Rockstars failure gets media attention (Dec1,2020)

[djb204]

Kotaku drops an article today calling out Rockstar’s failed RDO update today, stating how Rockstar favours GTA Online.

 

Kotaku Article

[CaliMeatWagon]

2020 is crazy, I actually like a Kotaku article...

[Krommer]

Worthless article, since they only mention what is SUPPOSED to be in the update:

 

They don't mention how it is also BROKEN, with an inability to level the bounty hunter/outlaw pass after level 2

since you are getting no XP. That is a bigger issue than it not being good stuff.

 

They are right about that Beau guy legendary bounty, though. It was really so easy that I wasted time riding all over the

yellow area, never really thinking it was as simple as it was (after killing all the guys outside, which were easy except

there were lots of them.) It was pretty underwhelming, though it was fun to hit him on my horse.

Edited December 2, 2020 by Krommer

[CaliMeatWagon]

3 minutes ago, Krommer said:

Worthless article, since they only mention what is SUPPOSED to be in the update:

 

They don't mention how it is also BROKEN, with an inability to level the bounty hunter/outlaw pass after level 2

since you are getting no XP. That is a bigger issue than it not being good stuff.

 

They are right about that Beau guy legendary bounty, though. It was really so easy that I wasted time riding all over the

yellow area, never really thinking it was as simple as it was (after killing all the guys outside, which were easy except

there were lots of them.) It was pretty underwhelming, though it was fun to hit him on my horse.

While the mission is overall underwhelming, there are a couple of nice features. 

• It can be stealthed
• Release the prisoner and they will tell you the bounties location
• Depressing the TNT plunger will kill the bounty

[Krommer]

7 minutes ago, CaliMeatWagon said:

• Release the prisoner and they will tell you the bounties location
• Depressing the TNT plunger will kill the bounty

 

I figured out the stealth part, but like most such things I kill a couple guys with a bow

and then one eventually sees me.

 

Weird, neither of those other things happened to me...

 

I released the prisoner, who said something like "WHAT THE HECK?" Then ran off.

 

I pressed the plunger, with something blowing up in the distance; the bounty guy was still cowering

in the very top upstairs in some room (after I looked all over in that yellow area, wasting time.)

 

Come to think of it, it may have been because I did it wrong:

 

I hit the plunger BEFORE releasing/cutting the bonds of the prisoner.

 

It might be OK to grind, if the XP worked (think there is a cooldown.)

Edited December 2, 2020 by Krommer

[CaliMeatWagon]

2 minutes ago, Krommer said:

 

I figured out the stealth part, but like most such things I kill a couple guys with a bow

and then one eventually sees me.

 

Weird, neither of those other things happened to me...

 

I released the prisoner, who said something like "WHAT THE HECK?" Then ran off.

 

I pressed the plunger, with something blowing up in the distance; the bounty guy was still cowering

in the very top upstairs in some room (after I looked all over in that yellow area, wasting time.)

 

Come to think of it, it may have been because I did it wrong:

 

I hit the plunger BEFORE releasing/cutting the bonds of the prisoner.

 

It might be OK to grind, if the XP worked (think there is a cooldown.)

One of the times I released the prisoner he said something to the effect of "He's laying low in the drawing room" and "it's packed full of explosives". 
The same play through I depressed the plunger, heard the explosion, but didn't see it, then found him slumped over in a room upstairs. 

[Krommer]

2 minutes ago, CaliMeatWagon said:

"He's laying low in the drawing room" and "it's packed full of explosives". 

 

Whoa, that is kind of cool.

 

Yeah, there were boxes of explosives in the room he was in, or near there (but not exploded, oddly enough, or I don't think so?)

Maybe I'd been looking around the yellow area for so long he moved rooms, OR it was because I killed ALL the guys outside and in the house first.

 

Beau even said something like, "YOU KILLED THEM ALL!!!???"
 

So i was decidedly "unstealthy"   

Edited December 2, 2020 by Krommer

[Lonely-Martin]

Lol, it'll blow over. R* know they're too big to fail, they are immune. Too many support and defend their sh*t. Simple as.

[Gettin up]

37 minutes ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Lol, it'll blow over. R* know they're too big to fail, they are immune. Too many support and defend their sh*t. Simple as.

Haven’t seen anyone defending their sh*t. Reddit is going crazy over recent RDO updates atm.

 

Thing is, there are no other western games like Red dead on the market, so no real competition.

[Danish Crusader]

41 minutes ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Lol, it'll blow over. R* know they're too big to fail

"too big to fail" is like saying "too fat to diet", This will bite them in the ass, an update after such a long wait is not something you should be able to finish in 5½ hours.

It is like they worked on this update for a week with the amount of nothing in this update.

[Lonely-Martin]

11 minutes ago, Gettin up said:

Haven’t seen anyone defending their sh*t. Reddit is going crazy over recent RDO updates atm.

A bit of internet fluff, lol. R*/T2 know people will just play on, buy gold, and all will be fine.

 

11 minutes ago, Gettin up said:

Thing is, there are no other western games like Red dead on the market, so no real competition.

And that's why they know they'll be fine. They know they're the only option so can do whatever they want and it'll be acceptable.

 

8 minutes ago, Danish Crusader said:

"too big to fail" is like saying "too fat to diet", This will bite them in the ass, an update after such a long wait is not something you should be able to finish in 5½ hours.

It is like they worked on this update for a week with the amount of nothing in this update.

Genuinely, I do hope you're right.

 

I just don't believe it'll happen. Not if enough buy gold or the standalone copy. The only message R*/T2 listen to is the income per quarter, if this doesn't affect that or it increases profits, they're pleased as punch. 

 

I just can't believe people are going to buy a game that is actually broken with that standalone copy. Sends such an awful message as R* learn they don't even need a fixed game to sell well.

Edited December 2, 2020 by Lonely-Martin
Autospell fail.

[RyuNova]

I said it before and got frowns from people on here so I will say it again just...nicer.

The kind of people that R* wants playing their games are not the people that read articles, they are the people that play Fortnite, Rocket League, Apex, Warzone, GTAO etc. People that should not technically be playing RDO in the first place if you get my drift. People with access to money and have the console as a babysitter.

 

They don't want us, "Our time has passed". "We're more Ghosts than people" to R*.

Edited December 3, 2020 by RyuNova

[ventogt]

25 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

I said it before and got frowns from people on here so I will say it again just...nicer.

The kind of people that R* wants playing their games are not the people that read articles, they are the people that play Fortnite, Rocket League, Apex, Warzone, GTAO etc. People that should not technically be playing RDO in the first place if you get my drift. People with access to money and have the console as a babysitter.

 

They don't want us, "Our time has passed". "We're more Ghosts that people" to R*.

7 hours ago, Krommer said:

 

I figured out the stealth part, but like most such things I kill a couple guys with a bow

and then one eventually sees me.

I tried the same with throwing knives and was only able to kill like 4 guys before someone 400 yards away started yelling at me and apparently "saw" what was happening

[Krommer]

XP appears to be working again.

 

Leveled up Wheeler Rawson to 3, as well as bounty hunter.

 

Just got 988 XP and gold/money for bounty mission.

[Blendi-]

im so worried about rdo since i love it so much

[StyxTx]

7 hours ago, Gettin up said:

Haven’t seen anyone defending their sh*t. Reddit is going crazy over recent RDO updates atm.

 

Thing is, there are no other western games like Red dead on the market, so no real competition.

I don't care if ANYTHING is the only thing of it's kind. When I start getting the finger in my face I walk away. Lots of other things in life.

[The Shakermaker]

The clowns got the media's attention last time. Will the clowns make a comeback?

[Pocket Fox]

10 hours ago, Gettin up said:

Haven’t seen anyone defending their sh*t. Reddit is going crazy over recent RDO updates atm.

 

Thing is, there are no other western games like Red dead on the market, so no real competition.

No real competition for a niche market is dangerous though. I really enjoy the Western setting and nineteenth century history (and horses) but I'm at the point where I think "I'm done" with RDR.

The fact is, I won't be drawn away to another Western game, as there really is nothing there... but I will be drawn away by *checks notes* about a dozen AAA games, maybe 30 party games and also return to some older games I haven't played that have received QoL updates.

I don't have to play a Western game when other developers are making high quality products and listen to their consumer base, so I'm perfectly happy to drop RDO entirely and play Cyberpunk and other new games instead.

 

End of the day, I've been "putting up with RDO/R*" up until this point. But the drought of content, the game breaking bugs, the rampant disconnects and simply being unable to play the game how I want to (private/invite lobbies) has sapped me of virtually all my desire to invest anymore time into this product. It's the holiday DLC release and I literally logged in twice so far, and just scanned what the new content was on, then left without actually playing the game.... and also even then the game was broken and buggy and didn't allow me to sell a collection so.... why when my time is limited would I waste it playing an unplayable game? 

[BUT THE BENZ]

because...MEXICO?!

[StyxTx]

1 hour ago, Pocket Fox said:

No real competition for a niche market is dangerous though. I really enjoy the Western setting and nineteenth century history (and horses) but I'm at the point where I think "I'm done" with RDR.

The fact is, I won't be drawn away to another Western game, as there really is nothing there... but I will be drawn away by *checks notes* about a dozen AAA games, maybe 30 party games and also return to some older games I haven't played that have received QoL updates.

I don't have to play a Western game when other developers are making high quality products and listen to their consumer base, so I'm perfectly happy to drop RDO entirely and play Cyberpunk and other new games instead.

 

End of the day, I've been "putting up with RDO/R*" up until this point. But the drought of content, the game breaking bugs, the rampant disconnects and simply being unable to play the game how I want to (private/invite lobbies) has sapped me of virtually all my desire to invest anymore time into this product. It's the holiday DLC release and I literally logged in twice so far, and just scanned what the new content was on, then left without actually playing the game.... and also even then the game was broken and buggy and didn't allow me to sell a collection so.... why when my time is limited would I waste it playing an unplayable game? 

Yup. I was like many of the newer players that are around now. I HOPED they would get their crap together at some point and gave them over 2 years to do so only to see the game getting worse and worse. Then they decided to SELL the online version knowing damn well how broken it is. That proved to me, finally, that they have no intention of fixing anything but would rather target people who don't know about the issues so they won't realize the game is broken to begin with and therefore won't be bombarding them with complaints.

 

They think of the users as idiots and nuisanses so I want nothing to do with R* ever again no matter what games they develop in the future.

Edited December 2, 2020 by StyxTx

[eighthdoctor]

11 hours ago, Blendi- said:

im so worried about rdo since i love it so much

Same and I don't play any other online games nor am I interested in GTAO, which certainly seems to be what R* are forcing us towards. Honestly I'm so pissed off at them because they've created this with the excellent Story Mode/main game yet they just don't seem to give a sh*t about it since it ain't GTAO but they can't complain about players leaving RDO because R* themselves are the ones making the asinine decisions that are pushing many players away. I don't want to lose RDO but R* are making that so unnecessarily difficult.

[Phil Cassidy7]

13 hours ago, Gettin up said:

Haven’t seen anyone defending their sh*t. Reddit is going crazy over recent RDO updates atm.

 

Thing is, there are no other western games like Red dead on the market, so no real competition.

Believe it or not people still support this behavior, I was stunned to see how many people re-bought Red Dead Online on my Steam feed, again, even after the shiet update it got and obvious cash grab that it was all the nerfs to gold.

People like butt sex I guess idk

[darkmaster234]

56 minutes ago, Phil Cassidy7 said:

Believe it or not people still support this behavior, I was stunned to see how many people re-bought Red Dead Online on my Steam feed, again, even after the shiet update it got and obvious cash grab that it was all the nerfs to gold.

People like butt sex I guess idk

Rebought after already having it ? Wtf !!!

[Phil Cassidy7]

1 hour ago, darkmaster234 said:

Rebought after already having it ? Wtf !!!

Yeah their argument is "5usd" and "Standalone exe"   

Not even kidding at least 3 people in my feed.

Edited December 3, 2020 by Phil Cassidy7

[darkmaster234]

9 minutes ago, Phil Cassidy7 said:

Yeah their argument is "5usd" and "Standalone exe"   

Not even kidding at least 3 people in my feed.

God i dont want to be rude... but that sounds moronic to me... like less than a 3 digits IQ moronic or a mental disease moronic with all respect i can give... like if you have the whole game in that same console... like why LMFAO? Unless is a gift to other person...

[kcole4001]

1 hour ago, darkmaster234 said:

God i dont want to be rude... but that sounds moronic to me... like less than a 3 digits IQ moronic or a mental disease moronic with all respect i can give... like if you have the whole game in that same console... like why LMFAO? Unless is a gift to other person...

Yep, that's their target audience, I guess.

[Krommer]

17 hours ago, RyuNova said:

The kind of people that R* wants playing their games are not the people that read articles, they are the people that play Fortnite, Rocket League, Apex, Warzone, GTAO etc. People that should not technically be playing RDO in the first place if you get my drift. People with access to money and have the console as a babysitter.

 

That seems valid, I think that is what Rockstar is doing.

 

They are ignorant, though, that type of person doesn't play this (or they might for a second, if someone flips the $4.99 for them.) 

 

The people who were playing the game everyday, for possibly a couple of hours, were those of us trying to get all of the .5 dailies gold  and 1.5 gold from completing a list. 

Removing that streak reward, for most of the month, will only limit that amount of play and alienate us while they won't see an increase of "Fortnite type users in the long haul.

[CaliMeatWagon]

20 hours ago, RyuNova said:

I said it before and got frowns from people on here so I will say it again just...nicer.

The kind of people that R* wants playing their games are not the people that read articles, they are the people that play Fortnite, Rocket League, Apex, Warzone, GTAO etc. People that should not technically be playing RDO in the first place if you get my drift. People with access to money and have the console as a babysitter.

 

They don't want us, "Our time has passed". "We're more Ghosts than people" to R*.

 

You are wrong.  

The people that R* is making money off of is whales. Not little Timmy begging his mom for $20. But adults with more disposable income than common sense. Those who jump on, spend a couple hundred on Gold Bars so they can instantly have everything. Play with it for a moment, then jump on World of Warships to buy all the new Premium Ships. Rinse, repeat.
Sure, those little $10, $20 purchases may add up, but it's the whales that keep them feed. 

Also, I really like your elitist, victim attitude. It's real charming. 
"I'm better than these people, Rockstar is just doing it to target me..."

Edited December 3, 2020 by CaliMeatWagon

[Pocket Fox]

26 minutes ago, CaliMeatWagon said:

 

You are wrong.  

The people that R* is making money off of is whales. Not little Timmy begging his mom for $20. But adults with more disposable income than common sense. Those who jump on, spend a couple hundred on Gold Bars so they can instantly have everything. Play with it for a moment, then jump on World of Warships to buy all the new Premium Ships. Rinse, repeat.
Sure, those little $10, $20 purchases may add up, but it's the whales that keep them feed. 

Also, I really like your elitist, victim attitude. It's real charming. 
"I'm better than these people, Rockstar is just doing it to target me..."

 

 That game is made just for whales now. Not even regular whales, but heckin gambling/gaming addiction whales.

[SageFan]

I honestly don't blame Rockstar for favouring GTA Online. It has wider appeal and a larger audience. Red Dead 1 sold peanuts in comparison to GTA IV and Red Dead 2 sold a fraction of what GTA V sold. Rockstar realised this a decade ago but they still put out Red Dead 2 to create a continuous source of revenue alongside the slowly dying GTA Online. RDR 2 was never meant to sell as many copies or be as much of a priority to Rockstar as GTA V was, so Red Dead Online is expendable to them. While GTA Online is still on life support, Red Dead Online will likely never get Rockstar's full attention. 

 

It's a sticky situation because you have a company who have indirectly inspired false hope in it's consumers by drawing direct parallels to another of their franchise's multiplayer modes which has far more support. A lot of people were likely misled into believing that Red Dead Online would be the new GTA Online or work alongside GTA Online as an equal, only to slowly come to the realisation that GTA Online is and will always be the golden child to Rockstar. 

 

The modern gamer isn't interested in Red Dead Online. Why would they when they can get more fun out of griefing other players in a helicopter or hoverbike all day? Majority of the purchases for this game were for the singleplayer. Like GTA Online, Red Dead Online was the afterthought. The only difference here is, is that Rockstar realised that GTA Online could be one of their most profitable business ventures, and it has since took over Rockstar. Ever wonder why we have had two Rockstar titles in 8 years?