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B165HOW

The end of GTA VI as we know it?

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B165HOW

Apologies for the clickbait title, but this is something I've pondered for a while and makes a little more sense considering the hints for the new Online heist. 

 

Rockstar had previously stated that their aim was to build on the online universe allowing your player to travel between different locations such as San Andreas/Vice City/Liberty City. The latest teases for the Online Heist 'El Rubio' suggest a map expansion with another location away from San Andreas, so we remain in the GTA 5/Online game with new locations being added.

 

I've suspected that they would find a way to bridge the current online progress with any new release, however, I'm not sure a new standalone game is in the making at all. GTA Online is now so lucrative, that there's no need to build a new game from scratch. They'll continue to use the GTA 5 game, with generational improvements for this current gen and continue to expand the GTA Online map without having to develop a new game. I hope it's not the case, but I can't help but feel that it's the direction Rockstar will go in now. 

 

 

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nicktestbranch

No reason to scrap all they've poured into by now, it's halfway through production

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GhettoJesus

It wouldn't be a bad theory but it falls apart because of the newest "map expansion". If you look at the map it's pretty tiny. If they truly meant to make a big online universe with large map expansions they wouldn't just release a tiny island. I am pretty sure this won't kill GTA VI especially if it is in production.

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B165HOW
Just now, GhettoJesus said:

It wouldn't be a bad theory but it falls apart because of the newest "map expansion". If you look at the map it's pretty tiny. If they truly meant to make a big online universe with large map expansion they wouldn't just release a tiny island.

Yeah, I get that, but this map extension wouldn't necessarily be the start of of a 'new' expansion, but more of a test run to see how much interest it garners.

4 minutes ago, nicktestbranch said:

No reason to scrap all they've poured into by now, it's halfway through production

Is there anything that suggests that they're producing a new game at all? Other than that Rab C Nesbitt wannabe from earlier this year who was high on Irn Bru and kept dropping useless posts.

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RedDagger

GTA Online will be incredibly bloated at this point - there's only so much they can add, and only so much they can do, before even in simple economic terms it makes more sense to make a new game with better room for expanding.

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GhettoJesus
15 minutes ago, B165HOW said:

Yeah, I get that, but this map extension wouldn't necessarily be the start of of a 'new' expansion, but more of a test run to see how much interest it garners.

Considering the size I don't think it's a particular good test. It isn't a bad attempt at testing reactions (obviously everyone is gonna love it) but they can't quite equate it with the addition of a metropolis. I think the universe building will mean that you can transfer your character over GTA Online 2 if such a thing comes out.

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B165HOW
3 minutes ago, RedDagger said:

GTA Online will be incredibly bloated at this point - there's only so much they can add, and only so much they can do, before even in simple economic terms it makes more sense to make a new game with better room for expanding.

I agree. There are so many bugs and issues with the game mechanics that the best option for players would be to build a new game from scratch and iron out the issues from GTA Online, with a way to link progress. But the current iteration of Rockstar aren't exactly overflowing with logic,more bags of money from GTA Online. 

3 minutes ago, GhettoJesus said:

Considering the size I don't think it's a particular good test. It isn't be a bad attempt at testing reactions (obviously everyone is gonna love it) but they can't quite equate it with the addition of the metropolis. I think the universe building will mean that you can transfer your character over GTA Online 2 if such a thing comes out.

Hopefully. I'd like to see a new game with fresh mechanics and less bugs, but the more time they keep ploughing in to Online, the more I think they're not concerned with building a new game. They'll have to find a way to transfer your character, but the Online economy is so broken, I'm not sure how they'll manage it. 

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TheGayOni

GTA VI will still happen, this is probably just them hoping to tide people over with something new until they announce it. It’s been seven long years after all.

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HooriShoori

Highly doubt that they would release an expansion map onto the current GTA, they would miss out on a lot of revenue...
 

They could say that they have expanded the map and would release it as a cost dlc, which may persuade some of the audience but it’s not comparable to them selling a new game and calling it GTA 6.

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Racecarlock

GTA V made 1 billion dollars in a weekend. There's no way they've decided to stop making new ones. I'm sure they're making a lot of money on GTA online and all, but come on, making more than 3 times the production budget back in one weekend is practically cocaine to any sales analyst or CEO.

 

Abandoning a new game would practically be throwing swimming pools full of money in the trash.

 

The simple truth is that games are getting really technologically complicated and therefore we haven't seen a new trailer or even an announcement yet is because rockstar is putting all sorts of new tech stuff in it. I mean, they skipped a whole generation, so they've gotta be making something massive. And because they are, it's going to take a really long time.

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Huffin-Puffin
On 11/21/2020 at 6:23 PM, Racecarlock said:

GTA V made 1 billion dollars in a weekend. There's no way they've decided to stop making new ones. I'm sure they're making a lot of money on GTA online and all, but come on, making more than 3 times the production budget back in one weekend is practically cocaine to any sales analyst or CEO.

 

Abandoning a new game would practically be throwing swimming pools full of money in the trash.


It’s not about how much money they made, it’s about how much money they can make in return for their investment. 3x production budget sounds good, but if Online content makes 100x production budget then why go back to 3x. GTA Online made more money in April 2020 than any other month since it released. They’re making 500 million dollars a year from it, and the costs to develop it are absolutely tiny compared to producing a full sequel, especially one with a story and cutscenes that cost hundreds of times what online content costs, and get played an average of less than once per user. In comparison, online content is cheaper to produce, gets played more often and makes ongoing revenue for them instead of a single amount.

 

I know nobody here (me included) wants there to never be another SP campaign. We especially don’t want there to never be another full game and for it to just be expansions to GTAO. But looking at it as something that will happen because of the money that could be made ignores the logical argument that it’s not the most efficient way for them to make money or get return on investment. The money you make in the first weekend isn’t what the industry is focused on anymore, it’s the money you make every weekend for 7 years. GTAO is by far their most successful product ever financially, and it’s technically a free add on.

 

They’re developing something right now, but it’s totally possible they’re not planning to release it until GTAO revenues start falling. If the argument you’re making is about business and money you have to understand that killing a product that is gaining in popularity is just bad business. There’s no reason to kill GTAO because it’s cheaper than VI and makes more money. 

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The Wolf Man

I share the same opinion. GTA 6 is on the making but there is no need to rush it because GTA 5 & Online are still very very successful. We all think 2023 is a plausible release date, but I don't think it makes much difference for R*. They might as well release the game in 2025, 2026, who knows.

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OR1
On 11/19/2020 at 7:48 PM, RedDagger said:

GTA Online will be incredibly bloated at this point - there's only so much they can add, and only so much they can do, before even in simple economic terms it makes more sense to make a new game with better room for expanding.

I agree, and in addition to that, technically it is necessary to develop a new game in order to adapt it to the new capabilities of the PlayStation 5

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Huffin-Puffin
3 hours ago, OR1 said:

I agree, and in addition to that, technically it is necessary to develop a new game in order to adapt it to the new capabilities of the PlayStation 5

Why? They just spent an entire generation selling a PS3/360 game and again, it’s the most successful game they’ve ever produced. Maybe if it doesn’t to well on PS5 there’s an argument they need to make something new, but RDR2 didn’t take GTAO’s place so clearly just being more technically proficient isn’t an automatic route to making more money. If you’ve already got a game you can sell why spent millions making a new one? 
 

We’re also way past the point where new consoles make a big difference. We’re never going to see a big leap again. That’s another reason that they’ve been able to keep selling GTAV for a second generation, because new games during the PS4 generation weren’t really much different from it. This gen’s technology isn’t either, and the size and scope of games isn’t increasing. GTA’s biggest open world competitor, Assassins Creed, has barely changed since the 360 except for adding nicer lighting and textures. You can patch those things into GTAV.

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OR1

@Huffin-Puffin

We'll have to wait and see how the new edition will be on the PS 5, it may really be a bigger success than I expected, i don't really now time will tell

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6fangedcutthroatTV

The Big One is about to become The Real One. :whistle:

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The Wolf Man

What if GTA 6 is a live service game, like Anthem tried to be or like the new Marvel's Avengers is trying to be now? Take Two already said that there is a possiblity of releasing a core game that will be upgraded from time to time.

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B165HOW
On 11/24/2020 at 7:06 PM, Huffin-Puffin said:

Why? They just spent an entire generation selling a PS3/360 game and again, it’s the most successful game they’ve ever produced. Maybe if it doesn’t to well on PS5 there’s an argument they need to make something new, but RDR2 didn’t take GTAO’s place so clearly just being more technically proficient isn’t an automatic route to making more money. If you’ve already got a game you can sell why spent millions making a new one? 
 

We’re also way past the point where new consoles make a big difference. We’re never going to see a big leap again. That’s another reason that they’ve been able to keep selling GTAV for a second generation, because new games during the PS4 generation weren’t really much different from it. This gen’s technology isn’t either, and the size and scope of games isn’t increasing. GTA’s biggest open world competitor, Assassins Creed, has barely changed since the 360 except for adding nicer lighting and textures. You can patch those things into GTAV.

This!

 

They're already updating GTA V for next gen. This will be an incremental update of sorts to take advantage of the increased capability, just like the jump from last to current gen. If GTA V continues to do well on next gen, at least as well as it has been doing, then there's little financial incentive for Rockstar/Take2 to plough money in to developing an entirely new game. 

 

I genuinely believe that we're more likely to see a new location (Vice City/Liberty City) as an addition to GTA Online as opposed to a stand alone game.

On 11/24/2020 at 8:43 PM, The Wolf Man said:

What if GTA 6 is a live service game, like Anthem tried to be or like the new Marvel's Avengers is trying to be now? Take Two already said that there is a possiblity of releasing a core game that will be upgraded from time to time.

I think Rockstar see GTA Online as that product already

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