Why is young Jack dubbed by adult woman ?

[ArthurFleck]

So I though R* will end this ill fitting dub odd choices to use older and fat woman to voice children characters, well let me be more precise, male children.
Like there is some law that decline children to do voice acting or something ? Why can't be young boy be voiced by kid about same age, I could understand they can aply older woman to dub younger girl, but why boys ?
They did same thing in seasson 4 of walking dead, I could hear over 30 years old black girl from like very first sentence. 

[cp1dell]

You’re going to lose your mind when you find out who has been voicing Bart Simpson

[Ash_735]

That's how it is in the acting scene, women tend to voice a lot of young boys because it's easier to pass off and allows the working hours of an adult since there are specific laws when using children for acting. Not to mention they can keep doing the voice long past the age a young boy actor would outgrow it.

[ArthurFleck]

1 minute ago, cp1dell said:

You’re going to lose your mind when you find out who has been voicing Bart Simpson

Only an idiot can't hear a old woman especially in latest episodes I don't even watch cause after 21 seasson, this show it's pretty much dead to me.

[billiejoearmstrong8]

Almost all "kid's" voices you hear in animation are adult actors, and usually female whatever the gender of the character because kids have high voices. It's standard procedure, not only are there all kinds of restrictive laws around children working, but it's very difficult to get good dialogue from them and the younger they are the more restrictive the laws are and the more difficult it is. Imagine trying to get all those lines from an actual four year old toddler. Pretty much the only time you hear real little kids' voices in animation is in some TV shows for very young kids (even then it's rare).

 

However they usually get actors who can pull off a convincing kid's voice pretty well....in this case I don't think they did. As far as being realistic it isn't only the sound of the voice that would have to improve though, a FOUR year old, especially one who's never socialised with other kids or been to school, wouldn't really speak anywhere near as eloquently or clearly as Jack does. It's the script and directing as well as the voice actor that makes it unconvincing. Adults generally suck at writing realistic kid speaking/behaviour, convincing kid characters are rare. 

Edited December 1, 2020 by billiejoearmstrong8

[ArthurFleck]

43 minutes ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

However they usually get actors who can pull off a convincing kid's voice pretty well....in this case I don't think they did. As far as being realistic it isn't only the sound of the voice that would have to improve though, a FOUR year old, especially one who's never socialised with other kids or been to school, wouldn't really speak anywhere near as eloquently or clearly as Jack does. It's the script and directing as well as the voice actor that makes it unconvincing. Adults generally suck at writing realistic kid speaking/behaviour, convincing kid characters are rare. 

Jack at least sound like child (even that he is much more cute for obvious reason) 
Hoever that abomination on WD 4 was really under my skin, like who didn't reacognize an adult black girl trying to be 5 years old kid, with voice so deep I can match to. 

[Lonely-Martin]

Child labour laws are a big reason. With adults doing the voices it's just easier on the schedule is all with less hoops to hop through and the voice is more consistent as time goes on. Like the aforementioned Simpsons, Bart has sounded pretty much the same for 30 years now and had a 10 year old boy played the character in the beginning, they'd be passing 40 and would sound distinctly different over time, or they'd have to keep recasting which can see further inconsistencies.

 

Much like how when you see young children in movies/TV, they're often played by identical twins that share the role so they can have one work while the other isn't and switch them over the course of a shooting day. The kid from Big Daddy/Ross's son in Friends for example was done by twins I believe, it's quite a common thing to get around the child labour laws is all.

[Alexlecj]

I can't believe they got an actual kid to voice Zachary Tyler from the "Intelligent Agenda" radio show in GTA IV.

[billiejoearmstrong8]

1 hour ago, ArthurFleck said:

Jack at least sound like child (even that he is much more cute for obvious reason) 
Hoever that abomination on WD 4 was really under my skin, like who didn't reacognize an adult black girl trying to be 5 years old kid, with voice so deep I can match to. 

Maybe if he was meant to be 7 or 8 or something. He seems way older than 4 to me, a lot of 4 year olds can barely even speak. 

Edited December 1, 2020 by billiejoearmstrong8

[ArthurFleck]

1 hour ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Much like how when you see young children in movies/TV, they're often played by identical twins that share the role so they can have one work while the other isn't and switch them over the course of a shooting day. The kid from Big Daddy/Ross's son in Friends for example was done by twins I believe, it's quite a common thing to get around the child labour laws is all.

That's really pathetic considering it's ''child labor'' and because game itself is marked as violent.
Yet the whole internet and specialy discord is full of raping pedophile cartoons, and even when they are actualy illegal no one cares.

31 minutes ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

Maybe if he was meant to be 7 or 8 or something. He seems way older than 4 to me, a lot of 4 year olds can barely even speak. 

Well of course, but I can see the point there. 

[Lonely-Martin]

15 minutes ago, ArthurFleck said:

That's really pathetic considering it's ''child labor'' and because game itself is marked as violent.
Yet the whole internet and specialy discord is full of raping pedophile cartoons, and even when they are actualy illegal no one cares.

Well of course, but I can see the point there. 

Yeah, the internet is bandit country in many places, lol. 

 

But children and violent film/TV/games etc is nothing new. Often it is easy to shield kids and I imagine more so with voice recording for games, but not always of course (horror movies are often criticised for having kids close to horrific things for example - The Exorcist being a very high profile case).

 

Parents/guardians are always present when their kids work though of course and consulted too. But I've seen enough scenes that I found I questioned how such young children can be involved in some scenes. Martin Scorsese movies like Casino where Sharon Stone and James Woods are sniffing coke in front of a minor, or in Boardwalk Empire with domestic abuse occuring and the kids scared/crying for example. Bit naughty and can be uncomfortable viewing, though it can also add a realistic edge to a good drama too so I've mixed feelings on it all.

[ArthurFleck]

15 minutes ago, Lonely-Martin said:

But children and violent film/TV/games etc is nothing new. Often it is easy to shield kids and I imagine more so with voice recording for games, but not always of course (horror movies are often criticised for having kids close to horrific things for example - The Exorcist being a very high profile case).

Exactly, but like I said internet and some groups using it, are much worse filth. Yet have a kid dub a kid in game is bad because, other cutscenes contain violence. Just lol. 
 

Edited December 1, 2020 by ArthurFleck

[UpTheDowngrade]

6 hours ago, cp1dell said:

You’re going to lose your mind when you find out who has been voicing Bart Simpson

That's a cartoon, where none of the characters are meant to resemble or sound like real people. RDR2 is a videogame with high realism...

Edited December 1, 2020 by UpTheDowngrade

[KGBeast]

I understand why it was done, but it was done poorly and bugs me every time I play. It's so obviously not a young boy's voice, it makes you feel like you just got caught on To Catch a Predator and are talking to some fat 30 year old pretending to be 13 on the phone. 

[kubon352]

I never really gave a thought about that and no, Jack's voice did not seem inappropriate for me.

[billiejoearmstrong8]

6 hours ago, UpTheDowngrade said:

That's a cartoon, where none of the characters are meant to resemble or sound like real people. RDR2 is a videogame with high realism...

It wouldn't be possible to have a real 4 year old do this job. The restrictions on young children working alone would make it impossible when there's so much dialogue (much more than there would be in a film or tv show), and also real 4 year olds don't talk clearly/well at all. If they wanted a real child and it was possible to work out how to do it with the child labour laws (which would take lots of extra money and time) they would've had to make the character older and use an older child. 

 

Literally any time you've heard an animated "child" it wasn't really a child doing the voice. When my nephew was little and I'd watch kids tv with him there'd be the very occasional show where they made a point to have real kids' voices, but it was only when it was real kids being interviewed/giving their own thoughts and then made into animation, it was never acting/reading a script. And it was always painfully obvious when it was real kids because they babble a lot of nonsense and don't speak clearly lol. They simply don't use little kids to voice animated fictional characters, it isn't a thing. 

 

The issue isn't that it wasn't a real kid. It's just that the voice actor wasn't that good at doing a convincing kid voice. With a better (adult) voice actor it could've been better. 

Edited December 2, 2020 by billiejoearmstrong8

[Cutter De Blanc]

Jack's dialouge is a bit unconvincing too in the writing really, always more get the impression I'm talking to a 9 or 10 year old. Hes alot more cognizant of whats going on around him than you'd really expect a 4 year old to be