Lake-R/m7716vsm320744 Try DXVK and see if you can run vanilla 1.0.x.0 with decent fps first. While you use slower GPU/renderer no mod will help you. ohhhh, how much is the nvidia 9800gt, and can it run games good ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant_sh Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 36 minutes ago, thebestdude said: how much is the nvidia 9800gt, and can it run games good ? You do not want 9800gt as it does not support DX11 and hence can not run modern games. I used 9800gt as an example to show you that even older generation GPU performs better than iGPU. What about DXVK? Does it work at all with your Intel UHD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebestdude Posted December 7, 2020 Author Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 hour ago, ant_sh said: You do not want 9800gt as it does not support DX11 and hence can not run modern games. I used 9800gt as an example to show you that even older generation GPU performs better than iGPU. What about DXVK? Does it work at all with your Intel UHD? but isnt dxvk for linux ? and i havent tried it cause i never heard of this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant_sh Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 hour ago, thebestdude said: but isnt dxvk for linux ? and i havent tried it cause i never heard of this one It works on Windows, check the stutter fix guide link I posted above. I cannot test it on Intel UHD as I don't have it, it may work with latest Intel drivers https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/intel-hd-graphics-driver-download-4590.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebestdude Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 19 hours ago, ant_sh said: It works on Windows, check the stutter fix guide link I posted above. I cannot test it on Intel UHD as I don't have it, it may work with latest Intel drivers https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/intel-hd-graphics-driver-download-4590.html Ok, I will look forward to this, can you send me a video on how to install this ? I am also trying the reality mod today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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