I made a petition

[kenmy13999]

1 hour ago, DEADMEAT2016 said:

Not  one thing you said made any sense at all, YELLOW ZOOMER.

. The fact that you started a petition, one that has been done many times before,

 

For a guy with such a condescending better than you attitude one should at least expect you knew who made this petition.. 

[DEADMEAT2016]

retracted

Edited July 18, 2020 by DEADMEAT2016

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

2 hours ago, DEADMEAT2016 said:

Not  one thing you said made any sense at all, YELLOW ZOOMER.

Let me introduce you to a concept we call reality. For the most part the only communication that Rock Star needs from their fanbase is when they buy, or use their creations. The fact that you started a petition, one that has been done many times before, and that Rock Star has zero interest in shows you are some kind of idealistic nut job. Now I'm not telling you don't start any silly petitions, but I am telling you that if you think for even an instant you are doing anything other than massage the part of your brain that in non functional ... your Mama raised a fool.

 If you want to "improve" or think you "Know" how to improve anything at Rock Star ... apply for a job there.

When I say "time to ride" ... see that Motorcycle in my Avatar dim-wit ... It's one of several I own, and when small brained people or my Olde' Lady or whoever begin to remind me of the buzzing of Fly's I ride ...

I made that little video to try and explain a couple of concepts, I made it some time ago just to post places like this. Watch it until it sinks in  Part of Rock Stars current business model revolves around attracting younger Players that Grief, Players that are impatient and by their very nature more likely to spend money and fund the servers. If there is any part of that that you can't understand, that might explain why the heck you first thought making a petition about an in game item that makes Rock Star money in conjunction with the Pay Walls they put in game was a good ideal. Or LOL that it might actually have some kind of effect on Rock Star or illicit a response other than create the next OP Griefing tool.

 It's like some of you don't understand Rock Star is a Business, not a Charity. Their motivation in making the games is to make money. They would 100% rather have a "Grinder" that eats up thousands of hours of server time and spends nothing to fund them leave the game and replace that "grinder" with a "griefer" that will play the game for a period of time, spend money, and loose interest .. ALL DAY LONG.

 Some of you also seem to think that the more Players the better .. again let me introduce my friend REALITY. Larger numbers are great IF a cost effective SERVER TIME USED / MONEY SPENT RATIO is achieved. The term "cost effective" means the money generated by the users of those servers pays for the usage. If that ratio is not achieved then they take steps in game to manipulate the Player population and make up.... they do that by introducing the latest and greatest griefing tool.. If and when one is introduced it ....

A) attracts impatient Players that will spend money instead of dealing with pay walls

B) cause grinders eating up FREE server time to leave the game

It's a WIN-WIN for them.

 

How freakin' old are some of you ???? really my 14 year old grand daughter can grasp these basic concepts.

 

Jesse, what the f*ck are you talking about?

 

Edited July 11, 2020 by YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE
Not even a two weeks old account, opinion disregarded

[kenmy13999]

57 minutes ago, DEADMEAT2016 said:

it was in response to a posting that he made quoting me.

It was directed AT him in response to that, the topic was about the petition.

although he may not have originated the petition, from his response it implied that he supported that sort of pointless activity. And further thought that it might be a fruitful endeavor.

 

 

 

But in reviewing it ... you got me, I was mistaken in taking him for starting it, I obviously was mistaken there

I can tell you straight away that it wasn't your only mistake when it comes to assumptions in your post either

 

I can guarantee you that most seasoned people that have been here a while doesn't believe that petitions or anything else will change anything about this game but I can guarantee you that nothing will ever change if no one  doesn't try either. 

And while we're at it, you're talking about pointless activity, your post I first quoted wasn't any less pointless, just like my post trying to explain anything is just as pointless  

[Geisterfaust]

57 minutes ago, YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE said:

Not even a two weeks old account, opinion disregarded

There was a time period in my life when I could have read the text on that message, but I am definitely too old for that now. Like @kenmy13999 said, there will be nothing from the petition. But there will be nothing without it.

 

Op Mk2 is so dead ass topic that there is literally no point discussing it in 2020. The thing is not going anywhere and the Rhino precedent was a deviation. The best we will get is even more powerful to "counter" MK2.

[DEADMEAT2016]

retracted

 

Edited July 18, 2020 by DEADMEAT2016

[SummerFreeze]

3 hours ago, DEADMEAT2016 said:

Not  one thing you said made any sense at all, YELLOW ZOOMER.

Let me introduce you to a concept we call reality. For the most part the only communication that Rock Star needs from their fanbase is when they buy, or use their creations. The fact that you started a petition, one that has been done many times before, and that Rock Star has zero interest in shows you are some kind of idealistic nut job. Now I'm not telling you don't start any silly petitions, but I am telling you that if you think for even an instant you are doing anything other than massage the part of your brain that in non functional ... your Mama raised a fool.

 If you want to "improve" or think you "Know" how to improve anything at Rock Star ... apply for a job there.

When I say "time to ride" ... see that Motorcycle in my Avatar dim-wit ... It's one of several I own, and when small brained people or my Olde' Lady or whoever begin to remind me of the buzzing of Fly's I ride ...

I made that little video to try and explain a couple of concepts, I made it some time ago just to post places like this. Watch it until it sinks in  Part of Rock Stars current business model revolves around attracting younger Players that Grief, Players that are impatient and by their very nature more likely to spend money and fund the servers. If there is any part of that that you can't understand, that might explain why the heck you first thought making a petition about an in game item that makes Rock Star money in conjunction with the Pay Walls they put in game was a good ideal. Or LOL that it might actually have some kind of effect on Rock Star or illicit a response other than create the next OP Griefing tool.

 It's like some of you don't understand Rock Star is a Business, not a Charity. Their motivation in making the games is to make money. They would 100% rather have a "Grinder" that eats up thousands of hours of server time and spends nothing to fund them leave the game and replace that "grinder" with a "griefer" that will play the game for a period of time, spend money, and loose interest .. ALL DAY LONG.

 Some of you also seem to think that the more Players the better .. again let me introduce my friend REALITY. Larger numbers are great IF a cost effective SERVER TIME USED / MONEY SPENT RATIO is achieved. The term "cost effective" means the money generated by the users of those servers pays for the usage. If that ratio is not achieved then they take steps in game to manipulate the Player population and make up.... they do that by introducing the latest and greatest griefing tool.. If and when one is introduced it ....

A) attracts impatient Players that will spend money instead of dealing with pay walls

B) cause grinders eating up FREE server time to leave the game

It's a WIN-WIN for them.

 

How freakin' old are some of you ???? really my 14 year old grand daughter can grasp these basic concepts.

For someone who seems to know everything, you apparently don't know that GTA Online runs on a peer-to-peer architecture, meaning the clients do most of the heavy lifting themselves and server load on Rockstar's side is light. What they do mostly is save player profiles, like the amount of money or player kills you have. That means that a grinder who plays a 5 minute mission to fetch/deliver a crate in an empty session actually takes up less resources on Rockstar's side than a PvPer who kills, dies, blows up personal vehicles, buys homing launcher ammo, etc. multiple times in the same time span.

 

I will readily agree that the Oppressor Mk II is very likely one of the main virtual assets players spend real money on, but it has nothing to do with server costs, and besides, profit-seeking isn't an excuse to make a sh*tty game, it's only a rationalization.

Edited July 11, 2020 by SummerFreeze

[Lonely-Martin]

3 hours ago, DEADMEAT2016 said:

Not  one thing you said made any sense at all, YELLOW ZOOMER.

Let me introduce you to a concept we call reality. For the most part the only communication that Rock Star needs from their fanbase is when they buy, or use their creations. The fact that you started a petition, one that has been done many times before, and that Rock Star has zero interest in shows you are some kind of idealistic nut job. Now I'm not telling you don't start any silly petitions, but I am telling you that if you think for even an instant you are doing anything other than massage the part of your brain that in non functional ... your Mama raised a fool.

 If you want to "improve" or think you "Know" how to improve anything at Rock Star ... apply for a job there.

When I say "time to ride" ... see that Motorcycle in my Avatar dim-wit ... It's one of several I own, and when small brained people or my Olde' Lady or whoever begin to remind me of the buzzing of Fly's I ride ...

I made that little video to try and explain a couple of concepts, I made it some time ago just to post places like this. Watch it until it sinks in  Part of Rock Stars current business model revolves around attracting younger Players that Grief, Players that are impatient and by their very nature more likely to spend money and fund the servers. If there is any part of that that you can't understand, that might explain why the heck you first thought making a petition about an in game item that makes Rock Star money in conjunction with the Pay Walls they put in game was a good ideal. Or LOL that it might actually have some kind of effect on Rock Star or illicit a response other than create the next OP Griefing tool.

 It's like some of you don't understand Rock Star is a Business, not a Charity. Their motivation in making the games is to make money. They would 100% rather have a "Grinder" that eats up thousands of hours of server time and spends nothing to fund them leave the game and replace that "grinder" with a "griefer" that will play the game for a period of time, spend money, and loose interest .. ALL DAY LONG.

 Some of you also seem to think that the more Players the better .. again let me introduce my friend REALITY. Larger numbers are great IF a cost effective SERVER TIME USED / MONEY SPENT RATIO is achieved. The term "cost effective" means the money generated by the users of those servers pays for the usage. If that ratio is not achieved then they take steps in game to manipulate the Player population and make up.... they do that by introducing the latest and greatest griefing tool.. If and when one is introduced it ....

A) attracts impatient Players that will spend money instead of dealing with pay walls

B) cause grinders eating up FREE server time to leave the game

It's a WIN-WIN for them.

 

How freakin' old are some of you ???? really my 14 year old grand daughter can grasp these basic concepts.

 

Gotta be fair here...

 

Before you go taking cheap shots at those that have posted here and assume they're younger or less educated than you or your grandkids, at least show you yourself can read, lol.

 

@YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE wasn't the one to create this petition. *facepalm* 

 

Ahh, sh*t. Ninja'd by @kenmy13999 on the next page, lol. Still, it's no less true. *shrugs

Edited July 11, 2020 by Lonely-Martin
#ninja

[DEADMEAT2016]

retracted

Edited July 18, 2020 by DEADMEAT2016

[HamwithCheese]

reading is hard

[Spectre "2K"]

just because there is no "free lunch" doesn't mean r* has to commit highway robbery on some poor children who don't know any better, all the while spitting in the face and actively curb stomping their old time and loyal fanbase

 

yeah a business is a business and they need to keep making money to keep their shareholders happy. But you look at r*'s earnings and try telling any of us with a straight face that they can't afford to be a little more generous with their shark card value

 

to put into perspective, everything in arena war costs from 70 to 100 mill, and it costs 100 dollars USD to get a pathetic 8.5 million as it stands. Which, by the way, isn't even enough to max out a yacht or buy a gold reskin of a useless plane

 

as for the mk2, they've given rebates on previously purchased vehicles before (making returning player content available to all and making it free for returning players), and I have no doubt they could do it again. would they? lmao no

 

 

[TCA]

Not signing for the fact it’s dead on arrival. They’re not going to remove the oppressor. Get over it.

[Catnipz]

Would much rather have a petition to lay some extremely stringent measures against online modders but not really disagreeing with this too.
MKII is slightly OP not gonna lie and renders a lot of other air crafts useless if the MKII rider is good (and honestly it's not hard to be good at it). It is the fastest map wide/most easily accessible griefing tool but also the most useful vehicle to reach places and complete the otherwise impossible solo delivery missions. And there are countermeasures against it that does not require a vehicle but some good aim and a rocket or two. Would be fun to see homing rockets removed though and the rage as a result. I don't mind air superiority being granted back to helos and jets at least they are larger targets and harder to hide themselves or turn into a land vehicle.

Or an easier solution is that players being killed by another player (not npc) can just spawn in a safe place they chose in their option menu. Sure the griefers can benefit from it to some extent too but then the griefing itself will be interrupted which is a good thing.

Last thing I expect is for rockstar to change anything favoring the player base though. They only change things that will affect their profits. One of the worst there is at least as far as GTAO goes.

Edited July 12, 2020 by Catnipz

[kenmy13999]

7 hours ago, DEADMEAT2016 said:

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 So that is why I often try to give Rock Star some credit for their Monetary Scheme and not following the heard and adopting a loot box scheme or a pay for server time plan .... yet.

 

I used to say that the way R* does it with microtransactions was the best among that and loot boxes, season pass, payed dlc, etc etc but not sure anymore since franchises like Battlefield, Cod seems to have gone away from it, now you get free dlc's and can pay to get some extra skins and weapon blueprints. 

 

AFAIK the GTA 4 online servers is still up and running I'm pretty sure they don't make any money from it, so that should tell a little about how expensive it is (or isn't) to run their servers 

 

 

 

Edit: this is a little note to myself and everyone that says petitions don't do anything. There was a couple of petitions about removing the advanced handling flags from the cars in game, they weren't removed but at least they got adjusted and making the cars better to drive. Can't say 100% this was because of the petition but can't say it hadn't anything to do with it either.

That being said I don't think the op mk2 will be removed from the game, best we can hope for is some adjustments but that isn't very likely either imo 

Edited July 12, 2020 by kenmy13999

[AdriiRozayXOXO]

Petitions only really work with real life issues/problems. The only time i've seen it work with something digital is when they had one to change the Sonic design from the last movie lol

Just give them weaker rockets instead of removing them, R* would have to give compensation if they removed the MKII, specially since some people own multiples of it and some people spent real shark card money on them

 

Even if they removed the MKII, I know for a fact that there's atleast 3 other vehicles that can grief way worse not including jets or the FL Ruiner, albeit in a glitched state.

 

[SummerFreeze]

7 hours ago, XOIIIIIXIIIIIXO said:

R* would have to give compensation if they removed the MKII, specially since some people own multiples of it and some people spent real shark card money on them

That's the real reason why it won't be removed.

[Arrows to Athens]

They want to release a 7 year old broken game for the fifth time on the next gen consoles. If that doesn't already tell you that they're greedy schmucks who don't give a flying f*ck anymore, then I don't know what does.

[Arrows to Athens]

16 minutes ago, BumpyJohnson said:

Shut up clown nobody asked whats the best option for you crybabies.  You make no sense anyweay.  You stay on this forum all day jumping from thread to thread spewing R* hate whining about a game you rarely even play.  wtf?

Well, even if he played the game often, you'd just say "if you hate Rockstar/GTA Online so much, then why do you even play the game? wtf?".

 

You're gonna question his logic either way.

Edited July 13, 2020 by Arrows to Athens

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

 

3 hours ago, Arrows to Athens said:

Well, even if he played the game often, you'd just say "if you hate Rockstar/GTA Online so much, then why do you even play the game? wtf?".

Funny, last time I've checked my stats on the Rockstar Social Club, my total playtime was 208 days, 8H hours and 48 mins.

 

And while a good ammount of that time was being AFK (which I don't do anymore anyways), I guess I've played this game long enough to have more of less of an idea of what the f*ck is wrong with this game.

 

But hey, I guess that unless I'm a R* apologist that doesn't matter, right? /s

[Lonely-Martin]

1 hour ago, BumpyJohnson said:

You make no sense anyweay. 

Nor did you with that spelling.

[SummerFreeze]

1 hour ago, BumpyJohnson said:

@Black-Dragon counters have been posted.  Just because you and the other crybabies refuse to accept them doesnt mean they arent counters.

What are the Top 3 Oppressor Mk II counters in your opinion?

[Ghoffman9]

On 7/11/2020 at 6:50 PM, DEADMEAT2016 said:

I do not know the exact contractual agreements between TTWO or Rock Star as to the server situation, and any third party server farms involved, and or the agreements made with STEAM or EPIC, But it is an expense none the less, and it is the Monetary Scheme RS has in place that funds them. I am not in a position to judge the morality of this Shark Card monetary Scheme, but I do see it's merits, and believe they out way the negatives if some future alternative is a pay for server time plan.

The monetization scheme they got going simply does not work. It quickly devolved to tactics ripped straight from mobile games in the ways they try to limit how much money you can make with artificial time lengtheners via cooldowns and long trips to the other side of the map and back for nearly every mission. They made the gameplay intentionally tedious and grindy. The scheme requires it to be so. It incentives them to do so. Create the problem, sell you the solution. It undermines why we purchase games, to play them of course. They want you to give them money to completely skip the game progression. They want you to pay to basically have the game play itself. That makes as much sense as buying a coloring book and paying your sister to color it in for you. The enjoyment is doing the activity yourself.

The whole premise incentives them to make intentionally mediocre gameplay. In what world should that make sense? None if you ask me.

 

They stick with this scheme because they make more than they would with a traditional one up front cost for all the content. Can they charge fifty bucks for a single vehicle with the old payment method? Hell no! Its the reason why they choose to stay the course despite the complaints. Would they get away with making intentionally bad gameplay with the old payment method? Hell no, as no one would pay the one up front cost if they know the gameplay within sucks.

 

Its a pay to win racket where those with the most money dominate as well as oppress everyone who doesn't. The irony behind Gta Online going free to play is that this game is the most unfriendly to new players than any other game I have ever seen because of all these issues. If you want to actually be on an even level with the veterans who been playing off and on over the past seven years, they would have to pay through the teeth by literally paying thousands of dollars at this point. Cause otherwise its impossible for them to close the gap at this stage in the game's life.

 

Despite the success they had, do they spend any of it to improve the game's quality of life? Nope.

Players are still plagued with long loading times, frequent disconnects, among other issues. PC players got it worst with their version of Gta Online being a script kiddie playground.

Not a penny was spent to address these issues. Most of that profit goes to the shareholders, thats where it goes.

They made well over six billion dollars on Gta Online thus far, so its unjustifiable for them to not spend a little on that addressing such issues.

 

I can go on all day with the profits they made and how little we as players get in return from Gta Online but I figured I made my point.

[MechanicMammal]

9 hours ago, Ghoffman9 said:

 

Despite the success they had, do they spend any of it to improve the game's quality of life? Nope.

Players are still plagued with long loading times, frequent disconnects, among other issues. PC players got it worst with their version of Gta Online being a script kiddie playground.

Not a penny was spent to address these issues. Most of that profit goes to the shareholders, thats where it goes.

They made well over six billion dollars on Gta Online thus far, so its unjustifiable for them to not spend a little on that addressing such issues.

 

I can go on all day with the profits they made and how little we as players get in return from Gta Online but I figured I made my point.

 

This is what Rstar need to turn there attention to in my opinion, I'm one of the PC players and modding is a much much bigger issue than the Oppressor mk 2 ever could be.

I would be happy for them to not release any new content for as long as it took to get the game working correctly and to eliminate online modding. And balancing of payouts to make things they already have added like Arena War for example more appealing to play from a financial perspective. A proper quality of life update is definatly needed.

 

But at the same time there has not been a game in history which has had so much continued content released for so long, we all have to admit that we have recieved a lot,

TBH when Doomsday released I thought that would be the last big addition, I was happy to be wrong because everything that was was added after it apart from the Broomstick rocked.

And for some reason (if reading the wishlist speculation thread is anything to go by) there are a lot of self entitled people around moaning that we have not heard anything about any upcoming DLC.

WTF even if all the different major world events had not of happened why has anyone got any entiltlement to more content?

I have never spent a penny of real money on shark card's so I do not see the money grabing aspect of the DLC's some do.

 

I'm not sure why they are rereleasing GTA on next Gen tbh, well yeah it is money, this is kinda weird and surely making it backward compatible would be the better option with a patch for next gen to improve frame rates and textures etc.

I have already bought this game 3 times never again.

[Big Molio]

On 7/11/2020 at 7:13 PM, DEADMEAT2016 said:

Not  one thing you said made any sense at all, YELLOW ZOOMER brother.

Let me introduce you to a concept we call reality man. For the most part the only communication that Rock Star needs from their fanbase is when they buy, or use their creations. The fact that you started a petition, one that has been done many times before, and that Rock Star has zero interest in shows you are some kind of idealistic nut job. Now I'm not telling you don't start any silly petitions brother, but I am telling you that if you think for even an instant you are doing anything other than massage the part of your brain that in non functional ... your Mama raised a fool.

 If you want to "improve" or think you "Know" how to improve anything at Rock Star ... apply for a job there.

When I say "time to ride" Mean Gene ... see that Motorcycle in my Avatar dim-wit ... It's one of several I own, and when small brained people or my Olde' Lady or whoever begin to remind me of the buzzing of Fly's I ride man.

I made that little video to try and explain a couple of concepts, I made it some time ago just to post places like this. Watch it until it sinks in brother. Part of Rock Stars current business model revolves around attracting younger Players that Grief, Players that are impatient and by their very nature more likely to spend money and fund the servers. If there is any part of that that you can't understand, that might explain why the heck you first thought making a petition about an in game item that makes Rock Star money in conjunction with the Pay Walls they put in game was a good ideal. Or LOL that it might actually have some kind of effect on Rock Star or illicit a response other than create the next OP Griefing tool.

 It's like some of you don't understand Rock Star is a Business, not a Charity man. Their motivation in making the games is to make money brother. They would 100% rather have a "Grinder" that eats up thousands of hours of server time and spends nothing to fund them leave the game and replace that "grinder" with a "griefer" that will play the game for a period of time, spend money, and loose interest .. ALL DAY LONG.

Some of you also seem to think that the more Players the better .. again let me introduce my friend REALITY. Larger numbers are great IF a cost effective SERVER TIME USED / MONEY SPENT RATIO is achieved. The term "cost effective" means the money generated by the users of those servers pays for the usage. If that ratio is not achieved then they take steps in game to manipulate the Player population and make up.... they do that by introducing the latest and greatest griefing tool.. If and when one is introduced it ....

A) attracts impatient Players that will spend money instead of dealing with pay walls

B) cause grinders eating up FREE server time to leave the game

It's a WIN-WIN for them.

 

How freakin' old are some of you ???? really my 14 year old grand daughter can grasp these basic Hulkamania concepts, like training, saying your prayers and eating your vitamins.
 

Watch’ya gonna do, when Hulkamania runs wild on you!

 

Forgive me for editing your post slightly, it just read better when I read it aloud in the style of Hulk Hogan.

[SummerFreeze]

21 hours ago, Ghoffman9 said:

The monetization scheme they got going simply does not work. It quickly devolved to tactics ripped straight from mobile games in the ways they try to limit how much money you can make with artificial time lengtheners via cooldowns and long trips to the other side of the map and back for nearly every mission. They made the gameplay intentionally tedious and grindy. The scheme requires it to be so. It incentives them to do so. Create the problem, sell you the solution. It undermines why we purchase games, to play them of course. They want you to give them money to completely skip the game progression. They want you to pay to basically have the game play itself. That makes as much sense as buying a coloring book and paying your sister to color it in for you. The enjoyment is doing the activity yourself.

The whole premise incentives them to make intentionally mediocre gameplay. In what world should that make sense? None if you ask me.

Pretty much none of that applies to the Casino Heist DLC though.

 

The issue of putting profit over the creation of a good game exists regardless of which particular type of monetization scheme is used.

Edited July 14, 2020 by SummerFreeze

[Ghoffman9]

Just now, SummerFreeze said:

Pretty much none of that applies to the Casino Heist DLC though.

 

The issue of putting profit over the creation of a good game exists regardless of which type of monetization scheme is used.

Really? The additional steps they add in before you can actually do the heist ringing any bells?

Remember the first set of heists they added to the game where all you got is the setups and the finale? Those were the days, now you got fifty other steps involved before you can even begin the setups. 

 

Most of your time is spent getting your ducks in a row than anything. They're artificial time lengtheners as well. Ironically I contemplated including these in my original post but cut it out among a few other things to shorten the post's size.

[SummerFreeze]

11 minutes ago, Ghoffman9 said:

Really? The additional steps they add in before you can actually do the heist ringing any bells?

Remember the first set of heists they added to the game where all you got is the setups and the finale? Those were the days, now you got fifty other steps involved before you can even begin the setups. 

 

Most of your time is spent getting your ducks in a row than anything. They're artificial time lengtheners as well. Ironically I contemplated including these in my original post but cut it out among a few other things to shorten the post's size.

Wait, you really prefer the setup missions of the original heist DLC?

 

Most of the Casino Heist preps are actually pretty fun, and I enjoy playing them, else I would just glitch the heist to be able to repeat it directly.

 

The big question is though how would all of that be different under a different monetization scheme? The actual casino heist itself is fairly short and doesn't have that much variation, so if you paid to hop straight into those, I wouldn't consider that an improvement. Different monetization doesn't mean more resources invested into game development.

Edited July 14, 2020 by SummerFreeze

[Ghoffman9]

4 minutes ago, SummerFreeze said:

Wait, you really prefer the setup missions of the original heist DLC?

 

Most of the Casino Heist preps are actually pretty fun, and I enjoy playing them, else I would just glitch the heist to be able to repeat it directly.

 

The big question is though how would all of that be different under a different monetization scheme? The actual casino heist itself is fairly short and doesn't have that much variation, so if you paid to hop straight into those, I wouldn't consider that an improvement.

Cause the old ways of monetization with one up front cost incentives the developer and their publisher to create the best content possible to ensure sales. Whereas this current system does the opposite of that.

Secondly do you realize how much money the leader loses if they pay to skip all the preps? I have not done the math but I wager you would be lucky to break even if you did. The fact they included an option to pay to skip that sh*t proves my point precisely. If its such great content then why put in a skip option?

 

Its always drive to the opposite side of the map, get the thing, then bring it back. All the while praying that a Mk 2 Oppressor, jet, or something else  does not show up to blow your ass to kingdom come during your long trek back.

[SummerFreeze]

8 minutes ago, Ghoffman9 said:

Cause the old ways of monetization with one up front cost incentives the developer and their publisher to create the best content possible to ensure sales. Whereas this current system does the opposite of that.

Secondly do you realize how much money the leader loses if they pay to skip all the preps? I have not done the math but I wager you would be lucky to break even if you did. The fact they included an option to pay to skip that sh*t proves my point precisely. If its such great content then why put in a skip option?

 

Its always drive to the opposite side of the map, get the thing, then bring it back. All the while praying that a Mk 2 Oppressor, jet, or something else  does not show up to blow your ass to kingdom come during your long trek back.

Well, for one you can do all the prep work in invite-only sessions, so there is no issue with griefers. Secondly, you can't skip all the preps, only a few optional ones that are the same for every approach. Thirdly, if you get a bad prep mission that sends you to Paleto Bay, you can simply respawn in your arcade and restart the mission.

 

Anyway, that's all really beside the point. The "old ways of monetization" are over because the new ways make more money. So we really have the same criticism. I just see it as a wider issue that's irrespective of GTA Online and the particular monetization scheme Rockstar employs.

Edited July 14, 2020 by SummerFreeze

[Rotorhead359]

6 hours ago, Ghoffman9 said:

Cause the old ways of monetization with one up front cost incentives the developer and their publisher to create the best content possible to ensure sales. Whereas this current system does the opposite of that.

Secondly do you realize how much money the leader loses if they pay to skip all the preps? I have not done the math but I wager you would be lucky to break even if you did. The fact they included an option to pay to skip that sh*t proves my point precisely. If its such great content then why put in a skip option?

 

Its always drive to the opposite side of the map, get the thing, then bring it back. All the while praying that a Mk 2 Oppressor, jet, or something else  does not show up to blow your ass to kingdom come during your long trek back.

ever tried doing casino preps in an invite only session? it's great, you should try it