I made a petition

[Gentle_Shelby]

lmao

[CarimboHanky]

2 hours ago, Black-Dragon96 said:

Sadly, not really.

Anyone with 2 or 3 braincells left can freeaim the missiles. It has a fixed tilt angle that makes it easier to aim, it stabilizes itself wich makes it easier to aim, it can hoover in place with zero effects by turbulenz wich (you guessed it) makes it easier to aim,...

Im sorry but the missiles have to go. The regular machineguns should get a boost in damage, it should get a slight speed increase and a few more of its countermeasures to make up for the loss.

in my opinion, while some people manage to master freeaiming missiles, the true problem with the mk2 is their homing missiles and them locking into player vehicles, which makes griefing people easier.

 

in my experience, most of the times i get killed by someone using a mk2, is not when im on foot, its when im driving around in a vehicle not named nightshark/insurgent, do i get fools trying their luck against this vehicles? sure but most of the time after 5-6 missiles they move away and look for an easier target aka someone driving a regular vehicle.

[Shiloh Comes]

As someone old enough to have had family who fought against fascism for real, it's rise in all it's forms among the young, especially in their thinking and staggeriing entitlement is alarming for the future. There are so many people who don't even see anything psychopathic whatsoever about their desire to model everything they encounter in their own image and stamp out anyone or anything that does not conform to their worldview.

 

I have 6 Broomstick 2's.

 

3 on each character. One in the TB for doing cargo, one at Exceptionalists Way for when I get back from AFK to complete Blow Up and fly out and over the Arena to blow up the cars and score an easy 18 grand, and one at the casino to use when I spawn and enter the city.

 

I don't go in populated public lobbies and have never griefed anyone in my life, but you know, go ahead and ruin the way I play, go ahead and step on me to get what you want Mussolini.

 

How about instead of a petition, make a statue of the OP2 in your backyard, then you can tear it down and you will feel better and like God of your world?

 

Terrifying future you lot have.

[unicornace]

49 minutes ago, Shiloh Comes said:

Terrifying future you lot have.

Dude, we ALL have a terrifying future unless you're f*cking off to Mars with Elon.

[Lonely-Martin]

1 hour ago, Shiloh Comes said:

As someone old enough to have had family who fought against fascism for real, it's rise in all it's forms among the young, especially in their thinking and staggeriing entitlement is alarming for the future. There are so many people who don't even see anything psychopathic whatsoever about their desire to model everything they encounter in their own image and stamp out anyone or anything that does not conform to their worldview.

 

I have 6 Broomstick 2's.

 

3 on each character. One in the TB for doing cargo, one at Exceptionalists Way for when I get back from AFK to complete Blow Up and fly out and over the Arena to blow up the cars and score an easy 18 grand, and one at the casino to use when I spawn and enter the city.

 

I don't go in populated public lobbies and have never griefed anyone in my life, but you know, go ahead and ruin the way I play, go ahead and step on me to get what you want Mussolini.

 

How about instead of a petition, make a statue of the OP2 in your backyard, then you can tear it down and you will feel better and like God of your world?

 

Terrifying future you lot have.

I swear, the more I read of your opinions, the more I'm convinced you're Blasterman4ever, his brother or something related, lol.

 

Folk just want a better balanced game, it's nothing that needs over-analysing or comparing players wanting better to real life knobheads like that. Talk about dramatic, and pretty weak too.

Edited July 9, 2020 by Lonely-Martin
Autospell fail.

[SummerFreeze]

3 hours ago, Shiloh Comes said:

one at Exceptionalists Way for when I get back from AFK to complete Blow Up and fly out and over the Arena to blow up the cars and score an easy 18 grand

How often do you have to do that to make the money back on the purchase cost of the Mk II? 100+ times?

 

Might as well just skip the mission and respawn in a new session.

Edited July 9, 2020 by SummerFreeze

[JamesTKirk]

If you want a "better balanced game" then play in a solo lobby by yourself.

 

If you are worried about some virus, then YOU wear a mask.  Don't create some law to make EVERYONE wear a mask, just because YOU are afraid.

 

You are sympomatic of the entire human planet right now... so don't feel too bad about my criticism?  You're certainly not alone.  Just look around at all the mask-wearing fools, er, uh, people. 

 

 

[SummerFreeze]

36 minutes ago, JamesTKirk said:

If you are worried about some virus, then YOU wear a mask.  Don't create some law to make EVERYONE wear a mask, just because YOU are afraid.

The problem with that analogy is that masks aren't really that good at protecting oneself, rather they reduce exposure of others when sick people wear them. (Who might not even know they're sick.)

 

So the actual analogy here is an Oppressor Mk II nerf.

Edited July 9, 2020 by SummerFreeze

[Gettin up]

Highly doubt it.

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

2 hours ago, Shiloh Comes said:

As someone old enough to have had family who fought against fascism for real, it's rise in all it's forms among the young, especially in their thinking and staggeriing entitlement is alarming for the future. There are so many people who don't even see anything psychopathic whatsoever about their desire to model everything they encounter in their own image and stamp out anyone or anything that does not conform to their worldview.

 

I have 6 Broomstick 2's.

 

3 on each character. One in the TB for doing cargo, one at Exceptionalists Way for when I get back from AFK to complete Blow Up and fly out and over the Arena to blow up the cars and score an easy 18 grand, and one at the casino to use when I spawn and enter the city.

 

I don't go in populated public lobbies and have never griefed anyone in my life, but you know, go ahead and ruin the way I play, go ahead and step on me to get what you want Mussolini.

 

How about instead of a petition, make a statue of the OP2 in your backyard, then you can tear it down and you will feel better and like God of your world?

 

Terrifying future you lot have.

 

News flash: The Oppressor Mk II being nerfed in any way whatsoever wouldn't make it completely useless for grinding purposes, after all, it would still be such a versatile vehicle.

 

To suggest otherwise is absurd. To oppose having a more fair and balanced game in exchange for a little bit of convenience is selfish and entitled. To even compare something as harmless as an online petition to freaking fascism of all things is beyond stupid and outright disrespectful to the people who suffered (and still suffer) by it in the past.

 

[kenmy13999]

1 hour ago, Lonely-Martin said:

I swear, the more I read of your opinions, the more I'm convinced you're Blasterman4ever, his brother or something related, lol.

 

Folk just want a better balanced game, it's nothing that needs over-analysing or comparing players wanting better to real life knobheads like that. Talk about dramatic, and pretty weak too.

Not only that but the irony of him talking about others entitlement is really funny

[Black-Dragon96]

3 hours ago, Shiloh Comes said:

As someone old enough to have had family who fought against fascism for real, it's rise in all it's forms among the young, especially in their thinking and staggeriing entitlement is alarming for the future. There are so many people who don't even see anything psychopathic whatsoever about their desire to model everything they encounter in their own image and stamp out anyone or anything that does not conform to their worldview.

And that paragraph adds to the debate why exactly?

 

We are talking about a freaking videogame not f*cking fascism. Funnily the latter is still being a problem because some people seem immune to change and cry out entitlement when people want to change things.

You may not use your mk2 to harm other people but others do. And its way to easy to use and be effective with it for the simple reason that you litterally can not fail using it. Good luck pulling out of a dive with a jet before you hit the ground when you missjudged your hight. The mk2 just bounces of.

Building in the way? Jet goes boom, mk2 just drives up the building.

Other griefingtools have flaws that make them counterable.

The mk2 has few flaws and fewer counters. The sh*t I pull of with my stromberg to get rid of them requires timing, luck and a sizeable amount of stupidity from the broomstick boy. Some do not even consider the stromberg a counter because going at an mk2 with it is pretty much attempted suicide.

Edited July 9, 2020 by Black-Dragon96

[MechanicMammal]

Rockstar will never remove it,

It is unlikely that they will nerf it again,

The best solution we can hope for is that they bring out a new way of dealing with them which does not over power other vehicles.

Analyse the things it can do better than every other vehicle, which is nearly everything. But it also has a weakness no other vehicle has.

It is very weak against Kinetic weapons! my weapon of choice if they are close is the Alien Boopy Gun it will take out a oppressor 1 shot but it is only a inconveiniance for any other vehicles.

So introducing the alien boopy rifle, basicly its a longer range version of the gun. slightly longer range than the missiles.

It should have the projectile speed similar to the rail gun and 100% accurate, so that if the bike is near the crosshair they will tumble from there broomstick as soon as you pull the trigger. But make it manual aim with a reasonable area of effect so shots will still get them with splash damage from say a few meters away.

Try to balance it with variables like splash area and shot reload time so it has the advantage but the oppressor kiddie still has a chance because it would suck if it was to easy.

Hit a oppressor with it and they are eating concrete, hit a chopper with it and you push them a meter or 2 away from you

Also because the weapon does not blow up the bike you do not get charged insurance, mind you personally I would always follow this up with rigged explosives on the  blood thing while they were respawning.

So im kinda suggesting a Paper, scissors and stone type of idea.

Edited July 9, 2020 by MechanicMammal

[Sentinel Driver]

I'm gonna just say that this is borderline 

 

 

They're not going to suddenly remove a vehicle from the game after 2 years of its release just because the vehicle has been used for "griefing"

They've made adjustments to the game to prevent griefing and they've nerfed mk2 by adding a cooldown to it

 

This applies to everything in the game in general. If you think that something is overpowered and used for griefing do you really think that r* will just flat out remove it from the game completely? No, they've spent a lot of development time on developing that specific vehicle whatever you're petitioning to have removed from the game. Instead you should suggest on what aspects of the vehicle need to be adjusted in order for it to be more balanced and what aspects could be adjusted on other vehicles to make them more competitive.

 

[Guest]

 

On 7/8/2020 at 1:51 PM, Shotty Gun said:

It's a petition to remove the Opressor Mark II due to the excessive amount of griefing it has caused. 

 

Here's the link: http://chng.it/cBHsLjGz

Im with you on removing it but not because of griefing.  It can be countered.  I just dont like how its changed the game.  Unfortunately nothing will come of the petition.

[Black-Dragon96]

16 hours ago, BumpyJohnson said:

It can be countered.

With what?

Another mk2?

[HamwithCheese]

On 7/9/2020 at 4:16 AM, Shiloh Comes said:

As someone old enough to have had family who fought against fascism for real, it's rise in all it's forms among the young, especially in their thinking and staggeriing entitlement is alarming for the future. There are so many people who don't even see anything psychopathic whatsoever about their desire to model everything they encounter in their own image and stamp out anyone or anything that does not conform to their worldview.

 

I have 6 Broomstick 2's.

 

3 on each character. One in the TB for doing cargo, one at Exceptionalists Way for when I get back from AFK to complete Blow Up and fly out and over the Arena to blow up the cars and score an easy 18 grand, and one at the casino to use when I spawn and enter the city.

 

I don't go in populated public lobbies and have never griefed anyone in my life, but you know, go ahead and ruin the way I play, go ahead and step on me to get what you want Mussolini.

 

How about instead of a petition, make a statue of the OP2 in your backyard, then you can tear it down and you will feel better and like God of your world?

 

Terrifying future you lot have.

Wow how did you ever play this game without this magical bike? How did you ever play a Grand Theft Auto. Wow, I'm so sorry this vehicle means so much to you, I take it all back. Make it indestructible, make it 20 times fast, make it free, everything needs this bike apparently, the whole game hinges on it now I see

[Jenkiiii]

On 7/9/2020 at 6:16 AM, Shiloh Comes said:

I have 6 Broomsticks.

 

3 on each character...

Really? What a waste of garage space.

 

I'm not going to pour gasoline on your other over-the-top comments, other than to say chill out.

 

One thing I will say in positive response to the Oppressor Mk II is that I now see a lot less jets flying around, which is good. Being caught out in the desert during a job by a couple of persistent jet griefers can be hell. You have no way of teleporting away until the job is completed and cannot use RC Bandito or RC Tanks to 'hide', so are subject to constant raining down of explosive bullets, which is worse than the Oppressor Mk II that at least runs out of missiles.

 

Edited July 10, 2020 by Jenkiiii

[Gaffa]

On 7/8/2020 at 9:11 PM, GoodTimesAhead said:

I believe the game is coming to an end with new content. 

Next Gen & PC "exclusive online content" says hi. GTA V's Online is Rockstar Games' primary product and cash cow - that aint gonna' stop being fed any time soon. 

 

... 

 

Oh, and Rockstar made a balls of missiles. They should fly very fast, but they should require more of a lock-on and shouldn't continuously track targets - once they miss, they've missed. 

Edited July 10, 2020 by Gaffa

[Jenkiiii]

4 minutes ago, Gaffa said:

Oh, and Rockstar made a balls of missiles. They should fly very fast, but they should require more of a lock-on and shouldn't continuously track targets - once they miss, they've missed. 

What I like about Buzzard and Homing Launcher missiles is that you have time to locate the source, turn and fly towards it, effectively avoiding the missiles because they can't turn quickly enough; however, with the Oppressor Mk II, once you hear the incoming beep beep beep, you're essentially toast. Do something, please, Rockstar.

 

And considering Rockstar have gone full on futuristic retard with these missiles, why not give us Star Wars-style forcefields for our vehicles so that missiles bounce off them. This forcefield could be applied to buses and passenger aircraft to protect multiple people. They could charge $1,000 for 30 seconds of protection and make themselves even more money . I don't know why I find this so comical, the thought of bubbles being chased around the map by players bobbing up and down on flying broomsticks.

 

 

[Gaffa]

Lol ^ I'm surprised as this point an "EMP Orbital Cannon" doesn't exist which temporarily disables electronic weapons (like Missiles, including countermeasures) and some vehicles (like P996 Lazers and Oppressors) that enter the area it's fired upon for 60 seconds or something. 

[MechanicMammal]

21 hours ago, Black-Dragon96 said:

With what?

Another mk2?

The Stromberg can work because it can take a bit of damage and has good missiles, The ruiner has god teir missiles like the oppressor you have a chance but will probably trade kills, a fully loaded ruiner 2000.

But I find the best counter is to get out and away from your vehicle as soon as you see one on the mini map.

You have more chance on foot, no lock on. try find some cover that forces the op mk 2 to attack from a particular angle Then Sniper rifles at long range, Combat MG at med range and the boopy gun closer up.

21 hours ago, Gaffa said:

Lol ^ I'm surprised as this point an "EMP Orbital Cannon" doesn't exist which temporarily disables electronic weapons (like Missiles, including countermeasures) and some vehicles (like P996 Lazers and Oppressors) that enter the area it's fired upon for 60 seconds or something. 

I have said before that the delivery vehicles should have a EMP devices on them and the Hydra (it fits with the OG heists story). You could put it in the unarmed Insurgent as well. give it a few minute cooldown so you need to time its use well and not to make it to op in itself.

Edited July 11, 2020 by MechanicMammal

[DEADMEAT2016]

retracted

 

Edited July 18, 2020 by DEADMEAT2016

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

47 minutes ago, DEADMEAT2016 said:

Why do people do these petitions, seriously.

I dunno, perhaps because there's next to zero comunication between R* and their fanbase, hence why someone would resort to an online petition in order to catch their attention about one of the various issues this game still has.

 

But that's just a theory, a Game Theory™.

 

51 minutes ago, DEADMEAT2016 said:

Do they not understand some basic facts about GTA5, the funding of the servers, and Rock Stars overall Business approach within GTA5 ???

I guess most people here have at the very least a basic understanding of all these things, why they don't work properly and how they could be improved actually.

 

53 minutes ago, DEADMEAT2016 said:

I'm looking for that one guys reply, to add as a quote, but the heck with it ...

Dude have you ever heard of the Buzzard.

And some people think I'm crazy. Please don't take away his "broomstick"

When I start to feel like the sanest person in the room ... I leave

I'm done for today .... time to ride

Umm... what?

23 hours ago, Black-Dragon96 said:

With what?

Another mk2?

inb4 "you can counter it with a solo public session" lmao

[Black-Dragon96]

2 hours ago, MechanicMammal said:

The Stromberg can work because it can take a bit of damage and has good missiles, The ruiner has god teir missiles like the oppressor you have a chance but will probably trade kills, a fully loaded ruiner 2000.

But I find the best counter is to get out and away from your vehicle as soon as you see one on the mini map.

You have more chance on foot, no lock on. try find some cover that forces the op mk 2 to attack from a particular angle Then Sniper rifles at long range, Combat MG at med range and the boopy gun closer up.

The stromberg is, as I pointed out earlier, pretty much a suicide attempt.

 

Yes it has some armor but you to take the mk2 head on and as fast as you can possibly drive yourself to avoid getting hit. If you are two slow or if the angle is just a little of the missiles will hit you and you are toast. So you should expect to trade kills at best. If you are lucky you will survive but dont expect it.

The same rules apply for the ruiner 2000. Its even more of a suicide attemot on your part because if you get hit once or drive into an exploding vehicle around you, its game over.

 

To get them with a sniper they would have to be incredibly stupid. Same for the kinetic alien gun. The combat mg works in autoaim but not in freeaim.

You best bet gunwise is a minigun. And I dont mean the laserminigun. That thing is pretty much a huge "Look Im right here. Shoot me in the face." sign.

[SummerFreeze]

2 hours ago, MechanicMammal said:

The Stromberg can work because it can take a bit of damage and has good missiles, The ruiner has god teir missiles like the oppressor you have a chance but will probably trade kills, a fully loaded ruiner 2000.

But I find the best counter is to get out and away from your vehicle as soon as you see one on the mini map.

You have more chance on foot, no lock on. try find some cover that forces the op mk 2 to attack from a particular angle Then Sniper rifles at long range, Combat MG at med range and the boopy gun closer up.

Most of the commonly suggested Mk II counters are only counters because the average broomstick boy isn't very smart.

 

Stromberg: If the Mk II has chaff, and the Stromberg doesn't/can't maneuver or use cover, it should be an easy win for the Mk II.

 

Fully Loaded Ruiner 2000: Only works against broomstick boys who don't know the car negates missile lock-on and tanks multiple explosions. They will usually learn their lesson after the first encounter -- after reporting you for cheating.

 

Ground combat: Only works against broomstick boys who can't free-aim missiles from outside (AR/MG) lock-on range, and don't hover or fly in a straight line for long. Hitting a Mk II in motion with a sniper rifle is not easy. Plus the broomstick boy always has the option of landing on a roof and sniping back, with the advantage of needing to only reveal their head to you as a target.

 

Nightshark: This one actually works but it's more of a defensive counter. If a Mk II doesn't want to engage you, they can avoid you fairly easily and still attack others. More so for the Insurgent Pick-Up Custom or Half-Track, because these are even slower.

[DEADMEAT2016]

retracted

 

Edited July 18, 2020 by DEADMEAT2016
typo

[HamwithCheese]

You....you didn't say anything. Nothing in this paragraph has any merit towards the conversation.

 

"I'm not saying to do nothing, but it's pointless. I'm gonna ride my bike. Here's what it is *insert long winded explanation of everything we already know* my grandkid is smarter than you*

 

19 minutes ago, DEADMEAT2016 said:

Not  one thing you said made any sense at all, YELLOW ZOOMER.

Let me introduce you to a concept we call reality. For the most part the only communication that Rock Star needs from their fanbase is when they buy, or use their creations. The fact that you started a petition, one that has been done many times before, and that Rock Star has zero interest in shows you are some kind of idealistic nut job. Now I'm not telling you don't start any silly petitions, but I am telling you that if you think for even an instant you are doing anything other than massage the part of your brain that in non functional ... your Mama raised a fool.

 If you want to "improve" or think you "Know" how to improve anything at Rock Star ... apply for a job there.

When I say "time to ride" ... see that Motorcycle in my Avatar dim-wit ... It's one of several I own, and when small brained people or my Olde' Lady or whoever begin to remind me of the buzzing of Fly's I ride ...

I made that little video to try and explain a couple of concepts, I made it some time ago just to post places like this. Watch it until it sinks in  Part of Rock Stars current business model revolves around attracting younger Players that Grief, Players that are impatient and by their very nature more likely to spend money and fund the servers. If there is any part of that that you can't understand, that might explain why the heck you first thought making a petition about an in game item that makes Rock Star money in conjunction with the Pay Walls they put in game was a good ideal. Or LOL that it might actually have some kind of effect on Rock Star or illicit a response other than create the next OP Griefing tool.

 It's like some of you don't understand Rock Star is a Business, not a Charity. Their motivation in making the games is to make money. They would 100% rather have a "Grinder" that eats up thousands of hours of server time and spends nothing to fund them leave the game and replace that "grinder" with a "griefer" that will play the game for a period of time, spend money, and loose interest .. ALL DAY LONG.

 Some of you also seem to think that the more Players the better .. again let me introduce my friend REALITY. Larger numbers are great IF a cost effective SERVER TIME USED / MONEY SPENT RATIO is achieved. The term "cost effective" means the money generated by the users of those servers pays for the usage. If that ratio is not achieved then they take steps in game to manipulate the Player population and make up.... they do that by introducing the latest and greatest griefing tool.. If and when one is introduced it ....

A) attracts impatient Players that will spend money instead of dealing with pay walls

B) cause grinders eating up FREE server time to leave the game

It's a WIN-WIN for them.

 

How freakin' old are some of you ???? really my 14 year old grand daughter can grasp these basic concepts.

 

 

Edited July 11, 2020 by HamwithCheese

[DEADMEAT2016]

retracted

Edited July 18, 2020 by DEADMEAT2016

[roggek]

To make a balanced game the solution is very simple.

 

We have cars with unlimited fuel consuption.

Scattered around Los Santos and Blaine county are Gas stations.

 

Figure out the rest...

 

Spoiler

FFS we need to eat Meteorite bars when we are low on health, so why should we don't be able to refuel our cars...

The Opressor MkII is a "grinding wonder machine" (despite the missiles, which should be nerfed heavily...)

Edited July 11, 2020 by roggek