The Elite Challenges Grand Leaderboard v3

[madebyWITT]

I haven't gotten any new messages regarding the amount of POVs topic since yesterday.
Not only the majority but literally everyone (who've voiced their opinions either here or in PMs) thinks that it's more than fair to require a minimum of 2 POVs for all submissions, despite being a little more inconvenient than before. This'll be added to the rules section shortly, as well updating.

Casino Heists will receive platform specific sections once there's more runs (to avoid just making tons of empty sections)
Casino Heists will get specific sections for each of the Big Con approaches, so that we can see some competition in Bugstars/Maintenance/Yung and not only Gruppe6 as that'd remain the meta otherwise.

 

22 hours ago, NegraruSpeedruns said:

Alright Witt, whatever dude. You do you, this is your leaderboard thread, I'm not going to bring it up anymore

Yoo, I may be just one man running it, but doing so for all of us as a whole, which is why I kindly asked you to express your opinion too. So that I could make decisions based on the majority of opinions from people who actually use these leaderboards, it's coolio to remain neutral and not express any opinion of course  

Edited October 20, 2020 by madebyWITT

[madebyWITT]

New times added to leaderboard:
Act I (First Person): Lehel15-RMA, Mrs_RockNRoll (2:55, PC)

Humane Labs: Jasonmarsz, Mysiphobia_, ST-DFzy622, WITHONE_Sy (7:10*, PC)

Act II: Dr-Geroge, SMSmith1990 (7:59, PS4)

Big Con (Full Take): ______W______, ELITE_ongi1432, Grumbler1 (9:37, PC)

Series A: mikon219, Mysiphobia_, westwood124124, WITHONE_Sy (4:12*, PC)

Series A:mikon219, ST-DFzy622, westwood124124, WITHONE_Sy (4:07*, PC)

Congrats on new great times and WR's, welcome ______W______, ELITE_ongi1432, Grumbler1, mikon219, ST-DFzy622, westwood124124 & WITHONE_Sy to the leaderboards and HoF

 Awaiting second POV before added to leaderboards:

Fleeca Job: toxiccaliber99, oxmat1995 (4:29*, PS4) @danevans364
Pacific Standard: juinior_brum2, oxmat1995, pb-berto, toxiccaliber99 (7:55*, PS4) @danevans364
Fleeca Job: EunkiIL, GaeWorld (4:24*, PC) @EunkilL
Act III: Mqster_Survival, NegSpeedruns, RAVERTZAO (13:27, PS4) @NegraruSpeedruns

 

Obsolete as of updating, added to spreadsheets:

Series A: mikon219, Mysiphobia_, westwood124124, WITHONE_Sy (4:20*, PC)

 

Already in spreadsheets, considered obsolete as both players got a better time in same section:

Act II: SMSmith1990, ThitiyaNirvana (8:28, PS4)    

 

Few name changes and old names on leaderboard as well, feel free to say if want you own name swapped to a new name and if any old names in HoF 

 

e: Fixed a link here as well some in OP

Edited October 21, 2020 by madebyWITT

[yooncm]

 

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Edited November 1, 2020 by yooncm

[NiceDay]

Pacific Standard 7 : 37 ( 7 : 45 )  PC

Member : 
GunMulZoo , Cyberpopzoe , StarryNight_ , BigBoy00700

 

 

[Neg96]

Gotcha Witt,

 

  I appreciate your ability to adequately maintain this thread and I also appreciate your level of professionalism when it comes to the initial rulings you made as well as the structure of your post updates.

 

With that being said, I respectfully disagree with the ruling tied around the requirement for multiple POV's per one submission and I will explain why in a few brief points:

 

A. One POV is more than enough to justify a legitimate run SO LONG as the run displays the players in the lobby screen. This way, it is acknowledged that all players who participate in the mission are in fact the correct players in question.

B. Multiple POV's isn't substantial unless we were to be showcasing new strategies to help players that may be watching our content. Different POV's narrate different roles - Et. Act 2 Sub/Air team, Act 3 right/left, Act 1 rusher/clearer, etc. This in no way questions or appertains to legitimacy.

C. As far as previous rulings went, the bare minimum requirements for a time submission were put and should always stay in effect. Asking for multiple POV's is essentially asking for extra Icing on the Cake.

D. What if the other players in question don't have a Youtube channel, Twitch or simply forgot to record the footage? Are you going to void a newly set record simply because these players couldn't provide extra context? This ruling you made fails to demonstrate considerability on the other player's behalf(s).

D.1. What if other players in question are not yet part of GTAForums or even part of this Elite v3 Leaderboard? I can name more than a handful of top-tier players that fall in this category. Again, the ruling falls out of consideration for these players.

E. As per Speedrun.com rulings (A website that set the traction for official speedrun rulings and has far more engagement and traffic due to its high-volume diversity) only one POV is required for a time posting. This is because they acknowledge the previous points I mentioned.

 

With these points in question, I believe that making rulings shouldn't be factored by a democracy of participant votes. It should instead be managed and only associated with admins who thoroughly know and practice correct procedures for ruling. These admins should also be aware of the previous points I mentioned here in this post and how all points I made here are justified. I completely agreed with the rulings of Elite leaderboard v2 when Dan was maintaining it. As an admin, you should take notes from admins in Speedrun.com, they have been doing speedrun management longer than you have.

 

On a final note, I recommend you form a small team of administrators who can effectively manage and operate this thread who can follow these guidelines:

 

A. Members that have access to this thread as well as hardware associated to coming on this thread at least once every 2-3 days.

B. Members that can still commit to checking this thread despite any real-world engagements they may already have.

C. Members that adequately understand in-game mechanics for both platforms (console, PC).

C.1 Members that have already set previous records on any platform despite it being records here on Elite Leaderboards or Speedrun.com.

 

If we can have a small team of admins regulating the influx of posts, there will be less reliance on one person (MadebyWitt) to run inspections. This will ultimately save time.

 

I would like to nominate various players I found that would be capable of effectively administrating this thread:

 

StangOne - Knows in game mechanics and can thoroughly explain logical situations. StangOne would be great at uncovering exploits or other means of illegitimate methods used across submitted runs. StangOne has also shown considerable involvement in Grand Forums v2 and is an exceptional in-game player.

DanEvans - Not only does Dan understand regulations and standards considering he effectively managed v2, but he is exceptional at the game and can debunk mechanics. I'd assume he stopped v2 due to engagements, so it would be great to have him as a less committed admin.

Lerni - Active in Elite leaderboard and has substantial in-game experience. Also understands effective but fair ruling. I think Lerni pays a lot of attention to finer detail we may all have overlooked, incorporating new (unbiased) opinions to rulings will just fortify more justifiability in that aspect.

Thitaya - Member of both Speedrun.com and Elite Leaderboards, due to the submission of multiple runs, I believe Thitaya to be exceptional with in-game rulings as well as effective ruling procedures.

Myst - Same as Thitaya

Myself- I completed 59 Doomsday CM runs to date. I'm the sole provider of the best Doomsday strategy guide that can be found on XBA.com as well as PST.org which covers various in-game dynamics. Also, just like Witt, I manage a smaller leaderboard that covers CM runs, Real Time Attacks as well as Elite Challenges along with the justified ruleset created for them in accordance. I can also inspect this forum daily or every other day,

Edited October 30, 2020 by NegraruSpeedruns

[madebyWITT]

Understood and appreciate the feedback  Any changes can and will be fine tuned - and/or reverted when/if need be, time will tell. Replying in more detail tomorrow, or well technically later today^^

[madebyWITT]

@Negraru & everyone

 

Again understood and appreciated. Any changes can and of course will be fine tuned - and/or reverted when/if need be, either way here's a couple of the main reasonings:

 

One POV should be plenty to verify, just like speedrun.com, with the same high standards as speedrun.com. But with some added limitations like banned hangar speed, animation skips etc there's also more things to look out for. Multiple POVs helps not only with that but also (tries to) ensure that macros and/or custom scripts weren't used - which sadly can be and have been hidden pretty well in multiplayer runs by simply not publishing said POV(s).
Claiming legitimacy of all, up to 4, players by just watching/verifying one single POV is next to impossible, of course there still has to be a certain level of trust(!), but history on these leaderboards have shown some mixed ideas over time(!).. And I'd like to still keep the level of trust high despite that, so yeah I'm not going to be asking for all, up to 4, POVs.

 

Multiple POVs also require that extra bit of coordination before even starting, this should also decrease the submissions of runs where one or more players do not wish potential runs to be posted here/any leaderboards. This hasn't been a major issue (AFAIK) but still is one. I do as well know a good amount of highly skilled players who just likes to heist fast, on WR paces, yet no wish to be on any leaderboard (regardless if having an account of any video platform or here on GTAF). 

 

This ruling is only in consideration to everyone related to the leaderboards behalf(s), with exactly those considerations in mind but also GTAF leaderboards own history, that the democracy backs this is not the main factor but rather only a big plus.

 

This will indeed be of an inconvenience if forgetting to record, or worse if recordings gets corrupted.

 

The idea of a small team to maintain the leaderboards is also what partly delayed me in posting v3 in the first place (as well had talks about doing that a while back with v2). This would ideally be very good indeed but depends on the team itself of course. The reason for not doing this, initially with v3, also comes down the history of the GTAF leaderboards - which, frankly, speaks against it. I'm not sure of what your former nickname is or how long you've been around really, but I assume you know a fair bit^^

 

Nothing is set in stone and we'll have to see how it goes with a minimum of 2 POVs. 

 

I've got two secondary POVs of the two separate Pacific runs, one of which, by the looks of it, one player is using hangar speed, intentionally or not - the gain only looks the be the same as what was lost - but it does invalidate the run by current rulings (carried on from v2, a ruling unlike say speedrun.com, one I'm keen on removing).
 

[Neg96]

Fair points, well addressed.

 

Nonetheless, my argument still stands. Speedrun.com showcases full RTA and Criminal Mastermind speedruns. While they do not showcase Elite Challenges (as on here), the same (or similar gameplay) will be used to run the RTA's.

 

So despite players using animation skips or even hangar speed glitches on PC or even graphics deprecation, those runs still get approved even with a singular POV on that website. I still believe that Speedrun.com should serve as a rubric for any speedrun forum/website.

 

Along the topic of illegitimate methods being used by PC players in submitted runs, I find it unfair that their actions dictate a universal ruling to us console players as well; last I recall, I have never seen an illegitimate console run posted on this forum. I know (almost all) console runners and I know of none that use mods to bypass various parts of a speedrun. On console, we also have no control over frame data but we still do animation skips as well as lobby skips (for full RTA runs) with the in-game mechanics provided to us.

 

Moreso, how does minimum 2 POV submission justify any regards for uncovering any cheaters? As a 4 man team, person A and B could simply submit their legitimate gameplay while person C and D does the exploits. Boom, illegitimate run approved. 

Edited November 1, 2020 by NegraruSpeedruns

[xInfected_Virus]

With the modders on PC the other two players who didn't provide a POV can abuse the system and use scripts, mods and faster frame rates (although they may already be using faster frame rates even on legit runs that console players are capped at 60 fps and PC players can go up to 80-110 fps).

 

Glitches by game mechanics should be allowed as long you don't use external devices, mods or scripts that gives an unfair advantage however some glitches or tricks are PC exclusive such as the apartment teleport trick via jobs but that's only for full runs and not for elite challenges so that part is irrelevant. As a Goldeneye and Perfect Dark speedrunner on the N64, we're allowed to use glitches such as the well known clip skip on the first level on Perfect Dark which allows runners to beat the agent difficulty (easiest difficulty in the game) in five seconds but obviously we can't do hardware manipulation such as controller and console tampering that allows game breaking exploits that levels get beaten much quicker than normal outside the game mechanics or using TAS and passing it off as an "N64" run, instant perma ban if you do that. Yes I'm fully aware the games are very different from another era but what I'm saying is in game glitches are allowed but not external things outside of game mechanics which makes the game run faster than normal.

 

Console players should be allowed to have one POV imo like on Speedrun.com as there's pretty much no modding or scripts to allow for illegal unfair runs.

Edited November 1, 2020 by xInfected_Virus

[Neg96]

Definitely, Virus seems to also agree with my points.

 

I believe MadebyWitt is trying to consolidate the rulings for Elite v3 as a universal ruling for both PC and console players in a different means; since Witt is a PC player, I believe he is failing to acknowledge the regards of console players. Please read the following sub-points provided in reference to Speedrun.com RTA rulings:

 

A. Speedrun.com does not have separate leaderboards for PC and console; that is fine, but it is also fine that separate (and combined leaderboards) have existed in the Elite Leaderboard since version 1.

 

B. Speedrun.com DOES consolidate universal rulings for BOTH PC and Console runners which sets both by the same standards, which is fair. However they have a proper universal ruling system that ensures fairness among both console and PC players. Their ruleset allows one POV per submission, however the admin put under review of the run has complete authority over the leaderboard approval of the run. With this being said (pay special attention to this Witt):

 

- A single POV may be viable on here, HOWEVER it should be definitely be put under review by a team of admins (console and PC players) that have the final say in admin collaboration to whether or not the run in question should be justified and approved as a result (if the run appears to be illegitimate).

 

C. As far as consolidation for the rulings go on this forum, you should either do 1 of 2 things:

 

1. Make a universal ruling that is justified for both Console and PC players (like Speedrun.com)

2. Make a separate ruling that is only addressed to PC runners and one that is addressed to console runners.

 

 

[NiceDay]

Pacific Standard PC

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7 : 32 ( 7 : 40 ) 

Member : 

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[madebyWITT]

The main (unsaid) reasoning I had for making the ruling universal I do realize isn't as much of a current issue, staggered runs. This was just a case of a team trolling a bit a while back, sadly, and I shouldn't have referenced to only that at the time to justify it in my head, whoops.

Still a requirement of 2 POVs, regardless of platform, could make this harder to attempt as well help spot this better. But yeah again, not a current issue - I believe not at least! peepoChrist

 

The main reason for the ruling in the first place is a problem, without a doubt, exclusive to PC - just too many ''tools'' available (and too many playing with these on/off).

 

I do still strongly feel that this is a justified ruling, but perhaps indeed it's just one for PC only. I'll adjust the rules to fit this and for it to be clearly distinguishable.

PS: The 'Moreso..?' I already answered and addressed it in the previous message, but indeed still not a 100% guarantee in 3-4p runs 

Edited November 3, 2020 by madebyWITT

[xInfected_Virus]

Quote

• Casino Heists' (Any take) and (Full take) definitions
• (Any take) allows for any take as well any buyer, (Full take) requires full take in the casino vault as well high buyer

With the full take definition, it seems pretty vague to me. Obviously you select high buyer but how much can be left over in the vault though? 

 

Someone could use the 3% hacker on a two player run which makes it near impossible to get all the Artwork and leave with about two paintings left over and say "That's all the time we have". 

 

Here's what could be done to make it more clear on what "full take" is. 

• Two player runs: All Artwork MUST be taken otherwise the run should be invalid so no choosing 3% hacker and saying "We have no time left". If going for Gold then ALL gold MUST be taken regardless of the configuration as it's possible to take all the gold with even two trays in the middle configuration. With Cash, one tray can be left over although the other seven trays MUST be taken otherwise the run should be invalid. Two player runs make things more challenging.
• Three and Four player runs: EVERYTHING in the vault MUST be taken regardless of vault contents, any hacker could be chosen as long all the take you can get everything in that time. Runs should be invalid if they miss out collecting ALL Cash or Gold on the last tray.

The new proposal rules should make full take a bit more challenging and force players to empty the vault.

 

Thought about this proposed ruling to make full take definition more clearer? Maybe pre clear definition runs could be grandfathered in I guess or start a new leaderboard under the new proposed definition.

 

[madebyWITT]

6 hours ago, xInfected_Virus said:

With the full take definition, it seems pretty vague to me.

 

Seems like just rewording the current definition (thus no grandfathered runs). I can change/add wordings like ''full'' to ''all paintings/carts'' if people don't find it clear enough, although I don't personally get how ''full'' can be mistaken for ''not full''? If you fail to get the ''full'' take due to running short on 3% time, it's simply just ''not full''???  

But of course it can maybe be cut out even more if needed.

''Full/all'' would go for cash carts too, regardless if 2p, 3p, or 4p, so cash just won't be a possible option for 2p. I can only see ''cash 7/8'' causing more confusion, as well it'll defeat the term ''full/all'' (+ far off the META anyway). 

Gold has to be ''full/all'' as well or course, but in 2p it'll be that one minute (or so) slower and thus art remains the META. As well as there's the META buyers, getaway vehicles, properties aso. (Like there's META properties and vehicles in old and doomsday heists.)

[xInfected_Virus]

6 minutes ago, madebyWITT said:

 

Seems like just rewording the current definition (thus no grandfathered runs). I can change/add wordings like ''full'' to ''all paintings/carts'' if people don't find it clear enough, although I don't personally get how ''full'' can be mistaken for ''not full''? If you fail to get the ''full'' take due to running short on 3% time, it's simply just ''not full''???  

But of course it can maybe be cut out even more if needed.

''Full/all'' would go for cash carts too, regardless if 2p, 3p, or 4p, so cash just won't be a possible option for 2p. I can only see ''cash 7/8'' causing more confusion, as well it'll defeat the term ''full/all'' (+ far off the META anyway). 

Gold has to be ''full/all'' as well or course, but in 2p it'll be that one minute (or so) slower and thus art remains the META. As well as there's the META buyers, getaway vehicles, properties aso. (Like there's META properties and vehicles in old and doomsday heists.)

True obviously you can't do full take cash with two people, it's just not possible. If you fall short in collecting any vault contents then the runs should be invalid as they didn't take the full take as required. Maybe add on the ruleset "Everything must be taken in the vault regardless of number of players and vault contents or the run will be invalid as the full take requirement was not met" just to make it more transparent. 

[WITHONE_Sy]

The Pacific Standard Job：mikon219，Mysiphobia_，WITHONE_Sy，X-M-R_（7：34，PC）

mikon219：https://b23.tv/2bsSkp

WITHONE_Sy：https://b23.tv/mveVKM

X-M-R_：https://b23.tv/NV4NVv

 

Edited November 4, 2020 by WITHONE_Sy

[MSV76EA]

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Edited November 7, 2020 by MSV76EA

[pb-berto]

On 11/1/2020 at 6:59 AM, xInfected_Virus said:

With the modders on PC the other two players who didn't provide a POV can abuse the system and use scripts, mods and faster frame rates (although they may already be using faster frame rates even on legit runs that console players are capped at 60 fps and PC players can go up to 80-110 fps).

 

Glitches by game mechanics should be allowed as long you don't use external devices, mods or scripts that gives an unfair advantage however some glitches or tricks are PC exclusive such as the apartment teleport trick via jobs but that's only for full runs and not for elite challenges so that part is irrelevant. As a Goldeneye and Perfect Dark speedrunner on the N64, we're allowed to use glitches such as the well known clip skip on the first level on Perfect Dark which allows runners to beat the agent difficulty (easiest difficulty in the game) in five seconds but obviously we can't do hardware manipulation such as controller and console tampering that allows game breaking exploits that levels get beaten much quicker than normal outside the game mechanics or using TAS and passing it off as an "N64" run, instant perma ban if you do that. Yes I'm fully aware the games are very different from another era but what I'm saying is in game glitches are allowed but not external things outside of game mechanics which makes the game run faster than normal.

 

Console players should be allowed to have one POV imo like on Speedrun.com as there's pretty much no modding or scripts to allow for illegal unfair runs.

Currently Console fps is capped at 30fps unstable...

Ps5 backwards compatability looks to be 30fps stable

Ps5 enhanced version is likely to be 60fps though

 

Goldeneye and Perfect dark are both offline games to my knowledge and so it is always possible to play them in there original version, we are playing online and without crazy hacking on pc you can´t play an old version. And so glitches are getting patched...

allowing glitches would give us problems like.

I only publish my runs when the gamechanging glitch i found got patched. (If they stay after being patched)

people getting mad and frustrated when their run is getting patched and removed (if we would remove patched runs which would a lot of administration work and frustration to players...)

 

Console players can cheat too, less but we can.

examples

1. godmode (almost every year somebody finds out a godmodeglitch)

2. teleport (to hide the teleport i would try to only teleport whilst the person with the pov is in a cutscene and so you don´t see it on the minimap) 

3. the skip animation glitch (to hide the minimap simply pretend like im changing my settings or sth like that get creative^^)

4. I could do a lot with makros 

list goes on but not trying to make a guide

 

little tip: on console you can teleport to your appartment with a diffrent strat go to editior and re-accept the invite to the session and so you spawn at your set spawnpoint (your appartment) not as timesaving as on pc of course, but it still saves a lot 

 

im personally ok with providing

2/2 2/3 3/4

[-FixyourBUG]

Silent & Sneaky 7:07 (Any Take)
-FixyourBUG And  ______W______

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jQLek_19nM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EoHKWx7Ckk

[yooncm]

Prison Break 2:21 (PC)

 

Yooncm: Demo

-Dongha: Pilot

Heizze: Prison Officer

Yoshiyuki_0: Prisoner

 

 

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Humane Labs 7:08 (PC)

ground :REVENANT: https://youtu.be/upToDLZfyUc

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[madebyWITT]

Reupdated rules some days ago to correspond the recent discussions; requirements of minimum 2 POVs for a valid PC submission, while Current/Last Gen remains at the requirement of 1 POV. 
As well added additional clarification about Any take/Full take.
 

That said I'd still like to see this as global requirement (perhaps just needs further consideration and ''fine tuning'', from me incl.^^), not only because I think it's plenty fair (and frankly also justified, even if smaller justifications depending on platform, but they're still there) to further built on both transparency and added integrity on runs (especially 2P) but as well because it's actually backed by people in question (console players) - except one(?). It's still a slightly 'bigger' change compared to before so this'll do for now.

 

New times added to leaderboard:

Fleeca Job: toxiccaliber99, oxmat1995 (4:29*, PS4)
Pacific Standard: juinior_brum2, oxmat1995, pb-berto, toxiccaliber99 (7:55*, PS4) 
Act III 3P: Mqster_Survival, NegSpeedruns, RAVERTZAO (13:27, PS4)

Pacific Standard: __StarryNight__, BongSuk2, GunMulZoo, TequilaLay925 (7:32*, PC)
Silent & Sneaky (Any take) 3P: ______W______, Jobasim106, pecsod (7:03, PC)

Silent & Sneaky (Full take) 2P: ______W______, Grumbler1 (10:05, PC)

Pacific Standard: mikon219, Mysiphobia_, WITHONE_Sy, X-M-R_ (7:34*, PC)

Silent & Sneaky (Any take) 2P: ______W______, -FixyourBUG (7:07, PC)

Prison Break: -Doughs, Heizze, Yooncm, Yoshiyuki_0 (2:21, PC)

Humane Labs: eliteboy912, Mysiphobia_, REVENANT, ST-DFzy622 (7:08*, PC)

 

Congrats on new great times and WR's, welcome: __StarryNight__, -Donghs, -FixyourBUG, BongSuk2, eliteboy912, GunMulZoo, Heizze, Jobasim106, pecsod, TequilaLay925, X-M-R_, Yooncm & Yoshiyuki_0 to the leaderboards and HoF, 

 

Times not added, with reasons:

Pacific Standard: BigBoy00700, Cyberpopzoe, GunMulZoo, StarryNight_ (7:37*, PC) [Second video sent in PM is unavailable, final reminder] @NiceDay

Fleeca Job: EunkiIL, GaeWorld (4:24*, PC) [Second video not received, final reminder] @EunkilL

Edited November 21, 2020 by madebyWITT

[yooncm]

Hi. Thank you for adding.

One of our names listed is wrong.

 

 

His name is -Donghs, not -Doughs.

Sorry to be a bother.

 

[madebyWITT]

1 hour ago, yooncm said:

One of our names listed is wrong.

His name is -Donghs, not -Doughs.

Sorry to be a bother.

Oopsies, I'll fix that shortly

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Pacific Standard (7:30) (PC)

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Edited November 29, 2020 by __JFla__

[NiceDay]

First :

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7: 31 ( 7 : 39 ) 

Member : TOMA_TO , BongSuk2 , GunMulZoo , TequilaLay925

TOMA_TO  video 

 

BongSuk2 video

 

 

 

 

Second :

Pacific Standard 

7: 31 ( 7 : 39 ) 

Member : __StarryNight__ , BongSuk2 , GunMulZoo , TequilaLay925

 

BongSuk2 Video

https://youtu.be/X062CqHJUbQ

 

 

GunMulZoo Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgHqhfSY774

 

 

Edited December 5, 2020 by NiceDay
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[NiceDay]

Pacific Standard

7 : 30 ( 7 : 38 ) 

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BongSuk2 Video 

https://youtu.be/qpo12L07aSU

 

 

Edited December 5, 2020 by NiceDay
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[NiceDay]

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[NiceDay]

Pacific Standard

7 : 28 ( 7 : 36 )

Member : __StarryNight__ , BongSuk2 , GunMulZoo , TequilaLay925

 

__StarryNight__ Video

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[xInfected_Virus]

Casino Heist Big Con Full Take Elite in 11:23 on PS4.

Players: @xInfected_Virusand @ChiroVette
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/831229928

Warning: Audio contains some nose blowing due to my allergies. Also not sure if videos made on Twitch via highlight selection lasts only 14 days since it's my first time posting videos online because I know Twitch VODs only last for 14 days if your not a Prime member.

ChiroVette's POV coming soon.

Edited December 9, 2020 by xInfected_Virus
Forgot to add platform.