will gta 6 be a disappointment?

[José_Sócrates]

As far as I'm aware, no Benzos, no Dan Houser (it's a very real possibility that the story is not finished yet or that they scrap the story in the future, plus he had a lot of creative input in the games that went beyond the story), no Lazlow, and who knows who else will leave in the future for whatever reason. Normally, when the "OGs" start leaving a game company and the original teams that developed the original games start to dissolve, the next game the company releases tends to either be a massive flop, extremely divisive and generally hated by the original fanbase of the game franchise (or fans of the company itself), or simply not up to the standard set by the previous games. Despite all the topics and comments in this forum saying that dan houser's departure should be alright, that rockstar still has a good team, that we should have faith and similar stuff, this is something that we should really really be worried about . This is real, this is a trend, and there's not a lack of examples from different gaming companies of once great franchises going to sh*t once the original developers left. Rockstar is not special. On to the next point.

 

I personally think GTA V was disappointing as a gta game. Although I liked the different direction they went in RDR2, I still noticed that some of the annoying mechanics that I hated the most in GTAV were ported to that game, and some of them were made worse, so I'm obviously worried about that. This means that, for me personally, the game can be a disappointment.

 

It's a bit of an extension of the first point, but at the same time not really. It's not hard to notice how much rockstar has been changing in these past few years, and it's changing for the worst. They are more interested in making money than releasing quality games. The best example are the online updates. Even an update as ambitious as the cayo perico heist ended up being sh*t. Casino heist sh*t. Updates before those were sh*t. At least they were profitable. The point is that the Rockstar who gave us GTA V is not the same as the one who gave us RDR 2, and definitely not the one who will give us GTA VI.

 

Finally, I'm not sure when the game started development, but it's possible that it started in 2013. Assuming it gets released in 2023, those are 10 years in development.  I actually believe it started development in 2015/2016 because of online, but there's nothing to guarantee that is true, and it is entirely possible that it followed the trend of previous GTAs and started development as soon as GTA V was released in 2013. So, like I wrote, if development started in 2013 and the game gets released in 2023 at the earliest, then GTA VI will be released after at least 10 years of development. Ten years may seem great, it may seem that Rockstar are taking their time with the game to give us the most perfect GTA experience we've all been waiting for, but things aren't always as good as they seem. It's possible for a game to be in development for too long that it fails in quality. It's called development hell and it's something to be worried about. It has happened before with other games, so there is no reason to believe it won't happen again, because like I already wrote, Rockstar is not special. Of course, this is still unlikely to be happening for GTA VI because normally in these situations there is usually a lot of drama related to the game, which hasn't even been announced yet, and the company, and if the game was truly in development hell, we would very likely know about it for now. However, some signs are there and it's enough to make me uneasy. Dan Houser leaving now could be a sign of problems with the game, plus the fact that it's been already so goddamn long and they're not saying anything about the game despite the fact that we know they're (very likely) working on it, plus that shady article from that jason guy, plus the embarassing PS5 reveal, plus the fact that it's not really justifiable for a gta game to be in development for this long (this could make a whole topic), and a few other things. It's unlikely, but it's something to think about.

 

As an extra point, most games that have this much hype behind them are doomed to disappoint.

[EGA_6]

I'm just prepared to see many videos on YouTube in 2024-2025 explaining how GTA V is better than GTA VI in many ways. That's not to say the game will flop. I don't think it will, it's just that nostalgia is one helluva drug and many of the younger fanbase would not appreciate the game when all the goofy sh*t does not make an appearance in the game. 

Edited March 20, 2021 by EliteGamer_6

[VCPR]

10 hours ago, José_Sócrates said:

As far as I'm aware, no Benzos, no Dan Houser (it's a very real possibility that the story is not finished yet or that they scrap the story in the future, plus he had a lot of creative input in the games that went beyond the story), no Lazlow, and who knows who else will leave in the future for whatever reason. Normally, when the "OGs" start leaving a game company and the original teams that developed the original games start to dissolve, the next game the company releases tends to either be a massive flop, extremely divisive and generally hated by the original fanbase of the game franchise (or fans of the company itself), or simply not up to the standard set by the previous games. Despite all the topics and comments in this forum saying that dan houser's departure should be alright, that rockstar still has a good team, that we should have faith and similar stuff, this is something that we should really really be worried about . This is real, this is a trend, and there's not a lack of examples from different gaming companies of once great franchises going to sh*t once the original developers left. Rockstar is not special. On to the next point.

 

I personally think GTA V was disappointing as a gta game. Although I liked the different direction they went in RDR2, I still noticed that some of the annoying mechanics that I hated the most in GTAV were ported to that game, and some of them were made worse, so I'm obviously worried about that. This means that, for me personally, the game can be a disappointment.

 

It's a bit of an extension of the first point, but at the same time not really. It's not hard to notice how much rockstar has been changing in these past few years, and it's changing for the worst. They are more interested in making money than releasing quality games. The best example are the online updates. Even an update as ambitious as the cayo perico heist ended up being sh*t. Casino heist sh*t. Updates before those were sh*t. At least they were profitable. The point is that the Rockstar who gave us GTA V is not the same as the one who gave us RDR 2, and definitely not the one who will give us GTA VI.

 

Finally, I'm not sure when the game started development, but it's possible that it started in 2013. Assuming it gets released in 2023, those are 10 years in development.  I actually believe it started development in 2015/2016 because of online, but there's nothing to guarantee that is true, and it is entirely possible that it followed the trend of previous GTAs and started development as soon as GTA V was released in 2013. So, like I wrote, if development started in 2013 and the game gets released in 2023 at the earliest, then GTA VI will be released after at least 10 years of development. Ten years may seem great, it may seem that Rockstar are taking their time with the game to give us the most perfect GTA experience we've all been waiting for, but things aren't always as good as they seem. It's possible for a game to be in development for too long that it fails in quality. It's called development hell and it's something to be worried about. It has happened before with other games, so there is no reason to believe it won't happen again, because like I already wrote, Rockstar is not special. Of course, this is still unlikely to be happening for GTA VI because normally in these situations there is usually a lot of drama related to the game, which hasn't even been announced yet, and the company, and if the game was truly in development hell, we would very likely know about it for now. However, some signs are there and it's enough to make me uneasy. Dan Houser leaving now could be a sign of problems with the game, plus the fact that it's been already so goddamn long and they're not saying anything about the game despite the fact that we know they're (very likely) working on it, plus that shady article from that jason guy, plus the embarassing PS5 reveal, plus the fact that it's not really justifiable for a gta game to be in development for this long (this could make a whole topic), and a few other things. It's unlikely, but it's something to think about.

 

As an extra point, most games that have this much hype behind them are doomed to disappoint.

I'm worried too, something is not right here

Duke Nukem Forever comes to my mind, when you mentioned development hell

[Kris194]

4 hours ago, EliteGamer_6 said:

many of the younger fanbase would not appreciate the game when all the goofy sh*t does not make an appearance in the game. 

I doubt, that even younger fanbase will miss flying broomstick mk2.

[Badman_]

14 hours ago, José_Sócrates said:

As an extra point, most games that have this much hype behind them are doomed to disappoint.

 

No matter what happens, GTA VI will never live up to the hype. Just like Cyberpunk 2077 and potentially like Half-Life 3 (if it ever gets release).

 

VI will be the sequel to the biggest game of all time (taking about sales, popularity etc.). It is a big, big deal and I'm not surprised it's taking this long. Actually, I think it will probably take even longer to be released. R* will push VI as forward as they possibly can.

[The Tracker]

16 hours ago, José_Sócrates said:

I personally think GTA V was disappointing as a gta game. Although I liked the different direction they went in RDR2, I still noticed that some of the annoying mechanics that I hated the most in GTAV were ported to that game, and some of them were made worse.

 

RDR2 carried some things from GTA V, but they definitely aren't things I would call "mechanics". I wouldn't even say they are that many.

[WXSTER]

GOSH look at rdr2 they definetly wont screw this up its the most hyped game ever they earned billions on gta v they are doing a good game

[Geisterfaust]

I don't think that I will be disappointed, mostly because my expectations are almost non-existent. After almost 10 years of V, any new title will do, the question is for how long am I going to play it. Since I'm definitely ignoring online part this time, longevity will take a hit, but I will definitely only play the game while I enjoy it and not longer. No more grinding and similar stuff. I've played IV from 2008 to mid 2011 and that was SP only, so expecting similar performance from VI no matter how big the map is.

 

After all these years in development, it's easy to be disappointed with the end product mostly because it's easy to accumulate any kind of expectations thanks to the lack of any communication from R* part. Sooner or later they will release an obscure trailer with a fraction of the map shown and go radio silent for another half of year or so. That will definitely ignite more disappointment.

 

Another source of possible disappointment is the fact that no matter how big the map is going to be, it will not improve the longevity of the game linearly. Releasing even record-breaking huge map won't satisfy players for the next 10 years, like a two completely new games with different maps.

 

The big question is, how fast one will be disappointed with VI because the next thing after that may come in next 10 years lol.

[Eminem Jeff]

R* spending so much time on GTA VI and we don't see a single trailer so far...So I believe GTA VI will surprise us.

[fleathemighty]

It won't be a disappointment in terms of graphics, story, mechanics and all that jazz.

 

But I believe it will be a disappointment on its scale. We're never going to see a San Andreas again, with 3 major cities. Because nowadays so much time is needed to detail each and every location that it's nearly impossible to deliver an amazingly large map that's greatly detailed as well. Yeah RDR2 is pretty big but most of the scenery is hills and plains, and its cities are not large by any stretch of the imagination.

[Damar Man]

Looking at the direction that R* aiming, YES it will be a let down

[Rajder]

It will be a dissapointment for people who except Vice City 2.0

[Paper Mario]

It probably will be. 

[AbokommandantPro]

No and yes.

 

It's depending on you. If you have to high expections it will be a disappointment. If you have low expections it's not. 

[DarkDayz]

6 hours ago, AbokommandantPro said:

No and yes.

 

It's depending on you. If you have to high expections it will be a disappointment. If you have low expections it's not. 

 

Well,

• High expectations coupled with idealised sh*t you made up in your head, dissapointed.
• High expectations because of Rockstar's track record, only expecting what they promise. Not dissapointed.

 

A lot of new GTA players this time around from GTA V and GTA Online. Everyone just needs to relax and wait for the marketing drops. Do not idealise in your head so much that you convince yourself it will be in the game. Rockstar won't lie to you like CDPR lied. This is a guarantee as far as I'm concerned based on 20 years of industry changing experiences. So just relax and enjoy the ride and look forward to only what Rockstar promise and let them overdeliver on it as they always do.

 

 

Edited May 9, 2021 by DarkDayz

[The Tracker]

On 5/9/2021 at 10:14 PM, DarkDayz said:

 

Well,

• High expectations coupled with idealised sh*t you made up in your head, dissapointed.
• High expectations because of Rockstar's track record, only expecting what they promise. Not dissapointed.

 

A lot of new GTA players this time around from GTA V and GTA Online. Everyone just needs to relax and wait for the marketing drops. Do not idealise in your head so much that you convince yourself it will be in the game. Rockstar won't lie to you like CDPR lied. This is a guarantee as far as I'm concerned based on 20 years of industry changing experiences. So just relax and enjoy the ride and look forward to only what Rockstar promise and let them overdeliver on it as they always do.

 

 

 

Couldn't have said it better myself. It's fine to have high expectations, just nothing out of the norm or what you're used to in general related to who you're expecting those things from in the first place. GTA VI may not going to be the best game of all time or the "MAGNUS OPUM" of gaming, but it most likely will deliver.

Edited May 11, 2021 by The Tracker

[wise_man]

Overall fans opinion will be perpendicular with how E&E will end up. If it's only graphic enhancement (not an upgrade to RDR2's level), with no new addition to SP, then it's over for most fans.

[kobeni]

On 3/20/2021 at 1:28 PM, José_Sócrates said:

As far as I'm aware, no Benzos, no Dan Houser (it's a very real possibility that the story is not finished yet or that they scrap the story in the future, plus he had a lot of creative input in the games that went beyond the story), no Lazlow, and who knows who else will leave in the future for whatever reason. Normally, when the "OGs" start leaving a game company and the original teams that developed the original games start to dissolve, the next game the company releases tends to either be a massive flop, extremely divisive and generally hated by the original fanbase of the game franchise (or fans of the company itself), or simply not up to the standard set by the previous games. Despite all the topics and comments in this forum saying that dan houser's departure should be alright, that rockstar still has a good team, that we should have faith and similar stuff, this is something that we should really really be worried about . This is real, this is a trend, and there's not a lack of examples from different gaming companies of once great franchises going to sh*t once the original developers left. Rockstar is not special. On to the next point.

 

I personally think GTA V was disappointing as a gta game. Although I liked the different direction they went in RDR2, I still noticed that some of the annoying mechanics that I hated the most in GTAV were ported to that game, and some of them were made worse, so I'm obviously worried about that. This means that, for me personally, the game can be a disappointment.

 

It's a bit of an extension of the first point, but at the same time not really. It's not hard to notice how much rockstar has been changing in these past few years, and it's changing for the worst. They are more interested in making money than releasing quality games. The best example are the online updates. Even an update as ambitious as the cayo perico heist ended up being sh*t. Casino heist sh*t. Updates before those were sh*t. At least they were profitable. The point is that the Rockstar who gave us GTA V is not the same as the one who gave us RDR 2, and definitely not the one who will give us GTA VI.

 

Finally, I'm not sure when the game started development, but it's possible that it started in 2013. Assuming it gets released in 2023, those are 10 years in development.  I actually believe it started development in 2015/2016 because of online, but there's nothing to guarantee that is true, and it is entirely possible that it followed the trend of previous GTAs and started development as soon as GTA V was released in 2013. So, like I wrote, if development started in 2013 and the game gets released in 2023 at the earliest, then GTA VI will be released after at least 10 years of development. Ten years may seem great, it may seem that Rockstar are taking their time with the game to give us the most perfect GTA experience we've all been waiting for, but things aren't always as good as they seem. It's possible for a game to be in development for too long that it fails in quality. It's called development hell and it's something to be worried about. It has happened before with other games, so there is no reason to believe it won't happen again, because like I already wrote, Rockstar is not special. Of course, this is still unlikely to be happening for GTA VI because normally in these situations there is usually a lot of drama related to the game, which hasn't even been announced yet, and the company, and if the game was truly in development hell, we would very likely know about it for now. However, some signs are there and it's enough to make me uneasy. Dan Houser leaving now could be a sign of problems with the game, plus the fact that it's been already so goddamn long and they're not saying anything about the game despite the fact that we know they're (very likely) working on it, plus that shady article from that jason guy, plus the embarassing PS5 reveal, plus the fact that it's not really justifiable for a gta game to be in development for this long (this could make a whole topic), and a few other things. It's unlikely, but it's something to think about.

 

As an extra point, most games that have this much hype behind them are doomed to disappoint.

Couldn't have said it better. Things like that are definitely telltale signs of impending Cyberpunk-tier disasters so while while I partly doubt that RDR2 might be considered the last 'true' Rockstar' game, I think most people are going to be in for a major disappointment when VI actually gets released with the sort of expectations for the single-player and features they have for the game right now. I kind of feel the same way about the Mafia series. Mafia 3 and DE were by no means bad games but there was certainly a dip in quality and detail from 2 if you put the improved combat and driving aside. Makes me sort of worried if a fourth game may be in a similar sort of situation to potentially GTA VI (though if rumors are to be believed Hangar 13 is developing a new fantasy IP for which I am quite excited for).

 

At this point I'm more excited for a new Saints Row game, mostly because I've noticed that Volition in general is a much more stable and transparent company that actually cares for its employees, with very clear and realistic visions and for their games and fan expectations generally aren't as high or ambitious as for GTA 6 (and this was the case even after the failure of Agents of Mayhem!), or I'm just hoping for a mid-to-large sized game developer to take the helm and create a single-player crime-centric open world sandbox of their own that isn't all tech-focused like the Watchdogs games, Cyberpunk or even Online. I think the allure, experimentation and excitement of and for traditional GTA-style open world crime games in general have mostly simmered down since the early 2010s so it would be pretty cool if that sort of feeling was brought back through a really engaging game. It doesn't have to be overly ambitious either, just enough content in there to give me the same sort of fun and engagement as either Vice City, San Andreas, Mafia 2 or the first two Saints Row games. Hell, something as cool as Sleeping Dogs is enough to suffice.

Edited May 10, 2021 by DownInThePMs

[VCPR]

On 5/9/2021 at 10:14 PM, DarkDayz said:

Rockstar won't lie to you like CDPR lied

old Rockstar surely wouldn't lie to consumers, but new Rockstar WILL lie as Zelnick will order

[Just-Chippin]

I will be disappointed if we don’t get any of the following:

 

1. An updated game engine with better physics than V.

 

2. New gameplay features like NPC interaction & disposing of bodies.

 

3. A map with more than one freely traversable land mass.

 

4. Compelling & well written story. 

[Just-Chippin]

On 3/9/2021 at 5:39 AM, Niobium said:

not necessarily.

 

someone installed GTA IV style physics on the PS3 version of GTA V, with no hit to performance.

 

 

So much better than the actual V physics. V’s physics are boring. In IV NPC’s try to stay on their feet like living people. InV they just collapse like rubber sex dolls.

Edited May 12, 2021 by Just-Chippin

[DarkDayz]

23 hours ago, VCPR Official said:

old Rockstar surely wouldn't lie to consumers, but new Rockstar WILL lie as Zelnick will order

 

Here's a bunch of Zelnick quotes where he is quite clearly not the boogeyman you suggest and for the most part just let's Rockstar get on with whatever they want and in the time they want.

 

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“So, Rockstar hasn’t announced any new titles for the market and when there’s an announcement to be made, it will come from Rockstar, so I’ll probably leave you there, and I don’t think you would have expected anything different from me”

 

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"they put out material that they really believe in, that they’re passionate about and that is of the highest possible quality. And that means we’re not on a weekly cadence and we’re not going to be. It means we don’t necessarily know the exact release date. But what we do know is that we will wait for it to be as close to perfect as anything can be"

 

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"But I think the case that you're alluding to reflects the fact that you're always better served to wait for perfection if you can create perfection”

 

The only time Rockstar have ever really 'lied' to consumers was by promising single player DLC for GTA V. But given GTA Online's monumental success shortly after that statement was made, you'd be an idiot for critising them for it. It was a smart decision. Sure I don't like it but I'd be stupid for saying it was a bad move. GTA V has sold 4x more than anything else they have ever made because of the strategy they took.

 

Edited May 13, 2021 by DarkDayz

[VCPR]

17 minutes ago, DarkDayz said:

The only time Rockstar have ever really 'lied' to consumers was by promising single player DLC for GTA V.

but that was old R* tho; GTAO's success just blew into their faces
 

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Zelnick's quotes

It's all just talk; when I see something else than Yet Another GTAO Update then I will believe him (not that will this ever happen, since R* died when Dan Houser exited the company)

[DarkDayz]

50 minutes ago, VCPR Official said:

when I see something else than Yet Another GTAO Update

 

 

[Schwartzxz]

On 3/20/2021 at 8:43 PM, Wolfman_ said:

 

No matter what happens, GTA VI will never live up to the hype

depends who you ask. it may not live up to the hype to a lot of people but a lot of those people expect too much. its kinda similar to what happened with San Andreas and GTA4

[VCPR]

1 hour ago, DarkDayz said:

 

 

that was before 2020

[Fuzzknuckles]

No, it won't, but people will still piss and whine like bitches about it on here because that validates them. 

 

People said GTA V was sh*t, people said GTA Online was sh*t. 

 

There are billions of dollars that prove them wrong. 

[Algonquin Assassin]

11 hours ago, Fuzzknuckles said:

No, it won't, but people will still piss and whine like bitches about it on here because that validates them. 

 

People said GTA V was sh*t, people said GTA Online was sh*t. 

 

There are billions of dollars that prove them wrong. 

 

It really doesn't prove anything because no one questions the amount of money GTA V/GTAO have made. Gamers shouldn't be looking at $$$ figures as proof of quality and/or deflection of disappointment. There are many games I've played that have sold incredibly well yet I've felt personally disappointed by them in one way or another. On the flip side there are games are that didn't do that well financially yet I loved them. You're missing the human/subjective element. 

 

It's kind of hard to tell where GTA VI is going to end up since we know absolutely nothing about it. So if it ends up being 90% GTAO and 10% of a tacked on single player (in a most extreme case) that wont be disappointing as long as it sells like hotcakes?

 

 

Edited May 14, 2021 by MiamiViceCity1986

[DarkDayz]

On 5/13/2021 at 12:42 PM, VCPR Official said:

that was before 2020

 

So, every studio was on it since 2015-2018, around 1500 employees. It's a bit delusional to expect anything now given the fact. If we get to the end of 2022 without hearing anything, then you can worry and moan about Strauss.

 

Edited May 14, 2021 by DarkDayz

[VCPR]

2 minutes ago, DarkDayz said:

If we get to the end of 2022 without hearing anything, then you can worry and moan about Strauss.

or to GTA V EnE release (if story mode won't get any additions)