GTA 6 Speculation & Discussion [Part 5]

[Zapper]

This thread has turned from bootleg CP2077 thread to 80s vs Present thread ... again! 

[testarossa 86]

5 hours ago, CoryLVV said:

 

 

It blows my mind that GTAVI being in VC in the 80s is being doubted because it was done on a PS2 game almost 20 years ago. VC in this generation would feel completely different, the technology leap since then has been extreme. 

  

I agree 100%.

GTA VI in the 1980s does not seem out of reach.

I myself would much rather see a 1980s Vice City than modern.

The last 2 titles were set in the modern day to it's time of release.

It would be the first title in the HD universe to finally go back in time.

the 1980s does not stop the game from having an amazing story or Online mode.

Red Dead Redemption 2, the game is set before cars existed and still manages to have one of the best stories in a video game.

as well as a (debatable) decent online game mode.

 

it's been said that GTA Vice City was "much about the era as the setting."

I know Leslie Benzies is not with the company anymore, but he once said "Miami in the 1980's is so iconic it would feel stranger to revisit the city in a different time period." in 2012 interview.

 

Stranger Things, a Netflix series set in the 1980s. the show practically indulges itself with anything 80s and everyone loves it.

the question is, would the show be as popular if it was set in the modern day?

the 1980s is super popular in pop culture, it would make sense to produce a game while the 1980s craze is still alive and well.

essentially anything 1980s these days sells like crazy.

 

 

Edited January 5, 2021 by testarossa 86

[Zello]

5 hours ago, WombR4aid3r said:

GTA 6 should do something that has never been done before, yes we can have drug trafficking and sh*te like that. Imo I would like GTA 6 to focus on something new like human trafficking considering Florida ranks third in human trafficking cases in the world.

Human trafficking would just be a terrible idea. 

 

If you want something new Arms trafficking would be much better. Selling guns to different groups and having to deal with the ATF coming after you.

[testarossa 86]

5 hours ago, Muramasa1794 said:

Exactly it would be repetitive. Already built a drug empire as Vercetti already. As a flashback sequence in GTA VI however wouldn’t mind.

applying the same logic here,

we already became the best cowboy in first Red Dead Redemption, yet Red Dead Redemption 2 was still made, somewhat identical games; just one is graphically better than the other.

the point is, GTA Vice City came out in 2002; how would a brand new modern game set in 80s Vice City with a map as big or bigger than GTA V's map feel repetitive in any way?

Edited January 5, 2021 by testarossa 86

[Len Lfc]

2 minutes ago, testarossa 86 said:

the point is, how would a 2002 game feel repetitive to a brand new modern game set in 80s Vice City with a map as big or bigger than GTA V's map?

Also, a large portion of GTA VI's players won't even have been born when Vice City released. Let alone played it. How many of GTA Online's players played GTA IV? What about GTA III?

[Zello]

I'm just gonna quote the great @The Coconut Kid his ideas and views for 1980s Vice City are the reason why I really want a game set in the 80s.

On 7/10/2019 at 3:40 AM, The Coconut Kid said:

The consensus seems to be that Vice City has been done twice before in the 1980s and it can't really be done any different. I can't agree with this. I think the idea of a return to the 80s and Vice City persists in the minds of people because the time and location are even more relevant to current events than ever. This is something Rockstar can capitalize on.

 

We have all brought up the cocaine trade and fast cars but let's take another look at why another Vice City in the 80s could work.

 

Think of South Florida in the 1980s as a window into the social and political problems that we're experiencing in present day. Rockstar are reluctant to release GTAVI because current events are too progressive/batsh*t insane to work with the traditional GTA formula -- in Dan Houser's words it would "be out of date in two minutes". Vice City during the 80s would allow them to be just as critical with their social commentary -- perhaps even more so than a game set in modern day Vice City would. It would also allow them to strike a good balance between crime and culture in my opinion, which is a great point that was made on the previous page.

 

Here's how 1980s Vice City can match modern day pound-for-pound.

 

I think it's fair to say Donald Trump is the person/topic that Rockstar want to satirize the most. But they're right: his presidency is too unpredictable to pin down in a video game. They should target his characteristics and public persona instead, and the 1980s are when he cultivated himself and his political beliefs the most.

 

Trump made Florida his home in the mid-80s -- he lived in an exclusive community in Palm Beach, not too distant from Miami. Here's a picture of him in his mansion dressed like Scarface. Around the same time he released his famous book "Art of the Deal," which places him as the protagonist of the Greed is Good era, and began to promote himself as someone capable of running for president. The policies that got Trump elected in 2016 were shaped in the late 80s -- this would allow Rockstar to get the measure of him and tear them to bits, if they wish, without any of the backlash that might come from an outright parody.

 

There are also all the shady real estate deals, the involvement with the Mafia, and his sleazy history on the rich-man party circuit -- but that's just regular President stuff they haven't shied away from in the past.

 

Deeper social commentary, like refugees, black lives matter, also has its place in 1980s Vice City.

 

There are the 1980 Liberty City riots, the worst of the 20th century until the L.A. riots, after a group of police officers beat to death a black man who was leading them on a pursuit on a motorbike and attempted to cover it up. The officers were acquitted (by an all-white jury) and for three days Miami burned. Over $100 million in damage. Two years later saw the Overtown Riots of 1982, when police shot dead a black courier in a video game arcade, and there were also riots in 1989 when police shot and killed a man and his passenger who were fleeing on a motorbike. Again, the officer was acquitted. There was a pattern of police brutality (and well documented corruption) in Miami during the 1980s that Rockstar could draw from similar to how Mafia III drew so well from the segregated south for their Civil Rights era New Orleans.

 

We all loved Ocean Drive in Vice City. But if you were black, in 1986, and were out after 10pm, you were arrested on charges of loitering, given a serve by police if you questioned them and dumped naked in Overtown or Liberty City. This was a tactic supported by the Mayor of Miami Beach at the time, who confessed to joining in on the beatings.

Treatment of refugees could be approached through the Haitians that were held in a detention center on the outskirts of the Everglades for a number of years, with the United States favoured approach being to ship them back off to Haiti. The source of the real conflict between the Cubans and Haitians was that the Cubans, when they arrived as refugees in 1980, were allowed to assimilate into Miami (and other areas of the country). The Haitians, for reasons that they were black and poor, were not. They were accused of bringing HIV/AIDS into the United States at a time when attitudes were very different. They were washing up dead on Miami Beach after Coast Guard boats refused to save their rafts at sea.

 

There is the recruitment and training of refugees (Cubans, Nicaraguans) as government mercenaries in the swamps. If you were willing to fight for the U.S. backed Contras against the Sandinista government of Nicaragua, you were trained by the CIA. During the U.S. support of the Contras, at the height of the 'War on Drugs', the Contras were actively helping the Medellin Cartel (Pablo Escobar) smuggle cocaine into Florida. Some say the CIA was directly involved in this themselves. Many of those who went overseas to fight in these conflicts returned to Miami and marketed their CIA training to crime bosses who put their skills to good use in the drug trade.

 

The drug trade was much more than cocaine -- and bear in mind that this was almost completely missing from the original Vice City. Crack Cocaine exploded in the mid-1980s and completely devastated Miami and the surrounding counties. The Sicilian Mafia were shipping heroin into Miami from the Bahamas and there were organized heroin syndicates in Overtown and Liberty City. The Canadian Mafia ran the Quaalude business from South Florida and were locked in turf wars with the American Mafia for control of it. MDMA (Ecstasy) was made illegal in 1985 and trade boomed. None of this was touched upon in either Vice City game and could provide the basis not only for a next-gen drug dealing feature but the very foundations of the gangs we see in HD GTA's past, present and future.

 

It also involved the corruption and complicity of several governments -- without which, the transportation of cocaine would never have been possible. Locations such as the Bahamas, the Caribbean, Cuba, Haiti and beyond should also be considered as possible locations alongside Vice City in a next-gen game.

In missing out on the drug trade in the Vice City games we also missed out on the 'War on Drugs' -- the multi-million dollar effort by Reagan and Bush to combat the entry of drugs into the United States. This involved the most sophisticated anti-drug measures of the time -- radar balloons in the Florida keys, radar drug planes patrolling Florida, the Caribbean and the coast of Puerto Rico, co-operation between several governments agencies (FBI, DEA, ATF, Coast Guard, Customs) and the Coast Guard getting a fleet of speedboats made by a champion racer who sold a fleet of slightly faster boats to the drug smugglers themselves. It also involved the U.S. military taking action in Bolivia in 1986 and assisting Mexico in dumping toxic pesticide on marijuana crops, both of which ruined an untold number of lives and failed to achieve a thing.

 

The 'War on Drugs' can also be linked to the issue of prisons for profit -- the insane rate of incarceration that we see today in the United States. President Reagan, in 1986, put forward mandatory minimum sentences of 5 years for possession of small amounts of crack cocaine (think personal use amounts) and supplied millions of dollars for the funding of new prisons -- all while slashing education budgets. To get a mandatory minimum for possessing cocaine -- a respectable, rich persons drug -- you needed to be caught with 5 kilos of the stuff. Prison populations soared in the years that followed.

 

It wasn't just all about the drug trade in Miami, either. The 1986 FBI shootout was the culmination of a string of armed robberies that led to a run and gun shootout through suburban Miami. Money laundering necessitated that smuggling huge amounts of money out of the country was just as important as smuggling drugs into the county. Organized home invasion and kidnapping syndicates formed to take their slice of the sheer amount of cash that was moving around Florida at the time. And, of course, the Mafia were present in Florida, doing all of their stereotypical extortion, gambling, loan sharking and fraud businesses.

 

Finally, there were violent political groups that roamed Miami during the 1980s. Omega 7 were one of them. They were a Cuban anti-Castro organization that detonated bombs throughout Little Havana and actively planned assassinations on political figures, including an incident very similar to the scene in Scarface where a bomb is placed under a diplomat's car. There were Haitian government figures who terrorized the Little Haiti enclave with a similar series of bombings and arson attacks aimed at people who criticized "Baby Doc". There were the KKK, who tried (and failed) to establish a presence in Florida following the Liberty City Riots and influx of refugees.

 

When we're considering a return to Vice City in the 1980s, we shouldn't just think of the good things we had in the previous two games and how that would kind of be a safe bet. We should look at where Rockstar can push the boundaries and evolve the series too.

 

[Vice Cit]

20 minutes ago, Len Lfc said:

Also, a large portion of GTA VI's players won't even have been born when Vice City released. Let alone played it. How many of GTA Online's players played GTA IV? What about GTA III?

 

This was my point when I was going back and forth with Chrome, probably half the people viewing this thread right now are younger than Vice City. I was like three when it came out and I'm 22 now, my dad was a big GTA fan so I ended up playing VC and everything after it up until now.

 

Combine the fact of a ton of the new generation of players not even playing VC with the huge leap in technology and I see no problem with going back to VC. GTAV took our breath away when it first came out and the graphics (kind of) hold up even today. GTAVI is gonna to drop our jaws. 

[Zapper]

@Gta6 fan

f*ck is wrong with you kid?

 

Edit : Blocked the incel

Edited January 5, 2021 by Zapper

[Vice Cit]

 

Jesus dude what a deal.

 

Edit: bought the $9 package that came with VC, SA, and III

Edited January 5, 2021 by CoryLVV

[Zello]

This wait has been too long. I just hope that for the GTA after VI that it isn't even longer imagine having to wait 16 years for the next GTA

[Vice Cit]

4 minutes ago, Zello said:

This wait has been too long. I just hope that for the GTA after VI that it isn't even longer imagine having to wait 16 years for the next GTA

 

We'll all probably have kids by the time GTAVII comes out is the crazy thing to think about.

[testarossa 86]

39 minutes ago, CoryLVV said:

 

This was my point when I was going back and forth with Chrome, probably half the people viewing this thread right now are younger than Vice City. I was like three when it came out and I'm 22 now, my dad was a big GTA fan so I ended up playing VC and everything after it up until now.

 

Combine the fact of a ton of the new generation of players not even playing VC with the huge leap in technology and I see no problem with going back to VC. GTAV took our breath away when it first came out and the graphics (kind of) hold up even today. GTAVI is gonna to drop our jaws. 

yep.

some are steered away from playing the original GTA's such as III and VC for many reasons; out of date controls, game not compatible with their system (some have reported the games to be buggy on Windows 10, and other hardware)

in early 2020, Take-Two announced GTA V has sold over 120 million copies since the release.

it was said that GTA: VC sold nearly 18 million copies as of March 2008.

that's 15% of GTA V's sales. so let's assume sales has maybe doubled since 2008, that's still only 30% of people that may of played both GTA V and GTA: Vice City.

of course you could factor in the game was bought two times for many from Xbox 360/PS3 to PS4/Xbox One.

I believe by the time the game was released for PS4/Xbox One, GTA V on Xbox 360/PS3 has sold a little over 30 million copies.

so you could subtract that as well.

Edited January 5, 2021 by testarossa 86

[wise_man]

If is true that GTA VI sets in 80's, maybe R* didn't announce it last year because of COD Cold War and Wonder Woman 84 (both also set in the 80's).

[Zello]

8 minutes ago, testarossa 86 said:

yep.

some are steered away from playing the original GTA's such as III and VC for many reasons; out of date controls, game not compatible with their system (some have reported the games to be buggy on Windows 10, and other hardware)

VCS and LCS were also Sony exclusives. With LCS being the only one that came to phones. VCS did not. You also can't play either of them on PC (Unless you figure out how to use an emulator). Unfortunately Sony doesn't really care about PS2 games anymore so aside from the classic III era games III,VC, and SA that made it to PS4/PS5. VCS and LCS missed the cut and aren't playable on there either they are however available on PS3 but idk who still uses a PS3. I'm still pissed that they were rated by the ESRB a few years ago but then it all disappeared such a big tease for nothing.

 

Edited January 5, 2021 by Zello

[Vice Cit]

1 minute ago, testarossa 86 said:

yep.

some are steered away from playing the original GTA's such as III and VC for many reasons; out of date controls, game not compatible with their system (some have reported the games to be buggy on Windows 10, and other hardware)

in early 2020, Take-Two announced GTA V has sold over 120 million copies since the release.

it was said that GTA: VC sold nearly 18 million copies as of March 2008.

that's 15% of GTA V's sales. so let's assume sales has maybe doubled since 2008, that's still only 30% of people that may of played both GTA V and GTA: Vice City.

of course you could factor in the game was bought two times for many from Xbox 360/PS3 to PS4/Xbox One.

I believe by the time the game was released for PS4/Xbox One, GTA V on Xbox 360/PS3 has sold a little over 30 million copies.

so you could subject that as well.

 

There's been sales by Playstation and steam that I know of that package VC and SA so adding millions to the 2008 number is definitely reasonable but is still a tiny portion of modern day GTA players.

As for it being buggy on windows 10 we're about to find out

 

[wise_man]

2 minutes ago, CoryLVV said:

 

There's been sales by Playstation and steam that I know of that package VC and SA so adding millions to the 2008 number is definitely reasonable but is still a tiny portion of modern day GTA players.

As for it being buggy on windows 10 we're about to find out

 

Tell me, from scale of Fallout 76 to Cyberpunk 2077, how buggy it is?

[Vice Cit]

3 minutes ago, wise_man said:

Tell me, from scale of Fallout 76 to Cyberpunk 2077, how buggy it is?

 

Haven't even gotten the game to open yet, tells me it needs to install DirectPlay and then just sits there searching for the files.

 

Edit:

Edited January 5, 2021 by CoryLVV

[IS90]

After the MISBHV clothing, I think we're gonna see real brands and ads in the game. Remember when Zelnick wanted to have real ads in the game? Well, we're going there.

[Zello]

5 minutes ago, IS90 said:

After the MISBHV clothing, I think we're gonna see real brands and ads in the game. Remember when Zelnick wanted to have real ads in the game? Well, we're going there.

No thanks. I'd rather we stay with the fake brands and ads it's what makes GTA, GTA. But speaking of clothes I'm disappointed with the brands that we do have like Zip, Binco, Pro laps, I feel like they should have done more with them and gave us even more clothing options.

 

I also hate the fact that Michael, Franklin, and Trevor can't wear certain clothes. I also hate the clothing restrictions you can't wear certain pants with certain shoes and so on. Look Rockstar If I want to look like an idiot let me look like an idiot okay.

Edited January 5, 2021 by Zello

[Vice Cit]

5 minutes ago, IS90 said:

After the MISBHV clothing, I think we're gonna see real brands and ads in the game. Remember when Zelnick wanted to have real ads in the game? Well, we're going there.

 

I don't see a reason for them putting real ads in GTA unless a brand is willing to pay a huge chunk of money, which I don't think would be worth it to any brand.

 

Update: Still trying to get DirectPlay installed

[testarossa 86]

17 minutes ago, Zello said:

This wait has been too long. I just hope that for the GTA after VI that it isn't even longer imagine having to wait 16 years for the next GTA

yeah the next installment after GTA VI is going to be a long while.

I could see them releasing Bully 2, maybe a new Red Dead game, or even a Midnight Club game/remaster before we see anything related to GTA 7.

by the time GTA 7 comes out, hardware would be much different and powerful; we could see multiple major cities in one game, but it's wayyyyyyyyyyyy too early to be discussing that.

[Zello]

Watch it take 40 years

[Vice Cit]

3 minutes ago, testarossa 86 said:

yeah the next installment after GTA VI is going to be a long while.

I could see them releasing Bully 2, maybe a new Red Dead game, or even a Midnight Club game/remaster before we see anything related to GTA 7.

by the time GTA 7 comes out, hardware would be much different and powerful; we could see multiple major cities in one game, but it's wayyyyyyyyyyyy too early to be discussing that.

 

Acting like Sernandoe wasn't sent a copy of GTAVII early

[wise_man]

And that's why, like it or not, we have to be grateful when GTA VI finally playable.

[testarossa 86]

10 minutes ago, IS90 said:

After the MISBHV clothing, I think we're gonna see real brands and ads in the game. Remember when Zelnick wanted to have real ads in the game? Well, we're going there.

there seems to be an exception with real life stuff that involves musicians/celebrities.

it first started with the radio hosts/guests on the in-game radio; many of them use their real names/stage names.

we also saw big names such as Dr. Dre and Scott Storch in the recent Cayo Perico DLC.

it seems MISBHV and Civilist both collaborated with Keinemusik to make merch in real life; perhaps Rockstar felt to replicate it in-game as a way to support the artist someway.

 

as for Zelnick wanting real ads; to be honest coming from him, that does not surprise me. just more money in his pocket.

 

 

 

[Orthur]

2 hours ago, Zello said:

AIDS would add more stuff in the background and to the world. Rockstar could parody a lot of jokes around it like closing pools because of AIDS, characters would have it or be suspected of having it, the radio personalities talking about it.

GTA VI spoilers, read at your own risk ;

Spoiler

Our protagonist gets aids from aforementioned 80s hookers and dies. 

 

#itsawwabootthishaggin'

 

[Vice Cit]

Just now, testarossa 86 said:

there seems to be an exception with real life stuff that involves musicians/celebrities.

it first started with the radio hosts/guests on the in-game radio; many of them use their real names/stage names.

we also saw big names such as Dr. Dre and Scott Storch in the recent Cayo Perico DLC.

it seems MISBHV and Civilist both collaborated with Keinemusik to make merch in real life; perhaps Rockstar felt to replicate it in-game as a way to support the artist someway.

 

as for Zelnick wanting real ads; to be honest coming from him, that does not surprise me. just more money in his pocket.

 

 

 

 

Dre in the cutscene was so cool, I hadn't watched any videos or anything on the DLC until I saw it first for myself.

 

Update: Still trying to get DirectPlay to work.

[wise_man]

Spoiler

Arthur Morgan died from Tubercolosis

GTA VI protagonist died from AIDS

 

How far have we fallen?

 

[Vice Cit]

5 minutes ago, wise_man said:

  Hide contents

Arthur Morgan died from Tubercolosis

GTA VI protagonist died from AIDS

 

How far have we fallen?

 

 

Wtf dude I haven't played RDR2 yet

[wise_man]

3 minutes ago, CoryLVV said:

Wtf dude I haven't played RDR2 yet

Damn it, sorry for the spoiler.