That Thread about US current events

[Secura]

If you're wondering why the Democrats do not want to remove it that is because it would create viable 3rd party candidates, they can and do win with the Electoral College, there is however a plan to effectively remove the relevance of the Electoral College which you can find more about at this site: https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/

 

The Electoral College is a very undemocratic way of running a democracy.

[Larcen]

On 11/19/2020 at 12:30 PM, ṼirulenⱦEqừinox said:

I was wrong, I was thinking of The Sun newspaper

That makes way more sense.  The Sun is essentially a tabloid.

 

While GuardianNews definitely skews left, I've never seen them make sh*t up.

[Smith John]

11 hours ago, sivispacem said:

The slurring had me worried for a moment.

It's pretty difficult to make slurring noices on a text-based platform.

11 hours ago, sivispacem said:

Not sure where you could have possibly got that idea from. 

From the idea that you present yourself as some upper class snob to the point you have to prove your income to a member on the British politics thread of a GTA forum.

11 hours ago, sivispacem said:

I'm also totally fine with you posting one-liners as long as you don't spam the thread with them as you have previously. But to MTDs credit, he doesn't pretend he isn't a troll, unlike you.

If posting every few weeks/months is considered "spam" to you, then what is Yokel's contributions - where every other post is ridden with "idiots"/"stupid"/etc - seen as in your wee outlook? Also, it's great to see you've finally acknowledged MTD is a troll. But the "correct side" troll, right safespacem?

11 hours ago, sivispacem said:

I'd say that this thread is remarkably free of gloating and that on the whole most posters have been exceptionally restrained and reasonable. But then again, I don't inhabit the same fantasy world as you so I imagine you perceive it entirely differently.

I'm not sure what thread you're reading, but this whole thread is full of gloating. And if you believe implying Trump supporters are worse than Islamist terrorists and comments wishing death on people is "exceptionally restrained and reasonable", then I'm not really sure you're a reasoned person yourself.

[ṼirulenⱦEqừinox]

3 hours ago, Graven said:

I haven't researched how the American voting system was originally built and who were the people that decided on it.

But I would guess that it was intentionally styled to give certain group an advantage.

We had similar voting system 50 years ago, so I don't want to be too judgemental. But it was changed.

 

I'm anyway eager to see what Trump will do in the next 2 months. I read that he might step of the president seat just day before the switch and order minion Pence to give him lifetime immunity, lol.

 

 

ABC News wrote a decent article on how the whole system works and how Presidents are actually elected by the Electoral College rather than by Popular Votes

 

The Electoral College: How presidents are elected

 

 

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While it's highly unlikely Trump will do that it is possible for that to happen as that is what Ford did for Nixon after he resigned

 

A federal pardon can be issued prior to the start of a legal case or inquiry, prior to any indictments being issued, for unspecified offenses, and prior to or after a conviction for a federal crime.

 

President Gerald Ford's broad federal pardon of former president Richard M. Nixon in 1974 for "all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974" is a notable example of a fixed-period federal pardon that came prior to any indictments being issued and that covered unspecified federal offenses that may or may not have been committed.

 

 

Edited November 21, 2020 by ṼirulenⱦEqừinox

[Smith John]

11 hours ago, sivispacem said:

You've lost me here. I've gone back several pages and can find no references to ISIS at all. Or were you just being hyperbolic?

Let me guess, you've now deleted the image. I'd go back and search for it, but I genuinely can't be arsed - it's a Friday night, and I've got a pint of Carlsberg and a superking fag to get back to.

[Zello]

3 hours ago, Larcen said:

That makes way more sense.  The Sun is essentially a tabloid.

 

While GuardianNews definitely skews left, I've never seen them make sh*t up.

I think you're thinking of The daily mail.

[DravenVolturi]

9 hours ago, Graven said:

If you compare the 2016 results to the 2020, the electoral votes are about the same but Biden beat Trump in popular votes by a much bigger margin than Trump did in 2016.

I'm wondering if there was any vote recounting in 2016? Because it would had made more sense in 2016 than it does now.

I honestly feel that something screwy happened this election because if you followed the election like I did, You all saw Michigan, Wisconsin and Georgia did not go blue until the absolute last minute. The rest of the time those states were pretty well solid red. I honestly do believe that legal ballots in favor of Trump was thrown in the trash in all three states. I do believe in a fair election where every legal ballot is counted, and I'm not saying buying into the B/S that's going on now, I am just saying based on what I personally saw in following the election, I do think something went wrong or some of those poll workers did something shady in Georgia, Wisconsin and Michigan.

Edited November 21, 2020 by DravenVolturi

[ṼirulenⱦEqừinox]

1 hour ago, Zello said:

I think you're thinking of The daily mail.

They're both rags

[Raavi]

@DravenVolturi That had been foretold for weeks, months leading up to the election. It is a natural consequence of having multiple modalities of voting, especially when one of those modalities has been, baselessly, decried as fraud months before the election by one camp, and heavily supported by the other. 

 

Come Election Day day what happened was this: Same-day ballots were counted first, Trump did well in those, as expected. But after those were tabulated, the mail-ballots were counted. Those, also as expected because Trump made an immense effort to discredit them for months leading up the election, skewed strongly towards Biden. Other “shifts” also flowed from what county reported first, where rural but less populated came in earlier and were quickly overtaken by large metro areas. 

[ṼirulenⱦEqừinox]

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33 minutes ago, DravenVolturi said:

I honestly feel that something screwy happened this election because if you followed the election like I did, You all saw Michigan, Wisconsin and Georgia did not go blue until the absolute last minute. The rest of the time those states were pretty well solid red. I honestly do believe that legal ballots in favor of Trump was thrown in the trash in all three states. I do believe in a fair election where every legal ballot is counted, and I'm not saying buying into the B/S that's going on now, I am just saying based on what I personally saw in following the election, I do think something went wrong or some of those poll workers did something shady in Georgia, Wisconsin and Michigan.

FFS Nothing shady happened just like every other right winger you're ignoring the process of the way the votes were counted.

 

That's because in most states Mail In/Absentee Ballots aren't allowed to be counted until after election day ballots have been counted. Which Mail In Ballots primarily favored Joe Biden while in person ballots favored Trump because he told his supporters NOT to do mail in voting simple as that and it backfired on him.

 

Lawmakers in PA tried to change it so mail in ballots could start being counted as soon as they arrived but Republican Lawmakers rejected that if they had simply allowed them to do that then it would've been a neck and neck race just like it was in GA but because they didn't it showed Trump with a huge lead on election night but that lead disappeared after mail in ballots started being counted.

 

As for the Trump Ballots being thrown away there is absolutely no proof of that happening and even if a few thousand ballots were thrown out it still wouldn't have made a difference as Trump lost by tens of thousands 

Edited November 21, 2020 by ṼirulenⱦEqừinox

[Zello]

So now Trump Jr has COVID

[Craigsters]

 

seen here

[sivispacem]

8 hours ago, Smith John said:

It's pretty difficult to make slurring noices on a text-based platform.

Which makes your managing it with that hilarious mangling of what I can only assume was supposed to read "conspiracy" all the more incredible.

 

8 hours ago, Smith John said:

you present yourself as some upper class snob 

I don't think you understand what "upper class" actually is. I'm also not sure which I find more amusing, your resentful classism of what a snowflake you are when it comes to a bit of mild lifestyle based mockery.

 

8 hours ago, Smith John said:

have to prove your income to a member on the British politics thread 

For all the good it did 

 

8 hours ago, Smith John said:

If posting every few weeks/months is considered "spam" to you

Posting "ORANGE MAN BAD" as a reply to other members twice within an hour for the express purpose of trying to goad a response out of them is, yes. 

 

8 hours ago, Smith John said:

then what is Yokel's contributions - where every other post is ridden with "idiots"/"stupid"/etc - seen as

Far more contributory than "orange man bad"? I mean, by the simple virtue of being more than three words and related to the topic, for two.

 

I've said it before, false martyrdom doesn't suit you. If you think you're so persecuted for your views, why do you insist on returning? It should be clear to you by this point that if there was an agenda to deplatform you based on your political vires- which there isn't, by the way- your years of complaining about it have fallen entirely on deaf ears.

 

MTD still has significant more entries in his warn log from me then you do. But you don't see him complaining every five minutes that I'm prejudiced against him. Presumably because he's not absolutely delusional.

 

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I'm not sure what thread you're reading, but this whole thread is full of gloating. 

Where? What posts would you consider to be "gloating"?

 

8 hours ago, Smith John said:

Let me guess, you've now deleted the image

If you're referring to this post:

 

On 11/1/2020 at 7:30 AM, Craigsters said:

That doesn't suggest Trump supporters are worse than ISIS to anyone capable of rational thought. 

[Tchuck]

10 hours ago, DravenVolturi said:

The rest of the time those states were pretty well solid red

Uh, they weren't though. Trump's initial margin had been very, very slight. And that's only due to the way the voting is counted. If they had counted the mailed ballots on the same day, you'd have the proper result appearing way earlier. 

 

Since Trump bashed the mailing vote, and even got his goon DeJoy in as postmaster general to further sabotage the process. As a result? His electoral base did not vote by mail in any meaningful quantity when compared to Democrats, who were telling everyone to vote in any way shape or form. Specially by mail.

  

10 hours ago, DravenVolturi said:

I honestly do believe that legal ballots in favor of Trump was thrown in the trash in all three states.

Uh, say what now? Based on... what? 

  

10 hours ago, DravenVolturi said:

do think something went wrong or some of those poll workers did something shady in Georgia, Wisconsin and Michigan.

I repeat, based on... what? The fact that Trump lost? Literally everyone involved in running the election has testified to it being the safest ever run.

Edited November 21, 2020 by Tchuck

[DEALUX]

23 hours ago, sivispacem said:

For instance, Wyoming has a population of around 580,000 whereas California has a population of 39.5 million. Wyoming has three electoral college votes (about 1 per 190,000 citizens) whereas California has 55 (about 1 every 720,000 citizens). So a single vote in Wyoming is a little under four times as "valuable" as one in California.

 

 

This explains how Clinton can win the popular vote by ~2.2% as she did in 2016 and still lose the electoral college by a large margin.

Why would anyone be in favor of big states deciding the fate of the election?

[sivispacem]

14 minutes ago, DEALUX said:

Why would anyone be in favor of big states deciding the fate of the election?

Why would anyone be in favour of a clear minority dictating policy for an outright majority?

[Fake Lilina]

On 11/20/2020 at 8:55 AM, Bartleby said:

Do you mean Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman or Chris Krebs?

I don't know, all I know is that I heard back in 2016 or 2017 is that someone was fired for doing his job. I don't know who that person was either.

[Creed Bratton]

20 hours ago, Smith John said:

Yokel

I'm sorry, did I trigger you? Do you need a safe space?

 

I'll have you know, I'm not a baker so I don't go around sugarcoating stuff. Especially since attempting to have any sort of meaningful discussion is pointless if the other side is utterly incapable of distinguishing fantasy from reality. You know, like you.

Edited November 21, 2020 by Yokelsson

[ṼirulenⱦEqừinox]

3 hours ago, Kierolack666 said:

I don't know, all I know is that I heard back in 2016 or 2017 is that someone was fired for doing his job. I don't know who that person was either.

Psst that could be tens of people really, Trump has fired people simply for telling him he was wrong or simply disagreeing with him he even fired a well renowned  to the Ambassador to the Ukraine because he found out she didn't "like him"...Chris Krebs is just the latest victim

 

His administration has had a 91% turnover rate more than any other president in history 

[Misumi]

This isn't McEnany sense

 

https://i.imgur.com/E70u9om.mp4

[Craigsters]

There's no  accountability with Trump administration and they seem to be in power to try and undermine  the government system to benefit themselves, I wouldn't be surprised if Trumps relatives and crony's  are charged with crimes of some sort eventually

[Zello]

4 hours ago, ṼirulenⱦEqừinox said:

Psst that could be tens of people really, Trump has fired people simply for telling him he was wrong or simply disagreeing with him he even fired a well renowned  to the Ambassador to the Ukraine because he found out she didn't "like him"...Chris Krebs is just the latest victim

 

His administration has had a 91% turnover rate more than any other president in history 

 

 

Don't forget this lmaoo. This man lasted only 10 days.

[ṼirulenⱦEqừinox]

The Mooch was funny on how assured he was then poof he was gone...

 

General Flynn only lasted 23 days into the Presidency before he was fired, He was hired on January 20th and was fired on February 13th

 

I do love how Trump praises all the people he hires as "Such great wonderful people whom he's known for a long time and knows will do a great job" and then soon as he fires them he suddenly doesn't know them very well or never met them prior to giving them the job, He even called his own AG Jeff Sessions "Mentally Retarded"

Edited November 22, 2020 by ṼirulenⱦEqừinox

[Detective Phelps]

The sore winners have ended up becoming sore losers. This shouldn't have come as a surprise...

[ṼirulenⱦEqừinox]

This was on OAN...

 

This best describe it....

 

Ah, yes, the server seized by US troops on the sovereign territory of a NATO partner, in a town where the company operating the server doesn't actually have offices.

 

Their propaganda is really designed for the most stupid, drooling idiots on the planet.

 

 

It's also very telling whenever they invoke the army for this. It would make no sense for the US army to be involved in any of this. If anything something like this would be done by the CIA, or sub-agencies of the NSA.

They always include the military, because they have a huge hardon for authoritarianism and state-violence. That's also why they keep talking about dragging their political opponents in front of "military tribunals" etc., even though it makes no sense.

 

The best part is they gave California to Trump, Even the Republicans are laughing at that one

 

@DetectivePhelps My favorite is when they get told "Trump Lost, Get Over it" they absolutely loose their sh*t but that is the exact same thing they were saying to people 4 years ago when Clinton lost.

 

They can dish it but they can't take it.

 

I got banned from the Conservatives sub on Reddit for pointing out how mail in ballots are counted after they kept posting about Biden all the sudden having a bunch of votes appearing for him in Pennsylvania and that it wouldn't have happened if Republican lawmakers hadn't blocked attempts to start counting mail in ballots as soon as they came in  and apparently they didn't like that I'm not the only one, They are banning anyone and everyone who dares to contradict their dear leader.

 

But i love browsing the Conservatives and Donald Trump SubReddits as the stuff they're posting is epic and hilarious and the best part is a lot of the articles being posted are getting removed by Reddit themselves for being "Misleading" and the SubReddit Mods have no control over that and can't undo it.

 

A favorite quote of their is "It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes." - Joseph Stalin there's just one little problem according to ABC News and from what i've found personally there is no proof that Stalin has or had ever said that they're just pulling that just like everything else out of their ass. 

 

 

It's so sad how gullible they are and actually think Babylonbee is an actual legit news site even after Trump huge public humiliations for retweeting a BabylonBee article and declaring them as his Most Trusted News but then again that's probably why they believe it.

 

Both Obama and Trump each have taken 24 days of Vacation albeit it Obama took those 24 days over an eight year period while Trump has taken them in the last three and half years George W Bush took 88 days and Bill Clinton took 41 days both over an eight year period.

 

Trump has since played Golf 298 times since coming into Office 3 1/2 years ago while Obama only played 98 rounds during the same time period of 3 1/2 years

 

Wonder how fast i'll be banned from the r/DonaldTrump for posting that

 

 

Edited November 22, 2020 by ṼirulenⱦEqừinox

[sivispacem]

Some of the drivel that gets posted there would be hilarious if it weren't for the fact these people can actually vote. Does nobody actually validate or verify things anymore?

 

I've got no idea what OAN is and who it's funded by but they seem to be one of the main outlets posting absolute crackpot nonsense. They make Fox seem unbiased.

[Secura]

3 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

Some of the drivel that gets posted there would be hilarious if it weren't for the fact these people can actually vote. Does nobody actually validate or verify things anymore?

This is the concern for most, the president refuses to concede but many of his own voters stand with him with baseless claims of fraud, the sincerity of it is obscure.

[Creed Bratton]

There's a reason people call it Trumpism. It's basically a cult of personality. Cults tend to revolve around denying the evidence and living in an alternate reality where the only truth is the one presented to you by the cult leader. There's no need for verification. But you already know all this.

[ṼirulenⱦEqừinox]

2 hours ago, sivispacem said:

Some of the drivel that gets posted there would be hilarious if it weren't for the fact these people can actually vote. Does nobody actually validate or verify things anymore?

 

I've got no idea what OAN is and who it's funded by but they seem to be one of the main outlets posting absolute crackpot nonsense. They make Fox seem unbiased.

OAN - is a far-right, pro-Donald Trump cable channel founded by Robert Herring who regular promote QANON & other conspiracy theories (as you clearly saw with that picture) and every single "news story" they post or air is either false, fake or completely misleading, in fact they make Fox News look liberal compared to the stuff they post.

 

They even lie about the stupidest sh*t too like one of their anchors signs off with "This episode is on the way to the Library of Congress and Rememebr even when I'm wrong, I'm right" 

 

They lie about their stuff being in the Library of Congress when it isn't

 

and even if it was getting into the Library of Congress isn't a huge deal it's not really that hard to get your shows/movies in there f*ck even Jersey Shore is in the LoC what's that tell ya?

 

They became Trumps favorites after Fox had former democratic Pete Buttiged on one of their shows so now that Trump is mad at Fox News he now calls OAN his Most reliable news source

 

John Oliver actually did a great story about OAN a while back - Take a few minutes to watch it trust me you won't be disappointed

 

 

There is also this article by The Guardian that explains it pretty well as well - OANN: what is the alternative far-right media outlet Trump is pushing?

[trip]

My favorite thing about OAN is the questions coordinated between the WH press secretary and the OAN anchor during pressers that give Kayleigh(wh press sec.) the opportunity to act outraged.

 

Friday's press conference:

OAN- "Where is the FBI during all of this voter fraud?  Why have they disappeared?"

Kayleigh- "I know!  Right!  The deep state is ridiculous.  Our great president will get to the bottom of it".

 

Edited November 22, 2020 by trip