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Mach1bud
1 hour ago, The Jungz said:

The ones funding the game have no place critiquing the game because they're contributing to the problem at hand.

 

If you're not happy with the product you were given, stop funding the ones making it - it's as simple as that.

 

If someone keeps getting disappointed by something and yet they also keep throwing money at it, they're quite simply, fools.

Ah yeah I agree here.

 

I'll keep making my regular annual shark card purchase then.

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docpain222
On 8/29/2020 at 8:35 PM, Fun 2 said:

This is a situation that kept escalating over the years. Most importantly, you have to bear in mind that Rockstar deals with instances like this at a global scale, and if the worst case were to happen, that is if the character wipe were to sweep legitimate players of all progress, then Rockstar would respond back with a global-scale restitution process.

 

The policies against such acts kept changing and becoming much harsher and more detailed over time. It was only last year, that a new policy was established, in which Rockstar dipped into the specifics of acts like glitching and pledged severe penalties to whoever abuse such methods, and no one took it seriously.

 

Just like how Rockstar deals with such instances globally, the severity of the wipe is considered on a global scale basis. Even if Rockstar were to set aside the legislation, which is extremely unlikely to happen, the response to the casino chip glitch was evident enough for players to think twice before participating in such act.

To be clear, I'm not resenting you or anything, I too would have preferred it if Rockstar chooses the proper sentence for such acts based on the severity of the exploitation, but I can't blame them for something a player should have thought twice before doing.

Do you think they target certain accounts and not others? For example, If one account has bought shark cards versus one that never has. Or one account has a smaller number of time spent in game compared to one that has been around since the beginning. I really think they take into account what profit they make off of each account before wiping it but then again I feel like that would take alot of work to do. 

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On 8/29/2020 at 1:40 PM, Jenkiiii said:

However, the people who abused the recent trade-in glitch have been warned in the past, as I was also warned after doing the Lester find a plane glitch last year. Everyone who was wiped received the same formal message alerting them that they had been caught and that it wouldn't be tolerated in the future,

yep this was a "thats it" moment for me, before the lester glitch i have had R* adjust my account balance a couple times but getting that splash screen with my name and a formal warning was enough for me to retire from nefarious activities involving money.

 

its not worth the risk of losing 7 years, thousands of hours of progress, all my collectibles etc etc

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The Jungz
49 minutes ago, Fun 2 said:

Generalization is leading you nowhere, it's no different if I say you are part of the problem, because you acquired the current gen version when you were aware of how grindy the last gen version was. Also, those people you generalize are much likely to stop supporting at times of disappointment and do the opposite at times of satisfaction.

It is different and in no way a generalization. I've given Rockstar 60$ and at the time, it was a deserved purchase. Over the years, however, they've made it very clear that they want all of my money, not just a mere sixty bucks. And so they haven't gotten anymore out of me. They won't get me to buy the Remastered Remaster version and I won't be getting the next Grand Theft Auto because I already know its going to be a product of inferior quality to what we currently have, if that's even possible. I'm far from being the problem. If anything, the only problem I'm giving Rockstar is me glitching millions over and over again and them not being able to do a thing about it.
 

It's not hard to predict what Rockstar's plans are. Just like I knew Red Dead Online was going to be an unmitigated disaster before the game even released. I knew Rockstar were just going to lazily copy & paste the formula of GTA Online and apply it to Red Dead and that it obviously wouldn't work. I knew they'd still support GTA much more than Red Dead instead of trying to make both work on a similar scale. 
 

I think it's pretty clear where Rockstar are headed and the only way to make them understand that the direction they're taking isn't the right one for fans of their games is to stop shoveling money at their face. If you see the writings on the wall, then stop buying shark cards because if not, you're letting Rockstar know that what we have at the moment is perfectly acceptable. 

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lVlarko
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i got reset but i didnt give a fuск to be honest with you. im not the type of person who collects cars or grinds businesses. i just play the game for fun to kill tryhards and help friends with heists and all i need is a property to spawn in, weapons to kill (buy bunker then moc for access to weapons at low level), and an oppressor mk2 for traveling. all you need really is 7 mil to get the above tbf.

 

i will give my two cents about what rockstar did tho.

i think they were harsh with the consequence for people who did this glitch. rather than completely deleting everything, they shouldve created a system where the players progress would revert to what they had before the glitch was done, not completely reset their character.

 

but again, no problem for me. i didnt do it on my main account.

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Pedinhuh
Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Fun 2 said:

Generalization is leading you nowhere, it's no different if I say you are part of the problem, because you acquired the current gen version when you were aware of how grindy the last gen version was.

I see your point and I won't debate that, but I should add that the grinding on last gen was 10x more bearable than what it is today.

 

Nonsense like 1.3 millions for a peasant 1st gen VW Golf wouldn't fly back then, specially when the game was still new and making the headlines of gaming websites(even though it was a broken mess).

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HamwithCheese

Yeah I don't blame the these idiots, the game has gotten ridiculous. But they should also know not to f*ck with the greediest game company out there, and should've expected this. 

 

I've glitched, and don't regret it. If I get caught, would I do it again? Absolutely.

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Fun 2
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1 hour ago, docpain222 said:

Do you think they target certain accounts and not others? For example, If one account has bought shark cards versus one that never has. Or one account has a smaller number of time spent in game compared to one that has been around since the beginning. I really think they take into account what profit they make off of each account before wiping it but then again I feel like that would take alot of work to do. 

There's a very specific stat that shows how much profit you have made off property trading, I would imagine them using that to trace the players who made crazy amounts of money between a specific time frame, that is from the moment the glitch appeared till it was hotfixed. In addition to that, the system shows how many times you have done it, so if it shows you doing it on many occasions, then something is off. Plus, the glitch required a free property or garage to make profit right? so it's much less likely for a legit player to be caught up in it since it's oddly specific. There you go, all the material you need to track the glitchers with no need to check the overall earnings.

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The G-Man

Stamding good lol

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Spectre "2K"

personally I saw it coming a mile away what with their warning after the LSIA glitch

 

not that I needed the money too badly anyway, but it felt way too easy

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EkaSwede

First I'd like to say that this glitch - much like LEster's Plane and Casino Chip Glitch - was extremely easy for Rockstar to detect and participating in it would be just foolish.

 

However I can't agree with character resets. They are counter-productive and only creates more cheating. Had I been the giver of punishment I'd just remove all money gotten through the glitch. And if you wouldn't have enough money on hand and bank because you spent it on car bonds thinking you were smart, surprise, you'd end up with negative money. And add a month of a temp ban or something.

 

Again, character reset is just stupid.

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AutobotJazz1
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No it didn't affect me in the slightest because I didn't do the glitch thankfully. I do have a great amount of sympathy for some of the players that got banned though. I don't know every individual player but I do know it can be extremely hard to make money sometimes in this very very toxic game. I truly feel sorry for the newer players because this sh*t can be  overwhelming and draining times. I don't necessarily agree with people doing glitches but I do understand why they do them. I think the punishment should have been a money wipe but again this isn't my game it's Rockstars game and they're going to do whatever the hell they want unfortunately.

 

Now I have to drag the sh*t out of Rockstar real quick. Again I know it's their game and I know they're going to do whatever the hell they want with it but it's funny this company refuses to keep the same energy when it comes to people who use actual harmful glitches such as godmode and that orbital cannon spam and whole bunch of other sh*t I probably don't know about still. On top of that they constantly promote griefers, try-hards and a whole bunch of other toxic things yet have the audacity to say in one of their newswire that they're trying to keep a healthy gaming environment. When I read that I'm just over here looking like🤔 the Gul of this company. Ya know I've been playing  GTAO since day 1 back in 2013 (2 days before my bday lol) and I've really enjoyed certain moments in this game I really have but after this situation where they clearly have double standard when it's comes to certain things, on top of the degenerate toxicity I can confidently say that I will never touch another Rockstar title again. Hell the only reason I'm even still hanging on to this game even just a little bit is because I'm waiting for the release of cyberpunk 2077. Once that's out I plan to just delete my character and everything. This game started out so damn great and they've just taken it on a 7 year journey of turning it into pure cow manure sh*t.

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dragosani00
Posted (edited)

Imagine what Bad Sport lobbies are like at the moment.

 

Half of them will be knobheads who didn't use the glitch and are at full "power" while the other half will be knobheads reset to level 1 with no money and no real means ot generating money (No coa work/free mode stuff in BS and I also believe they can't take part in jobs/races/missions etc?). All camped out at Fort Z trying to steal lazers to feed their need for mindless destruction while being picked off by the unaffected knobheads like shooting fish in a barrel. 😂🤣

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STRICOM
On 8/29/2020 at 9:35 PM, Fun 2 said:

They actually fixed a solo god mode glitch a few days ago (but glitchers were quick to find a workaround), are you referring to the Speedo custom glitch? If so, they have been aware of it for a long time now, but the fix is complicated, I would say it even requires a drastic change to the design aspect of the feature. The thing is the situation inside their studios is a race of resource consumption pressured by priorities and dealing with the unknown, that is all the issues we as players are unaware of.

I'm not trying to justify their reasoning to overlook such glitch for years now, it truly sucks, but I think Rockstar wants to abide by their standards or what is called professionalism, to fix the bug while maintaining the same layout, which at this point, I would consider Mission Impossible.

Rockstar would have fixed the issue if they were to set aside "professionalism" and just disable people from exiting the nightclub garage with the Speedo custom, simple as that. It's a stupid fix, but hey, there are much worse things in this game that is worth your frustration than not being able to exit your nightclub garage with your Speedo custom.

The issue with the speedo glitch is the players have come up with this impossible solution,

 

just let the Speedo Custom not be invulnerable while in the nightclub. There is nothing that a player could do to destroy it while inside... Even if it could be destroyed it would replace itself like my Annihilator(s) used to do when I did the "Store Any Vehicle in Facility" glitch. Rockstar needs to remove player/vehicle godmode in properties and develop another method of keeping players safe in their safe houses. Or maybe run a background script that periodically de-godmodes players and vehicles located above Y coordinate. Something has got to be possible. Guess it all goes back to resources...

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Gridl0k

Hey rockstar ban the god moders and I will drive to the arse end of the uk and detail your cars

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Midnight Ryder

My friend is back over 10 million with the dupes stacking up. Rockstar forced players who wouldn't consider glitching to go down that road. Instead of fixing the actual problem they sent prices into stratosphere. I love the game concept but not the economy. But $45K for a t-shirt??!!??

 

Game on.

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Posted (edited)
10 minutes ago, Midnight Ryder said:

My friend is back over 10 million with the dupes stacking up. Rockstar forced players who wouldn't consider glitching to go down that road. Instead of fixing the actual problem they sent prices into stratosphere. I love the game concept but not the economy. But $45K for a t-shirt??!!??

 

Game on.

Forced players to do gown that road? I don't buy shark cards, glitch or cheat and have made more than enough money though *playing the game* to buy what I want and still have £127 million sitting doing nothing. The only people "forced" to glitch are the immature and impatient kids with ADHD and no attention span who want everything NOW.

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Gridl0k

I think I paid about $45k for my first cargobob 😂

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Pedinhuh
28 minutes ago, Gridl0k said:

I think I paid about $45k for my first cargobob 😂

150k here :)

 

best purchase ever

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Midnight Ryder
48 minutes ago, dragosani00 said:

Forced players to do gown that road? I don't buy shark cards, glitch or cheat and have made more than enough money though *playing the game* to buy what I want and still have £127 million sitting doing nothing. The only people "forced" to glitch are the immature and impatient kids with ADHD and no attention span who want everything NOW.

Or adults with kids and jobs with long hours and don't want to devote all their precious little hours not working to play for hours to buy a car. Think before you pass judgement. I would argue adults do this more than kids because kids have all the time in the world. 

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Spectre143
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I did perform the exploit/glitch a considerable amount of times after it spread on social media like wildfire.

 

Lost 7 years of progress (1600 hours on PC) on a character I had since the Xbox 360 days + dozens of rare/hard to obtain vehicles (Rip Lost Slamvan 😢)

 

Never would have done it if:

  • The game wasn't a grindy mess
  • R* issued a statement minutes after everyone started to talk about it
  • R* lived up to their past principles of not taking drastic measures against in-game exploits/glitch users

Seriously, most companies would have issued a statement on social media before any "first time offender" considers abusing an exploit that literally only hurts Take Two's Shark Card revenue and Strauss Zelnick's offshore bank account.

 

Also I totally disagree that "first time offenders" should get a hard reset instead of an account rollback. Never seem any other company take such measures against an easy to replicate exploit. I could name one recent exception but it's not exactly microtransaction related.

 

Regarding that article, that one they posted to make sure support staff interns can just copy and paste vague and lame excuses regarding "HeAlThY gAmE eNvIrOnMeNt", literally any person that mass purchases Shark Cards would fall in the same category, except ya know... those players bring revenue. Wouldn't even surprise me if they start negotiating account rollbacks with Shark Card purchases.

 

Either way, what's done is done, not gonna bother doing 7 years of grind all over again when FiveM exists on PC + trying to get my hands on an insured Lost Slamvan on GtaOnline.

 

On the bright side, at least from now on I won't feel pressured anymore to run Act 2 finales only during whole weekends when from now on I can't even be certain if they will "eventually" start taking actions against accounts that manipulate cloud saves to gain "illegitimate GTA$" quickly.

 

To be honest, I'm not pissed about losing all my progress. I am however angry that TakeTwo/R* decides all the sudden to twist vague ToS/EULA statements for their own benefit and then retroactively apply penalties on first time offenders.

 

Pretty sure that's borderline illegal but it's not like you have much of a chance against a corporate legal department in America.

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Doctor-Anarchy 🇬🇧

Maybe the people who got reset, who claim to be innocent? they bought that apartment once because they wanted it? not knowing about the glitch? Its possible? 

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Neuling2000
7 hours ago, EkaSwede said:

First I'd like to say that this glitch - much like LEster's Plane and Casino Chip Glitch - was extremely easy for Rockstar to detect and participating in it would be just foolish.

 

However I can't agree with character resets. They are counter-productive and only creates more cheating. Had I been the giver of punishment I'd just remove all money gotten through the glitch. And if you wouldn't have enough money on hand and bank because you spent it on car bonds thinking you were smart, surprise, you'd end up with negative money. And add a month of a temp ban or something.

 

Again, character reset is just stupid.

A reset is better than over a billion negative money

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Midnight Ryder
4 minutes ago, Neuling2000 said:

A reset is better than over a billion negative money

But still worse than wiping the money from the glitch and deleting 7 years of work.

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kenmy13999
2 hours ago, Doctor-Anarchy 🇬🇧 said:

Maybe the people who got reset, who claim to be innocent? they bought that apartment once because they wanted it? not knowing about the glitch? Its possible? 

Wouldn't surprise me if that was the case 

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Ghoffman9

Rockstar knew those players most certainly used the glitched money they obtained to buying everything in the game they could want. Meaning just a money wipe would not be quite an effective punishment as the players would still get out ahead from buying what they could before it was taken. I am no programmer but I think Rockstar would find it impossible to distinguish what things the player bought legitimately from what things they bought using glitched money on an individual case by case basis and decided to just go for the nuclear option and nuke everything.

 

Honestly the players should have known better. Rockstar has done wipes before in response to serious money exploits and not hard to imagine them doing it again. I was a little afraid myself cause I got 100 million in my account from legitimate grinding and feared Rockstar would look at that and assume I glitched to get it all, and thankfully I was not one of the innocent people caught in the net and have not lost anything.

3 hours ago, dragosani00 said:

Forced players to do gown that road? I don't buy shark cards, glitch or cheat and have made more than enough money though *playing the game* to buy what I want and still have £127 million sitting doing nothing. The only people "forced" to glitch are the immature and impatient kids with ADHD and no attention span who want everything NOW.

Precisely. I made ridiculous amounts of money doing the Diamond Casino heists. Averaging about 1.4 million as a host each run. Thanks to Diamond Casino, goals are much more achievable than they were in the past.

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EkaSwede
48 minutes ago, Neuling2000 said:

A reset is better than over a billion negative money

How do you spend a billion dollars in a very short time?

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Spectre143
Posted (edited)
42 minutes ago, Midnight Ryder said:

But still worse than wiping the money from the glitch and deleting 7 years of work.

Also almost every "live-service" business nowadays has a network structure to perform "Server Rollbacks" in case anything VERY bad happens.

 

Literally almost no one would complain if they took a lazy approach and just rolled back their servers for every single GtaOnline account before the exploit/glitch was abused + gave a everyone free 1-2 million GTA$ as compensation.

 

The server rollback would also solve the issue where the glitcher/exploiter would also stockpile Vigilantes/Deluxos + other assets for sale after a money wipe/readjustment.

 

Perfect solution for the issue that they created in the first place.

 

But no... targeting players with full resets to maximize Shark Card sales profit takes less effort apparently.

It's not like anyone that's been punished can now complain when they can just change their wording on which glitches/exploits would warrant actions against your account + apply penalties retroactively.

 

An there you have it. Now they created an environment where any "shady" method of getting GTA$ could warrant an account reset if it causes long term damage to their bank balance. Fear of account resets will keep any player thinking twice when attempting to get GTA$ quickly without resorting to Shark Cards.

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VROmead

I havent played this game for months, and got wiped clean of my level 600+ character who still had 70 of the 140 mill I grinded from heists. Rockstar lost a repeat customer, for good. 

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Lonely-Martin
29 minutes ago, Spectre143 said:

Literally almost no one would complain if they took a lazy approach and just rolled back their servers for every single GtaOnline account before the exploit/glitch was abused + gave a everyone free 1-2 million GTA$ as compensation.

Yes I would, so would many.

 

In that time I may have unlocked rare t-shirts, including this alien outfit from Solomon's collectibles. Others, especially newer players may have just unlocked loads like trade prices or allsorts of tattoos and other bits too, and some like heists may havd taken plenty of effort to find willing teammates/randons too. Plus daily objective streaks.

 

Why should all the legitimate players have to suffer any negative consequences because of those that didn't adhere to the warning they got when they first joined online and broke rules?

 

That would bring a mountain of negative press. And a couple of million wouldn't even half compensate me for what I'd have earned in that time either. I run daily casino heists, often twice. 2m is 2 days gaming, 3 at worst, lol.

 

Sod that!

 

2 hours ago, Spectre143 said:

 

  • R* issued a statement minutes after everyone started to talk about it

All due respect to that, they shouldn't need to issue a statement considering every player that joined online had to accept the 'don't glitch/cheat' spashscreen. It's more on players to pay attention to what they do online to be sure of no wipes/resets I feel.

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