GTA 6 Speculation & Discussion [Part 5]

[Badman_]

GTA Tokyo would be pretty cool IMO.

[GRANDHEIST]

If its location first, then story

 

Why was Jorge Consejo in mocap 2014?

 

That pic is still puzzling

[Gentlebreeze]

 

I'm thinking the new heist and summer updates were hints at muti locations this time around. A heist in Tokyo, Liberty City or Los Venturas could be very much possible. 

[Len Lfc]

1 hour ago, GRANDHEIST said:

If its location first, then story

 

Why was Jorge Consejo in mocap 2014?

 

That pic is still puzzling

There's nothing to prove it was for Rockstar. It's just connecting different clues and presuming they're related. They may not be. Or it may have been for GTA Online, and got cancelled. We really don't know.

[GRANDHEIST]

2 hours ago, Len Lfc said:

There's nothing to prove it was for Rockstar. It's just connecting different clues and presuming they're related. They may not be. Or it may have been for GTA Online, and got cancelled. We really don't know.

yes

 

its kinda interesting though that there are such contradicting reports, the media (that article and the Schreier one) indicate that the game is in early development and Yan and Tez say the game is already more than halfway done

 

Could VI's development' been restarted from scratch at some point... that would be little worrying

 

but from those two options, the idea that they hadn't even decided the location of VI in early 2016 just seems more improbable

[ValidTrack]

Part 5. And there is absolutely nothing. Just now realized. 

 

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OGC.393a3ca3a52b6e95ac705f5836983b40&pid=Api&rurl=https%3a%2f%2fmedia.giphy.com%2fmedia%2f116a8zosxwA0SI%2f200.gif&ehk=cN4ZDneYPtNv3eSqsi5A%2fmKPQwQRksP%2bTyEVCkJnFE8%3d

[Len Lfc]

18 minutes ago, GRANDHEIST said:

yes

 

its kinda interesting though that there are such contradicting reports, the media (that article and the Schreier one) indicate that the game is in early development and Yan and Tez say the game is already more than halfway done

 

Could VI's development' been restarted from scratch at some point... that would be little worrying

 

but from those two options, the idea that they hadn't even decided the location of VI in early 2016 just seems more improbable

I respect Yan and Tez just as much as anyone. Great people, nothing bad to say about them. But the 60% - 70% figure they gave, as of April 2020 just doesn't add up to me.

I said it last year, dig through old threads or my post history, etc. But I have theorized that GTA VI's original concept may have been scrapped after GTA Online blew up in popularity.

 

But, for me. the reality is that they just wouldn't be working on GTA VI in full development until 2018 as RDR2 is wrapping up. So that game definitely is (or was when he said it) early in development. If you presume they take 5 years to develop a game, and RDR2 was only a year and a half old at that point. Then they wouldn't be halfway there. Theoretically. So it adds up. Especially if they'd made the decision to make it next-gen only.

 

I don't think it's improbably they hadn't settled on a location as of 2016. I think they may have had an idea, then Online blew up, and they knew they'd be working on RDR2 with all their studios (Rockstar Studios) so they took a little time to sit on it and contemplate? 

 

Look, at the end of the day, it's been over 7 years since GTA V released. And we still haven't had an announcement. So the idea that it was potentially 70% complete 8 months ago, or that they MUST'VE picked a location over 4 years ago is a little crazy. There has to be a reason. And maybe that reason is pretty simple: They were just focussed on RDR2, and wanted to take their time with what they did next, with the next GTA.

 

I'd trust reports from reliable journalists over alleged insiders or ex leakers. What Yan or Tez heard may have been inaccurate, outdated, or a flat out lie for all we know. Maybe even misinterpreted. I've no idea. But Jason Schreier is as reliable as they come.  Was kinda' funny seeing all the GTA fans get angry and insulting him after he broke that news lol. Conveniently, however. It matches with what I've been saying for the past 2 years. So there's that 🤷‍♂️

[Len Lfc]

9 minutes ago, ValidTrack said:

Part 5. And there is absolutely nothing. Just now realized. 

 

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OGC.393a3ca3a52b6e95ac705f5836983b40&pid=Api&rurl=https%3a%2f%2fmedia.giphy.com%2fmedia%2f116a8zosxwA0SI%2f200.gif&ehk=cN4ZDneYPtNv3eSqsi5A%2fmKPQwQRksP%2bTyEVCkJnFE8%3d

2021 is the year where we hear about GTA VI, one way or another. Stick with it 👍

[TheEggman]

Guys I'm no game developer but I was wondering if for the development of gta 6, Rockstar would need to buy/ liscense tons of software that would become useless once the game releases

[Space Cowboy]

14 minutes ago, Len Lfc said:

I respect Yan and Tez just as much as anyone. Great people, nothing bad to say about them. But the 60% - 70% figure they gave, as of April 2020 just doesn't add up to me.

I said it last year, dig through old threads or my post history, etc. But I have theorized that GTA VI's original concept may have been scrapped after GTA Online blew up in popularity.

It's entirely possible that the original Project Americas leak was right and VI was indeed planned for a 2021/2022 release, and if that is true, then 60% - 70% figure seems perfectly reasonable. But that was back in early 2018, a lot of things happened since then, most notably Dan Houser's departure from Rockstar, many of the veterans leaving (a few that were still there lol) and also the overall change of management at Rockstar that the Kotaku article mentions. All these things can delay the game significantly. But didn't Jason Schreier say at one point, after this article that he expects to see the game being released in late 2022 (I could be misremembering) ? Maybe it's not in such a bad state after all even if the game is being reworked right now.

[MrQuiche]

21 minutes ago, TheEggman said:

Guys I'm no game developer but I was wondering if for the development of gta 6, Rockstar would need to buy/ liscense tons of software that would become useless once the game releases

well they license some stuff yeah but it's rarely software since they have their own but they can and they did in the past but no they don't become useless since they're hard coded into the game but i don't think i understand what you mean by useless

[Kris194]

31 minutes ago, TheEggman said:

Guys I'm no game developer but I was wondering if for the development of gta 6, Rockstar would need to buy/ liscense tons of software that would become useless once the game releases

They know what would be best for next GTA and if it will require to license a bunch of software then they will do this. They were the first to bring Euphoria to their games when we didn't even dream about it.

[Len Lfc]

56 minutes ago, 0909090 said:

It's entirely possible that the original Project Americas leak was right and VI was indeed planned for a 2021/2022 release, and if that is true, then 60% - 70% figure seems perfectly reasonable. But that was back in early 2018, a lot of things happened since then, most notably Dan Houser's departure from Rockstar, many of the veterans leaving (a few that were still there lol) and also the overall change of management at Rockstar that the Kotaku article mentions. All these things can delay the game significantly. But didn't Jason Schreier say at one point, after this article that he expects to see the game being released in late 2022 (I could be misremembering) ? Maybe it's not in such a bad state after all even if the game is being reworked right now.

Well even in the Project Americas leak, they say it was in the early stages of development still. Which makes sense. I think the point at which GTA VI MAY have been scrapped and changed would have been much earlier. Say 2015?

 

 

And yeah, Jason said on a podcast he expects it around 2022/23. Which is what I expected, too. Pre COVID-19. But that doesn't account for the delays which would push it to 2023. Because duh, of course Rockstars next game gets delayed. They always do.

 

https://tripleclick.simplecast.com/episodes/sony-shows-a-bunch-of-ps5-games-guCOREDU About 5 minutes in.

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I will say, that I know a lot of people out there, especially a lot of ravid GTA fans, probably skewing younger have been upset because I said that GTA 6 was in kinda early development and won’t be out for another few years.

I think GTA 5 coming out next year to PS5 isn't evidence of that, then like I don’t know what else they'll believe

Because GTA 6 is a ways away. Like, I wouldn’t expect that game until maybe the end of 2022, 2023. I think is more realistic for a game like that.

It's just his best guess. Which is what most of us here are doing. And how I came to my own conclusions. 

Edited December 27, 2020 by Len Lfc

[EGA_6]

when I hear "a ways away" I don't assume 2-3 years but 4-5 years. But yeah, 2023/2024 is a pretty safe guess. 

[Len Lfc]

7 minutes ago, EliteGamer_6 said:

when I hear "a ways away" I don't assume 2-3 years but 4-5 years. But yeah, 2023/2024 is a pretty safe guess. 

Yeah. But people speak differently. 3 years is still a long time if you're eagerly awaiting a new game. Especially if it's already been 7 years...

 

Edited December 27, 2020 by Len Lfc

[seth297]

i want two locations no excuses from rockstar on this . 

 

it will likely be miami/south florida but as someone who has researched south florida i debate whether this would be a good sandbox map

 

all it would be is swamps or a larger lemoyne from rdr 2. 

 

which is meh to me gta v is a good map because of its diversity forests mountains desserts etc . 

no coutryside two cites i would take that everyday of the week. 

 

liberty and vice would be perfect even as two  islands divided by water like that fake map a while back. 

 

i have faith this could happen for two reasons . 

 

one if this is a smaller tittle like jason s said it could be a smaller map vice and liberty city even if say they are say both the size of los santos thats a smaller map still. 

 

and one of only two leaks i can say at least 99 percent is true the scouting letter leak the woman in that leak said there were scouting florida and other south east states which new york and new jersey fall under yes you would be using the gta 4 map largely again but after 12 plus years its needs a facelift so that would make sense . 

 

 

 

 

[Badman_]

I've been saying for months that the game will be released in 2023, but I'm not even as certain as I used to be about it. Not just because of Covid but also because of the recents events around GTA Online and the GTA V remaster for PS5.

 

I think Rockstar is not the same company of 2-3 years ago and it's difficult to forseen what they are planning now.

[EGA_6]

27 minutes ago, seth297 said:

 there were scouting florida and other south east states which new york and new jersey fall under

 

 

 

 

That is not true. Southeastern states would be something like Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisianna, and other states in the southeast. New York falls in the northeastern states. I think you might've misunderstood it as "south and eastern states" but she was referring to it as "other states in the southeast".

Edited December 27, 2020 by EliteGamer_6

[Len Lfc]

20 minutes ago, EliteGamer_6 said:

That is not true. Southeastern states would be something like Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisianna, and other states in the southeast. New York falls in the northeastern states. I think you might've misunderstood it as "south and eastern states" but she was referring to it as "other states in the southeast".

 

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Recently as you're aware we've had a change in the types of productions that are coming to our state. So I've also been very fotunate to get a large client that has hired me to arrange basically site tours and visits. It's uh digital media company. And I've signed an NDA so I can't disclose who it is. But they've been exploring various areas of our state, and of other states in the south east. And I've been planning and arranging those visits for their personnel and that's been kind of a very interesting expansion of what I normally do, as well.

However, that being said. I think it's just going to be Florida and bordering states. Likely similar to what RDR2 did, and will have surrounding countryside that takes inspiration from nearby locations, all condensed into a much smaller map.

[CASH_BONE]

41 minutes ago, seth297 said:

i want two locations no excuses from rockstar on this .

That's some peak gamer entitlement right there.

 

Maybe Rockstar don't want to have 2 locations have you ever thought of that.

[Pendrive]

38 minutes ago, The Wolf Man said:

I've been saying for months that the game will be released in 2023, but I'm not even as certain as I used to be about it. Not just because of Covid but also because of the recents events around GTA Online and the GTA V remaster for PS5.

 

I think Rockstar is not the same company of 2-3 years ago and it's difficult to forseen what they are planning now.

 

Rockstar is a big studio and I don't think the gta 5 ps5 version has much impact on their future projects.

[Tez2]

On 12/24/2020 at 3:22 PM, Orthur The Boah said:

Here we go again with the same "7 years" argument lol.

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I think he's a bit off with the initial year of the pre-production stage. The Houser brothers are known to start discussing the next title, when their latest game has just released.

 

When GTAV released, RDR2 transitioned to full production, most likely a few months prior to that, it is stated that the mocap recording sessions began in the same year. So, if the Housers were to bring up the discussion of "what's next" during that time, it would most likely revolve around GTAVI. My guess is that the pre-production phase may have started way earlier than that, as far as I recall there was that 2012 document that mentioned the next GTA being in pre-production, I still think it would have taken them a bit more time than usual, possibly going all the way till 2014 or 2015. They would choose a new setting, a new map and stuff like that, but the engine remains the same with minor or major overhauls along the way. So, I don't see them spending much time stuck within pre-production if they were to stick to the same cycle of iteration, of taking the latest big game base code and improving on it.

Edited December 28, 2020 by Tez2

[Len Lfc]

5 minutes ago, Tez2 said:

it is stated that the mocap recording sessions began in the same year.

Roger Clark started acting in August 2013 👍

[Zello]

18 minutes ago, CASH_BONE said:

That's some peak gamer entitlement right there.

 

Maybe Rockstar don't want to have 2 locations have you ever thought of that.

Yeah I still don't get this obsession with having multiple locations and big ass maps. I'm fine with just 1 large detailed city/metro area.

[Zapper]

8 minutes ago, Len Lfc said:

Roger Clark started acting in August 2013 👍

Yeah, Consejo's resume said GTAVI, 2018 on it. It's very much possible a separate started working from spring 2018 fulltime, when RDR2 was delayed for the second time.

[Zapper]

21 minutes ago, Pendrive said:

Rockstar is a big studio and I don't think the gta 5 ps5 version has much impact on their future projects.

There's a good chance Ruffian Games was handling it before they became Rockstar Dundee. Their job descriptions mentioned remastering of legacy UI systems, online multiplayer, so it's not very far fetched idea.

[Len Lfc]

2 minutes ago, Zapper said:

Yeah, Consejo's resume said GTAVI, 2018 on it. It's very much possible a separate started working from spring 2018 fulltime, when RDR2 was delayed for the second time.

Well, 2018 was there in 2017. The (2018) signified the release date. Which we know was the presumed release date. So that begs the question did he even know what he was working on? Did he presume it was GTA VI? Was it even true, or was it just for a bit of publicity or something? maybe it was GTA Online. maybe it was RDR2, and he was cut for leaking his involvement. I don't know. It's just highly suspicious...

Just now, Zapper said:

There's a good chance Ruffian Games was handling it before they became Rockstar Dundee. Their job descriptions mentioned remastering of legacy UI systems, online multiplayer, so it's not very far fetched idea.

They absolutely are. I'm 99.9% certain they are.

[Zello]

 

Whole time this is Jorge Consejo's part in GTA VI. Not a protagonist, not even a supporting character just a very small minor NPC lmao.

 

Edited December 28, 2020 by Zello

[docpain222]

28 minutes ago, Tez2 said:

I think he's a bit off with the initial year of the pre-production stage. The Houser brothers are known to start discussing the next title, when their latest game has just released.

 

When GTAV released, RDR2 transitioned to full production, most likely a few months prior to that, it is stated that the mocap recording sessions began in the same year. So, if the Housers were to bring up the discussion of "what's next" during that time, it would most likely revolve around GTAVI. My guess is that the pre-production phase may have started way earlier than that, as far as I recall there was that 2012 document that mentioned the next GTA being in pre-production, I still think it would have taken them a bit more time than usual, possibly going all the way till 2014 or 2015. They would choose a new setting, a new map and stuff like that, but the engine remains the same with minor or major overhauls along the way. So, I don't see them spending much time stuck within pre-production if they were to stick to the same cycle of iteration, of taking the latest big game base code and improving on it.

So let's say they started it in 2015 (worst case possible). We are approaching 6 years of production on gta vi. At this rate, if we get an announcement October of this year, and a roughly 2 year gap from announcement to release, that puts us at 2023 release. Thats a minimum of 8 years to produce gta vi. To me that seems a bit long. I have no clue how it works to build a game, then have new consoles come out, and have to adapt what has already been made to fit to these new consoles. I won guess that alone takes a year to do. And, add in the issues of 2020, this could push the game out an additional year possibly. 

[Len Lfc]

"The Mexican" Could have easily been a 'Stranger' character for RDR2, that was cut.