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The end of GTA VI as we know it?


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MrBreak16
12 hours ago, KingHadu said:

As a business Rockstar has no business making a new GTA game, it is far more economical to expand on the current GTA5 and it is very clear by now what Rockstar's intentions are when it comes to the future of GTA.


The future of GTA is GTA5 even if it continues to use 2013 graphics, Rockstar has made it clear that they can't neither are they willing to spend the money required to make a new GTA game it makes no sense business wise.

 

To top it off GTA Online is becoming stand alone and that is a big big hint that it is the final GTA.

 

Not to mention it's also much easier to work with GTA5's 2013 graphics to pump out new content.

 

GTA6 is going to require far more effort to pump out content which makes no sense business wise.

What are you talking about? Rockstar have so much money, ressources and employees. And they can’t just milk GTA V forever. They are definitely going to make a GTA VI

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The Wolf Man

They will keep milking GTA V for as long as they can. R* is just making money with the opportunity they have. The fans who just won't stop playing and buying stuff for GTA Online are the ones to "blame".

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Yannerrins

Well, that "map expansion" turns out North Yankton 2.0 which don't accessible in freeroam. So, i think it's a pretty rough statement about "The end of GTA VI".

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MrBreak16
32 minutes ago, The Wolf Man said:

They will keep milking GTA V for as long as they can. R* is just making money with the opportunity they have. The fans who just won't stop playing and buying stuff for GTA Online are the ones to "blame".

Rockstar isn’t crazy, they know everyone wants GTA VI so they will make the most ambitious GTA game yet and create a new version of GTA Online for GTA VI then they will milk it for a decade until they decide to make another game and repeat.

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The Wolf Man
41 minutes ago, MrBreak16 said:

Rockstar isn’t crazy, they know everyone wants GTA VI so they will make the most ambitious GTA game yet and create a new version of GTA Online for GTA VI then they will milk it for a decade until they decide to make another game and repeat.

 

Making AAA games is a huge risk nowadays and no game is too big to fail (Cyberpunk, Avengers etc.). The company will spend years in the making, tons of money, and they will always be on the edge of bankrupcy no matter how careful they are. This is not my opinion. Gaming developers are out there speaking their minds about it all the time.

 

Why take the risk if GTA V and its milking is still working and will probably continue to work for years to come?

 

Of course. R* might just chose to take the risk and bury GTA Online once and for all, but things just aren't as simple as many people think.

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12 minutes ago, The Wolf Man said:

 

Making AAA games is a huge risk nowadays and no game is too big to fail (Cyberpunk, Avengers etc.). The company will spend years in the making, tons of money, and they will always be on the edge of bankrupcy no matter how careful they are. This is not my opinion. Gaming developers are out there speaking their minds about it all the time.

 

Why take the risk if GTA V and its milking is still working and will probably continue to work for years to come?

 

Of course. R* might just chose to take the risk and bury GTA Online once and for all, but things just aren't as simple as many people think.

I don’t know, they didn’t seemed to be concerned with RDR2

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33 minutes ago, MrBreak16 said:

I don’t know, they didn’t seemed to be concerned with RDR2

 

RDR2 started all the way back in 2010 and its predecessor wasn't the biggest selling game of all time. It's a different scenario and yet there's the online mode. It's a sign that they are trying to make a bigger profit from the game because the sales just aren't enough.

 

And obivously this is just me speculating... nobody knows what they are actually planning.

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12 minutes ago, MrBreak16 said:

I don’t know, they didn’t seemed to be concerned with RDR2

Probably because they're making enough money from GTA Online.

 

Whilst this latest update doesn't seem to be as big an extension as expected, the fact that they're updating the game for the new gen consoles suggests that they see plenty of life left in it. No doubt the additional capacity of next gen consoles will allow them to provide free roam expansions that they're limited by at the moment.

 

If they were so far in to development of GTA VI (some speculators suggest as much as 50% there,) surely they wouldn't have the resource to plough in to developing Online. The longer Online carries on for, the less and less likely GTA VI, and the amount of players playing online would have to diminish spectacularly for Rockstar to consider then ploughing money in to developing a new stand alone game. I still think that we're more likely to see a large update to Online, which will be akin to, but not quite GTA VI, than an actual standalone GTA VI game. 

 

 

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lol people still think there will be a GTA6 when GTA5 isn't even remotely close to being done milked?

 

No company in their right mind would make a GTA6 when GTA5 exist.

 

GTA5 makes more money than GTA6 ever would and requires near 0 effort.

 

People who think there will be a GTA6 is like those text book nerds, the ones who believe in theory when in reality the works the other way around.

 

 

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MrBreak16
1 hour ago, KingHadu said:

lol people still think there will be a GTA6 when GTA5 isn't even remotely close to being done milked?

 

No company in their right mind would make a GTA6 when GTA5 exist.

 

GTA5 makes more money than GTA6 ever would and requires near 0 effort.

 

People who think there will be a GTA6 is like those text book nerds, the ones who believe in theory when in reality the works the other way around.

 

 

If you think GTA VI can’t make as much money as GTA V you are retarded. Everyone and their moms will buy that sh*t

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2 hours ago, KingHadu said:

People who think there will be a GTA6 is like those text book nerds, the ones who believe in theory when in reality the works the other way around.

 

 

Or people who think GTA 6 will not release are straight up retards

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10 hours ago, MrBreak16 said:

If you think GTA VI can’t make as much money as GTA V you are retarded. Everyone and their moms will buy that sh*t

 

9 hours ago, EliteGamer_6 said:

Or people who think GTA 6 will not release are straight up retards

 

Nobody is saying that a potential GTA VI wouldn't make money, but I think you both fail to understand how profit works. Rockstar have made more money from Online than they have from the actual release of GTA V. They can continue to expand Online for little overall cost as opposed to developing a whole new game from scratch and still make a ton of money. Developing a new game may make them money from sales, but their profit margins will be smaller because of the cost of development. 

 

It only make sense for Rockstar to release GTA VI once Online has died, and with the latest update and a next-gen version due to be released, that won't be happening anytime soon. 

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On 12/15/2020 at 8:40 AM, The Wolf Man said:

 

RDR2 started all the way back in 2010 and its predecessor wasn't the biggest selling game of all time. It's a different scenario and yet there's the online mode. It's a sign that they are trying to make a bigger profit from the game because the sales just aren't enough.

 

And obivously this is just me speculating... nobody knows what they are actually planning.

If you're going to try and make a statement of fact, you have to be accurate. RDR2 was at best casual banter in 2010, as it was not in planning in any aspect in 2010. You're assuming that it was, with no proof. This says otherwise. Not to mention, multiple delays both before and after 2016 announcement, which is why it took 7 years and 9 months to release from start to finish.

 

18 hours ago, KingHadu said:

lol people still think there will be a GTA6 when GTA5 isn't even remotely close to being done milked?

 

No company in their right mind would make a GTA6 when GTA5 exist.

 

GTA5 makes more money than GTA6 ever would and requires near 0 effort.

 

People who think there will be a GTA6 is like those text book nerds, the ones who believe in theory when in reality the works the other way around.

 

 

 

Do you understand how product planning works in any industry, if you think companies don't make parallel movements on replacement product, in anticipation of potential declines in incumbent product?

 

It's still successful after 7 years, but after 9-10 years that can change and no one wants to be caught with their pants down.

 

Hell, on the automotive level (relates to my background), a top seller and segment leader vehicle since 2005 (hugely redesigned end of 2004), makes money hand over fist and wiped out its competition. Its core components were paid off years ago and only got a weak "new gen" redesign in late 2015 and minor mid-generation update 1 year ago.

 

Yet, after so many billions upon billions earned, it will be fully redesigned in 2023, with absolutely nothing carried over. Budget is $1.2 billion.

 

As someone with an ear from the inside, many outsiders have disputed that 2023 claim and state "2019 was the highest year ever, no need to change anything ever!"

 

Well, to the company planners, that doesn't matter and they're finishing up designing 2023 prototypes, to put into guarded testing. It's seen as time to strike while the market is hot, before buyers get burned out and lose interest.

 

No one ultimately lives in a vacuum, especially Rockstar. Anyone can come and pass up Rockstar, if given the motivation and resources to do so.

 

Seems that some people just like being contrarians for the hell of it and as some call them, edgelords.

 

2021 marketing will be 100% V on PS5 and XBX, followed by 2022 maybe touching on what might be coming after that. But to think it's not in planning, is utter nonsense.

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Just now, CM1 said:

If you're going to try and make a statement of fact, you have to be accurate. RDR2 was at best casual banter in 2010, as it was not in planning in any aspect in 2010. You're assuming that it was, with no proof. This says otherwise. Not to mention, multiple delays both before and after 2016 announcement, which is why it took 7 years and 9 months to release from start to finish.

 

The initial production date is irrelevant. The point is: RDR2 was a risky gamble, so much that they planned an online mode as a way to increase the game's revenue. This is the fact I was trying to point out.

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23 minutes ago, The Wolf Man said:

The point is: RDR2 was a risky gamble, so much that they planned an online mode as a way to increase the game's revenue.

What? Every future Rockstar game will have a online mode in it in some fashion and it has nothing to do with the single player being risky or not. Why the hell a company would not try to increase revenue? Business stands on profit and taking calculated risks and single player games sell extremely well; it's a fact; especially Rockstar's games.

SP at launch for a huge lump of money and online support further down the line for more profit is a pretty good business model imo. Why do you think Call of Duty, a primarily a multiplayer title, reverted back to having a traditional single player campaign with high production values after Black Ops 4? 

8 hours ago, B165HOW said:

 

It only make sense for Rockstar to release GTA VI once Online has died, and with the latest update and a next-gen version due to be released, that won't be happening anytime soon. 

It can work fantastically well. Just like how Activision is handling Warzone and mainline CoDs. A permanent GTAO with map expansions when new GTAs come out would be great from a business perspective with graphics and mechanical updates once in a generation. Player retention is extremely important in GaaS.

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3 hours ago, Zapper said:

What? Every future Rockstar game will have a online mode in it in some fashion and it has nothing to do with the single player being risky or not. Why the hell a company would not try to increase revenue? Business stands on profit and taking calculated risks and single player games sell extremely well; it's a fact; especially Rockstar's games.

SP at launch for a huge lump of money and online support further down the line for more profit is a pretty good business model imo. Why do you think Call of Duty, a primarily a multiplayer title, reverted back to having a traditional single player campaign with high production values after Black Ops 4?

 

Even extremely well sales might not be enough to return the invested money/time. AAA games are a great risk nowadays and that's way R* might chose to play it safe.

 

The insustentability of the gaming industry is a well known fact. Many developers already talked about it (like the director from God of War. He even suggested that games should be more expensive). Go do some research before contesting the things I say just because they go against your own personal opinion.

 

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https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/god-of-war-director-cory-barlog-says-games-need-to-go-up-in-price/amp/

 

https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/former-playstation-exec-says-next-gen-games-may-have-to-be-shorter-or-cost-more/

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Riding shotgun

maybe if people stopped playing online(didnt have online back in 3d era). but yeah i don't see why gta 6 can't come out.

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21 minutes ago, The Wolf Man said:

Even extremely well sales might not be enough to return the invested money/time. AAA games are a great risk nowadays and that's way R* might chose to play it safe.

 

The insustentability of the gaming industry is a well known fact. Many developers already talked about it (like the director from God of War. He even suggested that games should be more expensive). Go do some research before contesting the things I said just because they go against your own personal opinion.

First of all games are actually going up in price in next gen. Take Two was the first to announce the price increase.

Also that GoW logic is flawed at the base level because it has no GaaS mode maximize revenue after release and I don't see Santa Monica creating a proper GaaS product anytime soon. Maybe they can add something like Ghost of Tsushima Legends but that's it. Barlog himself is working on a separate porject which is single player anyway. Rockstar first of all is much bigger than SSM and they have an existing GaaS product which is highly successful and GTA as an IP is a juggernaut. 

And what's there to research anyway. We simply don't have enough information on what Rockstar is cooking. Zelnick is a very shrewd buisnessman but I don't think he's stupid enough to invite a Fallout 76 kinda scenario at their doorstep. Rockstar's safe play is SP at launch and online updates further on and I believe that's going to continue.

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The Wolf Man

Yeah you sure know more about the gaming industry than Cory Barlog and a former PlayStation executive.

 

We certainly don't know what R* is planning. This is all pure speculation anyway.

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13 minutes ago, The Wolf Man said:

Yeah you sure know more about the gaming industry than Cory Barlog and a former PlayStation executive.

 

Barlog prefers games to go up in price so that companies reduce MTX. The twist that anyone will see come from a mile away that it's never gonna happen and Barlog absolutely f*cking knows it. He'll personally benefit from increased price in AAA titles financially if his future games sell well and SSM could hypothetically add MTX filled online modes in future making it a possible win win situation for him and SIE at large. The situation isn't as black and white as painting out to be.

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leaflinks
On 12/15/2020 at 1:30 PM, MrBreak16 said:

What are you talking about? Rockstar have so much money, ressources and employees. And they can’t just milk GTA V forever. They are definitely going to make a GTA VI

 

I play online the PS3, so with the PS4 there are some expansions, I can't remember them. So as a number have stated here, Rockstar keeps earning a good amount from the online. I feel the online as is, well for PS3 that is isn't that entertaining there are up to thirty or more players on the network at any one time,  PS4 is obviously much better due to the support it has. That is paid service.

 

I guess, it will be some time, until the next single player game.

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testarossa 86

from the way I see GTA Online now, the game is starting to feel... dated.

GTA Online's DLCs have slowed down a bunch compared to previous years. 2017/2018 were the last years we got multiple big DLCs in a single year; now it looks to be one big DLC a year.

obviously the Cayo Perico Heist DLC is something unique and different compared to most updates, but content wise such as vehicles/clothes don't really feel the same as previous DLCs where we got a ton of vehicles/clothes.

we know they don't have to keep adding content every month in order for people to buy Shark Cards and microtransactions, but why cut down on content all of a sudden to a insanely successful Online mode.

It seems odd for them to slow down on adding content all of a sudden to a game that still makes them billions a year, clearly their priorities have to be somewhere else, presumably the next installment.

 

however, I would assume most would agree GTA Online in it's current state suffers from it's dated engine, no matter how much content they add, at this point in 2021, the game is starting to show age.

I understand they are coming out with the Expanded and Enhanced edition; however if they don't add something different such as better textures, actual next gen features/changes, etc then the game will really feel dated.

 

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5 hours ago, testarossa 86 said:

however, I would assume most would agree GTA Online in it's current state suffers from it's dated engine

also it suffers from theirs P2P architecture, which makes cheating much easier

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GinsengElixir

I might be wrong, but when R* announce a remastered GTAV for newer consoles I just think they're future proofing GTAO rather than thinking about the cash they'll make on copies sold.

 

I think GTAVI will arrive within a few years, but will not be surprised if it has been designed with online as the main driver rather than SP. That said I'm sure people were saying that about RDR2 and it was a huge SP game. 

 

And as someone has already pointed out, with GTAO still making $/£, a new game might disturb that. 

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13 minutes ago, GinsengElixir said:

I might be wrong, but when R* announce a remastered GTAV for newer consoles I just think they're future proofing GTAO rather than thinking about the cash they'll make on copies sold.

 

I think GTAVI will arrive within a few years, but will not be surprised if it has been designed with online as the main driver rather than SP. That said I'm sure people were saying that about RDR2 and it was a huge SP game. 

 

And as someone has already pointed out, with GTAO still making $/£, a new game might disturb that. 

 

'GTA 6' Will Keep The Focus On Single-Player, Rockstar Says

 

The remaster of GTAV on next gen definitely is about money, but is also about reminding people about the franchise and building some hype before the first GTAVI trailer. We can probably expect the first VI trailer 6 months after the next gen release, with a 2023-2024 release once enough next gen consoles have saturated the market. 

 

I don't really think T2 is worried about the money GTAO is making, GTAVI will make them billions and they'll have an even more refined GTAO model that will most likely drive even more shark card sales. 

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Just now, CoryLVV said:

 

'GTA 6' Will Keep The Focus On Single-Player, Rockstar Says

 

The remaster of GTAV on next gen definitely is about money, but is also about reminding people about the franchise and building some hype before the first GTAVI trailer. We can probably expect the first VI trailer 6 months after the next gen release, with a 2023-2024 release once enough next gen consoles have saturated the market. 

Yea , that interview was with GQ i guess , but Gta V's SP content is completely abandoned except some minor changes will happen on PS5 launch, They'll probably grow the story on Gta VI with regular SP content 

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3 minutes ago, CoryLVV said:

I don't really think T2 is worried about the money GTAO is making, GTAVI will make them billions and they'll have an even more refined GTAO model that will most likely drive even more shark card sales. 

RDR2 was made with sharkcards money and half of V's sales i guess 

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12 minutes ago, DeltaV20 said:

Yea , that interview was with GQ i guess , but Gta V's SP content is completely abandoned except some minor changes will happen on PS5 launch, They'll probably grow the story on Gta VI with regular SP content 

 

If Rockstar gave us like two good SP DLCs similar to IV and then went to focus on GTAO2 (or whatever it'll be) then I think everyone would be happy. A lot of the only complaints I've seen with GTAV (excluding GTAO crying) have been the cut SP content. I wouldn't even mind paying $10-$15 extra per DLC if it's quality and continues to build the story.

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2 hours ago, GinsengElixir said:

I think GTAVI will arrive within a few years, but will not be surprised if it has been designed with online as the main driver rather than SP. That said I'm sure people were saying that about RDR2 and it was a huge SP game. 

Yes people keep saying this over and over, and it wasn't the case with RDR2 at all and it won't be the case with their future games. RDR2 singleplayer campaign launched with more content than what similar games have AFTER getting all the DLCs. Yes, RDR2 started development when GTAO wasn't as successful as now, but at any point up to 2018 they could have decided to shift focus on Online things, but they apparently didn't. Rockstar has thousands of employees, and they repeatedly said that only a small part of them are working on Online updates.  

I often feel like that people complaining about how Online will be the focus of next GTA is just their coping mechanism for coming to terms with the fact that next Rockstar game is still not coming anytime soon, and that it will likely be the only SP content Rockstar will release in many, many years. 😛 Unless something changes of course, that is indeed possible, with Rockstar you never know.

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2 hours ago, 0909090 said:

Yes people keep saying this over and over, and it wasn't the case with RDR2 at all and it won't be the case with their future games. RDR2 singleplayer campaign launched with more content than what similar games have AFTER getting all the DLCs. Yes, RDR2 started development when GTAO wasn't as successful as now, but at any point up to 2018 they could have decided to shift focus on Online things, but they apparently didn't. Rockstar has thousands of employees, and they repeatedly said that only a small part of them are working on Online updates.  

I often feel like that people complaining about how Online will be the focus of next GTA is just their coping mechanism for coming to terms with the fact that next Rockstar game is still not coming anytime soon, and that it will likely be the only SP content Rockstar will release in many, many years. 😛 Unless something changes of course, that is indeed possible, with Rockstar you never know.

 

This, RDR2 made it clear that Rockstar still cares about quality SP experiences so this circlejerk about Rockstar not caring about Singleplayer anymore is silly.  Its not like a game needs DLC to be good, RDR2 especially didn't need any.

 

 

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