The Elite Challenges Grand Leaderboard v3

[madebyWITT]

On 12/24/2020 at 1:08 PM, Jimbatron said:

If I can offer a (perhaps obvious) opinion, it needs to be split by number of players, pretty certain this will be much easier with one or two players than three or four due to the loot bag requirement.

 

Im not sure there needs to be any other split between that and platform. You could split it by things like approach vehicle type, but the ability to improvise means one approach can transpose into another anyway.

 

RNG is going to be a big factor in getting the best possible time, I guess Pavel is going to get a lot of 25k restart fees! Not sure if you restart if you stay on hard though, I haven’t tried yet.

 

Yup, the thought so far to list Solo(1p) and Co-op(2-4p) while having 1p, 2p, 3p and 4p listed in spoilers just below. (Perhaps Co-op above the Solo as I'd weigh Co-op a bigger part of GTA ''Online'' after all :P).

 

And of course split into platforms - speaking of which, perhaps time for a new next-gen, making current next-gen become last-gen and last-gen become old-gen(/first-gen)???? Hmm, names to be decided, but mhm?
 

And because of that RNG.. then the debate whether or not to have Normal's too, or only Hardmode's.

As even just for Normal's, plenty hours will potentially have to be put in to get optimal layouts, and even more for Hardmode's while maintaining said Hardmode... Seems that there'd be a place for both.

 

Speaking of RNG, then also for Solo runs (not as relevant to Co-op, but still maybe ) could make two categories - one for double locations (2x coke at same spot/ 2x art in the office) and another for split locations.

The latter would allow a lot more runs to be done without the need for re-scoping out the island countless of times, thus improve the general experience - is what I think at least.

[Jimbatron]

5 hours ago, madebyWITT said:

 

Yup, the thought so far to list Solo(1p) and Co-op(2-4p) while having 1p, 2p, 3p and 4p listed in spoilers just below. (Perhaps Co-op above the Solo as I'd weigh Co-op a bigger part of GTA ''Online'' after all :P).

 

And of course split into platforms - speaking of which, perhaps time for a new next-gen, making current next-gen become last-gen and last-gen become old-gen(/first-gen)???? Hmm, names to be decided, but mhm?
 

And because of that RNG.. then the debate whether or not to have Normal's too, or only Hardmode's.

As even just for Normal's, plenty hours will potentially have to be put in to get optimal layouts, and even more for Hardmode's while maintaining said Hardmode... Seems that there'd be a place for both.

 

Speaking of RNG, then also for Solo runs (not as relevant to Co-op, but still maybe ) could make two categories - one for double locations (2x coke at same spot/ 2x art in the office) and another for split locations.

The latter would allow a lot more runs to be done without the need for re-scoping out the island countless of times, thus improve the general experience - is what I think at least.

I like the idea of splitting by RNG (can you fill a loot bag in two, versus more pickups required) - for example I expect two art in the office is extremely unlikely. Presumably the best solo time will be possible if you draw that and then don’t have to go anywhere other than the compound? Slight digression on that. I tried to see if it was possible to escape by vaulting over the barrier at the south of the compound and down the cliffs into the sea. It isn’t. Even though at some points the cliff is layered allowing you to walk down it with no damage the last metre drop into the sea automatically kills you. But I’m sure you guys figured that out already!

[MadMaxxx123]

5 hours ago, madebyWITT said:

And of course split into platforms - speaking of which, perhaps time for a new next-gen, making current next-gen become last-gen and last-gen become old-gen(/first-gen)???? Hmm, names to be decided, but mhm?

You can measure only gameplay time without loadings. And taje loadings time as standard for all platforms (except pc).

[ambi3nt]

4 hours ago, MadMaxxx123 said:

You can measure only gameplay time without loadings. And taje loadings time as standard for all platforms (except pc).

Meanwhile something like driving/running speeds are not. Ps3/x360 don't even have stilthouses/new vehicles. And so on.

Edited December 26, 2020 by ambi3nt

[MadMaxxx123]

6 minutes ago, ambi3nt said:

Meanwhile something like driving/running speeds are not. Ps3/x360 don't even have stilthouses/new vehicles. And so on.

Yeah, ps3 and x360 has cayo perico heist. Never knew it,thx for the info

[ambi3nt]

1 minute ago, MadMaxxx123 said:

Yeah, ps3 and x360 has cayo perico heist. Never knew it,thx for the info

If you speak only of Cayo, then FPS  difference is enough already.

[MadMaxxx123]

2 minutes ago, ambi3nt said:

If you speak only of Cayo, then FPS  difference is enough already.

You should read first, then write.

[ambi3nt]

17 minutes ago, MadMaxxx123 said:

You should read first, then write.

Alright, what's the purpose of measuring "only gameplay time" then?

[MadMaxxx123]

25 minutes ago, ambi3nt said:

Alright, what's the purpose of measuring "only gameplay time" then?

Because it is +- the same on consoles.

[Lochstina]

Hi everyone, just thought I'd share my most recent solo elite run for Cayo Perico achieved on PS5 Console.

 

 

[pb-berto]

In my experience many loadings like act 1 loading into facility or act 3 loading into the tunnel with the barrage are like +- 3s. which is huge, sometimes even worse.

We suicided plus 100 times in those locations cause we lost too much time due to loading time.

 

Currently we do have an advantage with loading times on ps5 playing it through backwardscompatability,

but we still play with ps4 players on ps5 so there are also mixed runs with ps5´s and ps4´s. 

The enhanced version next year could make a much bigger advantage than the current diffrence.

i see  pretty much 3 options

#1 ps5 backwards comp counts as ps5 no diffrence between enhanced or backwards comp

#2 ps5 backwards comp counts as ps4 since it is still the ps4 version

#3 ps5 backwards comp counts as a step between ps4 and the actual next gen version.

 

i don´t think #3 is worth it...

im personally ok with #1 and #2 if you beat one of our records just because of having a ps5 is unlikely and if you do beat it by 1s. depsite having a 15s. advantage lucky you^^

but in that case the person probably knows that the record will be back to it´s previous owner in no time...

#2 would be the most uncomplicated one, we all still do play with ps4 players most people don´t have one...

 

I personally feel like if someone does go the extra mile to do +100 scope-outs to get the 2 arts in the office he/she deserves it... 

credit to those who deserve it...

Same goes with 1000 retries to get the perfect traffic or hacks...

With the Paintings it is not even that bad since once you got it you can keep it forever...

 

I would like to keep playing on hard.

[MadMaxxx123]

#3 is the only option if you guys want to keep it competitive. Or manual timings

Edited December 29, 2020 by MadMaxxx123

[Neg96]

Neg96 Cayo Perico Elite

 

Solo / Hard / 5:43 / Console

 

[madebyWITT]

Wishing everyone a Happy New Year!

Cheers for another year with excellent elite runs!

I went through the most recent runs and they're now all on the sheets on google drive. I'll be setting up the categories in the OP tomorrow.

[madebyWITT]

Added section for Cayo in the Grand Leaderboard, will be added in PC/Current Gen Leaderboards when there's more/enough runs for it to make sense.

And keeping it hard, only 2 normal runs posted anyway, the day one run by Dan (which was more a showcase if anything?) and an invalid submission by rmmmain12 (PC req. of 2 POV for 2P+ runs)

e2: Will probably end up removing normal casino runs as a possibility again, as there's been zero interest

 

New times added to leaderboards:

Cayo Perico, Co-op (2P): BossMadMax, KresTias (6:04, PS4)

Cayo Perico, Solo (Double): Neg96 (5:43, PS4)

Cayo Perico, Solo (Double): Lochstina (6:15, PS5)

Cayo Perico, Solo (Split): Neg96 (7:30, PS4)

Cayo Perico, Solo (Split): xInfected_Virus (7:49, PS4)

 

Welcome KresTias to the leaderboards and HoF

 

The obsolete/improved times are in the sheets

e: No new platform leaderboard while the game is still the same version. It'll be added once the enhanced-enhanced version comes. Please still state which console was used though, and/or if mixed. 

Edited January 2, 2021 by madebyWITT

[westwood124124]

Hello, I have a  new record for new leaderboard.

The Fleeca job:  NorthernEmperor、westwood124124 (4:17 ,  PC)

NorthernEmperor: https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1zh411f7Lj?t=330

westwood124124: https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Dh41117xn/?spm_id_from=333.788.recommend_more_video.0

 

 

 

 

[Neg96]

Neg96 - RAVERTZAO Cayo Perico Elite

 

2 Player / Hard / 5:28 / Console

 

[xInfected_Virus]

Not the best run but I'm happy with it. Will try to go for sub 5:30 if I ever get two paintings in the office or perfect cocaine configuration, sub 5 console maybe possible with perfect RNG overall with secondary loot and guard item drops and perfect execution.

[Jimbatron]

Thought I would submit my current PB, 6:16 on hard, solo, PC. I know there are much better times out there, although @madebyWITT I think this qualifies as a split secondary location for the sub board (1 coke at the docks, plus artwork from the office).

 

 

I'd be keen to get some constructive criticism from the pros as this is my first proper attempt at doing a speed run (sneaked into the hall of fame here with DD Act III by default as we summited a time before most other people had done so). Some thoughts:

• I decided to grab a disguise so I could blast through the compound's outer checkpoint at full speed. Not 100% sure this is time efficient, probably if your reflexes are quicker than mine you could take the guards without slowing down much (if at all)
• Most pros seem to favour first person view on foot. Do you move faster? Or is it personal preference? I find it quite disorientating, particularly when jumping down and doing the combat roll animation (think you can turn this off in the menu - would that invalidate times on this board?)
• I'm aware you can wheelie the bike to make it go a bit faster. To be honest I bottled it, I'd decided I wanted to finish the run and played it safe as I didn't want to risk crashing.
• Longfin entry jump was poor. Possible to save a few seconds here with the right landing.
• I did some practice runs and had a huge debate in my own mind about whether the coke in the second hut would be quicker than the office painting. The problem with the second hut is, it's deep, you've got to cut through through a gate, and I think the painting is quicker to remove from the frame than the coke pile. Also sometimes when doing practice runs I seemed to get heard by the guard patrolling outside. So I went for the office, but I'm not completely convinced I made the right choice.

Generally execution (lining up shots, hacking a bit better etc) could also be improved, so it feels like with this approach sub 6 minutes is possible. Safe RNG could also have been a bit kinder.

 

Still not had 2 coke at the docks in one hut or 2 paintings in the office yet.

 

Final summary:

"Hey, Carlos, do you know who that guy was who just smashed through the checkpoint barrier at full speed?"

"No, but he's wearing a football shirt, so he must be one of us".

 

 

Edited January 9, 2021 by Jimbatron

[madebyWITT]

Just quick update to follow up on latest times posted here + few ones sent in PM

 

New times added to leaderboards:

Silent&Sneaky, Full (2P): ______W______, Mangobar_ (9:35, PC)

Silent&Sneaky, Any (2P): ______W______, O_____oo_____k (7:22, PC)

Cayo Perico, Co-op (2P): Neg96, RAVERTZAO (5:28, PS4)

Cayo Perico, Solo (Split): xInfected_Virus (6:58, PS4)

Big Con, Full (2P): _____W______, pecsod (10:29, PC)

Cayo Perico, Solo (Split): Jimbatron (6:16, PC)

 

Times not added and/or pending due to ____:

Fleeca: NorthernEmperor, westwood124124 (4:17*, PC) - Elite way off RTA, issue does not look common by my observations in elite since last update or two. RTA wise would slot into, will be kept pending while checking further

Cayo Perico, Solo (Split) Normal: -_Grumbler_- (6:17, PC) - Normal difficulty, added to secondary Cayo Perico (Normal) sheet in the sheets

 

Welcome Mangobar_ & O_____oo_____k to the leaderboards and HoF

 

& quick feedback for @Jimbatron, most of your observations seem to be on point  But ye disguise gives some comfort at a cost of some seconds, even considering slowing down for some shots you'll likely be faster skipping the disguise.

First person is faster running up 'n down stairs/steps which will be the main reason for it.

Coke is quite a bit faster to loot than paintings, 5 sec faster each for a total of 10 sec, also need to calculate the added time running to and from the office which is a fair bit more than running in and out of the coke hut(s). To note, double coke should also be a fair bit more common than double paintings, so win-win, I guess c;

[Jimbatron]

Thanks for the tips @madebyWITT 

[westwood124124]

Hello, could you please point out the specific problem in our videos? Both these two videos are NOT modified.   

 

Do you mean the real time is different from the game time in the end？Could you please tell me the beginning and time ending time for manual timing？

I usually start the timing when the map appears in the bottom left. Ending timing when the CG begins. This manual timing is almost equal to the game time minus 8 seconds.

According to this timing method,the manual timing is 4m17s which is equal to the RTA.

 

I can send you the original video（2.6G）if you want it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

@madebyWITT

 

 

Edited January 13, 2021 by westwood124124

[oleg_aka_djmeg]

regarding cayo, i don't like that the meta is doing it on normal difficulty, especially when one of the key requirements to be on this leaderboard for the longest time was to do the heist on hard. yes, i understand that with the way hard difficulty works on cayo, it's not possible to keep attempting the same layout over and over again, but still, when i see a fast run and i see "team lives 1" in the corner, i kinda just brush the run off, so to say.

Spoiler

 

[Pistachio]

Prison Break, first person 3:12

LaserTraps https://www.bilibili.com/av971194966

 

_-Sakura__ https://www.bilibili.com/av543701138

 

amao_xiao, X1aoJueJue

Edited January 18, 2021 by Pistachio

[MoriTheCat]

On 1/12/2021 at 7:38 PM, oleg_aka_djmeg said:

regarding cayo, i don't like that the meta is doing it on normal difficulty, especially when one of the key requirements to be on this leaderboard for the longest time was to do the heist on hard. yes, i understand that with the way hard difficulty works on cayo, it's not possible to keep attempting the same layout over and over again, but still, when i see a fast run and i see "team lives 1" in the corner, i kinda just brush the run off, so to say.

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While I agree that the it is ideal if the runs on the leaderboards were in hardmode, it's not realistic. 

To be competitive with cayo elite you need good spawns for the loot (bonds as primary & double cocaine/art/gold)

So if the leaderboards were limited to hardmode it will require people to grind just for the rng to be good enough to even have a chance

Even though we have separate sections for double/split, I would rather have an environment where more people can attempt runs, rather than only the people who have the time and will to grind for good rng

Also as far as I know the only difference between normal and hard is the number of fingerprint hacks (since lives don't matter when going for elite) so I don't think its a big deal as long as there is an adjustment made like there is for the casino heist.

[Neg96]

9 hours ago, MoriTheCat said:

 

While I agree that the it is ideal if the runs on the leaderboards were in hardmode, it's not realistic. 

To be competitive with cayo elite you need good spawns for the loot (bonds as primary & double cocaine/art/gold)

So if the leaderboards were limited to hardmode it will require people to grind just for the rng to be good enough to even have a chance

Even though we have separate sections for double/split, I would rather have an environment where more people can attempt runs, rather than only the people who have the time and will to grind for good rng

Also as far as I know the only difference between normal and hard is the number of fingerprint hacks (since lives don't matter when going for elite) so I don't think its a big deal as long as there is an adjustment made like there is for the casino heist.

Completely disagree, the fact that a hard Elite was submitted means the player ran their full run on the hardest challenge available. Unlike RTA rulings, Elite rulings on the v3 leaderboards were always made in accordance to the best plays done by hardcore players on the hardest challenge available. If you have a problem with that, the CP category isn't for you. Don't try to discredit all of our Hard mode submissions just because you're lazy to put in the effort to farm the appropriate layout you want. I did it, I farm hard layouts and run these times; that means you have to do it as well. You aren't privileged in this matter.

 

Realistic or not, that's only up to your dedication and consistency and yours alone. I have no problem with it.

Edited January 14, 2021 by NegraruSpeedruns

[Neg96]

On 1/12/2021 at 2:38 AM, oleg_aka_djmeg said:

regarding cayo, i don't like that the meta is doing it on normal difficulty, especially when one of the key requirements to be on this leaderboard for the longest time was to do the heist on hard. yes, i understand that with the way hard difficulty works on cayo, it's not possible to keep attempting the same layout over and over again, but still, when i see a fast run and i see "team lives 1" in the corner, i kinda just brush the run off, so to say.

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It is possible to do the same layout repeatedly. If you've been paying attention to my various submissions, you would have picked up on that.

[xInfected_Virus]

9 hours ago, MoriTheCat said:

 

While I agree that the it is ideal if the runs on the leaderboards were in hardmode, it's not realistic. 

To be competitive with cayo elite you need good spawns for the loot (bonds as primary & double cocaine/art/gold)

So if the leaderboards were limited to hardmode it will require people to grind just for the rng to be good enough to even have a chance

Even though we have separate sections for double/split, I would rather have an environment where more people can attempt runs, rather than only the people who have the time and will to grind for good rng

Also as far as I know the only difference between normal and hard is the number of fingerprint hacks (since lives don't matter when going for elite) so I don't think its a big deal as long as there is an adjustment made like there is for the casino heist.

After getting a Cayo Perico completion, you have to wait for 48 real minutes for normal mode to be available again and even then you won't get good RNG with your layouts and that takes a lot of time. The one extra fingerprint hack on hard mode shouldn't even be a problem and plus it takes a bit longer to go into the continue or quick restart screen since you have one extra life so you pretty much have to die twice and on hard mode the one life makes it a bit quicker so you can try again for the elite challenge assuming you got your desired layout. As @NegraruSpeedruns said, you can keep repeating the Cayo Perico heist if you have your desired RNG with the secondary loot.

[Neg96]

1 minute ago, xInfected_Virus said:

After getting a Cayo Perico completion, you have to wait for 48 real minutes for normal mode to be available again and even then you won't get good RNG with your layouts and that takes a lot of time. The one extra fingerprint hack on hard mode shouldn't even be a problem and plus it takes a bit longer to go into the continue or quick restart screen since you have one extra life so you pretty much have to die twice and on hard mode the one life makes it a bit quicker so you can try again for the elite challenge assuming you got your desired layout. As @NegraruSpeedruns said, you can keep repeating the Cayo Perico heist if you have your desired RNG with the secondary loot.

 

It's not a question of whether or not the fingerprint hack should/ shouldn't be a problem. The fact is that 2 fingerprints need to be done in succession versus the 1 on normal which is a handicap as it is. This has also been the case with Casino hacks.

[MoriTheCat]

4 hours ago, NegraruSpeedruns said:

Completely disagree, the fact that a hard Elite was submitted means the player ran their full run on the hardest challenge available. Unlike RTA rulings, Elite rulings on the v3 leaderboards were always made in accordance to the best plays done by hardcore players on the hardest challenge available. If you have a problem with that, the CP category isn't for you. Don't try to discredit all of our Hard mode submissions just because you're lazy to put in the effort to farm the appropriate layout you want. I did it, I farm hard layouts and run these times; that means you have to do it as well. You aren't privileged in this matter.

 

Realistic or not, that's only up to your dedication and consistency and yours alone. I have no problem with it.

I'm not trying to discredit people who do the heist in hard mode, I know the amount of time and effort put into those.

I'm just saying that if we don't limit the submissions to hardmode and people could focus on improving their heist rather than spending time grinding for layouts, we will probably see more people come with more impressive runs.

But that's just my opinion  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯