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Geisterfaust
Posted (edited)
19 hours ago, Jenkiiii said:

I therefore have mixed feelings as I know that people crossed the line and sufficient warning had been served in the past, but the severity of this wipe on good people who create great content for Rockstar is bordering on the obscene.

The wipe has nothing to do with the people who create content. Did the glitch? Here you go. No matter who you are or how are you contributing. Byt they way, all these contributions are absolutely voluntary and not really serving R*. They just want shark sales and user created content is not their priority.  Ban system is automated and R* don't care at all, this kind of treatment is a norm for PC since 2015 and it was a matter of time when R* resorts to it on consoles.

 

When you're glitching, it's better to be ready. On PC I was legit for a long time, but I still have three modded accounts in case my primary will get reset.

 

With the predatory shark sales it's a game of cat and mouse, because after some time playing this game legit will cost you more than glitching and buying accounts.

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Black-Dragon96
1 hour ago, Ker Juice said:

Wouldn’t you be harder on someone who disrespected you for the second time- someone you already punished before, for doing it the first time?

A punishment should always fit the crime.

In this case, people glitched money and bought stuff with it. Taking away the glitched cash and the things bought with it would have been the fitting punishment. Combine that with some thinking time, aka a 1 month temp ban and it would have had a good impact.

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Gunbladelad
15 hours ago, Black-Dragon96 said:

Before they ban people for glitching cash, they should consider banning godmode jets and speedos. And before that happens, I personally could not give any less of a f*ck about people who glitch their cash.

At no point in my post did I limit my suggestion to money glitchers alone - but perhaps you were thinking that I intended a complete ban for first time offenders - which is inaccurate.

If someone does a game-breaking glitch once (money or god mode) then there is a possibility - however slim (microscopically slim if you ask me) - that it was accidental.  However, repeated usage of the glitch is definitely NOT accidental and anyone who repeatedly abuses glitches to gain an unfair advantage over legitimate players should be permanently banned from ever playing the online mode - or forever relegated to "cheats only" lobbies where their activities will never impact legitimate players again.

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Midnight Ryder

If you have a friend affected do your best to make them whole.

 

Eases the pain a bit

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Posted (edited)

My main account has not been hit but I never did the glitch on it

 

My spare account has been wiped, atleast according to the email but I did the glitch on it.

 

Some of my friends say they haven't done it and were still wiped so idk how they choose who to wipe

 

edit- as far as how it has affected me personally, it didn't really have any affect on me at all because the spare acc was a account I use only if my main goes to badsport lol and I know it could've possibly been wiped😶

 

Ngl it's pretty funny seeing the same tryhards who used to try to terrorize lobbies running around on level 8 accounts getting killed by level 20s :kekw:

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Fun 2
Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, Black-Dragon96 said:

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

We know their Anti-Cheat-Bot is sh*t and that false positives have happened in the past. We also dont know what exactly triggered the bot so there is a possibility that people were wrongfully caught up in the wave.

I find that hard to believe, due to how specific it could get from the technical aspect. I don't know how Rockstar have exactly done it, but if I were to guess, I would say it's a process that starts with checking whether your seventh or eighth property slots are used before proceeding to check how much money you have earned from property trade via filtering out the "earn_from_property_trade" stat and checking how many times or on how many occasions have you traded in your properties, then verifying both results upon a certain criteria that determines who's glitching and who's not. It can get more oddly specific than that since Rockstar have the records and can see what was the value of the seventh or eighth property and what is the current value. You can easily find a pattern that way and find out who's glitching.

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3 hours ago, septimoose said:

However, I do not think the punishment fits the crime. Cash "adjustment" would be fair. Cash adjustment and 30-day ban would be acceptable. To me, a character reset would be the equivalent of a permanent ban. I wouldn't return to the game, and I'd be a bit gutted at the loss of all the memories I've made in this game.

This all smacks of R* just getting exasperated at all the constant money glitching/cheating that goes on and finally losing their patience with subtle penalties as they clearly were not working, at the end of the day they are a business and have to protect their bottom line. A drastic action such as this may make a lot of poeple think twice next time a money glitch exploit is 'discovered'.....well you would think so anyway.

 

Personally I'd have been fine with these cheaters getting wiped AND thrown in bad sport for a month.

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Black-Dragon96
1 hour ago, Gunbladelad said:

At no point in my post did I limit my suggestion to money glitchers alone - but perhaps you were thinking that I intended a complete ban for first time offenders - which is inaccurate.

If someone does a game-breaking glitch once (money or god mode) then there is a possibility - however slim (microscopically slim if you ask me) - that it was accidental.  However, repeated usage of the glitch is definitely NOT accidental and anyone who repeatedly abuses glitches to gain an unfair advantage over legitimate players should be permanently banned from ever playing the online mode - or forever relegated to "cheats only" lobbies where their activities will never impact legitimate players again.

And imo people who do moneyglitches shouldn't be banned at all.

It isnt gamebreaking and the effect on the game is minimal. There are things far more gamebraking that people will not get banned for.

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Fish_head

I can’t say for sure how people make their money in this game. But I’ve felt for a long time that legit methods are routinely trolled by a player base that have never had to earn their way legitimately. Bored billionairres on mk2s are like a virus. A few are probably legit and simply bored of the grind, but I’m certain that most don’t even know what grinding is.   Reckon a chunk of them are about to find out in order to repurchase thier beloved oppressors.

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1 hour ago, Fun 2 said:

I find that hard to believe, due to how specific it could get from the technical aspect. I don't know how Rockstar have exactly done it, but if I were to guess, I would say it's a process that starts with checking whether your seventh or eighth property slots are used before proceeding to check how much money you have earned from property trade via filtering out the "earn_from_property_trade" stat and checking how many times or on how many occasions have you traded in your properties, then verifying both results upon a certain criteria that determines who's glitching and who's not. It can get more oddly specific than that since Rockstar have the records and can see what was the value of the seventh or eighth property and what is the current value. You can easily find a pattern that way and find out who's glitching.

tell me why Rockstar doesn't ban cheaters ?

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1 hour ago, Fish_head said:

I can’t say for sure how people make their money in this game. But I’ve felt for a long time that legit methods are routinely trolled by a player base that have never had to earn their way legitimately. Bored billionairres on mk2s are like a virus. A few are probably legit and simply bored of the grind, but I’m certain that most don’t even know what grinding is.   Reckon a chunk of them are about to find out in order to repurchase thier beloved oppressors.

I think you might be right about a lot of those mk2 riders doesn't know what the grind is but I think you'd be surprised if you knew how many of them have the mk2 because of shark cards 

 

 

https://support.rockstargames.com/articles/360053645753/Property-Trade-In-Abuse-in-Grand-Theft-Auto-Online

 

  As part of our ongoing efforts to maintain a healthy game environment for all players

lol, so much for that healthy game environment when people buy fish cards.. 

 

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Shaundi.

I heard about this but didn't bother because it's a clear example of a honey trap glitch.

 

I'm pretty sure Rockstar can see your maze bank transactions history and easily notice that you've purchased the same two properties over and over again lol.

 

But wiping/resetting characters is quite brutal. The most they should do is deduct the amount that was glitched and put them in bad sport for a week

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balt06
6 minutes ago, Shaundi. said:

The most they should do is deduct the amount that was glitched and put them in bad sport for a week

On the glitches subreddit there were plenty of posts and comments about how to launder the money from the glitch.   Deducting only what was glitched wouldn't have touched the people who bought cars with the intent to sell them after getting their funds wiped.

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YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE
1 hour ago, kenmy13999 said:

lol, so much for that healthy game environment when promotion of griefing, unpatched godmode glitches and the Orbital Cannon exists.. 

FTFY

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AirWolf359
Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Shaundi. said:

I heard about this but didn't bother because it's a clear example of a honey trap glitch.

 

I'm pretty sure Rockstar can see your maze bank transactions history and easily notice that you've purchased the same two properties over and over again lol.

This.

 

I didn't do this glitch, it was too easy, widely known, and too easy to detect, just like the Lester plane glitch.

I really don't feel bad for those who did this glitch, filled garages with expensive cars in anticipation of a money wipe, and suddenly got their account reset.

If you did this glitch, you had it coming. If you expect to get money wiped for a glitch, don't do the glitch. Instead find a glitch you won't get wiped for.

I'll just keep on doing heist finale repeats. Not the most profitable, but it is safe and proven over time.

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Jenkiiii
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Unlike many games these days that charge a quarterly fee for season pass X, Y or Z, GTA online shark cards are purely optional, so it is essential for Rockstar to try and maintain some sort of in-game economy. They are becoming less tolerant because it's difficult to change their entire business model and move towards a season pass scenario (even if they wanted to). For one thing, people who buy season passes in Fortnite, Apex Legends, etc., suddenly get bored and no longer fund the game, which halts in-game revenue and forces the company to constantly change and regenerate the map to get these players back on board, whereas GTA is fixed and static, functioning from inside out on a more permanent and larger scale, which attracts players over the long term because of its stability, but revolts players who want everything all at once without making the necessary investments.

 

That's why so many people glitch because they can't grasp the economic grind that is unique to GTA online, but instead want to jump on, have access to all the new cars and properties and play with their friends, but also forgetting that Rockstar still need to fund their game. So although I feel sick to the stomach at seeing some of my friends get treated so harshly, I fully understand Rockstar's position and don't fully blame them for doing what they did. People were warned and an official legal process was set in motion, enabling Rockstar to wipe and reset accounts. Simply removing cash and vehicles was not enough because many ardent glitchers also invested tens of millions of in-game dollars into properties that act as the building blocks to generate more income, such as bunkers and all the inherent setup costs, and it would have been far too much work for Rockstar to evaluate every single account, so they wiped and decided to wipe hard.

 

The GTA online business model is based on shark cards or the grind, and when players can no longer face doing either of these things, they're in trouble, and either move on to new games or take risks that could see them punished severely. Rockstar certainly got their message across and many people are in disbelief right now, but are quickly getting over it and working out whether to start again from scratch or simply move on, which is what Rockstar wants from all of us at the end of the day, either pay up or get off their servers.

 

 

 

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The Jungz

I find it pretty ironic seeing all the people on this forum holding such hatred and disdain for glitchers and cheaters when they're ultimately using the exact same strategy as Shark Card buyers, except they're doing it much more intelligently. Instead of falling right into Rockstar's trap, they're actively fighting against it. Which is why R* is hitting them back so hard, because they're doing exactly what they despise.

 

Everyone here should instead be angry at Shark Card consumers, they're the reason why we're in this situation to begin with.

 

No one buying shark cards? No MK II Oppressors, no orbital cannon, no bunker research fees, no aimbot AI, no horrendous payouts for half the features and most importantly, no 7 year old dumpster fire of a game barely capable of running above 20 fps and taped together so thinly that every update allows half the player base to get billions for doing basically nothing. Instead, we'd have had a GTA V story DLC, a game that much needed it. Probably the same for Red Dead Redemption II and we'd most likely be getting a new GTA within the next 12-18 months.

 

But here we are with a remastered remaster on the way. 

 

If you've ever purchased a shark card, from my point of view, you have forfeited your right to critique either GTA Online, Rockstar or even glitchers. You have helped in creating the greedy, lazy monster that this company has become. 

 

P.S: And if you hate glitchers because you think all they do is abuse orbital cannons and get in the way of your money making endeavors, just get a solo public session. It's not complicated and I've grinded hundreds of millions alone. 

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Ker Juice
4 hours ago, Shaundi. said:

I heard about this but didn't bother because it's a clear example of a honey trap glitch.

 

I'm pretty sure Rockstar can see your maze bank transactions history and easily notice that you've purchased the same two properties over and over again lol.

 

But wiping/resetting characters is quite brutal. The most they should do is deduct the amount that was glitched and put them in bad sport for a week

But see that’s the thing- they did that already. I’m sorry if this was little Jimmy’s first time glitching, but it is what it is. Let’s all be real here guys, this isn’t going to make players stop playing in droves. There will be a percentage, yes- but Im willing to bet a lot of them will return after their “wounds” heal. Especially when the next DLC drops. Btw, there’s already a new money glitch out on that other site, and I’m-seeing comments like: “I’ll be back to where I was before the reset in no time.”

 

No need for sympathy- they’ll be just fine. 

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Pedinhuh
53 minutes ago, The Jungz said:

I find it pretty ironic seeing all the people on this forum holding such hatred and disdain for glitchers and cheaters when they're ultimately using the exact same strategy as Shark Card buyers, except they're doing it much more intelligently. Instead of falling right into Rockstar's trap, they're actively fighting against it. Which is why R* is hitting them back so hard, because they're doing exactly what they despise.

 

Everyone here should instead be angry at Shark Card consumers, they're the reason why we're in this situation to begin with.

 

No one buying shark cards? No MK II Oppressors, no orbital cannon, no bunker research fees, no aimbot AI, no horrendous payouts for half the features and most importantly, no 7 year old dumpster fire of a game barely capable of running above 20 fps and taped together so thinly that every update allows half the player base to get billions for doing basically nothing. Instead, we'd have had a GTA V story DLC, a game that much needed it. Probably the same for Red Dead Redemption II and we'd most likely be getting a new GTA within the next 12-18 months.

 

But here we are with a remastered remaster on the way. 

 

If you've ever purchased a shark card, from my point of view, you have forfeited your right to critique either GTA Online, Rockstar or even glitchers. You have helped in creating the greedy, lazy monster that this company has become. 

 

P.S: And if you hate glitchers because you think all they do is abuse orbital cannons and get in the way of your money making endeavors, just get a solo public session. It's not complicated and I've grinded hundreds of millions alone. 

But I have yet to meet someone from here who is has NOT gone on a rant on Shark Card buyers.

 

In fact, the sentiment amongst the userbase of this forum is very much against the Microtransactions that we see in GTA Online, so much that there's only a few dime a dozen people here who are also Shark Card buyers.

 

Personally, I blame them for the sh*tshow that this game is now, but I won't say that they have no business complaining about this game, way on the contrary, they have more of a say than us.

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SummerFreeze
21 minutes ago, The Jungz said:

Everyone here should instead be angry at Shark Card consumers, they're the reason why we're in this situation to begin with.

I'm not really angry at them either, because they fund the game.

 

Stuff like the Oppressor Mk II is definitely aimed towards selling shark cards, but if you have friends playing or join the right communities, the toxic elements of GTAO can all be avoided.

 

2 minutes ago, Pedinhuh said:

But I have yet to meet someone from here who is has NOT gone on a rant on Shark Card buyers.

🖐️

 

There are certainly ways in which Rockstar and GTA Online could be operated that would be better for all involved except the shareholders, but I think GTAO's monetization scheme is one of the least bad, at least for me, because I never spent a dime after purchasing the game and still enjoy updates and new content years later.

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Mach1bud
1 hour ago, Pedinhuh said:

But I have yet to meet someone from here who is has NOT gone on a rant on Shark Card buyers.

Now that is simply not true. Hi. 

 

2 hours ago, The Jungz said:

If you've ever purchased a shark card, from my point of view, you have forfeited your right to critique either GTA Online, Rockstar or even glitchers. You have helped in creating the greedy, lazy monster that this company has become. 

I'd say the ones funding the game are the main ones who should critique the game. 

 

4 hours ago, AirWolf359 said:

If you did this glitch, you had it coming.

I agree.

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Semaj 2JZ♢

No effect. Didn't participate. Day 1 player with everything I want and need at this point. I do enjoy reading some of the saltiness though. The excuses, mental gymnastics and false equivalences are the best part. Lots of irony impairment as well.

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3 hours ago, Jenkiiii said:

Unlike many games these days that charge a quarterly fee for season pass X, Y or Z, GTA online shark cards are purely optional, so it is essential for Rockstar to try and maintain some sort of in-game economy. They are becoming less tolerant because it's difficult to change their entire business model and move towards a season pass scenario (even if they wanted to). For one thing, people who buy season passes in Fortnite, Apex Legends, etc., suddenly get bored and no longer fund the game, which halts in-game revenue and forces the company to constantly change and regenerate the map to get these players back on board, whereas GTA is fixed and static, functioning from inside out on a more permanent and larger scale, which attracts players over the long term because of its stability, but revolts players who want everything all at once without making the necessary investments.

 

That's why so many people glitch because they can't grasp the economic grind that is unique to GTA online, but instead want to jump on, have access to all the new cars and properties and play with their friends, but also forgetting that Rockstar still need to fund their game. So although I feel sick to the stomach at seeing some of my friends get treated so harshly, I fully understand Rockstar's position and don't fully blame them for doing what they did. People were warned and an official legal process was set in motion, enabling Rockstar to wipe and reset accounts. Simply removing cash and vehicles was not enough because many ardent glitchers also invested tens of millions of in-game dollars into properties that act as the building blocks to generate more income, such as bunkers and all the inherent setup costs, and it would have been far too much work for Rockstar to evaluate every single account, so they wiped and decided to wipe hard.

 

The GTA online business model is based on shark cards or the grind, and when players can no longer face doing either of these things, they're in trouble, and either move on to new games or take risks that could see them punished severely. Rockstar certainly got their message across and many people are in disbelief right now, but are quickly getting over it and working out whether to start again from scratch or simply move on, which is what Rockstar wants from all of us at the end of the day, either pay up or get off their servers.

 

 

 

How can I play the game without their big influence on the prices, payouts, and cooldowns that are in game because of them. They being optional is a big myth. They are big time savers and the "grind" is related directly to them existing. And in a way are cheating just like glitching money. One is not playing the game and the other is playing the game. If they really wanted to make money they wouldn't rely on whales and big spenders and instead make the money cards give out considerably more money. Than more people will buy them. 

 

With how much money gta v has made from game sales alone, they could fund the entire game like 20x over. The online updates cost money for sure, but I guarantee they didn't even spend a fraction on those compared to the entire game over those years. I think that they made over like $8 Billion from the sales and money cheat cards. Its plenty of money, too bad the devs dont get a portion of that. Most of it goes to a certain Zelnick and other top executives. Than you add in the sales from rdr2, those 2 games combined made over $10 Billion. 

 

The business model is getting the 1% of players aka sharks hooked on buying large amounts of in game money. They have patched many harmless things that have negatively affected people who actually grind the game. If players dont wanna buy them or grind they will always find a way to exploit something else in game to make money. If anything this wipe will encourage some people to make smart purchases online and not impulse buy things when an update first releases when no one knows how stuff works or any efficient systems yet. I'ts probably a good thing it finally happened now since it will open a lot of players eyes of what R* has become. 

 

Are you saying that we are freeloaders if we don't buy them in a *free game? Some of us paid up by purchasing the game the first time and by buying it more than one time. Its more than enough money. With the game being GTA V's multiplayer, you cant call online free as there is no way to play online without gta v. If anything they should reset everyone who plays gta online if they really wanna fix the "cheating" since a massive amount of it has happened for nearly 7 years. This appears as unfair since some have glitched money for years and gotten away with it meanwhile this was some players first ever money glitch. 

 

 

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The Jungz
49 minutes ago, Mach1bud said:

I'd say the ones funding the game are the main ones who should critique the game.

The ones funding the game have no place critiquing the game because they're contributing to the problem at hand.

 

If you're not happy with the product you were given, stop funding the ones making it - it's as simple as that.

 

If someone keeps getting disappointed by something and yet they also keep throwing money at it, they're quite simply, fools.

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Imagine feeling disdain for someone because they glitched some virtual currency in a 7 year old microtransaction-riddled pay to win bugfest. I've yet to be hit by a reset but my heart goes out to those who spit in the face of Take-Two and lost their progress because of it.

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Lonely-Martin
57 minutes ago, Mach1bud said:

I'd say the ones funding the game are the main ones who should critique the game. 

I feel anyone that bought the game to access online should be free to critique it too though, not just shark card buyers. (Wasn't sure if you meant card buyers only or those of us that bought the game too, lol).

 

Sure, I'm not a player that regularly contributes financially like recurring card buyers, but I am still counted when it comes to R*/T2 using their quarterly player counts to further advertise the game after all. :)

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4 minutes ago, Lonely-Martin said:

I feel anyone that bought the game to access online should be free to critique it too though, not just shark card buyers. (Wasn't sure if you meant card buyers only or those of us that bought the game too, lol).

 

Sure, I'm not a player that regularly contributes financially like recurring card buyers, but I am still counted when it comes to R*/T2 using their quarterly player counts to further advertise the game after all. :)

Everyone who bought the game (some more than once or twice) and plays online is allowed to critique the game given we all funded the game. :D

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DuhBritishTea
3 hours ago, The Jungz said:

just get a solo public session. It's not complicated and I've grinded hundreds of millions alone. 

Isn't it sad that we have to play in solo sessions for a multiplayer game? Like the state of online is just that bad that grinders are forced into private lobbies just so they don't get griefed by all the tools added to the game by R*.

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gnomefromnome

I've done this on 2 different accounts (PS4). Neither were affected, but of course I didn't go above 10 million. i did buy vehicles, property, etc to keep under 10 million.

 

2nd account still has 7 million plus a bunch of Deluxos

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Fun 2
33 minutes ago, The Jungz said:

The ones funding the game have no place critiquing the game because they're contributing to the problem at hand.

 

If you're not happy with the product you were given, stop funding the ones making it - it's as simple as that.

 

If someone keeps getting disappointed by something and yet they also keep throwing money at it, they're quite simply, fools.

Generalization is leading you nowhere, it's no different if I say you are part of the problem, because you acquired the current gen version when you were aware of how grindy the last gen version was. Also, those people you generalize are much likely to stop supporting at times of disappointment and do the opposite at times of satisfaction.

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