Gang Life in Liberty City

[BossFF007]

Hello, friends. I've made this thread for the people who are interested in gangs in GTA IV, gangs in this game are very underappreciated, as they only play important roles in missions.

[billiejoearmstrong8]

I loooove the gangs in GTA IV. A really awesomely diverse mix of them, hilarious dialogue, and a behaviour system that makes them a lot of fun to mess with/get in fights with. Different parts of the city each have a whole different atmosphere depending on the mix of (or lack of) gang presence in the area, they're a big part of making LC feel so alive and varied. 

 

I particularly like how the way they dress and act is relatively subtle compared to in other GTA games. Mostly plain clothes so you have to pick up on other hints as to who you're dealing with, and mostly keep to themselves unless you bother them, much closer to real life than all dressed head to toe in a colour or going crazy attacking you on sight, and more fitting for LC/New York. 

 

My favourites are the Russians and the Italians - if you hang around them you'll hear some of the most entertaining dialogue in the entire game.

[Cutter De Blanc]

I remember there was this big fat Angel of Death biker who would wander around near Luis' house. I'd often pop off and have to deal with that guy. I never encountered him as Johnny though

Edited November 4, 2020 by Cutter De Blanc

[BossFF007]

8 hours ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

I loooove the gangs in GTA IV. A really awesomely diverse mix of them, hilarious dialogue, and a behaviour system that makes them a lot of fun to mess with/get in fights with. Different parts of the city each have a whole different atmosphere depending on the mix of (or lack of) gang presence in the area, they're a big part of making LC feel so alive and varied. 

 

I particularly like how the way they dress and act is relatively subtle compared to in other GTA games. Mostly plain clothes so you have to pick up on other hints as to who you're dealing with, and mostly keep to themselves unless you bother them, much closer to real life than all dressed head to toe in a colour or going crazy attacking you on sight, and more fitting for LC/New York. 

 

My favourites are the Russians and the Italians - if you hang around them you'll hear some of the most entertaining dialogue in the entire game.

Rockstar made the gang members subtle, I like how they blend in. My favourite gang in GTA IV are the Hustlers. They own the turf of North and East Holland in Algonquin, Firefly projects in Broker and Alderney City in Alderney.

5 minutes ago, Cutter De Blanc said:

I remember there was this big fat Angel of Death biker who would wander around near Luis' house. I never encountered him as Johnny though

Yeah I've seen them, the fat ones with white beard. I always thought they looked like Santa Claus. I don't know if they even exist in TLAD, tbh.

Edited November 4, 2020 by BossFF007

[BossFF007]

The Spanish Lords are a every interesting gang, they share their primary colour with the Vagos, yellow. Manny Escuela used to be in this gang, he wears a black and yellow tracksuit, though it is probably just coincidence. One of the peds for this gang wear a Puerto Rican flag shirt, it kinda looks like Captain America's Torso. 

[billiejoearmstrong8]

3 hours ago, BossFF007 said:

Rockstar made the gang members subtle, I like how they blend in. My favourite gang in GTA IV are the Hustlers. They own the turf of North and East Holland in Algonquin, Firefly projects in Broker and Alderney City in Alderney.

Yeah I've seen them, the fat ones with white beard. I always thought they looked like Santa Claus. I don't know if they even exist in TLAD, tbh.

I like them too, the best Hustler is the one who sometimes says "damn this white boy's strong as f*ck!" if you jack his car lol, and I like how they tend to pull out baseball bats to fight quite often. I also like the Albanian Mob in Little Bay who are always bitching about working for the Italians, talking about smoking (like the Russians do) and sometimes indirectly reference Niko (saying stuff like I can't wait to kill that Serb).

 

Angels of Death are jackasses and always saying ridiculous and gross things making fighting them all the more fun. The Lost are cool in TLAD since if they see you get in a fight they'll run over and fight for you. Italian mafia are hilarious to listen to (and also have particularly high powered weapons, as do the Triads in Chinatown, so you can have some dangerous gunfights with them), Spanish Lords have some great taunts when fighting, the Korean Mob in Alderney City, Irish Mob in Steinway and Jamaican Yardies in Willis/Beechwood CIty (with the best outfits) are all also really cool and distinctive. Every gang in the game is great. Can't beat the Russian mafia with their AKs and shotguns (among other weapons) and awesome dialogue setting the mood in Hove Beach though, the best GTA gang of all time.

Edited November 4, 2020 by billiejoearmstrong8

[BossFF007]

The Spanish Lords play a major role in the beginning of GTA CTW, they're the main enemy of the traids. They all share the same sprite, just a Hispanic with a red jumper and a white shirt under it.

I would've shown images, but I'm still learning how to upload them, sorry.

Should I try to make a territory map, or just say the territories.

[BossFF007]

I'll try to make a territory map.

 

In TLAD, There is a biker gang called Uptown Riders (based off of Ruff Riders), They consist of African-Americans, Malc and DeSean are members of the MC. They have a clubhouse in Northwood - They own the turf of Northwood, North Holland and Hove Beach. They most commonly spawn in Northwood, due to their clubhouse being there, making it their main territory. Their colours are Black, White and Red. They specialize in more newer Sports Bikes, akin to The Lost MC and AOD's intrest in older bikes. Their bikes are the Bati 801, Bati 801RR, Double T, Double T Drag, Hakuchou and the Hakuchou Drag.

Edited November 8, 2020 by BossFF007

[JD101]

In GTA 4 TBoGT, i think i quit from being a member of the Northwood Dominican Drug Dealers. I think i'll go with the North Holland Hustlers. I love Playboy X. And I want to join his team. But, i still help Armando and Henrique

[Cutter De Blanc]

I could never really tell who was a gang member, so I never messed around with them too much. 

 

I remember hanging around Little Italy for a long time before I found somebody I thought might have been a mafia guy

[Bigglo145]

Gta iv gangs are way better than The gangs in gta 5. They didnt just stand in one spot all day, theyd walk around their neighborhood. They shootout with other gangs and cops in gta iv but not in gta 5 smh They are so static and boring in 5. My fav gang from iv was the north holland hustlers because im from harlem and those guys looked like the gangs i used to see back in 2008

[BossFF007]

18 hours ago, Cutter De Blanc said:

I could never really tell who was a gang member, so I never messed around with them too much. 

 

I remember hanging around Little Italy for a long time before I found somebody I thought might have been a mafia guy

It probably was, since it's pretty common to bump into them there.

[JD101]

i kill some Pavano Crime Family gang members and Pegorino Crime Family in drug wars. We go to their drug deals and steal their drugs, and we sell it for good money

[catsmackaroo]

The gangs in IV are cool, there's also a mod to increase how dangerous they are, the mod is called Potential Grim, feel free to give it a shot..

Just note if you're using CE, using the "IV" install crashes the DLCs

[BossFF007]

11 hours ago, catsmackaroo said:

The gangs in IV are cool, there's also a mod to increase how dangerous they are, the mod is called Potential Grim, feel free to give it a shot..

Just note if you're using CE, using the "IV" install crashes the DLCs

Thanks, bro. I'll check it out.

[BossFF007]

Also on the topic of mods, There's this mod that retextures the Hustlers Gang to Grove Street Families, it's epic. Here's the link: 

 

[Lemoyne outlaw]

yes i do think the gangs are cool in this game. and i like the big variety of them. there are certain members from each certain gangs that i like. some people already mentioned fat biker. the santa claus lookalike from the angels. i remember jantsuu made him a character in the living in liberty city videos. and i thought he was awesome. so i would actually go to the aod spawns and look for him.

 

another cool one that i liked was a russian mob guy. he had white hair and was older looking. but he always looked cool to me.

 

the gang that interests me a lot is the triads and koreans. i wish we got more of them. chinatown is one of my favorite districts. i know they got a lot of use in chinatown wars. but since its a top down no dialogue game. it is not as cool as if it was in a main game.

 

i also really liked the whole mafia families and mob wars. and its interesting to think that there is a family that we never even got to see in the game. the lupisella family. it makes it feel like there is so much more to the story then what we got.

 

i really hope the next gta has a lot of gangs like 4. and goes in depth with them. gta 5 did have some cool gangs. but a lot of them were barely used.

[BossFF007]

54 minutes ago, Lemoyne outlaw said:

yes i do think the gangs are cool in this game. and i like the big variety of them. there are certain members from each certain gangs that i like. some people already mentioned fat biker. the santa claus lookalike from the angels. i remember jantsuu made him a character in the living in liberty city videos. and i thought he was awesome. so i would actually go to the aod spawns and look for him.

 

another cool one that i liked was a russian mob guy. he had white hair and was older looking. but he always looked cool to me.

 

the gang that interests me a lot is the triads and koreans. i wish we got more of them. chinatown is one of my favorite districts. i know they got a lot of use in chinatown wars. but since its a top down no dialogue game. it is not as cool as if it was in a main game.

 

i also really liked the whole mafia families and mob wars. and its interesting to think that there is a family that we never even got to see in the game. the lupisella family. it makes it feel like there is so much more to the story then what we got.

 

i really hope the next gta has a lot of gangs like 4. and goes in depth with them. gta 5 did have some cool gangs. but a lot of them were barely used.

I never knew that Lupisella family was never seen, that's a cool fact, I've always loved how GTA IV gangs always had clothes mixed up, so it would look as if there were way more than there actually were, unlike GTA III, VC and SA where gangs just had their own models. 

[billiejoearmstrong8]

1 hour ago, Lemoyne outlaw said:

 

 

another cool one that i liked was a russian mob guy. he had white hair and was older looking. but he always looked cool to me.

 

I think he's the one who always calls Niko a poodle lol. I am also entertained by him. Russian gang members have the best fighting dialogue:

 

 

 

Edited November 16, 2020 by billiejoearmstrong8

[Dimitry Rascalov]

10 hours ago, BossFF007 said:

I never knew that Lupisella family was never seen, that's a cool fact, I've always loved how GTA IV gangs always had clothes mixed up, so it would look as if there were way more than there actually were, unlike GTA III, VC and SA where gangs just had their own models. 

Only 3 of the five families are seen, GTA V gangs were kind of shafted. Yeah there were some fun points to it but it just didn't have the same connection to the characters and story. I mean in my opinion the story was fun but it was really cartoony in the fact that you're taking on government agencies and pulling off these cartoony heists like stealing a nuclear weapon, fighting the army with tanks and stuff it was way too over the top. GTA 4 was more based on the criminal underworld and rather than focusing on heists. I mean you get a little taste here and there with franklins missions and a few of trevors, I hope the next one goes back in depth to crime and working up and through the criminal underworld. I mean you got a pretty good look into all the gangs in GTA 4, V they're just kind of there and don't really serve a purpose.

[KingD19]

Their street activity feels inactive outside of missions so it makes them very forgettable for me I forgot how to identify them unless I’m actually putting time in the game and reading the forums I feel gta 4 put too much time Into mafia and biker gangs that made them overshadow the others  

Edited December 7, 2020 by KingD19

[BossFF007]

19 hours ago, KingD19 said:

Their street activity feels inactive outside of missions so it makes them very forgettable for me I forgot how to identify them unless I’m actually time in the game and reading the forums I feel gta 4 put too much time Into mafia and biker gangs that made them overshadow the others  

True, since the mafia take up most of the missions, nearer to the end of the game, they get the most attention. The Hustlers did get minor attention during the Playboy X and Dwyane missions, but not nearly as much as the Mafia or Russians, the Bikers did get minor attention in GTA IV but in TLAD they got all the attention, because that's the theme of the game obviously, but in TBOGT the Northwood Dominican Drug Dealers got some attention during the Armando and Henrique missions and some drug wars, but not nothing compared to the Mafia or Russians, because those were the main antagonists of the game. So I can see where you come from, since that's almost the whole reason I made this thread, to highlight the Gangs in LC, because they get little to no attention compared to the more organized gangs.

[BossFF007]

I made a territory map in MS paint, so it's probably bad quality.

Edited December 11, 2020 by BossFF007

[Lord Criminal]

On 11/4/2020 at 7:24 PM, Cutter De Blanc said:

I remember there was this big fat Angel of Death biker who would wander around near Luis' house. I'd often pop off and have to deal with that guy. I never encountered him as Johnny though

Yeah, the main game's bikers (including the other AOD bikers and Lost bikers too) don't appear in The Lost and Damned, except for an AOD model that was reskinned for The Lost to appear in some story missions and the Gang Warfare side-mission.

[BossFF007]

On 12/11/2020 at 11:20 PM, iiCriminnaaL 49 said:

Yeah, the main game's bikers (including the other AOD bikers and Lost bikers too) don't appear in The Lost and Damned, except for an AOD model that was reskinned for The Lost to appear in some story missions and the Gang Warfare side-mission.

The fact that they re-textured the AOD skin baffles me, though it could be due to limited models and they couldn't be asked to make a new from scratch, so from that perspective, it makes sense.

I might do a gang list, it will show the mentioned gangs territory, weapons, vehicles and just general info on them. Once I manage to fully work the insert image from URL thing, I'll get right on with it.

[BossFF007]

Spanish Lords

General info

Type: Puerto Rican Street Gang

Weapons: Knife, Glock 17, Micro Uzi, SMG, AK-47

Colours: Gold, Black, White, Colours of Puerto Rican Flag

Cars: Calvacade, Primo, Sabre Turbo (Drug Wars), F620 (Drug Wars), Dukes, Lycan, Sanchez, Burrito (CTW)

Affiliations: Northwood Dominican Drug Dealers, Angels of Death MC, Yardies, Korean Mob

Enemies: Hustlers, Triads (CTW)

Locations: Cerveza Heights, Dukes. (Until 2009) South Bohan, Bohan. Fortside, Bohan. (2009) Boulevard, Bohan. (2009) Chase Point, Bohan. (2009) East Holland, Algonquin. Lancaster, Algonquin. (2009) Alderney City, Alderney.

 

About the gang

The Spanish Lords are a Puerto Rican street gang in GTA IV, they play a decently sized role in the game, mainly in the Elizabeta and Manny missions, Elizabeta is a major figure in the gang, as she supplies them with most of their drugs and is high ranking member. She sends Niko to overlook a deal Packie McReary is doing with the gang, the deal turns out to be an ambush and Niko has to snipe the gang members trying to kill Packie, he does so. Manny Escuela was a former member of the gang, but he turned his life around and tries to bust other gang members selling Drugs. He askes Niko to help him out and he does in exchange for money. Manny's outfit is coincidentally the colours of the Spanish Lords. During Playboy X's leadership of the North Holland Hustlers, he made a deal with the Trunchez brothers, members of the Spanish Lords, which gave them ownership of the Triangle Club. When Dwayne hears about this and meets Niko, he asks Niko to take down the Trunchez brothers, as he originally owned the club and wants it back, Niko does so, giving The Triangle Club back to Dwayne. During the events on GTA: Chinatown Wars, The Spanish Lords have lost the territory of Cerveza Heights but gained the territory of Fortside, Chase Point, Boulevard and Lancaster, they have an on-going feud with the Traids, especially the Lee Family, Wu 'Kenny' Lee asks Huang to either kill members, destroy bases or intrude on deals, to weaken their power. The Spanish Lords are available as possible Drug Dealers.

 

Clothes

There are 3 models of the gang, a bald overweight one, a skinny buzzcut one and a average sized one with cornrows. They wear Black and Gold Puffer Jackets, Black hoodies with two gold stripes going down them and a black and white letterman jacket. They also have a black and yellow letterman jacket. They have baggy t shirts with Puerto Rico insignia on it, Almost resemble a Captain America shirt. They have and outfit with a White or Yellow T shirt, Blue Jeans and Work Boots, they have chains and black and gold necklaces. They wear black or gold head bandanas sometimes with a black, gold or brown cap over it, they also have Puerto Rican Flag head bands. They have black and gold Sneakers and white Trainers.

Edited December 13, 2020 by BossFF007

[JD101]

the North Holland Hustlers is my most favourite gang in the GTA series. I'v been chillin' with them while listening to The Beat 102.7

I always play GTA IV: The Ballad Of Gay Tony and do the "Drug Wars" side mission. We kill gangs and get paid for real.

 

Edited December 13, 2020 by JaeDan 101
it glitched

[JD101]

oh sorry my reply is duplicated, its a glitch

[BossFF007]

On 12/13/2020 at 11:40 PM, JaeDan 101 said:

oh sorry my reply is duplicated, its a glitch

It's cool, bro.

[Mascaracan]

I think gangs in IV are the most well portrayed gangs within the series, I can't add much aside things already said in this thread, they are less identificable as they wear generic clothes, they can be seen driving any vehicle even if it exists some cars that are more common for them to drive, their behaviour is a lot less ridiculous than previous GTAs ones, and there is a big variety of them: Irish, Jamaicans, African-Americans, Spanish Lords, bikers, Russians, Albanians, Mafia...

 

There are even gangs that we don't see within the game, Lupisella family as someone stated before, Messina family which isn't seen until Chinatown Wars, Willy Valerio and Gomez brothers drug crew, also the fact that inside the generic gangs like Jamaicans, Irish, Albanians or blacks there be a bunch of crews: among the Jamaicans, we have Jacob and Badman along with their rivals who we have to kill at the very beggining of the game, we don't really know how many African-American gangs exists apart from Hustlers (obvieting Uptown Riders that were introduced in TLAD in a strange way), it's something I really like, because it let the field really free in order to make fanfics.

 

They implemented the gangs perfectly and almost every gangster character portrayed in the storyline did fit great, I don't understand why in V this was changed considering how much more potential LS has for this, I percive the portrayal of gangs in V as a downgrade, maybe it's me, but I feel these gangs more like its 3D GTAs counterparts, I hate when I attack one gang member and a bunch of red points enlights on my radar representing gangbangers being like five blocks away who for some reason know it was me, it's very more annoying when you just shoot at air at an empty alleyway and the same thing happens.

Edited December 17, 2020 by Mascaracan