That Thread about US current events

[itsallup]

I know how it works I live in florida and I was born here but in brazil there is no error because each candidate has a number and after you type the number it shows you the candidates picture name and party and asks you to confirm. So trust me it is flawless and impossible to make mistakes.

 

No offense to patriotism but for military serving abroad there are embassies where machines could be placed. 
 

Im not a trump supporter my point here is that I think voting system here still is a bit outdated.

[LegitimatePride]

As someone who doesn't like neither Trump nor Biden, I honestly find it disgusting that the media is being really biased to the point of censoring the voices of those that are sceptical about the election results, especially when there's a yet-unresolved legal battle in progress. Even if it's true that the election was secure and there was absolutely 0 fraud, people should be allowed to voice their concerns, the fact that there's supression of voices in this day and age and it's being normalized right now shows there's something wrong with us. 

 

Imo, whoever you support doesn't matter, big tech censorship should not be something condoned by anyone, unlike how it's sadly right now.

Edited November 30, 2020 by LegitimatePride

[sivispacem]

1 hour ago, Inttelix said:

I dont see how a piece of paper could be less fraudulent than a digital secure software system.

Several reasons:

 

1) The infrastructure underlying electronic voting adds significant complexity and opportunities for fraud that simply don't exist in paper based balloting where the entire process is directly overseen by observers.

2) Methods of identity verification outside of ID checks are typically weaker (for instance, greater leniency in signature matching to accommodate for larger deviances because people are less used to signing using digital mechanisms)

3) Lack of effective forensic auditing trails to allow retrospective analysis

4) General lack of security best practices in the companies that build and operate electronic voting equipment, including poor development practices in the software side, lack of emphasis on secure architecture or design, and a reliance on third party network providers to actually transmit data.

 

Several European countries evaluated then abandoned electronic voting due to higher error rates.

 

44 minutes ago, LegitimatePride said:

I honestly find it disgusting that the media is being really biased to the point of censoring the voices of those that are sceptical about the election results, especially when there's a yet-unresolved legal battle in progress. 

 The media is simply reporting reality; that there has so far been no actual evidence of fraud presented is a categorical fact. The responsibility of news media is, or more accurately should be, to report events in an accurate and timely manner, not to give equal credence, or even exposure, to claims of fraud which have zero factual merit.

[LegitimatePride]

17 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

 

Why did you ignore my comment about people being unfairly censored for questioning the election results? I mean, I was sure you would do it... but why?

Edited November 30, 2020 by LegitimatePride

[itsallup]

56 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

Several reasons:

 

1) The infrastructure underlying electronic voting adds significant complexity and opportunities for fraud that simply don't exist in paper based balloting where the entire process is directly overseen by observers.

2) Methods of identity verification outside of ID checks are typically weaker (for instance, greater leniency in signature matching to accommodate for larger deviances because people are less used to signing using digital mechanisms)

3) Lack of effective forensic auditing trails to allow retrospective analysis

4) General lack of security best practices in the companies that build and operate electronic voting equipment, including poor development practices in the software side, lack of emphasis on secure architecture or design, and a reliance on third party network providers to actually transmit data.

 

Several European countries evaluated then abandoned electronic voting due to higher error rates.

 

 The media is simply reporting reality; that there has so far been no actual evidence of fraud presented is a categorical fact. The responsibility of news media is, or more accurately should be, to report events in an accurate and timely manner, not to give equal credence, or even exposure, to claims of fraud which have zero factual merit.

I guess you have a point. Who would want to rig Brazilian elections anyways

[Tchuck]

3 hours ago, LegitimatePride said:

3 hours ago, sivispacem said:

 

Why did you ignore my comment about people being unfairly censored for questioning the election results? I mean, I was sure you would do it... but why?

Because no-one is being unfairly censored. Or censored, really. The media just isn't entertaining notions that have no evidence or basis in reality. As they should. Should they give a loudspeaker and a platform for people who claim the earth is flat? No.

 

And you disingenuously suggested "especially when there's a yet-unresolved legal battle in progress." to give the impression that there's some legitimacy to it all. But there isn't. No evidence has been presented. None. Every single lawsuit so far has been laughed out of court. There's no legal battle in progress. There are Trump attorneys screaming and crying that there's been fraud and that the judge should just give Trump the electors. Without any evidence whatsoever. You can be skeptical about the election results if you want. If you have valid reasons for it, you'll be heard. If you're a nice personoo trying to peddle conspiracy theories? I love that you're not being given any attention. If this had been the norm from the start, we wouldn't have any of this sh*t. 

[Zello]

Anybody think during the inauguration after Biden gets sworn in he immediately resigns and then makes Kamala president? I could see that happening.

[Misumi]

ok

[sivispacem]

8 hours ago, LegitimatePride said:

Why did you ignore my comment about people being unfairly censored for questioning the election results? 

I didn't. 

 

Firstly, as Tchuck points out, it isn't really happening. If censorship were indeed taking place these false allegations wouldn't be splashed across the front pages of every major media outlet every day for almost a month now. 

 

Most social media sites now have legally enforced duties to prevent the spread of misinformation, due in no small part to the fiasco of the 2016 election. Given they are privately owned platforms individuals on them have no "right" to free speech in the first place, but all of this is in the T&C's you agree to when you sign up. You can't be censored on a private platform where you have no right to free speech in the first place.

[ṼirulenⱦEqừinox]

6 hours ago, Zello said:

Anybody think during the inauguration after Biden gets sworn in he immediately resigns and then makes Kamala president? I could see that happening.

Nah but that are the Republicans wet dreams are being made of these days, On all of the message boards I lurk around on they all keep saying Karmala is really the next President because Joe dementia is going to force him to retire, Another one floating around is that Karmala is actually the President and Joe is just a proxy to do what she and the BLM want

[Craigsters]

 

more reading and links here 

 

 

[ṼirulenⱦEqừinox]

Disputing Trump, Barr says no widespread election fraud

 

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Attorney General William Barr said Tuesday the Justice Department has not uncovered evidence of widespread voter fraud that would change the outcome of the 2020 presidential election.

 

His comments in an interview with The Associated Press come despite President Donald Trump’s repeated baseless claims that the election was stolen, Trump’s effort to subvert the results of the 2020 presidential election and his refusal to concede his loss to President-Elect Joe Biden.

 

Barr said U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but they’ve uncovered no evidence that would change the outcome of the election. Barr was headed to the White House later for a previously scheduled meeting.

 

“To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election,” Barr told the AP.

 

The comments are especially direct coming from Barr, who has been one of the president’s most ardent allies. Before the election, he had repeatedly raised the notion that mail-in voter fraud could be especially vulnerable to fraud during the coronavirus pandemic as Americans feared going to polls and instead chose to vote by mail.

 

[Craigsters]

 

seen here

 

 

[sivispacem]

I suspect the Barr comments will be the final nail in the coffin of the Republican backing for the "fraud" narrative, though I reckon they'll be slow to acknowledge this. They've kind of run out of Hail-Mary's now that the DoJ, FBI and CISA have confirmed nothing untoward has happened. There's not really anyone else left for them to appeal to investigate...

[ṼirulenⱦEqừinox]

DOJ investigating possible criminal 'bribery' for presidential pardon scheme

 

Newly unsealed documents reveal the Justice Department is looking into allegations that lobbyists may have tried to bribe White House officials or a related political committee in exchange for a presidential pardon.      

 

The partially redacted documents, unsealed Tuesday by the chief judge on the D.C. district court, show that government investigators have seized communications related to an investigation into unidentified individuals who may have engaged in a "secret lobbying scheme" to contact senior White House officials to secure "a pardon or reprieve of sentence" for another unidentified individual.

 

“No government official was or is currently a subject or target of the investigation disclosed in this filing,” a DOJ official said in a statement late Tuesday.

[Fake Lilina]

On 12/1/2020 at 8:40 PM, Craigsters said:

What is that?

[Banana]

9 hours ago, Fake Lilina said:

What is that?

Try reading

[trip]

I couldn't help myself and I put on the Trump 46 minute long speech while I pittered around the house, cleaned and such...

 

Wow.  Amazing.

 

That was an official presidential speech even.  Crazy to think.

[Cigars and chill]

14 minutes ago, trip said:

I couldn't help myself and I put on the Trump 46 minute long speech while I pittered around the house, cleaned and such...

 

Wow.  Amazing.

 

That was an official presidential speech even.  Crazy to think.

Do you live in a southern state such as myself? I am basically the only one in my family to vote Biden. I get the sense my parents and I are fixing to part ways permanently.

[trip]

2 hours ago, Midnight Ryder said:

Do you live in a southern state such as myself? I am basically the only one in my family to vote Biden. I get the sense my parents and I are fixing to part ways permanently.

Na.  I live in a pretty progressive neighborhood in Philadelphia.

 

My father is from here but moved to Virginia in the 80's.  He's all maga and all in.  He was just as republican when he lived here though.

 

Yeah, the new found political entertainment fascination is causing much strife within families.  Shame...

[Fake Lilina]

7 hours ago, Banana said:

Try reading

I did.

[ṼirulenⱦEqừinox]

7 hours ago, trip said:

I couldn't help myself and I put on the Trump 46 minute long speech while I pittered around the house, cleaned and such...

 

Wow.  Amazing.

 

That was an official presidential speech even.  Crazy to think.

He knows he f*cked too otherwise he wouldn't be so "worried" about the NY Investigations and no pardons he gives will protect his kids or his croonies are presidential pardons are only for federal crimes not state crimes and you sure as hell know Cumo isn't going to grant them any

 

1 hour ago, Fake Lilina said:

I did.

and you still don't get it?

[Fake Lilina]

7 hours ago, ṼirulenⱦEqừinox said:

and you still don't get it?

Kind of...

[ṼirulenⱦEqừinox]

13 hours ago, Fake Lilina said:

Kind of...

Trump was making remarks that hinted that he was going to keep his job by staging a coup against Biden and the clowns are Trumps attorney are clowns are pretty much self explanatory 

[Craigsters]

 

more reading here This is wild. <-- just screenshots of the tweeter acount

[Fake Lilina]

On 12/4/2020 at 3:38 PM, ṼirulenⱦEqừinox said:

Trump was making remarks that hinted that he was going to keep his job by staging a coup against Biden and the clowns are Trumps attorney are clowns are pretty much self explanatory 

Oh.

[ṼirulenⱦEqừinox]

Pro-Trump attorneys tell Georgians not to vote in runoff until votes are 'secure'

 

Trumpers are actually listening to this and saying they're not even going to bother voting.

 

Fine by me then that'll give Democrats a majoirty in both the house and senate for the next 4 hours giving us the ability to actually do some decent work without being blocked

 

With all eyes on Georgia, RNC chair tries to convince Republicans to vote in runoff elections

 

Crowd: THE ELECTION WAS RIGGED AND STOLEN FROM US SO WHY SHOULD WE VOTE IN THE SENATE RUNOFF WHEN THEY'LL JUST STEAL IT AGAIN!!!!

 

RNC Chairwoman: Don't worry the system isn't rigged and your votes will count we just said all of that bullsh*t to try and really steal the election ourselves but it didn't work so now it's coming back to bite us in the ass with this senate runoff, but i pinky promise the system isn't really rigged and your vote will actually count

 

I Love how often they contrdict themselves with this rigged election sh*t because it's now coming back to bite them in the ass

 

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35 minutes ago, Craigsters said:

 

more reading here This is wild. <-- just screenshots of the tweeter acount

Someone is defiantly going to be going to jail over this, That is 100% a shell company that was used to launder money

[Craigsters]

 

[ṼirulenⱦEqừinox]

Kate McKinnon is so great in all the roles she plays

 

I wonder what SNL is going to do for material now that Trump is no longer in the White House? Well i'm sure Trump is still provide enough material for them after leaving for a while and i'm sure Biden will provide some good stuff for them as well

Edited December 6, 2020 by ṼirulenⱦEqừinox

[ddarko12]

SNL didnt even have to do much to parody that clown show, it's hilarious. I loved the comments on some of clips too. "Typical CNN taking everything out of context" what was out of context? She still sounded like a drunk on an SNL skit. The Republican party is just weakening every day with the clowns they allow to speak for and represent them.