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Pofkis

Unused gangs

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Pofkis

There are 3 unused gangs in the game and let's discuss what name, territories, cars and weapons they should have.

 

As probably all of you have noticed, there exists a gang named Mafia in the stats, which doesn't have it's own territory. They have 4 gang members, carry Desert Eagles and drive Sentinels, Admirals, Feltzers. In the statistics, the gang is named Mafia, in pedgrp.dat and cargrp.dat files they're named Italian Mafia. Their gang member models are named VMAFF, which means Las Venturas Mafia because V means Las Venturas and MAFF means Mafia. So how the gang should be called - Mafia, Italian Mafia or Las Venturas Mafia? And what territory they should have?

 

In the game, there was actually supposed to be 10 gangs. There are unused slots for gang #9 and gang #10. One of these unused gangs was supposed to be the Russian Mafia. Their gang members are named MAFFA (Mafia A), MAFFB (Mafia B) and MAFBOSS (Mafia Boss). So how the gang should be named - Russian Mafia or just Mafia? What territories, cars and weapons they should have?

 

There are 2 variations how Mafia gangs should be named:

#1 - Russian Mafia and Italian Mafia

#2 - Mafia and Las Venturas Mafia

 

I don't know what 10th gang was supposed to be, but I think it was going to be Bikers. There are models named BIKERA (Biker A) and BIKERB (Biker B). However, unlike all other gangs, which have 3 members (only Grove Street Families were supposed to have 5 and Italian Mafia/Las Venturas Mafia have 4), Bikers have only 2. There should have existed a 3rd member probably named BIKBOSS (Biker Boss). Bikers also have their own drug dealer named BIKDRUG, which was supposed to appear only in San Fierro. So what territories, vehicles and weapons they should have?

 

 

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NewGuybj

There were a lot of gangs in beta. Mafia techicaly exists, but only in missions. Just like russians. I think you can take over mafia territory in Las Venturas, with use of a glitch.

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Pofkis

I'm trying to restore these gangs as accurately as possible, so any thoughts and suggestions are very necessary.

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I can guess the Italian Mafia reside in Venturas, infact even outside of missions they can appear if you're in negative cash (They'll arrive by car and will shoot a you). Russian mafia I'd guess would be in the ocean docks area. I'm only saying that because of the Gray Imports mission which has the Ballas and Russains cutting deals.

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Pofkis
Just now, Another GTA Fan said:

I can guess the Ilatian Mafia reside in Venturas, infact even outside of missions they can appear if you're in negative cash (They'll arrive by car and will shoot a you). Russian mafia I'd guess would be in the ocean docks area. I'm only saying that because of the Gray Imports mission which has the Ballas and Russains cutting deals.

I don't know if I should give Russians the whole Ocean Docks area or even any of it at all. They only were seen in the docks once when they were making a deal with Ballas in a warehouse. I think it'd be better to give them Commerce and Pershing Square. It's just my opinion by the way, I might be wrong. And what weapons and cars should I give them?

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hmm maybe not Pershing Square which has a Police station there. I can't see any gang or mafia having their men hanging around a Police station 😛 As for weapons. The Ak 47 is definitly a weapon that would make sense to give them. 9mm and Uzi (Mac10) would also suit them. I'm not sure what to suggest for cars, though it doesn't have to be stereotypical. You could get them to drive a Black Burrito and I could see that working.

 

I think in previous GTAs the Burrito was used as a gang car, but I don't recall any gang using one in SA, so that is a car that's free to use for them.

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Pofkis
1 minute ago, Another GTA Fan said:

hmm maybe not Pershing Square which has a Police station there. I can't see any gang or mafia having their men hanging around a Police station 😛 As for weapons. The Ak 47 is definitly a weapon that would make sense to give them. 9mm and Uzi (Mac10) would also suit them. I'm not sure what to suggest for cars, though it doesn't have to be stereotypical. You could get them to drive a Black Burrito and I could see that working.

 

I think in previous GTAs he Burrito was used as a gang car, but I don't recall any gang using one in SA, so that is a car that's free to use for them.

What about giving them Commerce, and Pershing Square with a very small density? As for weapons, the AK-47 is unlocked much later in the game, so I thought about giving them 9mm and SMG. As for vehicles, what about Huntley, Washington and Slamvan as a lowrider since all other gangs in Los Santos drive at least one lowrider too?

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santosvagos

I don't know exactly what weapons these unused gangs might hold and where their turfs might be at in the beta version but this is how i set them up in my own game.
- Italian mafia : 
Weapons : Desert eagle, silenced piston, MP5.

Turf: The strip, most of average neighborhoods in LV.

Vehicle: Admiral , sentinel.
- Gang 9: Bikers
Weapons : Shotgun , knife , UZI.
Turf: Dillimore, Blueberry, Some in desert areas
I did not set gang 10 as Russian in my game so i am not gonna say it here.

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Another GTA Fan

Yeah that would work. I agree the huntley is a good choice. The Washington maybe a little to rich for them to use, though. I feel Primo and Blista Compact would work a bit better for them. I couldn't see them driving a Slamvan. That car has always felt like a pimp-like vehicle like the Broadway. A lowrider wouldn't be necessary for them. I don't even think the Italian Mafia in Venturas drive lowriders.

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9 minutes ago, Pofkis said:

What about giving them Commerce, and Pershing Square with a very small density? As for weapons, the AK-47 is unlocked much later in the game, so I thought about giving them 9mm and SMG. As for vehicles, what about Huntley, Washington and Slamvan as a lowrider since all other gangs in Los Santos drive at least one lowrider too?

These areas would  fit VLA better since it's near little Mexico. Just my opinion.

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Posted (edited)
16 minutes ago, Another GTA Fan said:

Yeah that would work. I agree the huntley is a good choice. The Washington maybe a little to rich for them to use, though. I feel Primo and Blista Compact would work a bit better for them. I couldn't see them driving a Slamvan. That car has always felt like a pimp-like vehicle like the Broadway. A lowrider wouldn't be necessary for them. I don't even think the Italian Mafia in Venturas drive lowriders.

I think you're right. I think Huntley, Primo and Blista Compact would be perfect for them. Also, what about Regina? I'll think about whether to give them Pershing Square with a very small density or not at all. I'll see how it'll look in the game.

 

12 minutes ago, santosvagos said:

These areas would  fit VLA better since it's near little Mexico. Just my opinion.

What territories do you suggest to give them?

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santosvagos
3 minutes ago, Pofkis said:

 

 

What territories do you suggest to give them?

A small area around Vinewood where many mansions is located. Creek in LV. I think it would make sense having Russians there since they also want a piece of actions in sin city just like the Italian.

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Pofkis
4 minutes ago, santosvagos said:

A small area around Vinewood where many mansions is located. Creek in LV. I think it would make sense having Russians there since they also want a piece of actions in sin city just like the Italian.

@Another GTA Fan What do you think about giving Russians some territories in Las Venturas?

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cerdopalo

gang 10 are aztecas but act as san fierro rifa ??

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Another GTA Fan
3 hours ago, Pofkis said:

@Another GTA Fan What do you think about giving Russians some territories in Las Venturas?

Well Las Venturas is already home of Italian Mafia families, so I doubt Russian mafia would do well in that area. If any location is best suited for them, have them somewhere within Los Santos, maybe in the richer areas of Los Santos. In a casino city run by Italian-american mafia, I doubt a Russain mob would have the opportunity to setup in Venturas.

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Pofkis
2 hours ago, Another GTA Fan said:

Well Las Venturas is already home of Italian Mafia families, so I doubt Russian mafia would do well in that area. If any location is best suited for them, have them somewhere within Los Santos, maybe in the richer areas of Los Santos. In a casino city run by Italian-american mafia, I doubt a Russain mob would have the opportunity to setup in Venturas.

I got it. I didn't give them whole Commerce, but only an area around Atrium with average density and the whole Ocean Docks area with small density. I gave them 9mm, Micro Uzi and SMG. Are you sure that I shouldn't give them Washington but Blista Compact? Washington isn't a very expensive car, you can even see criminals driving it in the game. I also think that it suits Russians very well.

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Another GTA Fan

Yeah sure if you feel it'll work, go for it. Everything else sounds good so far.

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Pofkis
35 minutes ago, Another GTA Fan said:

Yeah sure if you feel it'll work, go for it. Everything else sounds good so far.

Okay. Now what about Italian Mafia and Triads? What territories should I give them in Las Venturas?

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Another GTA Fan

Triads should be in and around the 4 Dragons Casino. I believe that's the only part of Venturas they hold. Italian Mafia should have the rest of the Strip.

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Posted (edited)

A few years ago I tried making a simple mod on the PC version to have those gangs,the Italian mob, the Russian mob and the biker gang (don't know what they're called,I call them Cobras MC because of their logo) spawn on the map in freeroam.

I gave both the Italians (vmaff1, vmaff2, vmaff3 and vmaff4) and the Russians (maffa, maffb and mafboss) turf in Las Venturas,and I gave them both Admiral, Feltzer and Sentinel,though they would sometimes spawn driving different cars.Since I gave them spawn locations of LV street criminals,they would usually spawn in northern parts of LV,sometimes at the same time so they would start fighting,which the Italians would usually win because they had Desert Eagles,while Russians would only pull Pistols after managing to get close and punch an Italian.If I knew how to give them guns,I think Silenced Pistol and a Sawed Off Shotgun fit the Italians well,while the Russians shoud definitely have AK47 and maybe Pistols.

As for bikers (bikera, bikerb and the third member wymcr who's normally programmed as a LS street criminal),I had them spawn in small towns throughout San Andreas,and gave them Freeway, Wayfarer and Hotknife.When it comes to guns,I think Micro Uzi and Sawed Off shotty would fit them.

 

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santosvagos
12 hours ago, GTA-Biker said:

A few years ago I tried making a simple mod on the PC version to have those gangs,the Italian mob, the Russian mob and the biker gang (don't know what they're called,I call them Cobras MC because of their logo) spawn on the map in freeroam.

I gave both the Italians (vmaff1, vmaff2, vmaff3 and vmaff4) and the Russians (maffa, maffb and mafboss) turf in Las Venturas,and I gave them both Admiral, Feltzer and Sentinel,though they would sometimes spawn driving different cars.Since I gave them spawn locations of LV street criminals,they would usually spawn in northern parts of LV,sometimes at the same time so they would start fighting,which the Italians would usually win because they had Desert Eagles,while Russians would only pull Pistols after managing to get close and punch an Italian.If I knew how to give them guns,I think Silenced Pistol and a Sawed Off Shotgun fit the Italians well,while the Russians shoud definitely have AK47 and maybe Pistols.

As for bikers (bikera, bikerb and the third member wymcr who's normally programmed as a LS street criminal),I had them spawn in small towns throughout San Andreas,and gave them Freeway, Wayfarer and Hotknife.When it comes to guns,I think Micro Uzi and Sawed Off shotty would fit them.

 

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How did you make the bikers appear in Angel Pine ? I used to set their turf there but for some reason, they did't appear there as in a group.

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2 hours ago, santosvagos said:

How did you make the bikers appear in Angel Pine ? I used to set their turf there but for some reason, they did't appear there as in a group.

I programmed them as gang 10 and gave them spawn locations of countryfolk and desert (I think that's what they're called),that way they would spawn in groups in all the small towns,but would also sometimes spawn driving vehicles set for random hillbillies instead of only Freeway, Wayfarer and Hotknife.

 

I also put two unused GSF members (fam4 and fam5) back in the game

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5 hours ago, GTA-Biker said:

I programmed them as gang 10 and gave them spawn locations of countryfolk and desert (I think that's what they're called),that way they would spawn in groups in all the small towns,but would also sometimes spawn driving vehicles set for random hillbillies instead of only Freeway, Wayfarer and Hotknife.

 

 

 

What tool did you use to set their turf ? I am using cleo script.
P/S : Sorry @Pofkis for spamming in your own thread.

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, santosvagos said:

What tool did you use to set their turf ? I am using cleo script.
P/S : Sorry @Pofkis for spamming in your own thread.

I just edited the game files a bit,if I remember correct it was peds and pedgrp for the gangs,and file cargrp for vehicles.

 

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Pofkis
On 7/22/2020 at 3:33 PM, Another GTA Fan said:

Triads should be in and around the 4 Dragons Casino. I believe that's the only part of Venturas they hold. Italian Mafia should have the rest of the Strip.

What if I give Triads The Four Dragons Casino, southern part of The Strip, and for Italian Mafia - Whitewood Estates, Caligula's Palace, Old Venturas Strip and the northern part of The Strip?

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Yeah sure, do whatever you feel is right. I see no issues in those sets.

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Pofkis
On 7/27/2020 at 11:10 PM, Another GTA Fan said:

Yeah sure, do whatever you feel is right. I see no issues in those sets.

Okay. And what about the 3rd unused gang - gang 10?

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7 hours ago, Pofkis said:

Okay. And what about the 3rd unused gang - gang 10?

You can use Russian mob or those bikers with a cobra logo,depending on which one you already chose as gang 9.

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