Red Dead Online Updates Coming Soon (July 28th)

[IzzyBlues]

3 minutes ago, ScrappyBauer said:

And i could make a point that fanboys and trolls should be able to complain about the complaining so everyone is happy!!

But the difference here is that you're only making yourself look like a fool.

 

There are genuine complaints here that have been made by very reasonable people here on these forums, mainly regarding the lack of communication which is 100% justified. If you can see past the waters, that recent newswire post is part of the issue and showcases Rockstar's silence is professional mentality more than ever. The newswire post answered some questions, but raised MANY more. It was very passively worded. I had to re-read the damn thing 3 times just to make sense of what they were trying to say. For an avenue that is Rockstars own platform that is meant to communicate with the fanbase, they had done an appalling job of utilizing it properly if you're expecting your audience to have to read between the lines.

 

By all means, if you want to complain about people complaining on a forum... Then go for it, that's your right, but don't expect to be taken seriously if playing devil's advocate is your past time especially on these forums.

[ScrappyBauer]

15 minutes ago, ALifeOfMisery said:

The whole R* is above criticism schtick and the response that anyone who dares voice said criticism is a whining hater is beyond me.

 

If "we" didn't love the games and R* we wouldn't care enough to complain, you'll never see me on an EA forum b*tching about the state of microtransactions in the FIFA franchise, because I don't give enough of a f*ck to bother, I just stopped buying the games.

 

I'm here because I care and when R* (IMO) do something sh*t, I'll say so.

I'd say there needs to be some balance and that varies from person to person, because i've seen blind fanboys who refuse to see anything wrong with Rockstar and would defend them no matter what, but i've also seen the unhinged guys who all they do is criticize the thing they like, to the point that it almost seems that they don't like it as much as they think they do.

Edited July 26, 2020 by ScrappyBauer

[ALifeOfMisery]

49 minutes ago, ScrappyBauer said:

I'd say there needs to be some balance and that varies from person to person, because i've seen blind fanboys who refuse to see anything wrong with Rockstar and would defend them no matter what, but i've also seen the unhinged guys who all they do is criticize the thing they like, to the point that it almost seems that they don't like it as much as they think they do.

I think the majority here fall somewhere in the middle of those two camps. They like R* as a company, they like the games, but they really dislike the lack of communication.

 

When there is something you dislike but can't directly influence you can either accept the status quo/walk away or you can voice your displeasure in the hope that a change will be made. 

 

I see nothing wrong with either of those options, which I choose varies depending on how much I care about the issue at hand.

Edited July 26, 2020 by ALifeOfMisery

[The Shakermaker]

No trailer, any reason behind that? 

[IzzyBlues]

16 minutes ago, The Shakermaker said:

No trailer, any reason behind that? 

Might come out on the day of release.

[aurther61287]

My worry is when has a rdo update not broken something in the game? After moonshine no animals for months...

 

Clearly the update got pushed ahead due to clown publicity I'm sure the update isnt truly ready from a developers stand point. Yet they are going to push it out anyway because of negative publicity.

 

So who's ready for a very buggy broken update? That's what we will get.

 

I hope I'm wrong but track record shows otherwise.

[Direwrath]

5 hours ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Speaking of just whipping things out anywhere...

 

I got a little giggle after reading this, thank you. @Lonely-Martin

 

As far as whipping instruments out at random could you imagine the hilarious things that people would do with that? When you have players get together in large groups just to see how far they can walk across the map with a stew plate in their hand, that could get fun. 

 

22 minutes ago, aurther61287 said:

My worry is when has a rdo update not broken something in the game? After moonshine no animals for months...

 

Clearly the update got pushed ahead due to clown publicity I'm sure the update isnt truly ready from a developers stand point. Yet they are going to push it out anyway because of negative publicity.

 

So who's ready for a very buggy broken update? That's what we will get.

 

I hope I'm wrong but track record shows otherwise.

My hope is that they were able to really hash out all of the problems during the past seven months before they release it. Now I know that of course, there are still going to be issues to address with the finished product. But maybe that gave them more ability to really test before they release it.

[YNNEL]

I definitely think they’ve pushed it early due to the bad press they’ve been getting

[ALifeOfMisery]

2 hours ago, IzzyBlues93 said:

Might come out on the day of release.

I've never really understood why R* do this so often. Updates usually drop around 10/11am local time for me and R* usually post the trailer and Newswire between 3pm and 5pm local time, I've probably had a good 3 hours at least in game by that point and have little interest in the trailer.

 

You never know though, they might surprise us and release a trailer tomorrow.

Edited July 26, 2020 by ALifeOfMisery

[Non Funkable Token]

1 hour ago, aurther61287 said:

My worry is when has a rdo update not broken something in the game? After moonshine no animals for months...

 

Clearly the update got pushed ahead due to clown publicity I'm sure the update isnt truly ready from a developers stand point. Yet they are going to push it out anyway because of negative publicity.

 

So who's ready for a very buggy broken update? That's what we will get.

 

I hope I'm wrong but track record shows otherwise.

There's no proof on that. Plus they break things no matter how much time they take to release updates.

[Sgt Wa Ge]

1 hour ago, aurther61287 said:

Clearly the update got pushed ahead due to clown publicity I'm sure the update isnt truly ready from a developers stand point. Yet they are going to push it out anyway because of negative publicity.

 

 

There is no way in hell that the update is being released because some people decided to dress up as clowns in the game, just no.

 

There is a pandemic since march which must've had hindered development in some way specially since the US are in the worst bit of it since may. The problem with this update is not the when it's released. It's the complete lack of communication on Rockstar's part and their ''Silence is professional'' approach.

 

What I also don't get is why sooooo many people are b*tching about the update being trash even before it's released. We don't even have patch notes or wording on what's actually coming. Just chill out and wait for release.

Edited July 26, 2020 by Sgt Wa Ge

[Hellbendzor]

23 hours ago, ALifeOfMisery said:

Just out of interest, because I've known a couple of players in the past who weren't Heist fans, what is is you don't like about them?

 

Is it PvE in general, bad experiences with randoms, R*s general laziness when it comes to the AI or something else entirely?

 

Personally, I love Heists and would love RDO to get some. I've had some horrific experiences with randoms and R*s bullet sponge approach to AI always leaves much to be desired, but I've had some of the most fun I've ever had in gaming when teaming up with players I know from here and settling in to a few hours of Heists in GTAO.

Well, I'm more of a solo oriented player. So I already have a distaste for stuff that's locked out of my solo-endaviours. I don't like to rely on other people to do my stuff. I like to help from time to time, but I have more pleasure in dealing with challenges solo-wise... Just my mindset (IRL too)... Now, that being said, in the past I've done quite a few (original) heists with friends, but I always ended up having to wait until others were ready to go or I couldn't play when they were available... Not even talking about joining or having Randumbs joining you... Annoying doesn't even cut it, when a nitwit prevents success by not knowing what to do or listen to others on what NOT to do... Then a few years later Rockstar made all bots literally bulletsponges, which steered me even further away from heists. 

 

So I haven't completed the doomsday heist for that reason. Stuck at the very last part, annoyed at the millionth attempt, annoyed at being out of  snacks/healing at that last part, my friends not being available when I was or the other way around,... I just dislike that sh*t so much, I have ceased all attempts at even trying. Haven't done the Casino heist for that same reason.. I just don't like Heists, especially with the tweaked superbots. It's a very lame AND lazy attempt to make things difficult... For me it's just a complete and  utter annoyance fighting these insane superhuman bots, w hile my heavy armor gets destroyed by one single superbot bullet, let alone my health when they start lasering... Challenges are ok, but this is just unfair and I hate it... 

 

So yeah, I hate heists, love alot of missions, dislike the locked out contactmissions due to necessity of having another player to fire them up,... 

So let them roll out heists, I hope we get an map-expansion for them. But I ain't playing them... not my thing (at all)...

Edited July 26, 2020 by Hellbendzor

[ALifeOfMisery]

6 minutes ago, Hellbendzor said:

Well, I'm more of a solo oriented player. So I already have a distaste for stuff that's locked out of my solo-endaviours. I don't like to rely on other people to do my stuff. I like to help from time to time, but I have more pleasure in dealing with challenges solo-wise... Just my mindset (IRL too)... Now, that being said, in the past I've done quite a few (original) heists with friends, but I always ended up having to wait until others were ready to go or I couldn't play when they were available... Not even talking about joining or having Randumbs joining you... Annoying doesn't even cut it, when a nitwit prevents success by not knowing what to do or listen to others on what NOT to do... Then a few years later Rockstar made all bots literally bulletsponges, which steered me even further away from heists. 

 

So I haven't completed the doomsday heist for that reason. Stuck at the very last part, annoyed at the millionth attempt, annoyed at being out of  snacks/healing at that last part, my friends not being available when I was or the other way around,... I just dislike that sh*t so much, I have ceased all attempts at even trying. Haven't done the Casino heist for that same reason.. I just don't like Heists, especially with the tweaked superbots. It's a very lame AND lazy attempt to make things difficult... For me it's just a complete and  utter annoyance fighting these insane superhuman bots, w hile my heavy armor gets destroyed by one single superbot bullet, let alone my health when they start lasering... Challenges are ok, but this is just unfair and I hate it... 

 

So yeah, I hate heists, love alot of missions, dislike the locked out contactmissions due to necessity of having another player to fire them up,... 

So let them roll out heists, I hope we get an map-expansion for them. But I ain't playing them... not my thing (at all)...

I fully understand all of that.

 

I enjoyed Heists with other forum members, hated them with randoms. 

 

Like you, I've always been more of a solo player, I would have loved for there to be an option to solo Heists, I did "the run" in Pac Standard so many times that I know I could easily have done it completely alone.

 

Hopefully if RDO ever gets Heists there will be the option to do them solo.

[Ring Dang Do]

7 hours ago, Stoakzee said:

I don't think we're getting musical instruments, I think they were just referring to the ones added in the Moonshiners update. That's the way I read it anyway.

That’s what makes me worried about Tuesday. People asked for musical instruments so rockstar provides them locked away in a basement/separate instance that no one uses. They completely missed the point and the potential it could have been. Would of been cool to sit around the campfire like in singleplayer with your posse playing a tune. 

[aurther61287]

4 hours ago, Sgt Wa Ge said:

There is no way in hell that the update is being released because some people decided to dress up as clowns in the game, just no.

 

There is a pandemic since march which must've had hindered development in some way specially since the US are in the worst bit of it since may. The problem with this update is not the when it's released. It's the complete lack of communication on Rockstar's part and their ''Silence is professional'' approach.

 

What I also don't get is why sooooo many people are b*tching about the update being trash even before it's released. We don't even have patch notes or wording on what's actually coming. Just chill out and wait for release.

So it's just coincidence that a week after clown movement hit gaming articles that the pushed out the update?

 

I want what your smoking lol

 

Guess well see. Moonshiners did break animal spawns for months...

[ScrappyBauer]

Anyone knows at which time do they usually push updates? Is there a pattern?

Edited July 27, 2020 by ScrappyBauer

[RaigeGames]

51 minutes ago, ScrappyBauer said:

Anyone knows at which time do they usually push updates? Is there a pattern?

I think most of the time the updates roll out around 5 or 6am EST. Sometimes it could be a little later 

[GEИESIS]

55 minutes ago, ScrappyBauer said:

Anyone knows at which time do they usually push updates? Is there a pattern?

Moonshiner came out 6AM EST for me.

[GEИESIS]

Are they gonna put out newswire today? We still don't know much about the update.

[CaliMeatWagon]

17 hours ago, RyuNova said:

 

Not really. I limit my weapons on purpose so I am not a walking Armoury and I only buy a few items each time.

Do you also only carry around ~24 rounds for each gun?

[Gray-Hand]

12 hours ago, RyuNova said:

 

You are missing my point but that may have been my fault. I know there is (technically) no real world money needed to start the businesses, it was just an analogy that you are perhaps taking too literally.

 

 

Right, I have an "agenda" even though this line of reasoning is shared by quite a few people on here. It's a conspiracy!

 

You are failing to understand the point I am making. The entire meat of the Role is locked behind a paywall, that should not be how it's done. To even start the actual Role you need to put down serious in game Gold. R* acting like a drug dealer and "giving you the first taste for free" is beside the point. That deal is only a one time thing.

 

 

Again, this is beside the point. The player should not have to spend Gold just to access the meat of the Role. Spending Gold after the fact on upgrades is fine, a fair compromise.

 

 

What? They literally added a second PREMIUM currency. The guy that runs Take2 is on record saying that he thinks GTAO was "under monetised" when the game has made billions in Shark Card sales.

 

 

This is some "bending over backwards" logic. No offence to anyone but this place is an echo chamber of hardcore R* games players. The average person does not have the time to keep up a daily streak. It would take at bare minimum twenty hours to get a Streak going. Twenty hours in a week is some peoples entire gaming budget. That's twenty hours of grind before you can even get to the meat of the Update.

Don't mistake me for someone that does not realise the Updates are free and R* need to make money back, all I am saying is that it's a backwards way of doing it. Upgrades should cost Gold, if people want to slog away on the lower level upgrades making less money then so be it. At least they get to enjoy the Update.

Okay, let’s deal with this point by point.

 

Missing the point

I think I understand the point you are trying to make - you say R* is acting unreasonably By setting a price of 25 gold to access to new content.  You say this is unreasonable both because that price is too high and that there should be no price for content in any event.

 

That view is invalid, for several reasons:

1.  Content is a product/service that is worth paying for.  That is why we are prepared to pay money for video games in the first place.  The idea that computer games should be free is strange and unsustainable.

2.  25 gold is a pretty low bar to entry.  Gold is free and easy to obtain just by playing the game.  Look at the dailies for 26 July 2020 - there are at least half a dozen that can be completed with a minimum of effort.

 - catch 3 Steelhead Trout

 - get drunk.

 - visit a shop in strawberry.

 - eat 3 camp stews.

 - visit the peak of Mt Hagen.
 - pick 5 wild feverview.

2 of those can be done without Even leaving camp. 2 of them can be done by doing little more than taking your horse for a ride.  Then there are several other dailies that any one playing as a trader would get just in the course of ordinary play.

 - deliver 6 perfect carcasses to Cripps.

 - moonshine sold with 5 minutes remaining.

 - make $200 from trading.

That’s an easy 1.8 gold without being on a streak and not even taking into account bounty hunting and collector dailies.

 

3. 25 gold is really cheap to buy with real money. $7.00 last time I checked. It’s pocket change.  In what world is this an unreasonable, exploitative amount to expect people to pay for an expansion of an otherwise free game?  It’s not like we are paying a monthly subscription or anything.

Other people share your view

Your “agenda” (your emphasis) about R* overmonetising RDO is indeed a big part of your persona on these forums.  You post about it a lot, along with lots of complaints about griefers.  Both are at odds with the reality of the game.  Griefing is rare in RDO and there is no pressure to buy gold. 

It is true that there are some other posters who echo to each other their belief that they are entitled to be provided with free video game content  because they bizarrely equate their playing of a game provided to them for free as labour that must be rewarded.  
 

This is of course not true.  They have been provided with a free game that they have played for dozens if not hundreds of hours and they refuse to reciprocate that benefit by making any payment.  Not only do they refuse to to pay, they also denounce the vey idea of it.  They liken R* to a drug dealer.  Their sense of entitlement is breathtaking. You don’t do yourself any favours by lining up alongside them.

Rockstar are unreasonably locking content behind a paywall

This is invalid for several reasons:

1. Gold is free and easy to come by just by playing the game.  So it isn’t even a paywall.

2. For anyone who does want to pay real money instead of accumulating gold by playing, the cost of gold is very cheap. 25 gold is $7.00. 55 gold is $20 and that is enough for 3 updates in a year.  Pocket change.  Not that you would need it after buying that first profession.

 

Entry into a profession should be free, but upgrades should cost gold 

1. Content is a product that is costly to develop and hard to do well.  There is nothing inappropriate with charging for that.  That’s how the world works.

2.  RDO is specifically designed so that upgrades don’t cost gold.  If actual upgrades cost gold, that would mean that the people who pay real money would have an advantage over those who just play the game.  RDO would be pay-to-win.  If the game was designed that way, you would be the first person denouncing R* for doing it. Come on.

 

Second premium currency means the game is overmonetised

You are way off base here.

 

The second premium currency cannot be purchased with real money.  It stops people with lots of gold purchasing everything immediately.  It actively works to prevent people from buying gold to get everything without having to earn it by playing the game.

 

A daily streak takes 20 hours of gameplay

Err ... no it doesn’t.  That’s flat out wrong.

 

To earn bonus gold, all it takes is being able to complete 1 daily 7 days in a row.  Most days, there is a daily that can be completed without even leaving your camp.  Generally there will be at least 5 dailies that can each be completed in 5 minutes or so.
 

A 28 day streak can easily be maintained by logging in for 5 minutes or less every day.  Lots of people have been doing just that in recent months.

 

You also talk about some people only having 20 hours to play RDO every week.  Anyone who plays 20 hours of RDO per week will easily have all the gold they need to access future content.  
 

I average less than a third of that and I am level 199 with more than $20k and Over 180 gold bars. I paid the $7.00 for 25 gold bars when frontier pursuits came out.  I have 4 horses with upgraded saddles, all the best ability cards at level 3, all the clothes I want, fully upgraded camp and moonshine  shack, all the pamphlets, nearly every gun with 12 of them fully upgraded and personalised.  I was on a streak for 52 days at one stage, another one at about 30 days and maybe a few other times I got past 7 days.  I spend most of my time playing as a trader/moonshiner.  Making RDO$ and gold is not hard.

 

Your perception of:

1.  How hard it is to make gold;

2.  How expensive gold is to purchase; and

3.  How blue tokens work;

is completely divorced from reality.  Coupled with your other regular complaints of being constantly attacked by griefers, it seems like you have this deeply ingrained impression of RDO being a cynically overmonetised, griefer’s paradise Wild West version of GTAO.  It just isn’t.

 

[BUT THE BENZ]

4 hours ago, GEИESIS said:

Are they gonna put out newswire today? We still don't know much about the update.

a trailer, even a silent one, could speak a thousand words!

[RyuNova]

6 hours ago, Gray-Hand said:

I think I understand the point you are trying to make

 

No you don't. I am trying really hard not be condescending or sarcastic because that's frowned upon. What I am trying to say is that the system R* has implemented is backward and anti-player. The meat, the main part, of the Update is barred off by a pay wall immediately. This is wrong, because we have two currencies we can have a better system. Unlike GTAO where it is just GTA fun dollars we have Dollars and Gold, the ENTIRE Role should not be locked behind a Gold paywall, UPGRADES should be locked behind the paywall. If people want to writhe in the mud and never buy Upgrades then so be it but the entire Role should not be locked behind the Gold paywall.

 

6 hours ago, Gray-Hand said:

3. 25 gold is really cheap to buy with real money. $7.00 last time I checked. It’s pocket change.  In what world is this an unreasonable, exploitative amount to expect people to pay for an expansion of an otherwise free game?  It’s not like we are paying a monthly subscription or anything.

 

That's fine but it's a one time only deal and there are five Roles now. The price is beside the point.

 

Please, listen and understand, I am NOT saying that R* should not charge for the Role. I am saying that locking the ENTIRE Role behind a Gold paywall is bad.

 

6 hours ago, Gray-Hand said:

Other people share your view

 

 

My "persona" on these forums is neither here nor there. I am as free as you to present myself however I wish as long as it remains in the rules. My opinions on matters are no more or less valid than yours.

 

6 hours ago, Gray-Hand said:

Rockstar are unreasonably locking content behind a paywall

 

 

Yes they are, see above.

 

6 hours ago, Gray-Hand said:

Entry into a profession should be free, but upgrades should cost gold 

 

 

I never said it should be free, if that is what you have assumed from my posts then thats on you. I said it should not cost as much Gold. Upgrades should be the money sink.

 

6 hours ago, Gray-Hand said:

A daily streak takes 20 hours of gameplay

 

 

Perhaps I should have been more clear. (Trying really hard not be sarcastic). To earn the 0.5 Gold per daily takes twenty hours. That's the best way to make serious Gold. Even logging on for five minutes and doing one Daily a day it would take you (obviously) twenty one days. Unless you buy in to Bounty hunting you need to log on daily to make Gold for the other Roles.

 

6 hours ago, Gray-Hand said:

Coupled with your other regular complaints of being constantly attacked by griefers, it seems like you have this deeply ingrained impression of RDO being a cynically overmonetised, griefer’s paradise Wild West version of GTAO.  It just isn’t.

 

Excuse me? I have in all the time I have posted on here mentioned being attacked by griefers perhaps less than ten times, I actively go out of my way to avoid PvP. I have joined in with discussions about them or shared my sometimes abrasive views on them but it is not regular nor constant.

 

But this is all pointless, you have drawn me into whatever this is when it serves to benefit to the topic or the forum so it will be left here. If you don't like what I write then so be it but don't call into question my character or claim that I put up a "persona" on here. What you see is what you get, don't like it then ignore me.

 

The idea that R* are money grubbing bastards only interested in selling Shark Cards and Gold is not mine alone. It is an idea shared by the wider community especially the regulars on here.

Edited July 27, 2020 by RyuNova

[BUT THE BENZ]

it's all about the moneyz....and the, meat! right ryu?!

[RyuNova]

34 minutes ago, BUT THE BENZ said:

it's all about the moneyz....and the, meat! right ryu?!

 

I do love me some meat...

[Gettin up]

Everybody knows it's about the money. What would it change if the roles were free of charge instead?

[Sgt Wa Ge]

8 hours ago, aurther61287 said:

So it's just coincidence that a week after clown movement hit gaming articles that the pushed out the update?

 

I want what your smoking lol

 

Guess well see. Moonshiners did break animal spawns for months...

Rockstar are a big and established corporation, they don't really care about what people think of them. They have a proven business model which works for them. We've been complaining for years about stuff on GTA which they haven't and will not change. So a couple of people dressing up as clowns and a couple of media outlets that nobody cares about  reporting it has nothing to do with the release of the update. I'm not saying it won't be bugged, Moonshiners wasn't rushed and was bugged to hell.

 

Edited July 27, 2020 by Sgt Wa Ge

[Gettin up]

Pretty sure that updates for both GTAO and RDO were planned to release in the end of july.

Edited July 27, 2020 by Gettin up

[skinku]

I am quite excited.

All I really want is a nice black bow.

[4eyedcoupe]

9 hours ago, aurther61287 said:

So it's just coincidence that a week after clown movement hit gaming articles that the pushed out the update?

 

I want what your smoking lol

 

Guess well see. Moonshiners did break animal spawns for months...

So you really think you clowns got them to drop an update??  I DON"T want what you are smoking...Sent you to far out of reality...Come back!!  At BEST they may have mentioned the future updates in the newswire because of it, but if you think they didn't release an update for 7 plus months and then dropped it within a week because of some "clown movement" then you're being clowned.

Edited July 27, 2020 by 4eyedcoupe