Rockstars failure gets media attention (Dec1,2020)

[Gray-Hand]

Speaking as a whale ...

 

The strategy isn’t going to work.  I have dropped hundreds of dollars on GTA over the years, but that was to buy stuff like a big gigantic killing vehicle that was fun to play with.

 

RDO just doesn’t have anything worth paying real money for, or at least certainly not what they are charging in the most recent update. How much real  money would that eyepatch, those rings or that LeMat skin cost?  I can’t even really see them while I’m playing!

[RyuNova]

5 hours ago, Krommer said:

They are ignorant, though, that type of person doesn't play this

 

That's exactly the issue.

They want it to be GTAO 2.0, they want it to rake in the same kind of cash but it won't. The genre attracts a different kind of clientele, a more laid back player instead of the instant gratification player base that GTAO has. The fact that people would rather grind out hundreds of GB's instead of buy them and do so happily is testament to that.

 

I dont understand why instead of putting out content to get people to spend the Gold they are hoarding they just decide to cut off the reason people play. If they intend to change the system so that high level Roles payout the best money then announce it.

[RyuNova]

2 hours ago, CaliMeatWagon said:

You are wrong.  

 

I doubt that but I will play with you.

Explain to me then, why all the content is aimed towards children? If people have enough money to be "whales" then we can also assume they have the skill or mental facilities to hold down good paying jobs or incomes thus they are not children so why is the content aimed towards children? If you seriously think that, for example, a few hundred whales paying a hundred dollars each DLC equates to anywhere near the, for example, thousands upon thousands of people spending ten dollars repeatedly then I dont know what to tell you.

 

Take Xbox Game Pass for example, you think MS wants people spending sixty dollars per year on one game or ten dollars each month all year?

 

2 hours ago, CaliMeatWagon said:

Also, I really like your elitist, victim attitude. It's real charming. 
"I'm better than these people, Rockstar is just doing it to target me..."

 

You speak of me being an "elitist" while looking down your nose at me and all the other people just on this forum who have the same thoughts. When the thoughts are almost unanimously echoed across the entire community it's not a "victim complex" it's the truth. 

 

Take a long, hard look at yourself my friend.

Edited December 3, 2020 by RyuNova

[Lonely-Martin]

3 hours ago, CaliMeatWagon said:

You are wrong.  

I'd say it's more that both you and @RyuNova are right, lol.

 

R*/T2 want money, and however they can get it is all the focus. Be it a whale sinking in hundreds per quarter or the last of a kids pocket money each week. They aren't fussy either way.

[Gettin up]

15 hours ago, Pocket Fox said:

I don't have to play a Western game when other developers are making high quality products and listen to their consumer base, so I'm perfectly happy to drop RDO entirely and play Cyberpunk and other new games instead.

I'm going to play Cyberpunk as well, but first I need to get my new PC delivered and the game released, of course.

Might even go back to GTA Online to see the new island... Haven't touched GTAO since September 2019.



 

[CaliMeatWagon]

10 hours ago, RyuNova said:

 

I doubt that but I will play with you.

Explain to me then, why all the content is aimed towards children? If people have enough money to be "whales" then we can also assume they have the skill or mental facilities to hold down good paying jobs or incomes thus they are not children so why is the content aimed towards children? If you seriously think that, for example, a few hundred whales paying a hundred dollars each DLC equates to anywhere near the, for example, thousands upon thousands of people spending ten dollars repeatedly then I dont know what to tell you.

 

Take Xbox Game Pass for example, you think MS wants people spending sixty dollars per year on one game or ten dollars each month all year?

 

 

You speak of me being an "elitist" while looking down your nose at me and all the other people just on this forum who have the same thoughts. When the thoughts are almost unanimously echoed across the entire community it's not a "victim complex" it's the truth. 

 

Take a long, hard look at yourself my friend.

The "kids" you think are being pandered to are adults now. The average age of gamers is 34 years old, with 72% being over the age of 18 and 18-49 year old making up ~49% of all gamers. This age range is mostly Millennials. Millennials are the ones outspending any other demographic in video games. And Millennials, who are now in their 30's, are averaging incomes in the $60K range, and spend on average ~$120 a month on games. More than Gen Z or Gen X. And this is according to Nielson Media Reports. A group who makes reports based on empirical evidence, not the feelings of people on a community forum. The same community that "echoes" the idea we were promised mansions.
And if you think these things are childish, well I'm sorry to break it too you, but millennials are into childish things. Just look at the popularity of adult cartoons for an a perfect example of this. 

 

9 hours ago, Lonely-Martin said:

I'd say it's more that both you and @RyuNova are right, lol.

 

R*/T2 want money, and however they can get it is all the focus. Be it a whale sinking in hundreds per quarter or the last of a kids pocket money each week. They aren't fussy either way.

Yeah, I'm sure they don't care where the money is coming from, but they know who the spenders are, and that's who they are attempting to target. This is backed up by empirical evidence. Nielson Media, Pew Research and the Entertainment Software Association have all done multiple studies on this. 

Edited December 3, 2020 by CaliMeatWagon

[kcole4001]

10 hours ago, Gray-Hand said:

Speaking as a whale ...

 

The strategy isn’t going to work.  I have dropped hundreds of dollars on GTA over the years, but that was to buy stuff like a big gigantic killing vehicle that was fun to play with.

 

RDO just doesn’t have anything worth paying real money for, or at least certainly not what they are charging in the most recent update. How much real  money would that eyepatch, those rings or that LeMat skin cost?  I can’t even really see them while I’m playing!

This is the main sticking point with their monetization strategy: they haven't released anything worth buying.

A few cosmetic items, clothes, and a couple of weapon skins is literally it.

 

I'm sure we're all going to be amazed and impressed with their Christmas release. (sarcasm? I'll let the viewer decide)

But until then, what the hell are we supposed to buy? Not to mention a lot of things are just plain broken again.

The key point to selling something is actually having SOMETHING to sell.

I don't understand how they think this will work without creating content, and then content that people actually want, not half-assed cookie cutter cut & paste filler.

[RyuNova]

14 minutes ago, CaliMeatWagon said:

And this is according to Nielson Media Reports.

 

The appeal to authority logical fallacy route? You have had all day since you saw my reply hours ago and that's the best you can come up with?

 

Okay.

[CaliMeatWagon]

1 minute ago, RyuNova said:

 

The appeal to authority logical fallacy route? You have had all day since you saw my reply hours ago and that's the best you can come up with?

 

Okay.

I'm sorry, I'll just take your word over those who have actually studied the topic. Make you feel better? 

Also, I'm sorry for not living and sleeping on the forum, and for not responding to you in a timely enough matter to make you happy. Because that is what matters. 

Now please, ignore facts some more, and complain about my supposed logical fallacies while making an appeal to common knowledge yourself... 

[RyuNova]

33 minutes ago, CaliMeatWagon said:

I'm sorry, I'll just take your word over those who have actually studied the topic. Make you feel better? 

Also, I'm sorry for not living and sleeping on the forum, and for not responding to you in a timely enough matter to make you happy. Because that is what matters. 

Now please, ignore facts some more, and complain about my supposed logical fallacies while making an appeal to common knowledge yourself... 

 

Okay. Just remember, I am not the one who got his back up over someone posting their opinion on the forum.

 

[4eyedcoupe]

Logic tells millennials are parents now and may spend more $ on video games than anyone else because it is for their kids.  I don't know any 8yo's that have a job and their own $ to support their gaming habits.  I play video games, but I have probably spent $150 at MOST this year on myself(I bought F1 2020 and LoU2, that's it), and I know I have spent that or more on my niece in one week.  I know her parents support her gaming habits WAY more than I do lol

[Lonely-Martin]

35 minutes ago, CaliMeatWagon said:

Yeah, I'm sure they don't care where the money is coming from, but they know who the spenders are, and that's who they are attempting to target. This is backed up by empirical evidence. Nielson Media, Pew Research and the Entertainment Software Association have all done multiple studies on this. 

I'm curious if those are worldwide companies doing the research?

 

I ask because I've only heard of the Nielson one and they research American's I thought. But I could be wrong and confusing that company with the one that does TV demographic research in the states as I don't know enough to be fair. If you could source some numbers, I'll take a butcher's though as it's easy to make any claims without them. (Not that I'm making accusations of course, not my intention. I'm genuinely curious).

 

But as you mentioned 30-odd year olds as one key demo above, how many of those have kids and buy their kids gaming content? Surely there's wiggle room in the numbers and that's taken into account given we know kids get their money from their parents/grandparents etc for this sort of stuff too.

 

Though admittedly I did use the term loosely/flipantly, as you said above, most younger adult gamers like childish stuff, so I call 'em kids.

 

As I said, money comes in from both kids (and childish adults) and middle aged folk. You're both right. I never said you was wrong. T2 don't care where so long as it comes. Either way, this latest from R* is utter sh*t and they're so complacent unfortunately. It's a shame is all as people encourage it. 

3 minutes ago, 4eyedcoupe said:

Logic tells millennials are parents now and may spend more $ on video games than anyone else because it is for their kids.  I don't know any 8yo's that have a job and their own $ to support their gaming habits.  I play video games, but I have probably spent $150 at MOST this year on myself(I bought F1 2020 and LoU2, that's it), and I know I have spent that or more on my niece in one week.  I know her parents support her gaming habits WAY more than I do lol

^ exactamundo. I feel this is a very fair point indeed.

[RyuNova]

5 minutes ago, 4eyedcoupe said:

Logic tells millennials are parents now and may spend more $ on video games than anyone else because it is for their kids.  I don't know any 8yo's that have a job and their own $ to support their gaming habits.  I play video games, but I have probably spent $150 at MOST this year on myself(I bought F1 2020 and LoU2, that's it), and I know I have spent that or more on my niece in one week.  I know her parents support her gaming habits WAY more than I do lol

 

Thank you.

[CaliMeatWagon]

25 minutes ago, Lonely-Martin said:

I'm curious if those are worldwide companies doing the research?

 

I ask because I've only heard of the Nielson one and they research American's I thought. But I could be wrong and confusing that company with the one that does TV demographic research in the states as I don't know enough to be fair. If you could source some numbers, I'll take a butcher's though as it's easy to make any claims without them. (Not that I'm making accusations of course, not my intention. I'm genuinely curious).

 

But as you mentioned 30-odd year olds as one key demo above, how many of those have kids and buy their kids gaming content? Surely there's wiggle room in the numbers and that's taken into account given we know kids get their money from their parents/grandparents etc for this sort of stuff too.

 

Though admittedly I did use the term loosely/flipantly, as you said above, most younger adult gamers like childish stuff, so I call 'em kids.

 

As I said, money comes in from both kids (and childish adults) and middle aged folk. You're both right. I never said you was wrong. T2 don't care where so long as it comes. Either way, this latest from R* is utter sh*t and they're so complacent unfortunately. It's a shame is all as people encourage it. 

^ exactamundo. I feel this is a very fair point indeed.

You are probably more familiar with Nielson Media for their work with TV ratings, but according to them they are the "most trusted source for complete consumer intelligence" according to their site. They cover a lot more nowadays. 
I'd have to do go back digging for the studies that the info came from (not easy right now), but here is some of it: https://techjury.net/blog/video-game-demographics/
And you should know by now, I'm not somebody who just makes sh*t up to butter my biscuit. I'm Mr. Spreadsheets. 

 

21 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

Thank you.

Anecdotal evidence Mr. Logical Fallacy. Come on, man... You can't expect to be taken seriously when you screech about others making logical fallacies while making multiple yourself. 

Now, because I don't want you getting upset like you did last time, I'm going to bed. So I won't be responding to you, if I decide to at all, for at least 8 hours. I hope this is okay with you. I wouldn't want to upset you again. 

Edited December 3, 2020 by CaliMeatWagon

[Lonely-Martin]

19 minutes ago, CaliMeatWagon said:

You are probably more familiar with Nielson Media for their work with TV ratings, but according to them they are the "most trusted source for complete consumer intelligence" according to their site. They cover a lot more nowadays. 
I'd have to do go back digging for the studies that the info came from (not easy right now), but here is some of it: https://techjury.net/blog/video-game-demographics/
And you should know by now, I'm not somebody who just makes sh*t up to butter my biscuit. I'm Mr. Spreadsheets. 

Ahh, that's why I asked because I was sure you'd be up for a bit of number crunching, lol. I'm just glad I got the Nielson company part right.

 

But I do genuinely feel the part about parents being the ones classified as buying this stuff but it being for their kids is a valid counter point or could fudge the true numbers a bit. As Christmas is on the horizon, we know gaming companies relish this spell as children often get games/game related stuff, or cash/vouchers to spend on games under the tree. I know I'm just one person, but I have 2 kids and it's either me or the Mrs that's registered as paying for their fun.

 

Not just gaming of course, DVD's, Netflix etc etc - My lad wants the new Assassins Creed which I bought on my card, you know? - I mean, the toy shops could probably bring up the same numbers and say adults buy more toys as they pay for them.

 

Also another point I forgot to mention, which is a bit more controversial. With so many popular games rated 16+ or 18+ out there, and like I do with my lad, many parents put fake ages in so they can play these games too. I know GTA:O doesn't let under 18's into online unless the age is above that rating for example, and that game is so full of younger players.

 

(For anyone keen to have a pop about me letting my lad play, please don't - I'll not change it and it's not worth clogging the discussions, lol, ta).

 

*Edit. Just had a quick glance at that link and it does keep saying 'US gamers/households' etc. I know the US is a huge contributing factor, but UK/Europe and Asia are too of course.

Edited December 3, 2020 by Lonely-Martin

[RyuNova]

22 minutes ago, CaliMeatWagon said:

Anecdotal evidence Mr. Logical Fallacy. Come on, man... You can't expect to be taken seriously when you screech about others making logical fallacies while making multiple yourself. 

 

I gave you a way out, one that made it appear you "won" whatever this is but no, you just have to push. I know your type, I see them on place like Reddit all the time, people with an intrinsic need to be right all the time. That's why when challenged, you immediately appealed to the highest authority you could.

 

You should also know that you are not making a good impression. Making stuff up and raving while everyone else is having a calm and rational discussion around you. Not a good look.

 

22 minutes ago, CaliMeatWagon said:

Now, because I don't want you getting upset like you did last time, I'm going to bed. So I won't be responding to you, if I decide to at all, for at least 8 hours. I hope this is okay with you. I wouldn't want to upset you again. 

 

Okay, you should have done that instead of making that post. See you in the morning!

Edited December 3, 2020 by RyuNova

[4eyedcoupe]

11 minutes ago, Lonely-Martin said:

 

Also another point I forgot to mention, which is a bit more controversial. With so many popular games rated 16+ or 18+ out there, and like I do with my lad, many parents put fake ages in so they can play these games too. I know GTA:O doesn't let under 18's into online unless the age is above that rating for example, and that game is so full of younger players.

 

 

^^This too.  I remember being younger and if a website or a game ect asked for my date of birth, I always entered 18 or over.  Honestly, I only started using my real DOB this year because I gave something I streamed(iirc)  a made DOB and when I had to re-enter it as the same user, I was locked out because I couldn't remember what I put the first time lol

 

My niece is a teenager and plays on her fathers old account, and plays GTA as my original two characters on my old account.  That saved me  fortune BTW, because I didn't have to pay for shark cards so she could catch up

Edited December 3, 2020 by 4eyedcoupe

[CaliMeatWagon]

12 minutes ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Ahh, that's why I asked because I was sure you'd be up for a bit of number crunching, lol. I'm just glad I got the Nielson company part right.

 

But I do genuinely feel the part about parents being the ones classified as buying this stuff but it being for their kids is a valid counter point or could fudge the true numbers a bit. As Christmas is on the horizon, we know gaming companies relish this spell as children often get games/game related stuff, or cash/vouchers to spend on games under the tree. I know I'm just one person, but I have 2 kids and it's either me or the Mrs that's registered as paying for their fun.

 

Not just gaming of course, DVD's, Netflix etc etc - My lad wants the new Assassins Creed which I bought on my card, you know? - I mean, the toy shops could probably bring up the same numbers and say adults buy more toys as they pay for them.

 

Also another point I forgot to mention, which is a bit more controversial. With so many popular games rated 16+ or 18+ out there, and like I do with my lad, many parents put fake ages in so they can play these games too. I know GTA:O doesn't let under 18's into online unless the age is above that rating for example, and that game is so full of younger players.

 

(For anyone keen to have a pop about me letting my lad play, please don't - I'll not change it and it's not worth clogging the discussions, lol, ta).

 

*Edit. Just had a quick glance at that link and it does keep saying 'US gamers/households' etc. I know the US is a huge contributing factor, but UK/Europe and Asia are too of course.

Yeah, this data isn't as easy to find as you would think. Comprehensive reports on the topic are being sold for ridiculous amounts.(Like this one going for $3,600 for a single user license PDF: https://www.researchandmarkets.com/reports/5023195/online-microtransaction-global-market-report-2020). 

Everything else has to be gathered piecemeal from multiple studies/reports. That's why I haven't posted all of my sources. It would be too much effort for too little reward, especially when some peoples are so firmly entrenched in their feelings that not even a trip to space could convince them the earth is, in fact, round. 
These types of people are also part of the reason why you only see me around here during the updates. When there is something to spreadsheet. 

 

13 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

 

I gave you a way out, one that made it appear you "won" whatever this is but no, you just have to push. I know your type, I see them on place like Reddit all the time, people with an intrinsic need to be right all the time. That's why when challenged, you immediately appealed to the highest authority you could.

 

You should also know that you are not making a good impression. Making stuff up and raving while everyone else is having a calm and rational discussion around you. Not a good look.

 

 

Okay, you should have done that instead of making that post. See you in the morning!

I'm going to give this the only response it deserves:
LMAO!

Okay, now I'm going to bed. 

[Lonely-Martin]

6 minutes ago, 4eyedcoupe said:

^^This too.  I remember being younger and if a website or a game ect asked for my date of birth, I always entered 18 or over.  Honestly, I only started using my real DOB this year because I gave something I streamed(iirc)  a made DOB and when I had to re-enter it as the same user, I was locked out because I couldn't remember what I put the first time lol

We can do the same on YouTube or R* social to watch the trailers too I believe, it's just so common to fudge the numbers, especially if parents are willing to as well. (Of which I accept me doing so isn't to everyone's taste which I do understand).

 

And further to that, over the last decade we've seen many stories where a parent that wasn't paying attention complain that their child/children have just racked up the bills on a game or elsewhere because the parent left their bank card details linked and find they're now paying for allsorts they really should have kept an eye on to not let happen. Mobile games particularly I believe. Crazy!

[RyuNova]

26 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

I know your type, I see them on place like Reddit all the time, people with an intrinsic need to be right all the time.

 

7 minutes ago, CaliMeatWagon said:

I'm going to give this the only response it deserves:
LMAO!

 

You just proved me right.

[Lonely-Martin]

2 minutes ago, CaliMeatWagon said:

Yeah, this data isn't as easy to find as you would think. Comprehensive reports on the topic are being sold for ridiculous amounts.(Like this one going for $3,600 for a single user license PDF: https://www.researchandmarkets.com/reports/5023195/online-microtransaction-global-market-report-2020). 

Everything else has to be gathered piecemeal from multiple studies/reports. That's why I haven't posted all of my sources. It would be too much effort for too little reward, especially when some peoples are so firmly entrenched in their feelings that not even a trip to space could convince them the earth is, in fact, round. 
These types of people are also part of the reason why you only see me around here during the updates. When there is something to spreadsheet. 

It's cool. I can accept it's a bit of effort for little reward just for here, but as you showed, it's also not too easy to gather the info so I feel there is wiggle room at least. Though again, I've not said you're wrong but more that both you and RyuNova have valid points to it. It's not worth falling out over and certainly don't feel pushed away from these forums either. I do enjoy a meaty topic, lol. Beats just bashing R*.

 

I just feel there is many aspects to it and how the numbers are counted and I'm unsure if the research shows that fully is all as I mentioned in posts above. We know they target whales and I'm convinced many of those are so because they'll buy anything for their kids too and the numbers only reflect back on the adult buying and not the kids playing the content. It's such big business now so interesting to disect. But enjoy ya kip.

[Munt Machine]

just gotta say, props to @CaliMeatWagon for actually doing research on stuff and not just going like "dude trust me everyone knows this" 

[Gray-Hand]

14 hours ago, RyuNova said:

 

I doubt that but I will play with you.

Explain to me then, why all the content is aimed towards children? If people have enough money to be "whales" then we can also assume they have the skill or mental facilities to hold down good paying jobs or incomes thus they are not children so why is the content aimed towards children? If you seriously think that, for example, a few hundred whales paying a hundred dollars each DLC equates to anywhere near the, for example, thousands upon thousands of people spending ten dollars repeatedly then I dont know what to tell you.

 

Take Xbox Game Pass for example, you think MS wants people spending sixty dollars per year on one game or ten dollars each month all year?

 

 

You speak of me being an "elitist" while looking down your nose at me and all the other people just on this forum who have the same thoughts. When the thoughts are almost unanimously echoed across the entire community it's not a "victim complex" it's the truth. 

 

Take a long, hard look at yourself my friend.

Look at the big ticket items in GTAonline:

 

The back to the future delorean (1985 movie).

Knightrider Kitt car (1982-86).

Tim Burton bat mobile (1989).

Knighthawk flying motorcycle (1985).

 

None of them are targeted at teenagers - they are aimed squarely at people in their mid 30’s and older.

 

GTAV wasn’t a game for teenagers.  It was a game about middle aged men for middle aged men.  Just like most of the big AAA games are these days.  That’s why GTAonline is successful. 

[Rev. Gnash]

15 hours ago, RyuNova said:

Explain to me then, why all the content is aimed towards children?

Facts.

[Megadeus]

1 hour ago, Gray-Hand said:

Look at the big ticket items in GTAonline:

 

The back to the future delorean (1985 movie).

Knightrider Kitt car (1982-86).

Tim Burton bat mobile (1989).

Knighthawk flying motorcycle (1985).

 

None of them are targeted at teenagers - they are aimed squarely at people in their mid 30’s and older.

 

GTAV wasn’t a game for teenagers.  It was a game about middle aged men for middle aged men.  Just like most of the big AAA games are these days.  That’s why GTAonline is successful. 

 

 

I dont know too much about GTA online but what on earth has RDO brought to the table that would make Whales want to spend?

 

From what Ive gathered, the money that GTA Whales are spending, is used to buy awesome unique content that speaks to them in some way.

 

Wheres the RDO version of this? I would go full Whale mode for this game if they gave me a reason to... but they haven't. This Read Dead whale theory simply is not adding up. If theyre not targeting millennials then who are they expecting this money to come from?

 

 

 

Edited December 4, 2020 by Megadeus

[darkmaster234]

6 hours ago, Lonely-Martin said:

I'm curious if those are worldwide companies doing the research?

 

I ask because I've only heard of the Nielson one and they research American's I thought. But I could be wrong and confusing that company with the one that does TV demographic research in the states as I don't know enough to be fair. If you could source some numbers, I'll take a butcher's though as it's easy to make any claims without them. (Not that I'm making accusations of course, not my intention. I'm genuinely curious).

 

But as you mentioned 30-odd year olds as one key demo above, how many of those have kids and buy their kids gaming content? Surely there's wiggle room in the numbers and that's taken into account given we know kids get their money from their parents/grandparents etc for this sort of stuff too.

 

Though admittedly I did use the term loosely/flipantly, as you said above, most younger adult gamers like childish stuff, so I call 'em kids.

 

As I said, money comes in from both kids (and childish adults) and middle aged folk. You're both right. I never said you was wrong. T2 don't care where so long as it comes. Either way, this latest from R* is utter sh*t and they're so complacent unfortunately. It's a shame is all as people encourage it. 

^ exactamundo. I feel this is a very fair point indeed.

In my country a gamer older than 30-35 is as rare as a fossil.

[Lonely-Martin]

28 minutes ago, darkmaster234 said:

In my country a gamer older than 30-35 is as rare as a fossil.

As I mentioned above, I don't know the numbers of course. But I'm sure there's many dynamics at work regarding where the money comes from. R* knows this and targets all they can.

 

Makes sense from a business POV to cover all angles, even if it does come at the compromise of the quality of gaming itself. 

 

2 hours ago, Gray-Hand said:

Look at the big ticket items in GTAonline:

 

The back to the future delorean (1985 movie).

Knightrider Kitt car (1982-86).

Tim Burton bat mobile (1989).

Knighthawk flying motorcycle (1985).

 

None of them are targeted at teenagers - they are aimed squarely at people in their mid 30’s and older.

 

GTAV wasn’t a game for teenagers.  It was a game about middle aged men for middle aged men.  Just like most of the big AAA games are these days.  That’s why GTAonline is successful. 

You know 2 of those vehicles are from movies so beloved by children of all ages and new generations, BTTF and Batman. Mega. Those 2 are bad examples as those vehicles/movies are legendary to kids today. Besides, all those shows/flicks were made to target a young audience in the first place. Legends live on and always find new fanbases. 

 

Besides, the batmobile in GTA:O is half inspired by the tumbler from The Dark Knight trilogy which is much more modern and a hugely popular series with kids/teens (I'd say bigger than the '89 film too). And the Oppressor MKII is such a dumbed down easy to use POS that it's literally made for kids to use. That's one of the key complaints of that vehicle which has raged on since it arrived.

 

It's worth noting/considering that those high ticket items you mention came long after one of the very biggest complaints GTA:O has had for many years now though, which is just how many kids populate lobbies and missions in that game. Funny how that game got so over with the youngster's and all that crazy sh*t started to come along.

 

Kids like easy to use flying jumping meme toys that go boom boom bang bag. Who knew.

[Gray-Hand]

2 minutes ago, Lonely-Martin said:

As I mentioned above, I don't know the numbers of course. But I'm sure there's many dynamics at work regarding where the money comes from. R* knows this and targets all they can.

 

Makes sense from a business POV to cover all angles, even if it does come at the compromise of the quality of gaming itself. 

 

You know 2 of those vehicles are from movies so beloved by children of all ages and new generations, BTTF and Batman. Mega. Those 2 are bad examples as those vehicles/movies are legendary to kids today. Besides, all those shows/flicks were made to target a young audience in the first place. Legends live on and always find new fanbases. 

 

Besides, the batmobile in GTA:O is half inspired by the tumbler from The Dark Knight trilogy which is much more modern and a hugely popular series with kids/teens (I'd say bigger than the '89 film too). And the Oppressor MKII is such a dumbed down easy to use POS that it's literally made for kids to use. That's one of the key complaints of that vehicle which has raged on since it arrived.

 

It's worth noting/considering that those high ticket items you mention came long after one of the very biggest complaints GTA:O has had for many years now though, which is just how many kids populate lobbies and missions in that game. Funny how that game got so over with the youngster's and all that crazy sh*t started to come along.

 

Kids like easy to use flying jumping meme toys that go boom boom bang bag. Who knew.

If they were targeting today’s teenagers, they could have picked any one of a huge number of recent movies, but they didn’t.  They went straight to the vehicles that 40 year olds liked when they were 10.

 

And what the hell are you taking about comparing the GTA batmobile to the Nolan Tumbler?  It looks nothing like it at all -come on.  It’s the spitting image of the Burton batmobile. 

[Lonely-Martin]

Just now, Gray-Hand said:

If they were targeting today’s teenagers, they could have picked any one of a huge number of recent movies, but they didn’t.  They went straight to the vehicles that 40 year olds liked when they were 10.

And what the new bunch of 10 year olds get told about from their 40 year old dad's, lol. 

 

Back to the Future and Batman particularly, always finds a new audience with the next generation. Plus these movies are on TV regularly (or streaming).

 

3 minutes ago, Gray-Hand said:

And what the hell are you taking about comparing the GTA batmobile to the Nolan Tumbler?  It looks nothing like it at all -come on.  It’s the spitting image of the Burton batmobile. 

And the tumbler, drive one and you'll see.

 

https://gta.fandom.com/wiki/Vigilante_(car)

 

It's a mash up of both.

[CaliMeatWagon]

7 hours ago, Gray-Hand said:

Look at the big ticket items in GTAonline:

 

The back to the future delorean (1985 movie).

Knightrider Kitt car (1982-86).

Tim Burton bat mobile (1989).

Knighthawk flying motorcycle (1985).

 

None of them are targeted at teenagers - they are aimed squarely at people in their mid 30’s and older.

 

GTAV wasn’t a game for teenagers.  It was a game about middle aged men for middle aged men.  Just like most of the big AAA games are these days.  That’s why GTAonline is successful. 

I 100% agree. 
Here are some more examples:

Oppressor MK I is from Streethawk (1985). MK II is a BMW RS1200 flying bike concept.
Rhapsody is the Mirthmobile from Wayne's World (1992)
Gang Burrito is the A-Team Van (1983)
Scramjet is the Mach 5 from SpeedRacer (1967)
Youga Classic is the Mystery Machine from Scooby Doo (1969)
Hermes is Stalone's car from Cobra (1986)
Stromberg is the Lotus from The Spy Who Loved Me (1977)
JB700 is from Goldfinger (1964)
Shotaro is the light bike from Tron (1982)
And I'm sure there is more. These are just the ones I can think of. 

10 hours ago, Lonely-Martin said:

certainly don't feel pushed away from these forums either

I like debates/arguments. A little too much. But they can be a waste of my time. Especially when the people involved aren't interested in learning, or changing their mindset. 
For instance, would you find it worth it to spend a couple of hours pouring through various studies in order to find the correct information, all for some jackass to go "nuh uh... you are wrong, because my feelings tell me so, you filthy redditor..."?

I tend to stay away because I find myself in these situations all too often. 

Edited December 4, 2020 by CaliMeatWagon